EPTTL Mafia XLIV
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On August 19 2011 07:45 Curu wrote: Being careful not to talk too much is the mark of someone who has guilt on their mind. Townies have nothing to hide and so should never be afraid to talk as long as it isn't stupid useless stuff spamming up the thread. Well a lot of the players on TL are arrogant and aggressive... Not exactly the most encouraging atmosphere for new players to share their thoughts. But to anyone who might feel intimidated or hesitant to post... Don't. You have nothing to lose \;D/ And you'll actually be helping town. So post post. On that note, how do you feel about Lynch All Lurkers Curu? | ||
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On August 19 2011 05:27 Curu wrote: So, what thought process goes on in your head when you decide to claim Vanilla Townie with your first post? /discussion | ||
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As for my answer, I didn't think it required more explanation. I said it to start some discussion. It was quite a hot topic in AA and ended up luring out some scum. I also feel the general consensus on TL about VT claims is a little silly, so it could have created some discussion. Apparently no one was keen though. | ||
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##Vote Sevryn. Hurray for deadlines at 4am. I'll catch up tomorrow and shit. Sorry. | ||
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I have started catching up on the thread. It's a bitch. I didn't read the thread at all this weekend, which kind of fucked me over. If I'm not caught up tomorrow I'll ask for a replacement, because I don't want to be useless dead weight in the town. I don't know who the current lynch candidates are, but based on where I'm up to, xttcxtcttcxtcc would be there hopefully. Sorry again :< | ||
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Mig, Foolishness and Rayzor are clearly scum buddies. | ||
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On August 24 2011 05:08 Erandorr wrote: has Lucidity asked for replacement already? Nope. I'm on page 82 now. No way I'm being replaced after reading 50 pages in the last 2 days. | ||
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My first impulse was to lynch him immediately. So I can see where hiro came from. After thinking about it more I still think DB is the best lynch. Therefore hiro wasn't scummy for proposing that lynch in my opinion as has been suggested by most. Then he posts this: On August 24 2011 05:08 hiro protagonist wrote: Wow, Ok, no one likes that idea. does everyone think Im stupid? ##Unvote: DropBear Im just gonna sheep whoever is the highest vote is by the end of the day. And herp derp he must be scum. I thought, "He probably thought his scumbuddy DB was outted with the lies and will definitely die. Better get in there early for some town cred. Oh they don't want to lynch him, let me get off this shit ASAP." He really did drop it fast. And then he removes future accountability by saying he's just going to sheep. scummy scum scum post. In his later posts he still maintains that he thinks DB is scum, but he shows no conviction in trying to push it. I don't know what to make of that. Now he's on to new random targets... Atm I think DB is the scummiest by FAR. Is there really no way he is getting lynched tonight? 2nd is xtfcfcfcfc. DB's actions have made me less suspicious of Mig. But as we don't know DB's alignment for sure yet, Mig's gameplay so far still leaves him pretty scummy. He literally only started playing when he was the leading candidate for the lynch. I didn't consider hiro until recently. I would rather lynch xtffcfcfc before hiro. Is there a vote count up somewhere? Who are realistic options? I am going to make my vote soon and then go to bed (2am here) so I wont be able to switch to ensure a lynch near deadline. Seriously though, how can anyone believe DB's claim even for a second? | ||
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On August 24 2011 08:44 Palmar wrote: actually, I was going to bed, I'm going to write a case on chaos13. please take the time to read his posts through. Let's not fuck this up again, let's lynch chaos13. What in the world. Oh my. 2 hours before deadline and most of EU asleep? NICE PLAN? Also when I wrote my post we were still on 65. Way to spam. | ||
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This would make the second day in a row that Palmar has created chaos under the guise of pro-town actions. Throughout the thread Palmar and hiro also mention how they think the other is town. hiro immediately jumps on the chaos wagon when palmar suggests it. They certainly seem to be linked. I'd be down with a hiro lynch now. Especially after that last post. | ||
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And. I'm off to bed so I can't change my vote. Please don't let them no lynch. | ||
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And flavour text hiro. You should know better. Fucking. | ||
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I just scanned Mig's posts again. I think they're both scum. Mig's reaction to DB's claim doesn't make sense to me. I don't think we can go wrong with the lynch tonight. hiro's Vet claim wasn't accompanied by flavour text, which means it was a last ditch effort to stay alive and he didn't have time to ask GM for the flavour in advance. Gnite. | ||
