Kurumi: BM
Pandain: Qatol
Kavdragon: Chezinu
Sandaroba: Ver
Syllogism: Meapak_Zipph?
kenpachi: Ace?
Meapak_Zipph could also be Ace.
Foolishness: Bumatlarge
Did I miss anyone?
btw Great work with erasing the inventor there Pandain.
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Kurumi: BM Pandain: Qatol Kavdragon: Chezinu Sandaroba: Ver Syllogism: Meapak_Zipph? kenpachi: Ace? Meapak_Zipph could also be Ace. Foolishness: Bumatlarge Did I miss anyone? btw Great work with erasing the inventor there Pandain. | ||
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On the bottem right corner of this it says to lynch Mig. Who wrote that? | ||
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Pandain, if you're here, you should probably claim your role etc before you die..! (also wtf town? I go to bed and theres only 4 or 5 new posts!?) | ||
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ok! #vote aidnai | ||
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And I'm not acting lackluster! I always play like this. This is me excited!!!! See? that was four exclaimation marks. That means that sentence is FOUR times as exciting as this sentence! My role list: Personalities Jackal: L Kurumi: BM Pandain: Qatol Kavdragon: Chezinu Sandaroba: Ver Syllogism: Meapak_Zipph? kenpachi: RoL Meapak_Zipph: could be Ace. Foolishness: Bumatlarge Curu: Foolishness Walton: Aidnai I think that's everyone. | ||
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Kav, I really want to know what it is that you do that gets you lynched day1, because I would love to know your tricks for games where I'm village idiot. I'd like to make it clear: I believe Kav on this. If he was scum he could come up with a much better plan to stay under the radar. All he'd have to do is keep posting spam; that's all chez would do anyway and nobody would lynch Kav for it. But he's not; anybody with a pulse would be able to tell you that there's a meaning behind his spam. Kav is speaking to us through his role. I'll bet you anything that at least one of the people voting for him is scum, trying to start/hop on the bandwagon, and the other two people voting are just stupid townies. TLDR; he's not scum, town is DERR idiots. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=254766 | ||
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hosts, could we get a list of the votes and who has/hasn't voted so far? | ||
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On August 15 2011 06:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: .......Seriously, what the fuck is this shit. Why is no one calling out tnkted for random finger pointing, sheeping, and posting a list that as of day 1 is near useless. What benefit does town actually gain from knowing who is who? Aside from the obvious issues of someone fake claiming their name. However, spending time like he has been speculating on names is useless as the next leap someone in town will make is x name = alignment or x name = role. Quit it now and analyze based on play -_- Also, until he comes in to explain his vote, I am voting fishball as I have yet to see a single post by him. Actually, I've only accused two people. Decon reacted 'townilly' to my own (and others) accusation, which means I'm willing to let him be for now. And sheeping? Lol? I believe I was the first to support decon, and I was also the first to throw my weight behind Kav. Meanwhile, you've done... what exactly? Get your ass in the thread. And if you don't like me posting lists, you should reread the first post where I did so. If you don't like it, that's too fucking bad. Personalities Jackal: L Kurumi: BM Pandain: Qatol Kavdragon: Chezinu Sandaroba: Ver Syllogism: Meapak_Zipph? kenpachi: RoL Meapak_Zipph: could be Ace. Foolishness: Bumatlarge Curu: Foolishness Scamp: Somebody not big name | ||
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Also... don't we get to see what his role was? | ||
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Also, On August 15 2011 20:57 Chezinu wrote: I will not disclose all my notes or analysis of players at this time. I believe it wouldn’t be wise to do so. I WILL Personalities Jackal: L Kurumi: BM Pandain: Qatol Kavdragon: Chezinu Sandaroba: Ver Syllogism: Meapak_Zipph? kenpachi: RoL Meapak_Zipph: could be Ace. Foolishness: Bumatlarge Curu: Foolishness Bolded names are the ones that have claimed or that I'm fairly sure of. Ken isn't bolded because, counter to what everyone is saying, roleclaiming dt early is a maneuver RoL doesn't have a monopoly on. | ||
