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On January 19 2012 18:30 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 20:16 kingjames01 wrote: After some consideration, I think it might be best for the Bodyguards to be made public. The Town will fall behind quickly if the mafia take both Bodyguard roles and the elected roles are killed without divulging the names of the Bodyguards.
Here's my analysis on this: Case 1) 2 x Town Bodyguard As long as one of the Bodyguards is alive, our elected officials are protected. They will not require protection before the Bodyguards are killed thus freeing a Medic to do something else. If a player dedicates themselves to protecting a Bodyguard until they die, then the elected officials are protected as well.
Case 2) 1 x Town Bodyguard If the mafia kills the Town Bodyguard then the elected officials are vulnerable. However, if the elected officials are targetted we will have learned that the other Bodyguard is mafia. Not a good trade, but at least we don't come away with nothing.
Case 3) 0 x Town Bodyguard Here, if either of the elected officials are killed before the Bodyguards are both lynched, we'll have confirmed mafia.
Went through your filter Kingjames and found this interesting. Now that the election is long over, how do you feel about this post(which you posted prior to the election). Still think BG's should claim? Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 11:59 kingjames01 wrote: I am very vocal about the Bodyguards being made public. What was the purpose? To ensure that we at least come out even if the Mayor and/or Sheriff were killed prematurely.
Vocal meaning?
I never said THEY should claim. I supported the Mayor and/or the Sheriff releasing their names. The reasoning was laid out multiple times. However, I'm satisfied that the names are out there in one form or another.
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On January 19 2012 17:40 p4NDemik wrote: Protactinium is regularly catching mafia. So yeah, I haven't been calling him out or anything. If he keeps giving targets that flip red I'm going to continue to think he's pretty green. I don't know why this post drew you to me.
Day 1 during the Mayor vote we had like 20 pages of useless Mason talk, so I spoke to that, what little bit I could but mostly I was disappointed as I said it was very difficult to focus on who was the best candidate during that mess. Yes I didn't make a stand at that exact moment but it was very difficult to do so at the time. The thread was in ruins.
Again I don't see what you are trying to prove by showing my reasoning for voting Protactinium for mayor. I feel that while it isn't the most verbose explanation it is very to the point and says exactly why the other candidates were deficient. It doesn't leave anything to the imagination. I wanted to get a mayor who wanted to hang some mafia members and I voted for one who is 2 for 2 thus far.
As for the Palmar thing, yeah it doesn't help so much when you say "I told you so!" after the fact but I couldn't help myself. The lynch Palmar drive based on meta didn't sit well with me and that was another big factor why I voted for Protactinium. I know I made a promise to go through the thread again, but sometimes I just have to get away from this game it is very time consuming as is and eventually you have to pull yourself away to do other things. That said, I feel I just presented a very strong case and we have 2 for-sure mafia who just exposed themselves in BM and supersoft. I trust that town will see these two for what they really are and take them down.
In the next quote I am not using this "I'm a n00b" defense at all. Kitaman raises a question about why I didn't care about masons/Palmar meta discussion and instead only cared about the election. I told him I don't have experience with masons and I have never played with Palmar to know the meta that the lynch was based upon. But I never said "I'm a n00b." You're really grasping at straws here if that's what you got out of it.
Now you list a hoarde of posts that are short questions. I saw what I thought were questionable actions by players. In a few of the cases they were misunderstandings and mistakes in reading what was posted. They were very real. I thought wherebugsgo made a serious slip for a second and voted for him but I was proven wrong and shown that he was just paraphrasing what someone else said. It wasn't obvious and it was quite confusing as there was no context given. Kenpachi swoops in being the troll he is and gets under my skin a little. I'm human. Whoop de doo.
My case against you is not predicated on your support for or against Protactinium. My suspicion against your formed when I read that you thought Nisani presented a "pretty compelling" argument against Protactinium when in fact he did not.
When I then look through the remainder of your posts it becomes clear that you spend an inordinate amount of time committing to nothing, attempting to justify your lynch votes and never any actual scum-hunting.