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On August 24 2011 18:03 supersoft wrote: I don't understand how this could happen. How could I be the only one who didn't buy this hirolynch...? Seriously, not all of you can be scum. I think we have one major problem here: People don't think by themselves. But I don't understand why... it's so easy to filter someone, it's so easy to look at the voting behavior... Please shoot nard, xtfftc or chaos13 tonight. Your reluctance to vote for hiro after his fake claim absolutely screams scum to me. You knew he was innocent when all evidence pointed to the contrary. Only scum know that. You were more keen on a mislynch than voting hiro... Explain this please: On August 24 2011 10:52 supersoft wrote: the only reason why i would vote him, is to avoid endless discussions about him and myself tomorrow. That's the only reason. On August 24 2011 10:57 supersoft wrote: it's so dumb. I want someone else to do it. It's probably necessary :-( Can't believe he was green though -.- | ||
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On August 24 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote: yah, it's because you don't think, or you're scum. And for some reason no one listens to a word I say. You believed hiro's Vet claim. I don't think your judgment this game is that great. Trying to introduce chaos13 as the new lynch candidate 2 hours before deadline was also a blunder. If anyone is not thinking, it is you. Based on the previous game I played with you I expected more from you... That's worrying me. | ||
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On August 24 2011 19:21 supersoft wrote: stop it. That's not even funny anymore. People like you ruined this game. I tried to save townies two times in a row. Also I pushed for lynching scum two times in a row. Sadly you preferred to follow the scumteam. Instead of randomly raging, please explain the reasoning behind the posts I quoted. | ||
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On August 24 2011 19:28 supersoft wrote: You're a joke. If you expect something from palmar, you have to give him the chance to prove himself. Consequently you have to vote for his targets. You were wrong two times now. How can you claim that palmars judgement isn't that great, while your judgement isn't existing. One additional word to your accusations towards me: You didn't see that hiro was green, because you're just not smart enough. This is nothing personal or whatever, but if you don't see that the wagon on hero came out of the nowhere and builded up exceptionally fast, with noone reasoning his decision, I can't help you. Like I've explained before, I did not pay attention to the thread this weekend. I logged on and voted to make sure there was a lynch. I had no idea what the merits of the lynch was. It's difficult to judge what I would have done though, because when I started reading the thread I already knew Sevryn was green. I'd like to think that I would have tried to move the vote off of Sevryn, but I can't say. I'm liking your OMGUS/Palmar impression too btw. Too bad you can't vote? Now try explaining the posts I quoted instead of attacking my intelligence? | ||
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On August 24 2011 19:44 supersoft wrote: no. NO. You can't be serious! You weren't there and didn't read the thread, but you judge me based on my last two or three posts? Ragepost incoming. I better quit TL.net now, because I might not be allowed to ever visit this site again if I stay now. Yes I was afk the weekend. I have since read every post in this thread. Why would you rage? Now answer my question about the posts I quoted. O M G. On August 24 2011 19:45 supersoft wrote: hahahahaha, I will remind you of this post at the end of the game. He's right you know. You keep talking about how you've been right, but you don't explain yourself. All we have is this: On August 24 2011 05:30 supersoft wrote: i believe hero is innocent and mafia is superhappy because they save xtfftc today... at least i am schocked how fast that hiro bandwagon started out of the nowhere... That's ridiculous. After hiro fake claims and admits that he fake claimed you're still convinced he's a townie. Why? EXPLAIN THE TWO POSTS I QUOTED O M G! | ||
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On August 24 2011 19:49 supersoft wrote: :-( you're right. We can't blame them if they don't understand us... You're right, it's up to us to convince them. I just overestimated them, and I am mad at myself for letting a situation like this happen. Why are you copying Palmar so hard? | ||
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The principle of parsimony plix :< | ||
