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he was modkilled and he was practically useless while alive why are you attacking a dead townie? | ||
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On January 21 2012 12:18 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Have you ever heard of reads being too accurate? And look how much you flaunt it so... Speaking of reads being too accurate is anyone concerned about the unbelievable predictive powers of our triumvirate concerning the sandroba lynch? The quick switch after past rebuttals feels like a possible bus of an expendable teammate. Very plausible that after almost half a day into the cycle and no responses someone may take the initiative to capitalize on a player who otherwise has no value. kingjames as I said before doesn't tell us much. i think most of us are baffled by his play. real headscratcher and we're really going to have to dig hard to find mafia hiding in this bandwagon i feel like. for now, i'm spent gl in your night actions fellas, chose wisely and keep in mind what we've seen go down today. i'll see yall on the flipside. | ||
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On January 21 2012 17:33 Foolishness wrote: Mafia list has to be something like: Meapak, Munk-E, Bill Murray, evantrees, BrownBear, Kenpachi. Substitute in glurio, Opz, EchelonTee, vaderseven, Slardar for the ones that flip town. This is the biggest load of bs I've seen all game. Just a list of people who are relatively inactive. They may be trying to lurk but they are doing very little to influence the game. There are going to be some Mafia exerting influence right now. To suggest otherwise is just ignorant. While these are all suspicious individuals there are those among your circle who are just as suspicious because of actions they have made and the influence they have exerted on the game. Today's actions do nothing to further any of you three in the eyes of town. You missed on kingjames01: no points either way in my mind because he was tough to read as town in any circumstance but mafia would have jumped over that opportunity once they saw it. It was given to them on a golden platter. You hit on scandroba: this should not sway townies at all. Despite building a bulletproof case against Bill, one that could have and should have gone to the wire with the way he was acting you switched votes only in the interest of self-preservation of Protactinium. You move your votes onto a mafia member who was completely expendable to their cause. They needed to capitalize on his inactivity and fast. He wasn't coming back (or at least they couldn't be sure of it) and they needed to make use of this in some way. In fact the motives for your actions yesterday more often lead to the point of two or maybe more of your being mafia rather than you all being town aligned. | ||
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Don't listen to a word this guy says. He's looking super red and if you are taking orders from this guy at this point you seriously need to get your head checked. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + [14/01/2012 1:25:21 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm catching up [14/01/2012 1:25:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: still on page 40 [14/01/2012 1:25:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: and quite drunk [14/01/2012 1:26:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: wow [14/01/2012 1:26:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: proactinum thinks you are scum [14/01/2012 1:26:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: are you mafia? [14/01/2012 1:26:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: tell me I wont remember tomorrow [14/01/2012 1:26:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: i promise not to check logs [14/01/2012 1:27:17 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 1:27:17 AM] james: im not [14/01/2012 1:27:19 AM] james: protrac [14/01/2012 1:27:22 AM] james: just outed himself [14/01/2012 1:27:23 AM] james: hard [14/01/2012 1:27:23 AM] james: though [14/01/2012 1:27:27 AM] james: so fucking obvious [14/01/2012 1:27:41 AM] james: i say this because [14/01/2012 1:27:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: I really thought he was town though [14/01/2012 1:27:45 AM] james: if anyone thinks thats mystlord [14/01/2012 1:27:47 AM] james: they are dumb as hell [14/01/2012 1:27:48 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 1:27:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: from his frist post and second [14/01/2012 1:28:03 AM] james: the post against me [14/01/2012 1:28:05 AM] james: is incog [14/01/2012 1:28:11 AM] james: and incog is firmly in [14/01/2012 1:28:15 AM] james: the anti pm bandwagon [14/01/2012 1:28:15 AM] james: for town [14/01/2012 1:28:22 AM] Sandro Maculan: no [14/01/2012 1:28:25 AM] james: no i mean [14/01/2012 