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In unrelated news, should we be talking about sandroba right now? Yes, you all know what I'm talking about, I'm talking about that. | ||
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I can count 5 off the top of my head. Perhaps someone with more experience in PM games can tell me more, but I don't trust this, it feels to me like a medic draw. All medic protect sandaroba and then the mafia suicide bombs him, killing everyone BUT him; I can see something like that happen, and who here honestly doubts that we have a suicide bomber in this game? That being said, if we can confirm sandaroba's cred, we need to protect him at all costs. Mason circles are a good thing for town, but I don't believe in trusting blindly, and I prefer to have everybody sitting at the same table when I'm playing cards. | ||
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On August 16 2011 01:48 ghrur wrote: Now, on to scum. Day 1 was a catastrophe. Town did not maintain a good atmosphere whatsoever. Kurumi is HUGELY to blame. He has like 6 pages of posts ALONE. >_> Vigi him. I don't care if he's banned; I don't want his spam clogging up out thread. I don't want him to be doing that shit when he comes back. No, because Kurumi was not the only one talking. Go back and read. Jackal and Kurumi were arguing, as well as kav and aidnai, as well as half a dozen other people. Kurumi has posted only a few total spam posts (the pokemon ones) and those are arguably a form of roleclaiming, since it was through the pokemon posts that jackal began his spampain to lynch BM. What you're doing here is assigning all of the blame in a situation to one person, while ignoring the contributions of others. I'm not calling that a scumtell, but it's bad logic and poor reasoning. I don't think Kavdragon is Mafia. Mafia wouldn't suggest 1:1 lynch, and mafia definitely wouldn't push someone as hard as Kav did. Sounds like some easy loopholes. All mafia has to do is those exact things next time and you'd be completely fooled! That said, I agree that kav is probably not mafia. Unluckily for him, I don't have a gun I can withold from shooting him with, so he's going to have to demonstrate his town with something else, IE a complete roleclaim. I also don't think Kenpachi is any form of DT because it'd be retarded to out yourself day 1 like that. Also, if he were DT, he'd actually mount a case instead of just spam vote jackal and crap. It's pretty obvious to me that ken is acting out his personality, as are many of the people whose behavior you've judged as 'unnatural'. Most people have agreed that ken is probably RoL, who is well known for claiming dt and fingering the mafia godfather on the first day. Well, who is mafia then? tnkted. Many of you have suggested LSB, and I agree with that sentiment too, but I think the two are linked indirectly and tnkted seems more likely to be scum. Here's why. Show nested quote + On August 14 2011 00:59 tnkted wrote: On August 14 2011 00:46 syllogism wrote: What's the point in personality speculation and fishing at this stage? You should keep notes of your thoughts rather than voicing them in the thread unless you've a reason for it. The thread is already quite unreadable with all the supposed posting restriction related spam. Even if you have a posting restriction you don't have to be so obnoxious about it as there's always some leeway no matter what the PM stipulates. WRONG Know what personality people have is very useful for town. Outing roles is lame, but knowing personality can help us understand clues that somebody might be hinting at without revealing anything. BTW guys pay attention to everyone's first couple posts. That's when we'll see the personality coming out the most, as people have fun with the roleplaying. (PS Syllogism is meapak_zipph) I completely disagree with the sentiment expressed here, and it leads town away from scum hunting. We're here to kill scum, like always. We're not here to find out people's personalities. It's not really useful at all. You have said exactly nothing here. WHY are we not here to find out peoples personalities? What follows is a logical arrangement of your arguement: 1.I disagree with Tnkted 2.Tnkted's idea leads town away from scumhunting 3.We want to kill scum 4.We are not here to find out peoples personalities 5.Tnkted's idea is not useful at all Of the above, only 2 is actually a reason