On January 19 2012 17:46 p4NDemik wrote: If this is the best mafia can do to discredit me then that's pretty sad. We have them on the ropes townies don't let up on the pressure. BM and supersoft clearly are into some dirty business here.
On January 19 2012 19:47 p4NDemik wrote: I'm headed to bed please read over my case against supersoft and BM I'm convinced we have a 2 for 2 day here and I hope everyone can see through whatever weak accusations kingjames brought against me. I don't know what his intentions are or if he is trying to get his buddies out of a tight spot but the best part is we've still got like 40 hours to analyze further suspects after we decide on this lynch. We're getting close guys, should have their KP reduced even more very soon!
You're not one of us. Your posts and your actions make that clear.
Is it a weak accusation to say that you don't ever attempt to help to improve the condition/atmosphere of the Town? Is it a weak accusation to say that you don't ever take a solid stand to outlining your position on major issues? Is it a weak accusation to say that you don't have not done any real public scum-hunting?
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On January 20 2012 00:24 jaj22 wrote: @Lanaia: You want Bill to blow up two of Foolishness/Protact/BC?
What? Do YOU want Bill Murray to blow up two of those 3? Analyse Foolishness and Protactinium for yourself. They ARE and HAVE BEEN pro-Town from the beginning. Until that changes they should not be targetted.
On January 20 2012 01:21 jaj22 wrote:I'm suggesting that if Bill Murray is telling the truth, he's likely to bomb two of those three. He said so in the claim post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13195276Looking at Slardar: Wow, this guy is terrible. Trolls most of day 1, complains about attempts to scumhunt, does absolutely no scumhunting himself. Transitions into lurking. ##Vote SlardarPost your scum reads or die.
On January 20 2012 02:02 jaj22 wrote: I'm having doubts about BM too. Maybe OpZ is right and he's just a bad player posting whatever random junk comes into his head.
Jitsu: What do you think? Any chance of a mason log?
Also I don't like anything in Protact's latest scumread post, which is scaring the shit out of me.
What about Protactinium's latest post don't you like? Analyse it for us and tell us what you think.
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On January 20 2012 00:49 Toadesstern wrote: I'm not sure if we should vote for double lynch yet. The lynches we're attempting are kind of risky. I am on BM and KJ. If BM turns out green we lynched an office and there's enough people saying there's one mafia within BC/BM and I'd agree with that. If kingjames flips green we got a bunch of players who accused him and actually KJ just dir a case himself. For me the lynches we get tonight are a turning point to see which "side" is right I don't know if I'll be able to make 2 decisions tomorrow. Of course if both flip red that's going to be easy, but if both flip red we surly can take a single-lynch to go on as well because we'd already be in a huge lead. If it's only 1 or 0 reds I don't know if another doublelynch is the way to go.
Imo doublelynch is a low-medium risk with 0 gain if it turns out to be the right move and little to medium drawback. I don't think I want that right now
Finally, Toadesstern, I have been suspicious of you for a large portion of this game. I pegged you correctly early in TL Mafia XLVIII because of the things you say and do.
EVERYONE:
Reconsider my case. Actually take some time and look at my posts. Think about the intent behind the words and the effect that they achieved in the game. Think about what would happen if I chose to do or say something different.
Think about the different people that I have targetted this game and how I have been working to make sure that: 1) I don't contribute to the myriad of conflicting voices 2) I don't compound any confusion or chaos 3) I keep the Town aware of who I deem to be suspicious or not suspicious
Finally, note that if I really wanted to, I could have fallen back on the Macpo lynch easily instead of drawing attention to myself and voting for someone different. In fact, note that I VOTED FOR L who turned out to be the GF. If I wanted to earn credibility by bussing a mafia, why would I choose the GF?
Now look at my actual case that I built against p4NDemik and compare his actions and posts to mine. Who is more pro-Town? Who is more likely to be mafia?
