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On August 19 2011 09:37 Kurumi wrote: JeeJee I understand You like riddles, but could You say something about Navillus? He has the biggest posts in the thread and there are couple of them. I'd like to know what do You think about him. It does seem highly strange and suspicious that in a game full of lurkers, he's gone above and beyond to draw attention to himself... | ||
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On August 19 2011 09:48 JeeJee wrote: Yep, but what else are you gonna do in the beginning? Everything starts from fluff. If fluff continues, it's a different story of course. P.S. would totally appreciate it if you stopped capitalizing 'you'  how so? It would be very easy for scum to abide by the "three post a day" criteria if they wanted to... I just don't think it would be that effective, because just based on the sheer number of new people, and the ratio of scum-to-townie, there are inevitably going to be a lot of townies in the lurker list, and wasting town KPs on them would only make it easier for the scum... | ||
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On August 19 2011 12:00 JeeJee wrote: What does this have to do with what I asked you? I asked you why you think navi's actions are highly strange and suspicious? And there shouldn't be "inevitably .. a lot of townies in the lurker list", why would there be? Are you going to lurk? And why did you call this game full of lurkers? Wtf this post just raised so many questions I said in my previous post how having us waste KPs on lurkers would further scum agenda, and thats why I think the actions seem suspicious, especially considering that we know there are a lot of new players here, and scum do too. New players generally have more a tendency to lurk, or become inactive, and thus, if we put together a lurker list, there WILL be a fairly large amount of people on it. This is especially true if they're townies or blues, as if they're mafia they will try their hardest to stay OFF that list... I think its NOT a good idea to just declare that everyone start killing off lurkers, unless there is actually a REASON to kill them, not just because they're lurking. Its a double-edged sword for sure, it does make the cultists come out and have to participate, which might reveal them, but it also runs the risk of killing a lot of townies... If we want to put together a lurker list, by all means do it, I just hope we exercise a little bit of restraint and use the kills given good reasons, since we don't want to make this EASIER for the mafia | ||
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On August 20 2011 01:07 Sevryn wrote: Nice stealth vote ray Your post seemed like obvious scum to me, the scummiest post so far, and I will most likely be away for the rest of the day so I put in a vote against you... I'll check back later and see if I have to change it, but I doubt if I will :p | ||
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I'm hesitant on Palmar just because he's been creating a far from ideal first Day in here... He contributed the main talking point sure, but his argument for that talking point was very weak... However, Dropbear has definitely acted a bit suspicious and got overly defensive, and the mayor idea seems scummy because he recommended himself for it right off the bat... Those 3 seem like the major suspects this first day... I think (at least) ONE of Palmar or DropBear is definitely a scum, and if we start nearing a majority on either of them I will switch my vote from Sevryn and get him at a later date... I am most definitely voting for one of those 3 though | ||
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While Xtfftc has definitely acted suspiciously, I see it as more suspicious that you (and Palmar, to a degree) were the two who along with Sevryn caused the pressure-vote issue at the start of the game anyway, and that you (and Palmar, to a degree  ) are working so hard to get attention away from Sevryn and on to other people.At this point, I would expect scum to just leave Sev to defend himself since they wouldnt want to get caught defending him, and try to either set-up a subsequent lynch away from them, or try to redirect attention away from him entirely. Town right now loses NOTHING by lynching Sev. If he flips red, we immediately know who to go after next, i.e. the people defending him, or the people trying to get someone else lynched first. If he flips green, we can target the ones who have most aggressively tried to get him lynched. Its a win-win situation. | ||
