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On January 17 2012 08:50 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:04 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
@Meapak I think adding a 4th candidate in Macpo is a good idea. I'm not fine with voting Sandroba off or Protact. I need to think more about GGQ. Protact was one of the first to go after Cyr and Sandroba was as well, I don't know why these two are considered a good lynch for Day 2. Meapak I've been really happy with your play today, are you willing to go for Macpo based on how he has been posting ?
I called you out earlier for voting for protact for no reason, and then now you want to go and defend him saying he was one of the first to go after ciry. You mean until he changed to wanting to lynch BC, when Ciry was obviously more scummy? Looks to me like he was trying to bus a weaker scum. Seems kind of early to me, but go read ciry's posts, or check your inbox. He was obvious mafia.
I'm only defending him in the sense I think we have a better lynch today.
He changed who he wanted to lynch, but he never took suspicion off of Ciry. (Read his large post on Scum that he posted before the Day ended). And yes its obvious now that Ciry is mafia, thanks for pointing that out.
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We have a few hours left till lynch and the majority is definitely on Macpo for now. I'm fine with this as I still think theres a good chance hes red .
At the start of the day remember that Meapak brought up that we want to keep the candidate pool small. He provided Sandroba / Protactinium / GGQ as our "primary targets". I then added Macpo to that list thanks to primarily my re-read and thoughts on Protactiniums post that Macpo is red .
As this day has went on, the two lurkers here GGQ + Macpo haven't posted much and this has led people to worry that perhaps they are just lynching a lurker and the lack of opposition to it makes them think that it will be a town flip. However I would like to point out that it would be practically impossible to "defend" macpo or GGQ based on their posts so far, so it makes sense that no one has went out in his defense solidly yet. I still believe our logic for lynching him is good and would like to get a red out of this lynch. If you haven't voted for a double lynch tomorrow please do.
On to someone else who I really feel is red. I feel like we have lots of good candidates from this post here :
+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote:READ CAREFULLY! DON'T LOSE THIS POST! REPOST MANY TIMESI am making this post as a way of compiling the thoughts of the few people in this game who are making sense and posting good analysis. A lot of it will be my own thoughts, but it's heavily based on a few people (should be obvious) who are the most transparent and the most obvious townies. 9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L. Secondary suspects: Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees. These 3 people have garnered attention from a few people but not from everyone, so they are listed as secondary candidates. I am of the belief that all 3 of these people are mafia. evantrees is already mentioned by Incog. I think Cyber_Cheese highlighted a good summary of chaosquo here. Most of it is similar arguments to Macpo. Bill Murray as red? I think so. Others have cast suspicion but there's not been a full analysis anywhere. A few people have commented that the election "feels" weird in some way, and I definitely sympathize. The votes for Bill Murray come across as the most suspicious: lots of random votes there. Personally I was surprised he even got into office (remember I was out all day so I saw the results without reading the previous 20 pages). I do realize I may have initially pushed him into candidacy, but I shall take responsibility for that and see to it that he's lynched in the near future. But to be simple: Bill Murray posted a lot, and got into office. Since then he's been pretty passive at the helm (so has BC I realize). That's good enough reason to warrant a ton of suspicion, as he should be actively scumhunting and posting without fear at this point. Remaining mafia candidates: Jackal, Opz, kingjames, zeks. Incog has an analysis against Jackal as we know. I am not on board with him being mafia yet. Traditionally when he is mafia he posts paragraphs, and not one-liners. However he warrants suspicion for having an apathetic attitude. Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better. kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this. zeks I felt strongly about yesterday, he made a bad post which is nothing like his normal outspoken attitude (though it's been a while since he's played I think). He has since asked for a replacement and hasn't posted, but should still be looked at in the future. Meapak_Ziphh is someone I would like to throw out there as a candidate (which shouldn't be a surprise from the few of my recent posts). What has Meapak done this game? Tried to get GGQ lynched, and unfortunately that's about all he's tried to do. There is a very aggressive push from him to kill this guy, which I find a little suspicious and slightly out of character.