Vote for p4NDemik
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On January 20 2012 02:40 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 02:37 kingjames01 wrote:On January 20 2012 00:49 Toadesstern wrote: I'm not sure if we should vote for double lynch yet. The lynches we're attempting are kind of risky. I am on BM and KJ. If BM turns out green we lynched an office and there's enough people saying there's one mafia within BC/BM and I'd agree with that. If kingjames flips green we got a bunch of players who accused him and actually KJ just dir a case himself. For me the lynches we get tonight are a turning point to see which "side" is right I don't know if I'll be able to make 2 decisions tomorrow. Of course if both flip red that's going to be easy, but if both flip red we surly can take a single-lynch to go on as well because we'd already be in a huge lead. If it's only 1 or 0 reds I don't know if another doublelynch is the way to go.
Imo doublelynch is a low-medium risk with 0 gain if it turns out to be the right move and little to medium drawback. I don't think I want that right now Finally, Toadesstern, I have been suspicious of you for a large portion of this game. I pegged you correctly early in TL Mafia XLVIII because of the things you say and do. wat? I'm cooking right now and I'm only checking tl when I got some time. Is that something good or something bad about me?
Ah, I actually incorporated what I wanted to say to you directly into the next part. Don't accept lynching me for 'information'. That won't do anything. I will flip and then everyone will argue about what it means and then the next bad lynch will be against Protactinium or Foolishness.
Just heed my words and look through my posts. Do some analysis. If you ACTUALLY find something suspicious, then come back and report it.
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On January 20 2012 03:07 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 02:45 kingjames01 wrote:On January 20 2012 02:40 Toadesstern wrote:On January 20 2012 02:37 kingjames01 wrote:On January 20 2012 00:49 Toadesstern wrote: I'm not sure if we should vote for double lynch yet. The lynches we're attempting are kind of risky. I am on BM and KJ. If BM turns out green we lynched an office and there's enough people saying there's one mafia within BC/BM and I'd agree with that. If kingjames flips green we got a bunch of players who accused him and actually KJ just dir a case himself. For me the lynches we get tonight are a turning point to see which "side" is right I don't know if I'll be able to make 2 decisions tomorrow. Of course if both flip red that's going to be easy, but if both flip red we surly can take a single-lynch to go on as well because we'd already be in a huge lead. If it's only 1 or 0 reds I don't know if another doublelynch is the way to go.
Imo doublelynch is a low-medium risk with 0 gain if it turns out to be the right move and little to medium drawback. I don't think I want that right now Finally, Toadesstern, I have been suspicious of you for a large portion of this game. I pegged you correctly early in TL Mafia XLVIII because of the things you say and do. wat? I'm cooking right now and I'm only checking tl when I got some time. Is that something good or something bad about me? Ah, I actually incorporated what I wanted to say to you directly into the next part. Don't accept lynching me for 'information'. That won't do anything. I will flip and then everyone will argue about what it means and then the next bad lynch will be against Protactinium or Foolishness. Just heed my words and look through my posts. Do some analysis. If you ACTUALLY find something suspicious, then come back and report it. But I want to lynch for information so badly I'm not even talking about you, it's still about Sandroba. I'm either spot on and people are not trusting me for a reason (= safe sandroba/chainsaw-defence) or I am the town moron this game who's all like "herpaderp, Annul dayvigged a townie, therefore he has to be a townie himself, herpaderp!". I'm dying inside and want to know what's going on. So far my 3 choices are either you (because I kind of trust protact or want to know if I can trust him), BM and Sandroba (because I trust myself and want to know what's going on). Needless to say that Sandroba is the only one I'm having an easy time to put my vote on. You got some drawbacks and BM might end up being town (just like you) but he's our sheriff. That'd be pretty bad. But yeah I'll read your filter and tell you tomorrow what I think about it (19:00 in ger, leaving in 1hour). Voting you because I trust or wan to trust protact isn't exactly a good reason to vote someone so I'll have to check that.