1:28:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is against the anti pm [14/01/2012 1:28:29 AM] james: if you talk to him [14/01/2012 1:28:33 AM] james: outside of this game [14/01/2012 1:28:35 AM] Sandro Maculan: he thinkis you are for it [14/01/2012 1:28:37 AM] james: he hates pm [14/01/2012 1:28:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: and thus mafia [14/01/2012 1:28:45 AM] james: which is how he outed himself [14/01/2012 1:28:54 AM] james: his belief in people properly using pms [14/01/2012 1:28:55 AM] james: is fucking horrid [14/01/2012 1:29:02 AM] james: fw [14/01/2012 1:29:04 AM] james: and I [14/01/2012 1:29:06 AM] james: are the top 2 people [14/01/2012 1:29:08 AM] james: who like pms [14/01/2012 1:29:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: man [14/01/2012 1:29:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: this discussion [14/01/2012 1:29:13 AM] james: in general [14/01/2012 1:29:15 AM] james: i hate masons [14/01/2012 1:29:19 AM] Sandro Maculan: is fucking useless day1 [14/01/2012 1:29:21 AM] james: nah [14/01/2012 1:29:24 AM] james: incog [14/01/2012 1:29:25 AM] james: just [14/01/2012 1:29:26 AM] james: outed himself [14/01/2012 1:29:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: maybe he is mafia for not realising that [14/01/2012 1:29:31 AM] james: to me anyway [14/01/2012 1:29:35 AM] james: to me [14/01/2012 1:29:39 AM] james: thats a hugeeeee [14/01/2012 1:29:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: vets are going to get shot the fuck out [14/01/2012 1:29:40 AM] james: bit [14/01/2012 1:29:41 AM] james: also [14/01/2012 1:29:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: fast [14/01/2012 1:29:43 AM] james: adam [14/01/2012 1:29:45 AM] james: + wbg [14/01/2012 1:29:48 AM] james: link to protrac [14/01/2012 1:29:51 AM] james: so does ciryandor [14/01/2012 1:29:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: ? [14/01/2012 1:29:57 AM] james: do i think all are red? no [14/01/2012 1:29:59 AM] james: but they all link [14/01/2012 1:30:08 AM] james: protrac has done nothing to garner votes [14/01/2012 1:30:09 AM] james: but tunnel people [14/01/2012 1:30:09 AM] Sandro Maculan: man [14/01/2012 1:30:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: protact [14/01/2012 1:30:16 AM] james: first people to jump on his nuts [14/01/2012 1:30:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: if he is mafia he has balls [14/01/2012 1:30:20 AM] james: with 0 grounds [14/01/2012 1:30:23 AM] james: well [14/01/2012 1:30:25 AM] james: it is incog [14/01/2012 1:30:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is the most out there mothefucker [14/01/2012 1:30:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: you + him are my strongest town reads atm [14/01/2012 1:30:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: balss =/= mafia [14/01/2012 1:31:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: even you when red you play more conservatively [14/01/2012 1:31:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: of course i can be fooled and mistaken [14/01/2012 1:31:38 AM] Sandro Maculan: but i gotta go with my guts [14/01/2012 1:31:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: and they say you plus him are town right now Comes down to if this is real and BC is town or if this is fake and BC is mafia though. I've gotta read more of sandro's filter but this was before anything had happened and Proact has established town cred by pointing out two mafia. Looks really suspiciouis. | ||
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On January 22 2012 02:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BM is unable to jail someone like foolishness twice in a row, He is able to move or place another bomb the same night he opts to jail someone. Also holding a town lynch hostage, which is in essence what you are doing, is not pro town. You are not roleblockable. Why? would you be taking the reigns? Between myself, foolishness, and protract a total of 4 reds have been called out who have flipped red. More to the point however, the lynches that hit two of those reds were pushed/directed by us. You were "all over sandroba" yet you never analyzed him, or strongly and vocally pushed him as a lynch option and instead just voted alongside everyone else. You sheeped. Before you rage around screaming "i scumhunted, i scumhunted" near all your "scum" are based off pure speculation and not real analysis. In some cases you just list people as red with no reason and continue on. Your contributions to this game have been near 0 and you have really not done anything aside from claim hatter with a bomb on protrac to do anything to save yourself. You didn't step up over day 3 even knowing you could still die as for going with the sheep comment you made hey guys, he was only after sandroba based on someone elses shite, he was sheeping! Town will most likely be