Mafia: Macpo, GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh. Substitute a few off candidates and I think we've found our 9: Jackal, BrownBear, zeks, Munk-E, other random inactive player goes here. DONT LOSE THIS POST ITS SO IMPORTANT!Writing all that I think the usefulness of this post is immediately made clear. The most prominent townies and the ones doing the analysis are all right on most of their reads. It's just each person has found 2-3 mafia on their own, and most of the time they are all different. Pooling this information together I realize it's hard to call anyone and their analysis wrong, as when you analyze the big picture everything fits together. Anyone in their right mind would look at this game and think "wow this atmosphere is perfect for the mafia". Ver once told me that lots of times it's easier to find the mafia when the town atmosphere sucks because they will not be the ones causing chaos and disruption. Instead they will be sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show while the townies flail around. Look at all the names I've listed above. Everyone (yes everyone on that list) is guilty of apathy and does not have the interests of the town in mind. They are not thinking long term, or analyzing the big picture. They aren't playing the game, they are watching. MacpoMany others have said so, and though I may be biased, I still think it's best we lynch him today. I believe his case is still by far the strongest we have at the moment, especially since he has responded to his threats (with even more reason to kill him). At the time of writing GGQ has yet to say anything. We kill him (Macpo) today and spend the night figuring out who has the next best case. In the meantime, I'm going to be looking for connections between the above players to see if anyone can be ruled out or automatically included. IF YOU HAVE FINISHED READING AND YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE READ AGAINAlso, after sifting through this information, I feel we have a strong enough lead to start killing like there's no tomorrow. ##Vote: double lynch
I'd like to add my case against OpZ here as well.
His first post is as follows :
+ Show Spoiler +On January 13 2012 15:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 15:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
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LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. My campaign is to not make a campaign post, because they're all the same (except for foolishness' so far), and they're all useless. Generic Mayoral Campagin I think I am the best candidate to be voted into office, these are my credentials: - I am Town
- I promise to be active
- I always do bad as scum, so even if I'm scum you can catch me (Optional: Link or reference past games)
- I promise to lynch someone scummy (Or a lurker, or another mayoral candidate, or Kavdragon)
- I am the best townie who ever towned
- I like kittens and ponies, and everything innocent and pure
VOTE FOR ME!!!!!I think this adequately describes nearly every mayoral post we will see in this game. So, Foolishness, why do you think that Bill Murray is easier to read than any other player in the game? What games has he played, where he's shown his worth as a townie? I've only played with him twice, and they weren't exactly demonstrative of awesome play, but I don't think he was trying that hard. IIRC, Foolishness is one of the few people that actually....supports BM? Besides myself of course. And when you know BM...You just know BM...He's not that difficult of a read. (for Wiggs and Kita) I just think its rather funny Foolishness is pushing for someone else to be mayor, when he himself dies like almost every Day one. I would rather just vote for Foolishness to be completely honest, but Kitaman as of right now is who I'm thinking of. Past games I've played with him we was pretty damned good, and he's actually wanting the position. Are you planning on be really active Foolishness? Also, I probably need to go to fucking bed, 1:30EST and I work at 7...-_-
Right off the bat he wants to support BM because he is "easy to read" and has however posted no content on this matter afterwards. He then suggests that Kita and Wiggles can read him. (Kita + Wiggles were both shot at last night). Interesting so far...
His second post :
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The Mason this game is more just about whispering it looks like. It really isn't that strong in the game. They can't create circles or nothing. They can disseminate roles privately I suppose but the threat is always there that the mason is mafia. As you yourself might be BC. I don't really see too much power in the role as of the moment. Especially if you play the game as such as to ignore pms.