After analysing him, I trust him too. Just realize that trusting someone to be pro-Town doesn't equate with that person is instantly correct.
If you want to lynch for information, lynch p4NDemik. He's not pro-Town and I'm gunning for him hard now that I've noticed.
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On January 20 2012 03:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 02:43 Jayjay54 wrote:On January 20 2012 02:06 VisceraEyes wrote: That is, what specifically is the most suspicious aspect of his play. To clarify. Please. lately he's been posting this On January 19 2012 06:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: All medics, foolishness and protract are your responsibility tonight to defend. which I learned is a scum move. for older things, my filter will help. although some reads changed, the BC parts stay. Someone pointed out earlier that he found some scum? Can he show me where? Also, guys, BM is scum and falseclaiming. And I say why: a) I don't see why you would let yourself vote as sheriff if you're a mad hatter. You actually want to die at some point. So why hand yourself in. b) There is no way he has a scum read on both protact and foolishness (on day 2!). This is straight out saying the best scumhunters yet are scum. Which makes no sense as town. Even if you think they're scum, you probably place your bombs some place else. c) "Oh I failed to submit". Yea right. d) "I failed you as a sheriff" indeed e) all this stuff he did before "CC is confirmed scum"; jail desaster laiana, talking shit, see my filter for a little more. HE NEEDS TO DIE. ##Vote: Bill MurrayEven in the highly unlikely very worst case he flips town and he blows up foolishness and protact, we'd at least have a confirmation that BC is scum. This case is bad, but there is still a benefit.Why is everybody abandoning GGQ? I still like his case and would like to lynch him. We would learn a lot about sandro and chaos too ##Vote: GGQ. This vote may change though. Finally, no doubly lynch imo. High risk, little reward. So, he said he only had 1 bomb out. He said to keep him alive on this. Reading his filter he does not state who is one bomb is on. So we already know if he is lynched today that even if his bomb is on one of those 2 players that 1 will live. However it is interesting that to confirm my alignment you are for the carpet bomb killing of 3 other players. Two of which are actively analyzing and catching reds. Massive FoS on this. Next as to reply to jackal. I am fine with keeping you around another day now. HOWEVER. You have stated that you were herp derping because you had a role you wished to use before dying, thats great. That means you should be turning into the jackal that has no reason to herp derp. Continue doing so will result in me believing you just shot your gf to build cred for yourself as L was dead in the water anyway. You have a day to step it up. on to the current lynches, Kingjames01 is an easy first go. Why? Because he has done near nothing this game until he was actively pushed. Then he stops being helpful till again being pushed. His first bit of "analysis" that wasn't on me came at the point where people said lynch him. If he is required to be lynched to actively "analyze a player" this does not scream best interests of the town. Factor in he was trying to get cred from the "i voted for L, why would I vote for mafia gf if I was red" I would say it was easy to read the thread to know L was going to die sooner or later, having at least 1 member jump on that train now makes sense. As for BM, Claiming to save his life, running for election with a role that requires him dying (the fuck) to activate, his wtf jailing of lanaia with reasoning like Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote: WBG I am trying to jail to lower their KP Say L was roleblocked and Lanaia was jailed WHAT IF BOTH ARE MAFIA? That would explain why we had 3 mafia KP last night, and not 4 i am CERTAIN 1 of OpZ or BC are mafia, now, and who else to elect mayor if not the mafia jack? Note that he said he was trying to jail to lower mafia KP. At that point in time, jailing a red would not have lowered mafia kp (anyone with half a brain would know this). He says he believed to save her from a hit, but someone had already claimed that missing hit in thread. That displayed he was not actually reading properly. I will be voting both of kingjames and bm for now, and heavily watching the thread to see how the day goes.
I respect your mafia play and I know that you are attempting to draw me into an extended conflict and ruin any chances we have to actually scum-hunt. Because of this, I will concede your twisted interpretation of my play without engaging you directly on that front.
However, I need to point out to everyone that BloodyC0bbler is trying to force me to make excuses. I make none.