why what i said is wrong, but you don't support that reasoning at all. 4 is an assertion you simply state without any reasoning. It's also false, for reasons I can't get into right now. Show nested quote + On August 14 2011 02:37 tnkted wrote: I don't think we should lynch kurumi. I don't think trolls are likely to be scum, and if they are they are the sort of scum that I feel we can safely ignore for the time being. Since they aren't creating a hostile town atmosphere and anyone they push to lynch probably won't end up dying, we can ignore them for now. This post is extremely scummy. Soft-defending Kurumi, and basically softly encouraging him to continue spamming. If there's no repercussions for spamming, why stop right? Furthermore, he says it doesn't create a hostile town atmosphere. That's just wrong. The reason why town's atmosphere went to shit day 1 is because of trolls. This guy is just supporting that. He's saying, don't lynch the trolls, don't push the trolls, and hey, they're not hurting you guys either. Why would any townie want to do that? No reason. Why would mafia want to do that? So they can hide in the spam, make shitty posts and get away with it, and ruin Town's discussion for lynches. Mafia play right here. This is a moot point anyway, since kurumi is banned and isn't playing anymore. But I'm not encouraging him to continue spamming, I'm encouraging him to continue acting out his role. We don't know what roles people have, or how they work; its obvious at this point that some people have posting restrictions. Do you even understand what and how town atmosphere works? Spamming doesn't generate a hostile town atmosphere in and of itself; all it does is make it more difficult for people to read the thread. Tunnel spamming is different, and that's what happened here (I explain this because I don't think you understand the distinction). The town atmosphere is damaged when nobody can trust each other, when dts are undermined by counter dts and nobody can tell who is telling the truth or not. Let me ask you: is there anyone that we can all agree is town, who we can rely on to act in a forthright and intelligent (or at least predictable) manner conductive to our interests? Are there several such people? Are they working together? If yes, then you'll understand a good town atmosphere. Fact is, I think we're doing ok. Sure we missed on the first lynch, but we also got enough people for a majority lynch. Do you know how difficult it is in regular games to get such a lynch off on the first day? It's not easy. More than half the players in the game have to agree to lynch the SAME person. The fact that we were able to come together to kill aidnai is a sign of vitality IMO, although I'm sure others would disagree. Oh, and we were essentially relying on the word of Kavdragon, who we all assumed was some sort of dt. Given aidnai's flip ('evil' chezinu), I'm not suprised at why he thought we should flip aidnai. Show nested quote + On August 14 2011 12:11 tnkted wrote: Jackal: L Kurumi: BM Pandain: Qatol Kavdragon: Chezinu Sandaroba: Ver Syllogism: Meapak_Zipph? kenpachi: Ace? Meapak_Zipph could also be Ace. Foolishness: Bumatlarge Did I miss anyone? btw Great work with erasing the inventor there Pandain. Another post I want to outline for two reasons. One, completely avoids LSB who is, pretty obviously, Ace. Why would town avoid addressing town? I don't know. Why would mafia do that? So the link isn't there. Derp. Also, the list is pointless and seems more like one of those "contributing while not actually contributing" shenanigans for town cred. Who does that? Right, mafia. So, 1.This list isn't complete! He must be scum, protecting his buddy's role. Why is LSB Ace? Does Ace have a monopoly on calling people idiots? Lets see: You're an idiot. Nothing happened, I think we're ok. I don't think LSB is ace, and until you can convince me otherwise he's not going on the list. 2. This list is pointless anyway So you accuse me of leaving somebody off the list, and use that to call me scum, and then you say that the list is pointless anyway? So is the list a useful tool or not? I remind you at this point that, as of yet, you have STILL to explain why listing people's apparent roles is a bad thing. You think mafia doesn't already have such a list? I think it's a good thing, and whats more, I'm obligated to do so by my role. Suck it. Show nested quote + On August 15 2011 02:05 tnkted wrote: Since nobody is saying anything.......... ok! #vote aidnai Oh, okay, so he had an analysis on Deconduo (albeit poor), then just suddenly switches to aidnai! Great idea! Bandwagon onto the townie whom you haven't talked about until randomly deciding to vote him! You conveniently ignored the post where I said I was cutting decon some slack due to his towny response to my pressure. I've already explained my aidnai push above. Picking and choosing which quotes make your subject look scummy while ignoring the rest is at best, bad town play and at worst stupid scumplay. Show nested quote + On August 15 2011 03:14 tnkted wrote: RoL has enough time to blog.. perhaps he forgot about the game? Or he has a posting restriction. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=254766 Throwing out a soft FoS. Seems like he wants to get a random lynch started... Never mentions it again. That's scum play right there. Hints town towards a lynch, nudges town along, then back off and seem like he wasn't even a part of it. You can call things 'soft FoS' if you think the semantics make you look cool, but the rest of us call it 'pressure' because we aren't huge dorks. RoL still has posted very little, mostly one liners. I think he might be kenpachi if anything. Show nested quote + On August 15 2011 13:54 tnkted wrote: Kav, you need to claim your entire role or you're going to get vigi'd mighty quick. Also... don't we get to see what his role was? He says we should vigi Kav right? Like, the guy who actually ardently pushed for a lynch. The guy who he thinks isn't actually scum. BUT WAIT! Show nested quote + On August 16 2011 00:00 tnkted wrote: No, vigs, don't hit kurumi. Unless palmar meant youngminii? I have no opinions one way or the other on that, I have no read on YM. In unrelated news, should we be talking about sandroba right now? Yes, you all know what I'm talking about, I'm talking about that. Let's NOT hit Kurumi, the guy who's been spamming the thread to hell and destroying the town atmosphere. Wtf. Honestly, tnkted is just promoting a bad atmosphere. Mafia is the party with that agenda. Tnkted is mafia zzz try harder. TLDR; I don't think ghrur is scum, I just think he's using poor reasoning. | ||
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On August 16 2011 03:54 Chezinu wrote: Hey Guys! I'm a Bank. There is no need to go into detail of the powers that the bank possesses. The Bank is offering to reward of 10,000 cheznos to anyone who is able to identify Walton. If anyone would like to do business with me let me know. We are currently hiring as well. I think kav already said that Walton was aidnai. Pay up! I'm also interested in what positions are available...! | ||
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On August 16 2011 08:21 Jackal58 wrote: An answer to my PM would be most appreciated Incog. I'm confused. ^ | ||
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On August 16 2011 20:58 deconduo wrote: Theres something important that people seem to be missing: Show nested quote + Kurumi the Bill Murray was eaten by a shark. The inventor has invented a digital scale. Kurumi claimed inventor, but said Pandain stripped his powers. He flips vanilla townie which makes sense. HOWEVER, we get a message about the inventor. Not AN inventor, THE inventor. Pandain is clearly a role thief, and he is now the inventor. Or Kurumi is lying about his role. Btw... On August 16 2011 12:18 ghrur wrote: LSB's not Ace right? Clearly Ace doesn't have a monopoly on that picture either. >_> Keep on tnkted, keep on. Oh don't be a child. Fine, LSB is ace. You've convinced me. Speaking of which, Ghrur, I take it since you never responded to my big defense post, it was fairly convincing to you. What do you think about the people who hopped on that wagon who didn't even read my refutations, but were happy to use your initial suspicion? Personalities Jackal: L Kurumi: BM Pandain: Qatol Kavdragon: Chezinu Sandaroba: Ver Syllogism: Meapak_Zipph? kenpachi: RoL Foolishness: Bumatlarge Curu: Foolishness LSB: Ace] RoL: Kenpachi? I'm not sure... why would he be able to post more once BM was dead? Regarding last night: If LSB really targeted kita and then stupidly announced it in thread (Is that what happened? Really?) It's possible that the bus driver role (ie, me) is on the other team and Kita is scum, they bussed him out to save him. The other alternative is that LSB is scum and lied about his shot. Or Kita could be me and he bussed himself when he realized he was in danger. Either way, until we get more info, I'm hopping on the LSB wagon, just to see where it goes. #vote lsb | ||