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On August 21 2011 05:13 Sevryn wrote: Rayzorflash im calling you out. Most of his posts before I become the lynch target are speculation on what mafia would or would not want and i view this is as slightly scummy. Then he ninja votes on me and when called out My stealth vote for you was what an actual pressure vote looks like. All of a sudden, the pressure on you made you get all defensive and even pull your vote off DropBear. I'd say it was quite successful in exposing scummy behavior. On August 21 2011 05:13 Sevryn wrote: Yes you do lose something you lose a townie when i flip green and going after the people who most aggressively tried to get me lynched is all WIFOM. We lose a townie who has, for the entire first day contributed absolutely nothing towards discussion except a really scummy first accusation, and since then has just focused on defending himself? I don't think that's losing too much. (OOC: What does WIFOM mean??) On August 21 2011 05:37 xtfftc wrote: To be fair, I sort of agree with this. Kudos to Rayzor for pointing out supersoft's witchhunt but this statement was ridiculous. Mafia is unlikely to go so aggressively against a townie and by encouraging us to go after Sevryn's most vicious accusers in case he is innocent, he might secure another town lynch. Especially considering that Sevryn did get himself into a mess of his own... It's not like someone fabricated it all. So, in case Sevryn turns out to be a townie after the lynch, Rayzor is a good lead, and if Sevryn is indeed mafia, Rayzor is probably clean. Sure, I'll gladly take the fall if Sev proves to be green, but I don't think there was anything scummy at all about my post. I think it would be good leads to go after anyone aggressively pushing for Sev if he's green, and I know i'm included in that list :S. | ||
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Anyways, as I said earlier, I fully expect to be on top of the most suspected list since Sev came up green, but I do wanna look at how exactly this wave of bandwagoning against me started... Just to be clear: - Jackal is against me because he thinks that, since I'm a new player, for me to be participating at all means I'm being coached, instead of meaning that I may actually have researched the game and have a sense of how to play?? - Sevryn was against me because I was making the strongest case against him, this one at least I understand... - Palmar is against me... just because, i guess?? - Curu is against me for planning where to point the finger after the first day, without realizing that I actually said that the finger would be pointed at ME after the first day?? - And as far as I can see, everyone else just sort of climbed on top there?? I don't think any of these reasons is really strong enough to lynch me over Sev based on the evidence presented so far, yet you guys nearly did it... I must admit, I'm very surprised... (Also, DropBear, filter Sev's posts, or check the voting thread... My stealth vote came before he pulled his vote off... It was definitely a pressure vote, though I don't know if it was done perfectly) Also, saw somewhere in there that xtfftc asked who else would be on my list of people who have aggressively attacked Sev... it would be: - Myself - Nard - Munk-e - Mig | ||
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[QUOTE]On August 21 2011 10:22 Foolishness wrote: [QUOTE]On August 21 2011 06:02 RayzorFlash wrote: Thanks, you took your time ^^ Care to elaborate a bit on your list? If you are town, you should be happy to share your thoughts with us; if you are mafia, you have to do it anyway to ease the suspicion from your persona.[/QUOTE] Took time coz I wasnt at home, sorry  ...Myself: I think theres a very solid case against me, but what scum would totally put themselves out there like this, and have NOBODY else defending him except for himself??? I don't think that behavior fits scum... Maybe a very noob town player, which I am, but if I was scum I'd be more guarded or protected, dont you think? Nard: Supersoft, thanks for pointing out that post by Nard, I totally missed it... I wouldn't put him on the list after seeing that. I just saw his first post in the thread where he put Sev at the top of a list of people he suspected the most... Sorry for the mistake Munk-e: He has one meaningful post this entire game, and that one was aggressively against Sev, and then he just vanished. He was also one of those who voted Sev at the start and didn't bother coming back to change his vote to me. Mig: He was really aggressive against Sev at the start, and once his vote was in, he started setting up the next lynch on Chaos. He also was one of those who didn't switch to me when everyone else did, sticking with Sev from start (he was actually one of the first after Curu and Me to vote for Sev) | ||
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On August 23 2011 00:38 wherebugsgo wrote: Now, in light of JeeJee's hit we have to reconsider things a little. JeeJee was relatively inactive day 1, so mafia must've thought he was a blue. QS7 was probably targeted because he's a vet (correct me if I'm wrong) and he had some good analysis that I suggest you guys look at as well. QuickSilver said that this was his first game, but he did contribute a lot while he was here, and mafia must've thought he was really dangerous... I wantto call out a couple of people... Munk-E, you still hasnt posted anything since having a really aggressive attack against Sev On August 20 2011 11:18 Munk-E wrote: Hi guys, sorry, I've been busy today. Personally, I think as of now Sevryn is our best target. I mean just look at this! Now in my (very small) experience in this game, there is usually someone in each game who makes a post that appears very scummy, to the point you would think that scum wouldn't be dumb enough to post that. They always end up being