But, I will counter you, BC, on this point: what will you have gained when I don't flip red? Where do you go next?
My final assertion to the Town is as follows: I have been attempting to draw a hit during the Night.
I have been a continued voice of reason rather than a seeder of dissension. I have pointed out logical inconsistencies between words and actions. I have ensured that if I were to be shot at night, that my suspects will be known.
I don't need to be the loudest or the most active player, as long as my presence cannot be erased easily.
In essence, my game plan all along has been to force the mafia to silence me.
It is my duty and honour to soak up a shot so that our scum hunters and power roles can continue to work unfettered. Factor that into your analysis of me.
Now that it is obvious that the mafia is attempting to mislynch me today rather than to shoot me at night I must change tacks and point out that my actions have all been pro-Town. Indeed, I am Town-aligned.
That is what matters here.
Vote for p4NDemik.
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I never blueclaimed.
Also, I just did a quick count of the votes and I'm second-in-line with 5 votes. sandroba is 3rd with 4 votes. That means at any time, the mafia can seal my fate. If I'm going to argue to stay in the game, I have to do it now, not later.
I have one last thing up my sleeve but I will see how the day goes before I use it.
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On January 20 2012 05:03 wherebugsgo wrote: at this point it's pretty damning of kingjames to be so fervently pushing a random lynch we've never heard of.
Granted, this is exactly what he did in XLVIII, just always pushing random people who never had a chance of being lynched. Knowing this, though, it becomes hard to determine whether he is actually scum or just playing like he normally does
At this point I don't care because I don't think kingjames is the best kill for today. I'd much rather we kill BM and Toad.
It's not random and you have heard of it. From me. Perhaps you just missed it.
You should go back and look at what I am pointing out. I've given quite detailed analyses as to why he has demonstrated mafia behaviour. Just take a look through the analysis and see what you think. It's quite apparent once you read through p4NDemik's history.
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On January 20 2012 06:52 jaj22 wrote: I don't like kingjames or p4NDemik as lynch candidates at the moment. I don't have an issue with kingjames's vote for L as he reposted Kitaman's very good case against L. p4NDemik just looks newish town to me, and his case against Supersoft is worth a look.
That's an interesting defense of p4NDemik. He's a "newish town".
Now didn't we ALREADY hear that argument used for TWO separate players?
Who were those two? Oh that's right, Ciryandor and Macpo. hm... They ended up dead, right? Let's go check to see what they flipped... Wow... So they were BOTH mafia???
Would you like to rescind your defense of p4NDemik?
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On January 20 2012 06:57 p4NDemik wrote: I'd just like you to go with your brain and critique by kingjames' logic.
There, I thought I would just fix that up for you.
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EBWOP:
On January 20 2012 06:57 p4NDemik wrote: I'd just like you to go with your brain and critique kingjames' logic.
There, I thought I would just fix that up for you.
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On January 20 2012 11:21 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 10:56 p4NDemik wrote: Why are random people posting in this thread -_- Sorry if my post was somewhat vague and out of turn, I'm kinda unfamiliar with the mafia scene on tl but it seems spectacular, I'll go read the op because it'll probably say right there in detail how to get involved, I apologize for not doing this in the first place, I guess its just hard to dispel the notion that someone would go out of there way to craft someone they've never met into an able player. Which is especially ridicules considering this is a game of wits that relies heavily on what the player already knows of deceit and cunning.
I just read through this guy's filter. He hasn't posted EVER.
gumshoe is mafia. Lynch him.
##Vote: gumshoe.
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On January 20 2012 11:22 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 10:48 Bill Murray wrote: I've got to vote kingjames, even if I have a townslip from him; I KNOW I'm a mad hatter, he could be a townie sandroba needs rope really badly My one bomb is on Protactinium, so when I'm lynched, I guess he's coming with me My Night 1 was jailing Lanaia, and then I was going to fake that I "derped" on the next 2 nights Why else would I jailkeep N1? It was a bad idea in retrospect, but I thought I would either die N1 if BC was mafia, or I would have until BrownBear and Kitaman were alive.