annoyed as fuck with me over the kj lynch. However your play is riddled with pretty well 0 contributions, holding lynches hostage to determine if you do whats in the best interests of the towns or not, fear mongering, and lies. As a note, Do you remember the game you were a ninja and I was a ninja? Do you remember how you held the town hostage by saying "i will give the entire blue list out to the mafia if you don't give me the name of the last ninja?" Do you remember when they asked you to move your shot because someone else had sent in a kill action on that target well before you did and once again you refused? You clearly only play in your own personal best interests when you aren't town. Nothing you have done in this past day has been in the interests of the town, only in the interests of yourself. You seriously make no sense these days. 24 hours before the vote is going to pass you initially think he is red and not Mad Hatter. After the claim you get all scared and want to save Protact's ass because "oooo what if it's true we don't want to lose our amazing lovely Protact." You disregard your entire read which suggest's BM's claim is bs and suddenly want to save him only to save Protact (who now red sandroba was shown to be defending heavily in your self-posted logs) now that sandroba is dead and this information has come to light you jump back on BM and don't question Protact at all? Now that BM says he is moving his bomb you are back on his case like crazy and disregarding your previous conversations with the deceased mafia. You three need to stop being so enamored with each other right now. It is doing no good if any of you are town and is clouding your judgment. | ||
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You guys killed a town and killed a mafia that was going to get MODKILLED stop running around going "we're so great" and look at the situation as it is. You aren't the second coming and you did nothing that was pro-town yesterday. So stop acting like it, start acting like town and start thinking with all possibilities in mind. | ||
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Look at his actions tonight. He has done nothing except make a pointless post directing our blues. Something he shouldn't be doing anyways and something that does not help town in any conceivable way. He needs to die. | ||
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On January 21 2012 17:03 Foolishness wrote: Update + Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 12:20 flamewheel wrote: Day 1 Election Vote Tally Votes for Bill Murray (11) Second Macpo Toadesstern rgTheSchworz Jackal58 GiygaS Munk-E EchelonTee Nisani201 Mr. Wiggles Ciryandor kitaman27 Votes for kitaman27 (1) evantrees Votes for BloodyC0bbler (11) First Meapak_Ziphh risk.nuke GGQ zeks Lanaia glurio Cyber_Cheese Foolishness supersoft wherebugsgo VisceraEyes sandroba (didn't actually vote in voting thread) Votes for Protactinium (10) Palmar Adam4167 Kurumi Cwave Liquid`Sheth Jayjay54 Jitsu p4NDemik bumatlarge blahz0r Votes for supersoft (1) Bill Murray Votes for L (2) ~OpZ~ Scamp Votes for wherebugsgo (2) Kenpachi Slardar Votes for VisceraEyes (1) L Votes for Meapak_Ziphh (1) BloodyC0bbler BloodyC0bbler is elected as Mayor and Bill Murray is his new Sheriff. There are a lot of non-voters. Chaosquo is excused for this cycle, but to my count that still leaves... kingjames01 BrownBear igabod (PM'd me saying he wants to be replaced; no reason why) Erandorr (PMed me saying he wants to be replaced; not an acceptable reason why) Protactinium rtgICEMAN Maxella Reminder to myself to update this in the future. Someone update it if I die tonight. Lets analyze the day 1 vote list a little then instead of just posting lists. Because that's what mafia does right foolishness? Stop feigning being useful and show me your strong town play. Everyone was hyping you up early and you are sheeping along with BC atm behind the Proact train. You've posted a few LISTS but no ANALYSIS tonight. Step up and get a spine show me why you have such cred in these parts. Now, down to analysis. Sandroba and L both ran for office but they made pitiful campaigns that got no support. So the true mafia candidates are still running about among the masses folks. Keep that in mind when you are chosing who you are influenced by in this game. So, of the REAL candidates, who is town and who is mafia? So, lets focus on Bill Murray, BloodyC0bbler, and Protactinium: The Case on Bill Murray If there is one thing we need to preface this statement with, it is that Bill Murray is an idiot. Truly his play has been bafflingly bad and shows blatant ignorance of the rules (did not know he could act both as Mad Hatter while simultaneously being Sherriff) and displays bafflingly stupid town play (if that is indeed what he is). Whether Bill Murray is town or not is sadly difficult to discern and will make further deductions difficult because since