Starts off by saying that Mason is a weak roll. And that people should be worried the mason is mafia (after BC claimed). And then suggests ignoring PM's as an idea. Mason however isn't a weak roll at all.
Thirdly and weirdly :
+ Show Spoiler +On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus.
So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries*
Doesn't know about mass mason claim suggests the roll is bland, which I can understand. Doesn't want to feel like sheep. However eventually says that he is Mason #2 and that BC won't talk to him. Nothing honestly too weird here.
4th Post :
+ Show Spoiler +Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy.  Welcome back.
Wants to ignore PMS again. Its not highly logical at all, its actually the opposite. It removes all logic. However after this he says that hes still going to PM Bill. Really contradictory about the Mason roll.
He then flip flops entirely within 2 posts :
First he says
On January 14 2012 15:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:
As for Palmar, I'll admit I'm seeing a difference, but I've seen this same argument against Palmar a few times. Everyone seems to attack him if he doesn't do his usual posting for mayor or what not. I'd rather he contribute more than what he has. As of right now I find him a very viable lynch candidate.
Then :
I suppose anytime is a good time, just I don't think using a mayor lynch to lynch a power player like him is a smart move. Thats really what I meant by not a good time to go after him.
Claiming not to trust him is the truest thing I've ever said, and I say it every game. I don't like following people just because they say thats the best way. I'm not gonna be sheeped around.
And I just asked you about Protact because I was asking somebody elses opinion about it also. I just wanted some discussion on a player
So he at first suggests lynching Palmar then doesn't want to go after him because he is a "power player" if I'm correct in understanding this. Also HERE IS A HUGE MISTAKE. When he says that he just asked about Protact because "I just wanted some discussion on a player". Why would you say this? You don't want just discussion on a player. You want to find out what the player and the poster thinks in depth and why. You were so against Protact and then say this its horrible. You just want their opinion and discussion... you should want to know if they are Mafia or not.
Next post : Completely unhelpful to town players :
On January 14 2012 16:17 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 16:12 Scamp wrote:On January 14 2012 16:08 Mattchew wrote:
foolishness would have stuck with only bill murray had I not mason'd him. Now he pushes for me and bill because to him I am safe. With this post, you will not be getting my vote, unless you post something of substance really, really soon. Could not of said it better myself. But now that he mentions it, where the hell is BM? I'm not sold that any of the mayor candidate have a proper direction right now, and for all declaring they'd be active, they seem to be lacking.
He is VERY sure Mattchew is blue :
On January 15 2012 07:23 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm changing my vote to mattchew for reasons that I find completely obvious. Everyone else should also.
However at this point there was no reason to think he was blue, at least no real reason any better then to think BC or even Opz is blue. All he had done was claim Mason. Its somewhat a good point for you that you wanted to vote for him, however at this point it was not completely obvious.
THEN EVEN THOUGH HE IS VERY SURE ABOUT MATTCHEW; He changes his vote to L!!!!
On January 15 2012 08:22 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I like L's direction his post carries. They like all the extraneous drama that everyone elses had. He's also a notable scum hunter, and very successful at it. I think I'm leaving my vote for him on him actually.
No reason for this!! Only reason would be because he knows Mattchew is blue, so he just wanted to post that he thought he wasn't guilty and then to possibly go on to someone that is mafia. (Good chance L is mafia if OpZ flips red or at least slightly better chance)
Going to post this now, because I don't want it to get too long. The rest of his posts are calling out Lanaia for being scum. When pressured why he thinks this by me he suggests that hes already posted the why. However he hadn't. He then posts the why which basically is "shes not posting much interesting information". Its not because she looks scummy or has acted scummy, its simply because shes not posting much to help town. Which may seem like a good reason, but I really feel its not that great. This is his complete evidence for why Lanaia is mafia :
+ Show Spoiler +Oh, I'm sorry. Must I dredge up all the evidence of why I feel that way. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=64#1267"I really liked L up until he asked about the vig shot. However, he's redeemed himself since in my eyes. I like his posting style." L even asked her, how did he redeem himself? Because he hadn't done shit since then. Then she says "If three people hadn't just switched to WBG all at once, I would have voted him. It just feels kinda weird. I mean, I know it's not the end of the cycle and it won't push him into the win (iirc), but... " and just leaves it at that. Fine. Okay. The obvious reason is, despite claiming to want to, she's too concerned with looking suspicious to follow what she claims to want to do. Almost all of her posts consist of this as a premise. Being concerned about looking suspicious and voicing this concern. No real meat. When asked to point out people she would lynch today? She picks two people I'd consider lurkers. Two people least likely to defend themselves. Although the posts as of late, have been more town related, I'm still highly suspect, and would get behind a lynch.