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On August 27 2011 01:46 chaoser wrote: What bullshit, mig is obviously lying. He claims tracker, says he's got breadcrumbs but if you look, all of them are from the PREVIOUS DAY. Basically he's mafia, got scared cause he was close to lynch until some of this mafia friends fucked with the lynch yesterday so he thought up a fake claim plan over the night to save his ass.Lynch him please! We've gone three days without lynching him and letting him get away, don't let him get away again! I don't like this. Those breadcrumbs were from the previous day in real time, but they were still after Night 2 in game time. He wasn't a candidate on Day 1 either as you are claiming. Basically this post is completely useless. The vote switching that took place was also driven by two fake claiming townies imo. Not by scum. BB voting 5th even... I have just read today's posts and the more I read the less sure I became of Mig's alignment. I don't feel comfortable lynching him over BrownBear, especially after that claim. If we leave Mig alone we force scum to deal with him instead. In addition to this, actually going for chaos13 today would yield us 1 Mafia if he flips green. chaos13 has claimed VT, so Mig is doomed if he lied. 1 scum for 1 green is a pretty decent trade. chaos13 isn't a bad lynch to begin with, so if we're going to deal with the Mig/chaos13 situation I think we should lynch chaos13 first. If we're going for who is scummiest, I'd say that would be BrownBear. I feel like people have been tunneling Mig today. While reading wherebugsgo's analysis on Mig I didn't really agree with anything in it, it was pure tunneling/scum painting. Basically every action, whether townie or null was turned in to some elaborate plan as a scuMig. I've also done this before with Mig when he was Town, because I respected him as a player, but it turns out my elaborate paranoid theories were wrong. I'm trying to be less paranoid now. In addition to this Palmar was very sure that BB was scum and Mig was town. I respect Palmar as a player and thus this does influence my opinion quite a bit. I think the best course of action would be to lynch BB today. (Go read Foolishness' case again. Although I don't really agree with the Mig connection...) Leave Mig and chaos13 until tomorrow. The night actions should give us more information to work with. Even if you believe that Mig and BB are equally scummy, Mig's claim should immediately put him lower on the priority list than BB. If Mig was lying he can still be dealt with later. | ||
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On August 26 2011 22:40 Mig wrote: Just kill chaos after I flip. I have done my part. Actually that's not a town Mig post at all :/ | ||
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I'll put my vote on the leading candidate before I go to bed, but for now I'd still like to try and get a BB lynch going. Why is everyone AFK? | ||
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supersoft, don't think i've forgotten about you. I'm coming for you son. | ||
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(Sorry for the double post of one liners) | ||
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On August 27 2011 07:09 Foolishness wrote: If they have a vigi they might be able to end the game a little sooner then we all anticipate If they have a vigi it would be Kurumi. Why would they delay their KP if they can't miss? (Now I really feel like a spammer) | ||
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On August 27 2011 08:38 chaoser wrote: Go read the posts against him earlier in the day, then go read my first post against him and a few of my followups. Finally read some of foolishness' posts against him. There's tons of stuff out there. A quick summary of why Mig > BB would be great thanks. | ||
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On August 27 2011 13:26 iGrok wrote: @WBG: You still think I'm mafia? After I started the vote for Mig, shot down attempts to split votes between Mig and BB, and... well I haven't told you why Kurumi is scum yet. I've got to think about when to release that, I'm not sure if it'd be better far in advance or right before daypost. If you were trying to save your skin as a townie by only releasing info 1 minute before deadline I think you've screwed it up. You've painted a huge target on your back by promising to prove that Kurumi is scum, so the timing of your information doesn't matter anymore I think. If you're town you already killed yourself by implying that you're blue. On August 27 2011 17:34 supersoft wrote: nard and lucidity are extremly suspicious for either not reading the thread or - what I believe - trying to peel votes of Mig to get a nolynch. (ofc lucidity switched later on and nard promised to be there to switch if necessary) ________ further similarities amongst these people: Noone of them voted RayzorFlash at day1; Noone of them voted either mig or xtfftc at day2. thoughts on BB he's probably scum, too. my statement at the end of the day was supposed to end the discussion and make sure, mig dies. I was extremely aftraid, that our doubts lead us to something stupid :D (right......) Could you explain why you say I haven't read the thread? Or how I was pushing for a no lynch? Also, I couldn't vote for any of those candidates because I wasn't there. Stop using my early afk'ness as a reason to push motives that don't exist. Also, I'm down with a RayzorFlash --> scumatlarge (or the other way around) lynch. If iGrok's information on Kurumi turns out to be good then I believe supersoft is almost certainly scum as well. I'll post my reasoning later. | ||
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On August 27 2011 09:56 Vain wrote: Fuuuuuuuuuuu, i almost forgot this thing. yeah, Mig needs to be lynched and then BB i hope i'm right now:\ scummiest line in history of mafia Vote: Mig His vote didn't matter at all, yet he's worried about being right with his vote. Right-o. Scum always seem to throw in one of those "i hope i'm right" posts. You'd think they'd know to resist it by now. | ||