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Personalities can be taken from (but are not limited to) the TL Mafia Quiz. Also, Incog told me specifically that they were probably going to use me as a personality (which, I will admit, I did find surprising). So suck it. Sure, you've asserted that LSB is Ace, but you never provided much proof, and I don't think you said so specifically in the thread. If you did, I'm sorry. I probably wasn't reading closely enough. Besides, you haven't been a very reliable player so far jackal, what with your post restriction and all. You've done nothing but tunnel a townie and while it's clear that this was due to your role, you have to admit that your posts so far have not been very full of analysis. You will forgive me for glossing over them. | ||
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On August 16 2011 21:59 ghrur wrote: Show nested quote + On August 16 2011 21:16 tnkted wrote: On August 16 2011 20:58 deconduo wrote: Theres something important that people seem to be missing: Kurumi the Bill Murray was eaten by a shark. The inventor has invented a digital scale. Btw... On August 16 2011 12:18 ghrur wrote: LSB's not Ace right? Clearly Ace doesn't have a monopoly on that picture either. >_> Keep on tnkted, keep on. Oh don't be a child. Fine, LSB is ace. You've convinced me. Speaking of which, Ghrur, I take it since you never responded to my big defense post, it was fairly convincing to you. What do you think about the people who hopped on that wagon who didn't even read my refutations, but were happy to use your initial suspicion? Lol, no, I'm not convinced at all. In fact, I've been wondering how you even read my post while skipping the rest of my posts, considering you had to ask whom I subbed out for. You're still pushing for the same agenda, even defending spam in an already crap-infested thread. You're still scum. Seriously? I didn't write down who you subbed for, you're using THAT as an excuse that I'm scum? You're still pushing for the same agenda, even defending spam in an already crap-infested thread. You're still scum. What, pray tell, is the agenda that I'm pushing for? I'm not pushing for anything right now except for a LSB (possible kita) lynch. What I'm amazed by is the fact that you are showing zero remorse for shooting a townie. Even if he was spamming (which, by the way, I still don't think he's doing) Great work with that, by the way. Regardless, I'm not arguing with you anymore, this is killing town vibe. If you think I'm scum vote me and see how that works out. @ everyone else: Is it possible that Kurumi created his invention and gave it to somebody before he died? | ||
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On August 17 2011 01:39 kitaman27 wrote: LSB, this is the third time I've had to ask you, but will you confirm that you can only shoot liars? This is Ace's role that incog gave with the invite pm: Show nested quote + Ace: You are a vigilante! However, there’s a catch: you may only shoot people who are lying. I never received any indication that I was hit, nor did I bus it away from me. He didn't claim his shot until night actions lock, so its not like I could prevent it, even if I wanted to. As for the green/blue role pms, don't claim publicly which one you have in the thread. For all we know, kav/chez could have a win condition to hunt all the blues. Bum, was your nuke real or was that another fake shot? Pandain, I'm not sure if you made the same connection as I did with red, but don't ban him yet. Would you be willing to share what your personality is redFF? It's not like we don't already know your Floridian role and it might be relevant, which I'll reveal later. Sandroba, you mentioned in pms that you decided not to contact me on day one because you thought I was Ace, but never had the chance to respond before you got role blocked? Could you explain your reasoning for not wanting to contact the Ace personality? Wiat, if LSB's role actually is that he can only shoot people who are lying, and he shot you, and you didn't die, that means 2 things 1. mafia has 3 kills or we have another vig 2. you're town. I am not scum ...Which means that the people pushing for a LSB/Kita lynch are wrong. I'm willing to buy that LSB's role is actually that from the invite PM. I know when to back down. ##unvote LSB | ||
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