So, if I do happen to die this night, I'd like this case to be top priority for tomorrow and I'm bringing it up early as I think he is red .
~OpZ~ the Mafia
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2012 07:23 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm changing my vote to mattchew for reasons that I find completely obvious. Everyone else should also. On January 15 2012 08:22 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I like L's direction his post carries. They like all the extraneous drama that everyone elses had. He's also a notable scum hunter, and very successful at it. I think I'm leaving my vote for him on him actually. On January 15 2012 03:58 jcarlsoniv wrote:Mattchew was walking to the post office to send a letter to his friend. He also had his bundle of campaign posters in his bag ready to post around the town. All of a sudden, he noticed a large shadow directly above him. Before he could look up to see what it was, he was crushed under the massive weight of the object. As a crowd gathered 'round to look at the book that fell from the sky, they knew that the Fates had taken matters into their own hands. Mattchew the Mason has been modkilled.+ Show Spoiler +Seriously though, guys. Everyone go back and read the rules right now. Ignorance will not be tolerated.
(Time stamped posts above) True, I did just read your filter, but I also took it in context mostly. I saw that between your two posts (voting for Mattchew and then L) Mattchew had not died. I didn't even think of the possibility that you would vote for a dead person. Turns out I was wrong.
You're also right you weren't implying Kita / Wiggles knew BM. Your parenthesis use was confusing to me. However you do still say that you do (know how BM posts when Mafia and that he is easy to read) and yet you've never posted again about it after that.
The rest of my post isn't out of context, or wrong or a lie. And you mention twice about the Mattchew --> L thing was in the wrong time. I feel like your defense is just showing that you are really angry at this and probably not thinking that well about it.
You ignore how you switched from wanting to lynch Palmar to not wanting to and some other points I've broughten up. Even in your defense you have a huge contradiction. You say :
"Holy fucking shit son. I haven't been the harbinger of Protact is mafia or anything this game. Oh no. I asked Scamp, WHO HAS BEEN MIGHTY QUIET, about Protact changing from Ciryandor to wanting to lynch BC, WHO I HAD the strongest town read on. Get this trash out of my face you protact following scum. I've done pointed out you buddying him once."
So hes not the harbringing that Protact is mafia but he is pointing him out that I'm a protact following scum and then :
"You mad cuz I pointed you out for buddying your scum buddy protact?"
So he is really sure that both myself and Protact are both mafia. I've been agreeing with what Protact has said, however even in my defense I only say that I think there are better lynches today then him. So hes said here that he isn't always saying Prot is scum, but says it twice in his post.
Another thing to try and take away the attention from you is you say that I make no mention of my reason for voting Protactinium. My reason was posted to you a few pages ago. Someone linked my original post way back when I made it. Why are you blatantly taking something out of context when you know its out of context. Here is my post for why I voted for him :
On January 14 2012 07:29 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
As for why I'm voting for Protactinium for Mayor :
He straight up goes after who he thinks is posting badly. I feel like everyone else has simply said they'll do this, while Protactinium is actually doing it.
This post just makes you even more guilty in my eyes. I'm trying really hard to adjust my reads this game if I find they are wrong, and on you I'm really sure I'm just right.