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I'll assume that you think I didn't read the thread, because I thought BB was a better lynch candidate? Here's the situation as I saw it: Mig and BB were both considered the best scum candidates by town and they were pretty much equally scummy. Mig then claimed blue. In this scenario I'd think the safer lynch would be BB. No one else agreed with me except (insert name). I couldn't see why people still thought Mig was the better lynch so I asked repeatedly. But no one in this town ever answers any fucking thing properly. If you think I was trying to force a no lynch by suggesting a swap to BB 7 hours before deadline then your logic is seriously messed up. | ||
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On August 28 2011 06:38 Kurumi wrote: Paladin - Welcome to tl mafia XLIV You are Apael the Smiting Light, You are a relatively young paladin, having only been fighting the dead and the deamons for a handful of years, still those years have made you very intolerant of injustice and evil and you have sworn to purge all traces of the evil cult from this town. You earned your title when facing the dread lich, Nericho the Scourge deep in the crypts of Agramar, you smote him down using the sacred light that only a true paladin can summon. You have been sent by the high inquisitor to keep the cult from securing the artifact, to help you he equipped you with the sacred throwing knife of Saint Cuberth. Any night starting after night 1 You may hurl the knife at any player, killing them (barring special protection). if Your hit overlaps with the mafia your hit will be refunded. porkchop sandwiches Why did you write that yourself Kurumi? | ||
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Everyone seems to have ignored this, but Kurumi basically dug his grave here. This flavour text wasn't written by GM. I have no idea why he wouldn't wait for GM to just write it for him, perhaps he was getting a little nervous, because he was taking too long. But that was written by Kurumi. He is the only person who writes "You" with a capital letter mid sentence. He hasn't responded to me yet either so.... Kurumi is scum. nard is scum. vain is scum. BrownBear is scum. supersoft is scum. Got this. also FUCK ARSENE FUCK YOU YOU COCK CRAVING PAEDOPHILE. | ||
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Kurumi used you in his plan to prove his viginess. He backed out at the last minute, because you're his scum buddy? You've also soft defended Kurumi a few times. You defended BB with no reasoning behind it. "He's 100% innocent". You even tried to use Foolishness' death now to prove BB's innocence. That's just desperate. You were completely sure about Sevryn and hiro's alignment. When they were in fact the scummiest people on earth. I just read all your posts again and you went from "lol yeah Sevryn is scummy" to "ZOMG HE'S THE MOST TOWN OF TOWN" with no reasoning explaining why. You thought hiro was 100% town even after he said we should lynch him, then he claimed Vet, then he admitted that he fake claimed ... You then wanted _someone else_ to hammer him. You would rather NO LYNCH than lynch hiro. There was no reason for you to be so sure of yourself. Even worse is that you're trying to paint people as scummy for voting for these 2 and yourself as a genius for knowing their true alignment. They were good candidates at the time. You haven't provided any reasons why they weren't. You are way too concerned with appearances (zomg I was right scum was wrong), even wanting to no lynch to maintain it. As Palmar said many times in this thread, you shouldn't be looking at what, but at how. Yes you got those first two lynches right, but how did you do it? Definitely not by analysis. But you have also been accusing nard and vain all game long, who are now on the chopping block for scummy play AND blue roles catching them. You've also been pushing xtffc, who I personally find scummy as well. So you've basically been playing like scum, but with some good targets thrown in there. It's confusing me at the moment. Therefore, I would like to see nard, Kurumi and scumatlarge flip before we consider you. | ||
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On August 29 2011 03:46 wherebugsgo wrote: Bumatlarge is SCREAMING framer to me. Kill him tomorrow. Vain is likely to be innocent. Today we kill nard. After bum we consider pyo and Rayzor. #5 I'm still working on...lol. Some analysis to come soon when I'm back on my computer. Hello there. Care to explain why? | ||