he is such an idiot Mafia probably would have enjoyed having a chance to put him into one of our elected roles if the alternative was another town member. I am hesitant to go further into analysis on this man because his actions have been explained as that of an idiot in the past to get him off the hook and may be used again. I won't waste time with analysis if my work can be so easily washed away by his horrible meta. Bill Murray you sir are a nuisance. An idiot, a distraction, and a nuisance. But I'm not entirely sure if you are mafia. BUT in the words of the now dead Mafia goon Macpo: "Also, the Foolishness Bill murray candidacy sounds too big to be mafia-ish. There are claiming their "alliance" too loud, it would be way too risky for them if they were mafia, as everyone focuses on them. So, paradoxically, I would trust them more (or Bill Murray more precisely) as mayor. So I guess I will vote either Mr Wriggles, or Bill Murray; Mr Wriggles being more rational and precise in his analysis (but maybe it's a game) while Bill Murray is more a safety choice (with our very limited information, I feel it's rational to assume that he can't be mafia). But these are only very limited hypotheses and assumptions. How do you guys feel about that?" This is all in among his large first post of the game. Soft support of Bill in his first post of the game. You may say: "p4NDemik his vote for him is suspicious yes, why does this make it more suspicious?" I say to you this deflection of what is mafia and what isn't mafia play feels like a move to get suspicion off of an actual mafia play. Town look for pro-town agenda among their candidate and don't make a candidate seem legitimate by arguing this way. Mafia will try to downplay their strategy. Mafia points for this. Chances BM is mafia? 80-90%. Also paints Foolishness in a horrible light if Bill is mafia then this entire candidacy was a mafia ploy and Foolishness is as red as the setting sun. Analysis of BC and Protact coming soon but this is getting super long so I want to keep each part digestable. Read up townies! | ||
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Do not let this slimeball deceive you. He has been piggy backing off of the success of Protactinium for most of this game and has not acheived much in the town's interests. The alignment of much of his electorate remains in doubt. His lengthy posts make going through his filter quite a pain, and can serve as excellent cover both to make him seem pro-town, and gain sway among the town. From all I have heard his open deception of town goals is something he is clearly capable of and makes determining if he is town or mafia of utmost concern right now considering he was elected into the role of mayor. In the coming days he will only grow more powerful both in pure vote power and in swaying the vote. So we need to focus hard and analyze this man before anything else. Town. Do not blindly trust your mayor without considering where he may be aligned first. Now lets get down to it: BC starts the game by running for mayor. This is something that I've heard he almost always does, which does not surprise due to his particular disposition for deceit and/or justified persuasion of the masses. He however does not have a lynch target for most of the first day, and instead focus' a lot of his time to claim that he is mason and insinuate that other masons should come forward. What are his motives for this? He claims that this is a move to promote discussion and to take the wind out of the sails of a role he perceives as detrimental for town. What are the possible alterior motives (and more devious motives) for this action? BloodyC0bbler is the biggest source of chaos during day 1. Something that everyone agrees is in the mafia's best interest. Claims are said to usually be best made as a last resort when you need to avert something bad happening to town. Claims shouldn't be made to further your own interests like BC's. Take hiro's claim last day cycle - he came out when he was worried we may be letting a red off the hook. An honorable action. BC parlay's his role into power - even if he doesn't blantantly run on a campaign hinged on his role he made it an issue and it helped him. Now that BC was on his way to being elected what does he do? He has been unsure of who to lynch for some time, he doesn't want to commit to any real reads like Protactinium does for commiting to a read could possibly be used against him later on. He stays undecided but later decides that he will use his newfound power to lynch Palmar at the behest of someone who LATER TURNED OUT TO BE MAFIA in sandroba. Yeah remember that? Our fine mayor made himself a pawn of the mafia and refused to make stands day 1. He also throws in a worthless vote for Meapak to boot. Great protown vote BC. I'm so not fucking proud of you so far at all. Also among the day 1 posts he makes: On January 15 2012 04:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: unlikely sandro. In a game with meapak, myself, BM, incog, and L would make far better "horses" than sandro We are all higher profile players and at least of the 5, 3 of us have decent scum games. Sandro has less experience in both town and mafia compared to the rest of us. Great, BC not only is duped by sandro into voting for Palmar in exchange for his vote he defended him day 1 as well. More mafia points. Now we have even more details of the deal in case you guys have all forgotten: On January 15 2012 06:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I agreed if elected to not day 1 lynch foolishness or incog who I have scum reads on. Instead I will choose someone else. Thats right mafia sandroba was bargaining for protact and foolishness' lives. The very people BC is so snug in the bed with atm. BC is adamant about their pro-town status but has not brought this out as the MAJOR concern it should be. Even more mafia points for BC. BC your lack of suspicion on these people is either horribly negligent as town or looking out for your mafia buddies. Night 1 On to his acceptance speech: On January 15 2012 12:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Apparently I got mayor (was requested to send in my lynch choice) Palmar was my pick Don't look so underwhelmed you only put 4 pages of your 8 page filter into getting mayor. Thats right half of BC's posts were made on day 1 in the interest of getting himself mayor. Grand. Then immediately a switch goes off and he's making either A) useless short posts, or B) defense posts of his failed lynch of palmar or his actions creating the pro-mafia whirlwind that was mason talk. BC's first major attack of night 1 is on, guess who? kingjames01! That's right, BC attacks kingjames before kingjames goes ballistic on myself, daring BC to do this, daring BC to do that (which I might add BC never actually caved in to his wishes). Check out his Day 2 attack on Day 3's townie lynch here. Unbelievable. Unfathomable. Unpredictable!!!!! Another shady move from our beloved mayor. Moreover, WHY did he make this attack? Because he was attacked mostly. I can't remember what you guys call this. OMGUS? Yeah this is a form of that. Erstwhile at this time BC is still distancing himself from Protactinium leading up until the moment before the reveal of night 1's events. Then poof! Ciryandor has been killed! Protactinium has been cleared of any suspicion despite not actuallly getting to lead a lynch against him. Yes, he ran initially on the goal of getting him lynched, but he never lead Ciry to death himself. So reconsider how much credit you are giving Proact because of this mafia death. It was a vigilante and it was unexpected for mafia. Now on to Day 2: Day 2 starts, and BC is mostly useless. Lots of short posts until we come upon this post. BC doesn't out and out make a case but he takes his buddy Foolishness's idea of lynching Macpo and runs with it. On the condition that he doesn't say "you all are stupidly tunneling sandro, go after just Macpo this case is good!" He includes the option of GGQ whose allegiance is yet to be determined and could be a way of hedging his bets. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13168154Next post[/url] he makes he attacks Jackal our vigilante de jour, unsuccessfully garnering any support. More posts defending his stance and defending Proact and sandroba. He [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13168552]piggybacks on Foolishness' analysis post[/url] but isn't presenting great ideas on his own so far. He is still pushing Jackal but is starting to realize the case against Macpo is gaining headway and starts to consider this as a valid vote. He never makes any serious push for Macpo. Now to the rest of the game Major inactivity for BC. He announces he was masoning Protact yesterday. We all know how yesterday went. BC pushes long time for BM + kingjames as the lynches. Last few hours switches off to sandroba (who is going to get modkilled) because he wants to save his lovely Protact. The fact he pushed for the death of sandroba is the only even slightly town thing he has done all game but my friends this isn't a town action at all as he gets us to waste a vote on a player who is going to be mod-killed anyways! Summary BC has done nothing to actually benefit town. He frateranizes with sandroba, lynches Palmar at sandroba's behest and does not raise suspicions against those sandroba bargained for him NOT TO KILL (protact and foolishness). He in fact is in tight allegiance with these players. His actions are not those of town and I am convinced we have a mafia mayor. We are an hour from the beginning of day 4. I will be campaigning full-on for this man's death. IF YOU DO NOTHING ELSE READ THE SUMMARY. I know this is a long ass post but BC his incredibly suspicios right now. More so than BM. 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