Cwave masoned me yesterday Jitsu masoned me yesterday one of BC or OpZ are probably mafia GG guys I'm dead in an hour if you all don't unvote and there goes the sheriff Wait what. This is nonsensical and silly. Why on earth do you have a bomb on Protact if you're MH? I thought you had a town read on him, or was I just imagining that?
No. It's clear that he's just saying that to forestall the lynch on him. Since the majority of us are convinced that Protactinium is Town, he's attempting to threaten us into saving his lynch until the next day.
That's kind of a really shady way to stay alive, but he's playing to win.
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On January 20 2012 11:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK folks. Lynches for today until a better round of analysis comes out via myself, foolishness or protract, obvious scum slips by reds or the like.
kingjames
Now, we have analyzed him already, but you guys seriously need to take a step back at what he is doing. The only person he analyzed all game till p4n was me. Not only that, but he only started to analyze other players when he started getting votes slapped on him. He has down nothing to help the town, and claimed he was attempting to draw a mafia hit. If this was true, why has he been so unhelpful and not just that, assume that a mafia would shoot him based on 3 players analyzing him as red?
The only bullet he was taking last night would have been from a vig.
Not only this, but most analysis on him always seems to get buried quickly or ignored. He is one of the primary people that should be lynched today yet only the BM one has taken up real steam. Hell if you notice, the only people voting for him atm are myself, protrac, foolishness, hiro and BM.
Mafia does not want this guy dead, cap him now.
As for the secondary target? Everyone is hopping aboard the BM wagon which at the moment has me slightly uneasy at how fast it is thus far. He seems like a solid candidate thus far but it is starting to seem almost like a misslynch.
If you guys don't like BM then move to Meapak. I will have an analysis post up on him shortly, but he is most likely red.
However Kingjames should be everyones primary vote today.
I am almost starting to feel bad for you BC. You're like that pathetic little kid that always wants to be heard. You're saying all the same things but you're missing one key fact. IF you really believed me to be mafia, you should be attacking my posts. Am I wrong about p4NDemik? Why don't you use your mafia logic and discuss that?
What are you so afraid of?
I DARE YOU TO TAKE A STAND ON p4NDemik.
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On January 20 2012 11:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 11:33 kingjames01 wrote:On January 20 2012 11:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK folks. Lynches for today until a better round of analysis comes out via myself, foolishness or protract, obvious scum slips by reds or the like.
kingjames
Now, we have analyzed him already, but you guys seriously need to take a step back at what he is doing. The only person he analyzed all game till p4n was me. Not only that, but he only started to analyze other players when he started getting votes slapped on him. He has down nothing to help the town, and claimed he was attempting to draw a mafia hit. If this was true, why has he been so unhelpful and not just that, assume that a mafia would shoot him based on 3 players analyzing him as red?
The only bullet he was taking last night would have been from a vig.
Not only this, but most analysis on him always seems to get buried quickly or ignored. He is one of the primary people that should be lynched today yet only the BM one has taken up real steam. Hell if you notice, the only people voting for him atm are myself, protrac, foolishness, hiro and BM.
Mafia does not want this guy dead, cap him now.
As for the secondary target? Everyone is hopping aboard the BM wagon which at the moment has me slightly uneasy at how fast it is thus far. He seems like a solid candidate thus far but it is starting to seem almost like a misslynch.
If you guys don't like BM then move to Meapak. I will have an analysis post up on him shortly, but he is most likely red.
However Kingjames should be everyones primary vote today. I am almost starting to feel bad for you BC. You're like that pathetic little kid that always wants to be heard. You're saying all the same things but you're missing one key fact. IF you really believed me to be mafia, you should be attacking my posts. Am I wrong about p4NDemik? Why don't you use your mafia logic and discuss that? What are you so afraid of? I DARE YOU TO TAKE A STAND ON p4NDemik. bad mafia or bad town.