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Scum. On August 29 2011 04:21 supersoft wrote: 1. I wanted to make sure nothing stupid happens 2. yeah i didn't do that. I wanted to know whether foolishness had checked him or not, because he posted this huge bearhuntpost. And yes, I still believe Kurumi is innocent. And just for the record: I accused Nard, Rayzor, xtfftc, vain and you. Reason, you didn't vote for Rayzor day1 and you didn't vote on mig or xtfftc day2 Some of you even didn't vote mig at day3. Thats my reason, short and convincing. At least in my eyes. You wanted to make sure that nothing silly happens so you make ridiculous claims? And there's no reason Foolishness wouldn't have mentioned BB if he had seen him at night. For the last time, I wasn't even here at the Sevryn/Rayzor saga and I only caught up with the thread after DB's claims - aka when Mig and xtffc were basically out of the question. You keep looking at WHAT instead of HOW. Who people vote for isn't the most important thing. WHY they vote for them is. Simply voting Sevryn and (more so) hiro isn't scummy by itself. If you can't get this in your skull then I'll just have to accept that you're Mafia and your whole game plan centered around this town cred bullshit with perma being right. | ||
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I've had this bad gut feeling about you all game long, but then you also contribute A LOT, which threw me off. But after the nard and bum flips play out I'm definitely looking at you again. Your massive posts are daunting, but perhaps that was your plan to deter people from analyzing them -.- I haven't read any of your cases and thought, "Hmmm, yes I really like what this guy is saying!". 12 Town vs 5 Mafia, "BUT WE STILL HAVE WORK TO DO", as if we're on our way to winning. 12v5 is a terrible situation for us. "BE CAUTIOUS" you say. Then in the very same post you say, "DONT DOUBT YOURSELVES". Lolwut? Vain is Mafia turns in to Vain is 100% town and bum is framing him, based off of nothing really. BB/bum is almost certain to be lynched next, your massive analysis was overkill. But it had a purpose: To save Vain. Mafia can vote for other mafia mate, especially if nard/bum is more important than Vain. Really need to see these people flip and go from there. | ||
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At everyone: Read wherebugsgo's posts from the bottom of page 7 onwards and tell me your thoughts please. Pay particular attention to: - Why he believes nard is confirmed scum. - Why he doubts Vain is scum - Why he changed from thinking Vain is scum to town | ||
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Either the worst claim ever, or dumbscum. | ||
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We probably have the whole scum team set up to be lynched and he's sweating. | ||
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And he was seen moving in the night. He has claimed VT. He can't be both a miller and a nosy neighbour. gg? ##vote Vain. If he flips green then chaoser is mafia. | ||
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On September 03 2011 11:11 RayzorFlash wrote: WTF chaoser survives 2 nights after claiming AND saying he found a scum (which was itself made at a really bad time where he could've been trying to cause a mislynch from Mig)? Something isn't right here... This is your first suspicion in like a week? And you just pop in right after the flips? Convenient timing isn't it? On September 03 2011 13:40 Pyo wrote: ya know, it was awfully convenient that you happened to be able to confirm your sanity after the first 2 nights and happened to have picked the person who was getting framed as your 3rd check. Ya know, you still haven't technically confirmed that you really are town. If you all are going to lynch me not much more I can do to stop it... I've stated my defense as well as I can, but when I flip blue, I think it's pretty clear who should really be lynched. ##vote: chaoser Let's translate that shall we? "ya know, you haven't been able to confirm yourself as 100% townie. You haven't been acting scummy, but you're not 100% town, so let's lynch you." herp scum. I can see the scum plan now. Keep chaoser alive to discredit him. RF: Go point out that he's still alive! A claimed DT is still alive!! Clearly he's Mafia! Even though he is useless while RB'd. Pyo: To add to the doubt, point out that he's not technically confirmed!! He's still alive and he's not 100% confirmed, clearly town will have to agree that he's absolutely mafia!! Let's push this lynch guys!! ye ##vote Pyo | ||
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On September 04 2011 23:08 chaoser wrote: DTs are suppose to check people they're unsure about, at that point and time I already thought you mafia so there was no point to a check on you? Wait, what? | ||
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 I made my vote after this post: + Show Spoiler + On September 03 2011 21:00 Lucidity wrote: This is your first suspicion in like a week? And you just pop in right after the flips? Convenient timing isn't it? Let's translate that shall we? "ya know, you haven't been able to confirm yourself as 100% townie. You haven't been acting scummy, but you're not 100% town, so let's lynch you." herp scum. I can see the scum plan now. Keep chaoser alive to discredit him. RF: Go point out that he's still alive! A claimed DT is still alive!! Clearly he's Mafia! Even though he is useless while RB'd. Pyo: To add to the doubt, point out that he's not technically confirmed!! He's still alive and he's not 100% confirmed, clearly town will have to agree that he's absolutely mafia!! Let's push this lynch guys!! ye ##vote Pyo meh | ||
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After Pyo I would've gone for Erandorr and chaoser, but never in a million years for Curu. MVP for sure. | ||
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