scum. This is exactly the type of post, it's so obviously an attempt to blend in. He assumed a bandwagon would start, and wanted to get in early to avoid being called a band-wagoner. He later tries to completely backpedal after being asked about it by saying stuff like this and this He just tries to bandwagon in his first post, and spends the rest of his posts trying to retract that and explain why he did that. I think that he is by far the scummiest. ##vote Sevryn That is the ONLY post you have this entire game of any meaning, and I'd like you to contribute something... What do you think of the names being put up so far today... What do you think of me... something, ANYTHING Another person i'd like to call out is hiro protagonist... All your posts so far in the game have been either little one-line questions to get peoples opinions without showing your own at all, or they've been defending Palmar... Also, the fact that you actually acknowledged quicksilver as a threat is pretty damning: On August 19 2011 13:54 hiro protagonist wrote: QuickSilver7 gets my vote for best opening post. On August 20 2011 17:05 hiro protagonist wrote: Also, Im gonna say it again: QuickSilver7's posts are fucking awesome. I dont care if he thinks Im scummy. It also seemed to me that you were trying really hard to look like you were contributing when people started switching from Sev to me, without actually contributing anything the rest of the game except for one-line questions. We don't know what your opinion is on anything, and everytime someone asks you a question, you just pop right back with another question instead of actually answering it. As of right now, I'm putting my vote on you until you contribute something useful, like a reason to not vote you... ##vote Hiro Protagonist | ||
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On August 23 2011 00:58 RayzorFlash wrote: Another person i'd like to call out is hiro protagonist... All your posts so far in the game have been either little one-line questions to get peoples opinions without showing your own at all, or they've been defending Palmar... Also, the fact that you actually acknowledged quicksilver as a threat is pretty damning: It also seemed to me that you were trying really hard to look like you were contributing when people started switching from Sev to me, without actually contributing anything the rest of the game except for one-line questions. We don't know what your opinion is on anything, and everytime someone asks you a question, you just pop right back with another question instead of actually answering it. As of right now, I'm putting my vote on you until you contribute something useful, like a reason to not vote you... ##vote Hiro Protagonist On August 23 2011 02:25 Jackal58 wrote: RayzorFlash just made a nice ninja vote on Hiro. Wait what??? :S | ||
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On August 23 2011 03:52 supersoft wrote: funny how xtfftc, vain and rayzorflash defend each other ;-) When have I defended anyone this entire game?? Please stop putting words in my mouth... | ||
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On August 23 2011 04:12 hiro protagonist wrote: @rayzor: Im sorry, what question do you want me to answer? you seem to think I need to defend my actions. I dont. Kk, heres some clear questions: Hiro, what do you think of xtfftc? Why did you choose to vote for him? I want some opinions on who you think is scummy and who you think isnt... You've been wayyy too guarded this entire game, and have avoided saying anything about your opinions at all. Your reasons for voting so far (spoilered due to length): + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2011 03:58 hiro protagonist wrote: Voting Sevryn for now, as a no lynch is bad. On August 21 2011 07:54 hiro protagonist wrote: I would be down with lynching RayzorFlash On August 21 2011 08:53 hiro protagonist wrote: Sorry Gman. lets vote RayzorFlash everyone! On August 21 2011 10:04 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok people, heres the deal: I want to switch to razor. others do to, but if you make the switch you must promise to stay around till the dead line in order to guarantee a lynch. if by 15 min. till the deadline and we dont have enough votes we all switch back to Sev. cool? Say you switch, and there is not enough to make a lynch happen, but you dont switch back to Sev, the consequences will be dire ##Vote: RazorFlash On August 21 2011 10:50 hiro protagonist wrote: looks like this wont work :/ It was worth a try, but not enough people that where here wanted to switch. Im going back to Sev, everyone that switched needs to as well gogogo! ##Unvote ##Vote Sevryn On August 23 2011 04:12 hiro protagonist wrote: I am so down for lynching xtfftc today. ##Vote: xtfftc Please stop this bullshit of voting without a reason, this is almost as bad as "stealth voting" and "ninja voting", IMO... Give a reason for why your votes are deliberately ambiguous | ||