That's not a stand. You are attempting to equivocate.
On January 20 2012 11:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Regardless, Your posts attacked him for the same general points you were analyzed for.
That's a dismissive lie. If you ACTUALLY care or at least want to MAKE A SHOW OF IT, then read my analysis on p4NDemik. Compare and contrast my intent with his. Compare and contrast the choices we make.
TAKE A STAND. Let's see who you really are this game.
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On January 20 2012 11:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 11:33 kingjames01 wrote:On January 20 2012 11:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK folks. Lynches for today until a better round of analysis comes out via myself, foolishness or protract, obvious scum slips by reds or the like.
kingjames
Now, we have analyzed him already, but you guys seriously need to take a step back at what he is doing. The only person he analyzed all game till p4n was me. Not only that, but he only started to analyze other players when he started getting votes slapped on him. He has down nothing to help the town, and claimed he was attempting to draw a mafia hit. If this was true, why has he been so unhelpful and not just that, assume that a mafia would shoot him based on 3 players analyzing him as red?
The only bullet he was taking last night would have been from a vig.
Not only this, but most analysis on him always seems to get buried quickly or ignored. He is one of the primary people that should be lynched today yet only the BM one has taken up real steam. Hell if you notice, the only people voting for him atm are myself, protrac, foolishness, hiro and BM.
Mafia does not want this guy dead, cap him now.
As for the secondary target? Everyone is hopping aboard the BM wagon which at the moment has me slightly uneasy at how fast it is thus far. He seems like a solid candidate thus far but it is starting to seem almost like a misslynch.
If you guys don't like BM then move to Meapak. I will have an analysis post up on him shortly, but he is most likely red.
However Kingjames should be everyones primary vote today. I am almost starting to feel bad for you BC. You're like that pathetic little kid that always wants to be heard. You're saying all the same things but you're missing one key fact. IF you really believed me to be mafia, you should be attacking my posts. Am I wrong about p4NDemik? Why don't you use your mafia logic and discuss that? What are you so afraid of? I DARE YOU TO TAKE A STAND ON p4NDemik. bad mafia or bad town.
That's not a stand. You are attempting to equivocate.
On January 20 2012 11:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Regardless, Your posts attacked him for the same general points you were analyzed for.
That's a dismissive lie. If you ACTUALLY care or at least want to MAKE A SHOW OF IT, then read my analysis on p4NDemik. Compare and contrast my intent with his. Compare and contrast the choices we make.
TAKE A STAND. Let's see who you really are this game.
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On January 20 2012 12:09 Toadesstern wrote: hey there KJ: Vote sandro, he's 2nd atm and may be your pass to life another day!
I am not going to cast a vote against another player until I have an adequate reason to, even if it's to save myself.
Note that even if I do end up being mislynched my motives are clear. I will force BC out into the open. He based his candidacy on accountability and I want us all to see the hypocrisy of his words.
If I am such a good lynch candidate then why have I been so pro-Town?
I look forward to BC's next move.
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On January 20 2012 12:27 Scamp wrote: kingjames01 I have a question for you.
Who do you think is mafia other than p4NDemik?
Well let's wait until BC has a chance to do his 'analysis' and then we can all decide together. Until then I am not going to respond anymore. Too many posts and we're all going to lose focus. If I am going to get mislynched I want to draw out a few of my suspects. I hope the mafia are wishing that they had killed me already.
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Let me explain something to the Town: BloodyC0bbler is a good mafia player. BloodyC0bbler's mafia play isn't restricted to playing from the shadows. He is not afraid to be active in the game.
But he is patient. He doesn't jump on every opportunity to wreak havoc.
The reason why he's so good at being bad is not because he is smarter than the average mafia player. It is because he is so careful about being caught in a trap which makes him such a good mafia player.
BloodyC0bbler only engages people when he thinks that he can draw someone into an argument.
We can't check his alignment nor can we verify his role because he is Mayor. The power of having the weight of 3 votes will become more powerful as the game progresses.