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Just gonna leave this here...
On January 13 2012 15:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 15:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
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LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. My campaign is to not make a campaign post, because they're all the same (except for foolishness' so far), and they're all useless. Generic Mayoral Campagin I think I am the best candidate to be voted into office, these are my credentials: - I am Town
- I promise to be active
- I always do bad as scum, so even if I'm scum you can catch me (Optional: Link or reference past games)
- I promise to lynch someone scummy (Or a lurker, or another mayoral candidate, or Kavdragon)
- I am the best townie who ever towned
- I like kittens and ponies, and everything innocent and pure
VOTE FOR ME!!!!!I think this adequately describes nearly every mayoral post we will see in this game. So, Foolishness, why do you think that Bill Murray is easier to read than any other player in the game? What games has he played, where he's shown his worth as a townie? I've only played with him twice, and they weren't exactly demonstrative of awesome play, but I don't think he was trying that hard. IIRC, Foolishness is one of the few people that actually....supports BM? Besides myself of course. And when you know BM...You just know BM...He's not that difficult of a read. (for Wiggs and Kita) I just think its rather funny Foolishness is pushing for someone else to be mayor, when he himself dies like almost every Day one. I would rather just vote for Foolishness to be completely honest, but Kitaman as of right now is who I'm thinking of. Past games I've played with him we was pretty damned good, and he's actually wanting the position. Are you planning on be really active Foolishness? Also, I probably need to go to fucking bed, 1:30EST and I work at 7...-_-
You say you can't read him like that and then post 10 lines of games you've played with him showing you do know him and then say nothing important. You say "I havn't seen anything blatant from him". If your not mafia you are so insanely contradictory.
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So you said hes not difficult, and you also don't think hes easy.
Also I read all of the post that was cut off, you made it very vague. Just trying to write my entire post off as untrue because of two times when I misinterpreted your vague chat is wrong. Its not the individual points that make an argument, but all of it taken together. And the whole post taken together isn't "not in context and false". And you saying
On January 13 2012 15:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:
And when you know BM...You just know BM...He's not that difficult of a read.-
REALLY implies you think hes an easy read.
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On January 18 2012 10:36 Lanaia wrote:My gut is saying "lynch BM for not making any goddamn sense in his actions." My brain says to lynch someone who feels scummier (aka macpo). dammit, what do I do... I have 1 hour 45 minutes to decide. I'm sure you guys don't think it's worth it to lynch macpo. However, if BM is lynched today, we lose something potentially lifesaving (however it appears to be in the wrong hands). On the other hand, it might be better to just get rid of him and spare us the trouble. I'm sure you can imagine my surprise when I got the notification of having been incarcerated. Okay... Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 10:24 ~OpZ~ wrote:On January 18 2012 10:09 jaj22 wrote:
@OpZ: Given that you think BM is easy to read, what do you reckon about his play so far?
For Foolishness maybe. I can't read BM like that. I like him, and used to PM him regularly. I've always said I'd cohost a game with him. He's prone to bouts of tyranny when he has power or a power role (see -TL maf 30, where he was Ninja [i don't know if its in thread, but it might be in the post game discussion, he threatened our town circle repeatedly because he wanted us to give up the other Ninja, whom was BC], and games he has hosted), so it makes his use of his sheriff power on Lanaia somewhat understandable. If Bill Murray has a power he will use it. As for his direction, and all that jazz? His posts are what he's thinking at any given time, and he distrusts atleast one of us masons. Other than that I haven't seen anything blatant from him. If you are telling the truth, then this post gave me my decision. I'm not voting BM today. I think. Hell, we can afford to give him another day, no? I've never played with him outside of IRC before so I'll take your word for it.
Can't you tell from the vote count that it doesn't matter if you vote BM or ANYONE at this point? You think that ~OpZ~ saying he can read BM and can't read BM in the same post makes you not want to lynch BM? (If you trust him, which you then say you do ?) Care to explain this a bit more?