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On August 23 2011 06:25 hiro protagonist wrote: KK, my turn! what do you think of xtfftc? what about Mig? Thanks for the quality post... No regrets about keeping vote on you now... Xtfftc: I'm unsure... Some of his posts seem really scummy, but theres no obvious tell that makes me sure about him Mig: Leaning towards scummy... He had a few posts very aggressively against Sev, and then when it seemed secure that Sev was gonna be voted he switched to Chaoser based purely on meta in what would be a good setup by mafia for two mis-lynches | ||
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I have no problem with lynching either Hiro or Xtfftc, so long as its not a no-lynch... I'll try to check back and change my vote before the deadline, its on Hiro right now... Go back and read some of my earlier posts about why I think Hiro's been acting scummy if you need more reasons to vote for him | ||
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On August 24 2011 10:03 xtfftc wrote: Also hope Rayzor's phone didn't run out of battery. I swapped from my phone to my iPad, so much easier to type, and a lot more battery, no worries now :p | ||
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Ohai InserT_FreQ! | ||
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His posts, and not promoting an ideal town, while definitely scummy, do seem to have a lot of "frustrated town" to them... I'd like to try following his lead once and seeing what that gets us I still haven't reread the whole thread yet, hopefully will have some time to do it tonight and post some analysis tomorrow | ||
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So far, I like Mig as a lynch since he only started contributing after he was already a suspect, seemingly content to lurk if allowed to... I also think Palmar being town means we should consider his analysis a bit deeper, and would not mind a BrownBear lynch either | ||
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So far, the only things I've said I dont know very well about the game are acronyms, because i skipped trying to look up what they meant while reading previous games. I am not being coached at all, and if I were a scum being coached, I probably have seemed less scummy. Also, if I was scum, I wouldnt have minded ANY townie getting lynched the first two days. instead, i've stuck with keeping my votes on the two people who seem scummiest to me. I think a Mig lynch.is the best idea for today, and definitely does seem scummy, especially the way he came back only to defend himself and draw attention away from himself and the emotional appeal. Also, a Mig lynch would give us a lot of information about a lot of people (brownbear, foolishness, xtfftc, and also some of you guys heavily going after him now) and while I dont advocate lynching for info, the fact that we can get a lot of info from voting Mig will be good ##Vote: Mig | ||
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Liquidite- Welcome to TL Mafia XLIV you are Aron, the local butcher, you are fond of blood and chopping up things, especially things that were recently living, despite that rather... creepy, trait the people of Liquidia are *your* people, and neither God or the Devil is going to stop you from trying to protect them, you have no powers, your glinting knives are powerless against dark magic, but you still hold your vote, that alone will be enough for you to defeat the mafia Now, also, keep in mind that I am a new player, and this is my first game, and (contrary to popular belief) i havent been getting coached... The only research I actually did before staring was read the Analysis post, as well as the beginners guide, and an older Mafia game (XLiii) The game started with me analyzing peoples posts, and I immediately put myself out was rather vocally against the "lurkerlist" idea as I felt that lynches should be reserved for scum reads, as opposed to blindly lynching lurkers. Also, I had a few rather selfish reasons because I knew I would be busy for this week, and might have trouble posting enough myself (vacationing), though at that point, I wasnt sure if i'd even survive till now :p Then Sevryn posted, and his post immediately felt really scummy to me. I thought I would pressurevote him, but I didnt know that it was proper etiquette to post before voting, and I screwed that up, which gave people a really scummy read, and has since then been thrown around as basically the only reason to lynch me. That was my first vote in any mafia game ever, and I wish I could have it back, lol Since then, I basically stuck with my Sevryn vote because I thought he was the scummiest, I had my doubts, but the only other sorta scummy reads I had at that point were xtfftc and hiro. I then found myself very nearly lynched, and tried a bit to defend myself, but instead just chose to move on and present whom I thought seemed the scummiest to me, which was Hiro, and my reasons were outlined in a post i made earlier... As results show, I was wrong again, but I wasnt the only one with that read, and hiro did nothing to make me change his vote... I never ASKED for anyone to defend me, and I dont know why Mig defended me, maybe it was to set up a red herring for town to trail off on if he got lynched, which he was close to, and ensure a town mislynch... Instead of explaining my past moves further, I'll just move on to the future I still think xtfftc is suspicious, but I think Brownbear, Nard, and Kurumi seem to also be Raising eyebrows... I doubt if I'll be online much tomorrow (going to Reading Music Festival, yes I'm in London vacationing, wont use it as an excuse for lack of activity, I knew about it from befor) but will try to keep active in here at least a little bit... Again, sorry to town for providing a scummy read due to a misunderstanding of mafia etiquette -_- | ||