It is abundantly clear that his choices made in the first Day were chaos-inducing but is that enough to conclusively state that BC is mafia?
When it became clear that I was going to be the next mislynch target, I switched tacks and decided that if I'm going out, then I'm going to use my last Day alive to draw BC out into the open.
I want him to take a real stand on a very simple analysis. When I don't flip red tonight, I don't want him to be able to say, "oops! Well, I guess I was wrong. kingjames01 was really hard to read."
However, that is exactly what BC is attempting to do.
I asked him to do one thing.
On January 20 2012 11:53 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 11:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 20 2012 11:33 kingjames01 wrote:
I am almost starting to feel bad for you BC. You're like that pathetic little kid that always wants to be heard. You're saying all the same things but you're missing one key fact. IF you really believed me to be mafia, you should be attacking my posts. Am I wrong about p4NDemik? Why don't you use your mafia logic and discuss that?
What are you so afraid of?
I DARE YOU TO TAKE A STAND ON p4NDemik. bad mafia or bad town. That's not a stand. You are attempting to equivocate. Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 11:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Regardless, Your posts attacked him for the same general points you were analyzed for.
That's a dismissive lie. If you ACTUALLY care or at least want to MAKE A SHOW OF IT, then read my analysis on p4NDemik. Compare and contrast my intent with his. Compare and contrast the choices we make. TAKE A STAND. Let's see who you really are this game.
He agreed to do so.
On January 20 2012 12:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: King james I will do what you ask
But then he didn't. In his entire mess of a post, he did not do what he agreed to do. BC skirted around the issue so that he did not have to commit to any position. He avoids making a conclusive judgement on p4NDemik by focussing on me entirely.
On January 20 2012 14:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Now this is an awesome post. See you went for a player that protrac missed. Then began to analyze him to death. Normally I would be like, awesome, good job. However. YOU DID THIS ONLY AFTER PRESSURED.
He starts off with invalidating p4n because nisani's argument was not convincing. He does not quote this argument, he does not explain why it was bad. He then throws suspicion down because he believes p4n is establishing future votes. Instead he FoS protrac for his sudden change in how he has acted in thread. He makes a leap to interpret a line of thinking that was not stated. Futhermore he says p4n never interacts with protrac after that. Guess what, Protrac called kingjames out and rather than responding, kingjames promptly ignored the analysis as if it didnt exist.
He then continues to analyze posts saying that p4n threw in an "excuse to vote" on a day that kingjames did not vote period. His reason is actually not a bad reason yet is "scumlike"
He attacks p4n for not scumhunting which is something til this point that he himself is guilty of.
He then brings up a ton of posts that say near nothing. Except one thing. The posts are questions that are trying to get answers for suspect behaviour. He then chooses a line of posts that are asking a question that were not answered that was weird as hell. He then asks someone who called him out to explain why rather than sitting back making general statements. Guess what, thats townlike behaviour.
King james analyzed someone who is clearly playing in the towns interests while obviously not doing so himself. This is a post thats designed to target what would be viewed as a weaker player and making a case where there was none. Near all the points made against p4n were actually trash and it was only designed to bury decent posts and create a scene to distract the town.
He then continues to tunnel p4n. Telling people to only vote for him if they want to analyze him. Meanwhile telling people if they want to vote for information that they can kill p4n. This is a complete contradiction in that if they want to kill p4n they should be analyzing him as well if they have to analyze kingjames to lynch kingjames.
He is NOT clear about his position on p4NDemik. Does he ACTUALLY believe that p4NDemik "is clearly playing in the towns interests"?
WHERE IS HIS ACCOUNTABILITY NOW?
BloodyC0bbler: I DARE YOU TO TAKE A STAND ON p4NDemik. Why is that so hard for you to do? You make a few posts here and there. Surely, with your ability to play the game, you can make a real analysis on p4NDemik. That should be child's play for you. Stop using excuses to focus on me. Take some time and analyse p4NDemik.
You agreed to do it. You still haven't produced any results.
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