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@Opz were you joking that you think BM is scum?
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@Opz I don't even care if you were joking, can you write up a case on him? Instead of trying to push me into writing another case, why don't you write one? (The reason I ask if your joking is because you have now flip flopped about if BM is easy to read or not a couple of times here, so curious which way you really feel.)
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Well, I'd recommend we choose several candidates keeping it to 7-8 (double 3-4 because of the double lynch) and lynch two from there.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote:READ CAREFULLY! DON'T LOSE THIS POST! REPOST MANY TIMESI am making this post as a way of compiling the thoughts of the few people in this game who are making sense and posting good analysis. A lot of it will be my own thoughts, but it's heavily based on a few people (should be obvious) who are the most transparent and the most obvious townies. 9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L. Secondary suspects: Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees. These 3 people have garnered attention from a few people but not from everyone, so they are listed as secondary candidates. I am of the belief that all 3 of these people are mafia. evantrees is already mentioned by Incog. I think Cyber_Cheese highlighted a good summary of chaosquo here. Most of it is similar arguments to Macpo. Bill Murray as red? I think so. Others have cast suspicion but there's not been a full analysis anywhere. A few people have commented that the election "feels" weird in some way, and I definitely sympathize. The votes for Bill Murray come across as the most suspicious: lots of random votes there. Personally I was surprised he even got into office (remember I was out all day so I saw the results without reading the previous 20 pages). I do realize I may have initially pushed him into candidacy, but I shall take responsibility for that and see to it that he's lynched in the near future. But to be simple: Bill Murray posted a lot, and got into office. Since then he's been pretty passive at the helm (so has BC I realize). That's good enough reason to warrant a ton of suspicion, as he should be actively scumhunting and posting without fear at this point. Remaining mafia candidates: Jackal, Opz, kingjames, zeks. Incog has an analysis against Jackal as we know. I am not on board with him being mafia yet. Traditionally when he is mafia he posts paragraphs, and not one-liners. However he warrants suspicion for having an apathetic attitude. Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better. kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this. zeks I felt strongly about yesterday, he made a bad post which is nothing like his normal outspoken attitude (though it's been a while since he's played I think). He has since asked for a replacement and hasn't posted, but should still be looked at in the future. Meapak_Ziphh is someone I would like to throw out there as a candidate (which shouldn't be a surprise from the few of my recent posts). What has Meapak done this game? Tried to get GGQ lynched, and unfortunately that's about all he's tried to do. There is a very aggressive push from him to kill this guy, which I find a little suspicious and slightly out of character.
Mafia: Macpo, GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh. Substitute a few off candidates and I think we've found our 9: Jackal, BrownBear, zeks, Munk-E, other random inactive player goes here. DONT LOSE THIS POST ITS SO IMPORTANT!Writing all that I think the usefulness of this post is immediately made clear. The most prominent townies and the ones doing the analysis are all right on most of their reads. It's just each person has found 2-3 mafia on their own, and most of the time they are all different. Pooling this information together I realize it's hard to call anyone and their analysis wrong, as when you analyze the big picture everything fits together. Anyone in their right mind would look at this game and think "wow this atmosphere is perfect for the mafia". Ver once told me that lots of times it's easier to find the mafia when the town atmosphere sucks because they will not be the ones causing chaos and disruption. Instead they will be sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show while the townies flail around. Look at all the names I've listed above. Everyone (yes everyone on that list) is guilty of apathy and does not have the interests of the town in mind. They are not thinking long term, or analyzing the big picture. They aren't playing the game, they are watching. MacpoMany others have said so, and though I may be biased, I still think it's best we lynch him today. I believe his case is still by far the strongest we have at the moment, especially since he has responded to his threats (with even more reason to kill him). At the time of writing GGQ has yet to say anything. We kill him (Macpo) today and spend the night figuring out who has the next best case. In the meantime, I'm going to be looking for connections between the above players to see if anyone can be ruled out or automatically included. IF YOU HAVE FINISHED READING AND YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE READ AGAINAlso, after sifting through this information, I feel we have a strong enough lead to start killing like there's no tomorrow. ##Vote: double lynch
I'd be happy including Toad and Schworz into this list and choosing two from it to lynch. Again the importance of what I'm saying here is lets keep it to these 8-9 and find a good reason for who we lynch.
GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh, Toad, Schworz (This is already 10, but I'd like to lynch from this pile of candidates if possible) I feel like adding 1-2 to the list is fine, but I'd like to see it stay small so we can get the best reads from these people and choose correctly on who to lynch.
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On January 19 2012 06:12 blahz0r wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 04:30 GGQ wrote:
As day 1 was coming to close, Protact was leading the mayor vote and promising to lynch Macpo after already calling out ciryandor. It's possible he's scum bussing two teammates but that's not likely enough to be seriously considered at this point.
It's far more likely that the scum are players trying to distract from lynching these two on day 1, like wherebugsgo pushing hard on palmar all day, supersoft joining him, BC lynching palmar. Looking at the KP formula. I think that wouldn't be a bad idea on Mafia's part. Look at this scenario: He gets two of his teammates killed, that leaves 8/10 remaining. They have enough members to still kill every night and we fall into his trap of believing he is definitely town. I think if he gets another killed, dropping the Mafia KP by 1, that he would be safely deemed town. Still reading =x
There are ways to become a "safely deemed town" person. However just because they find mafia like this doesn't make them town for sure. As long as he keeps finding Mafia its great, its townie. You just have to notice when peoples interests seem to change. Or their logic is different or they stop finding mafia. I don't think anyone is "safely deemed town" yet.
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On January 19 2012 07:15 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 06:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All medics, foolishness and protract are your responsibility tonight to defend.
This is no accusation whatsoever! just a new player question!is it good to distribute medics? because if I were scum, I'd probably not shoot them anymore. While you achieved to save those two lifes, the chance of a medic safe decreases, because medics will (likely) protect them (maybe they'd do anyway). So in what situations is it good to say things like that? Seriously, not arguing with your reasoning here, rather curious. Thanks
Argue with there reasoning. Its wrong reasoning.
Medics choose 4-5 people you think are safe and save one of them. If one of them happens to be Prot / Foolishness great. I think they are two good choices. However telling medics to only save those two is wrong. You want medics to have more WIFOM then two. I don't like this whole naming 2 people and force protecting them. Its almost like claiming we have two confirmed town. Now don't get me wrong, there reads are what have netted us two mafia and I think its great that you save them, but I think we(town) have a better chance of blocking a mafia shot if we don't say for sure who we are saving.
Your logic is good BC, about our chances of a save decreasing. So, thats another reason I'm saying don't just blindly put your save on these two. If BC has been masoned with Prot this whole time, then they both should know not to say this. Even more reason not to put the save for sure on only Prot.
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On January 19 2012 12:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:![[image loading]](http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/115/b/f/bloody_dawn_by_elaineselene-d3evvde.jpg)
TL Mafia L: Day 3 Start
the Mafia Godfather (would check as Medic) has been killed. Liquid`Sheth the Vigilante has been killed. Adam4167 the Vigilante has been killed. Maxella and rtgICEMAN the Townies have been modkilled.
Yea I wanna fight about it.
GL guys! 
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On January 19 2012 12:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Mod note: Replacements will no longer be accepted seeing as we're already 3 days into the game. Those who can no longer participate will be promptly modkilled.
Obs QT please?
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Thanks for the wonderful game. Had a lot of fun.
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Also WBG, I'm glad I changed my view on you. Thought you were mafia at start, but by the end I thought you were pretty townie.
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