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So far, seems like Nard is the leading candidate, and one of either vain or bugs is scum. I think Nard will be the best pick because foolishness clearly knew for SURE that he was scum. Therecan still be doubts about chaosers claim sinceit COULD be mafia trying to cause a mislynch especially based on the timing that he revealed himself. It seemed like prime time for scum to tey and draw attention away from nard so they get another night of 3 KP which would give us nearly no room for error... Theres a way to be sure about it though, if chaoser survives the next night, we know he is scum and lynch him for trying to mislead us. If he doesnt, we know he was right and lynch Vain... So for tonight, ##Vote: Nard | ||
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I'm also inclined to think Pyo and Navillus are scum, Pyo because of the horribly bad claim, and Navillus because of how hard he's been lurking despite being the one to propose the lurker list in the first place Would be up to vote for either Pyo, Nav, or Chaoser today, based on who's closer to majority. For now that would be ##Vote: Pyo | ||
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The most obvious scum behavior has been from Pyo so far, hence my vote | ||
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WTF xt, I havent thought you were scummy since any point after day 2, but this makes me reconsider it | ||
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On September 05 2011 13:27 Pyo wrote: If he hadn't the game would be over if mafia used both their KP... 3 modkills means we're in LyLo so we can't afford to lynch me now - we also can't afford to no lynch. Thats only if you arent scum, lol. | ||
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If chaoser doesnt die tonight, I stand entirely by my stance and fully want to see him lynched and flip red.... If he does die tonight, I'll analyze after the post and see who I'll vote for, lol | ||
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What i'm pulling is basically saying "GG", lol... WP Mafia team of chaoser, supersoft, and the last person I don't know, either Kurumi or Erandorr | ||
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I do see what you mean about my post being scummy, but that doesn't change the fact that I still think your actions have been ridiculously suspicious and I genuinely believe you're scum. I guess I could've worded it better It also doesnt change the fact that this game's over, mostly because of the modkills, lol. | ||
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I guess I'll put my vote on whoever seems scummiest to me instead of myself, QQ, lol I think the scumteam is Chaoser, Supersoft, and one of either Pyo or Kurumi, with the other one being the traitor... ##Unvote RayzorFlash ##Vote: Chaoser | ||
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Now think, if I'm town, mafia doesnt need to do anything at ALL this entire day, they just sit back, watch me get lynched, toss votes on me as inconspicuously as possible, and watch as the game ends. Thats what I'm currently seeing... We're single-minded in lynching me because of the buildup since the first day when I became a candidate just out of sheer hysteria and picking someone (ANYONE) except for Sevryn, and mafia can just sit back and watch as they win. I self-voted to see which mafia would vote for me in a passing-by manner in order to tip the scales and seal the win for them once they saw that I was close to getting a majority, and the most suspicious one of those so far was Kurumi... I believe Kurumi to be scum now, after being suspicious of him for a while actually, because the entire game he's been basically a loose cannon, randomly picking and choosing every possible town person, and now all of a sudden jumping on me for the first time the whole game, saying i'm the most important candidate, providing the key vote that pushes the majority (the 4th vote)... I seriously think Erandorr and Curu are town, and chaoser and Kuru are definitely scum... I was seriously sold on supersoft, but I went through his posts in depth right now and am a lot less sure about it now, and same goes for Pyo... I'd be up for lynching either Chaoser or Kurumi, and I think those are the only scum we're likely to get a majority on today... Keeping vote on Chaoser right now, but will willingly switch to Kuru if theres a majority there... | ||
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My last call on who was scum: Chaoser, Supersoft, Kurumi Well played town, we woulda won if not for the modkills >_< | ||
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Sorry for seeming scummier than I was, XD... Wasn't being coached, but learnt a lot from the game, look forward to playing more in the future :D | ||
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