Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia V

On July 22 2011 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:



All right Dragon, then we dispense with the pleasantries. I'm trying to create a pro-town environment. Tell me how that's scummy if you please. Clearly you agree with lynching randomly as Ace does, and his non-answer to my question apparently doesn't bother you because you're in perfect agreement about who you'd lynch given the reins. So let me pose this question to you, because I KNOW Ace has an answer for me.

What benefit does town get from lynching a random person?

On July 22 2011 11:49 Trotske wrote:


Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence.

On July 22 2011 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Dragon

Actually, you're saying I'm not helpful to YOU. I've answered Jacinto's questions to his satisfaction, where Ace has still failed to do so. Palmar seems to think my opening statements were fine. You're speaking for town when you shouldn't be. Let town speak for themselves. Vote for me if you really think I'm scummy, but don't put words in everyone else' mouths. Let them think for themselves.

On July 22 2011 11:59 Trotske wrote:


How can the town do worse than a RL day1.

On July 22 2011 12:01 VisceraEyes wrote:




You're continuing to insist that my posts aren't helpful to the inexperienced here in town. What you should be saying is that my posts aren't helpful to YOU. I'm not even TRYING to be helpful. I'm just posting what I've found from my limited experience what a beneficial environment to find scum in would be. Take it or leave it bro, that's totally up to you.

On July 22 2011 12:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
*shrugs* Half of town hasn't even showed up yet. We'll see who looks scummier when they have. At this point, I'm CERTAIN of Ace's alignment because he's so fucking good at this game and I'm Town...he'd be able to tell that even if he DIDN'T have more information to start.

On July 22 2011 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's just incredible how even DISAGREEING with Ace makes one look scummy. What I'm MOST interested in is how quickly Dragon boarded the Ace Freeway To Town Death. Take notes guys, this is mafia GOLD here.

On July 22 2011 12:31 aprudds wrote:
So VisceraEyes if your so against random lynch what would be your alternative? Sit around and do nothing while scum picks us off at night? Can you provide a better option backed up with reasoning other then "NO THATS BAD!!!!!"?

On July 22 2011 12:34 VisceraEyes wrote:


This is accurate - every post you've been VERY clear that you have NO opinion whatsoever.

Thanks for bringing that up.

On July 22 2011 21:26 Palmar wrote:
your mother.

But it's still interesting.

Ace proposes terrible plan, Jacinto and VE don't like it, DragonReborn actually likes it. Like.. would scum actually take the chance? The lynch isn't really 25% chance because the mafia can co-ordinate their votes, if they so please, so I think what DragonReborn did was stupid, but probably not scummy.

On July 22 2011 14:44 Sevryn wrote:
Just by suggesting a RL we have gotten alot of talk going I don't think anybody looks to scummy atm. However I can't say a RL is the type of risk I would want to take. it favors mafia so there is a 75% chance that town gets lynched and then we lose another to mafia overnight. i feel like we can make it alot less than 75% to lynch town with just good post analysis.

Here he sais that he doubts it's better to scumhunt than to RL. First of all, I think that it is a bit suspicious even to hold this view, but in later posts he keep contradicting himself.

Implying that he likes the idea of a RL, since this is what Ace is actually writing.

Here again. He sais he does not care if town RLs or not and that we can never do a good choice, but still he keeps doing very agressive posts about the matter. This doesn't make any sense to me. Why wouldn't he care, is he not interested in winning?

Again, very careful to show that he has no opinion what so ever, even though he has actually made som post leaning towards RL

Once again, he keeps saying he doesn't have an opinion, even though he fiercefully argues throughout the thread.

Also he is very fast on throwing accusations. Viscera, me and aprudds have allready been FoSed by him.

If he is not scum, he is just playing really, really oddly.

On July 23 2011 00:15 Palmar wrote:
By that I meant

DR422: tell me your thoughts on redFF.

On July 23 2011 01:30 aprudds wrote:

Your waving it again. I don't think you can even recognize it.

On July 23 2011 02:20 Palmar wrote:
yeah pyo, I would expect you to like random lynching, as you think voting for yourself is a good idea on day one.

So, how about it, we lynch you instead?

That list was completely uncalled for, making a list like that where he calls everyone town is just his way of trying to make friends as scum.

Why the fuck would you share your town reads as town? I don't really give a shit who he thinks is town, I want to know who he thinks is scum.

Like, I don't even think this is a questionable lynch, that shitty list just screams that he wants to contribute, make friends, but not commit to anything.

On July 23 2011 02:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
DR, what do you mean by 'forced'? I thought I knew, but I want to know what YOU mean when you say it. You've said it in almost ALL the posts regarding me you've made.

What do you mean when you say my posts look 'forced'?

On July 22 2011 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hmmmmm...ACE with the first scummy post. Go figure.

Ace, what possible information could be gleaned from deciding who to lynch based on randomness (if that's what you're proposing?) I'm relatively new, so forgive if this is something obvious that I just haven't picked up yet...

On July 23 2011 03:11 Lord Vatti wrote:
/suspicious look

I can't put my finger on it but it just gives this weird mafia VIBE that doesn't seem right... I dunno. Cant put it into words. Someone back me up here...

On July 23 2011 03:26 Trotske wrote:


By "playing safe" makes me a solid vote and yet people who look scummy to you are obv town? Is your head on backwards or is there something else going on here?

Basically saying the other person doesn't understand how good a list is without explaining why the list is good.

tell him to stop pressuring him without giving a reason as to why he shouldn't be pressured

once again using how experienced he is with mafia but how inexperienced he is on TL mafia as an excuse as to why his play is odd.

pointless post.

Basic a lot of his post seem to contradict each other. he claims to be super experienced but never explains why he does what he does. such as why the list is good instead of maybe your not used to lists. A large number of posts are useless and don't add anything while looking like they are doing something. He is the scummiest I am seeing at the moment.

On July 23 2011 06:05 Sevryn wrote:
I was refering to the post where your only reasoning was "palmar looks so scummy that he can't be a scum. he's just a confused villager imo"
This is just really bad town play by you.

On July 23 2011 06:24 Sevryn wrote:
That's not the point. I understand you think palmar looks scummy but how can you just say he looks scummy BUT hes probably being lazy
especially on day one when its such limited information if someone looks scummy you jump down their pants and grab hold of the short hairs till they convince you they are not.

On July 23 2011 14:04 Sevryn wrote:

Do you have any reasons to support your scum reads ATM?

On July 23 2011 20:02 Palmar wrote:
So you've gone from me being scum to me simply being detrimental to town?

The case against DR422 remains that he doesn't even commit to his own scum-reads, he's leaning heavy scum on VE and then votes for a random lurker. It's the safest possible play in the book. But then again, just like when you accused me of putting words in people's mouths and then promptly did it yourself, now you're accusing people of not reading the thread and then you do the same shit yourself again?

I don't even have second thoughts anymore, I'm pretty convinced DR422 is scum.

The worst part is that you call me detrimental to town, yet you defend someone on rather flimsy evidence, like there is nothing that should have you so convinced he's town... unless you of course already know his alignment, that's actually a possibilty.

On July 24 2011 00:01 Jacinto wrote:
I have reread, and even though I'm not as convinced as I was before, my vote will stay on DR. I still feel that he would be the best target for a d1 lynch. Chances are I will fall asleep in an hour or two, so I probably won't be around to be able to do a last minute vote.
Fingers crossed.

I agree with this.

As far as I can see a RL has a 9:3 chance of just making us down a townie and we don't even know if we have a DT, If we have a DT then there is a 50% chance of there being a Roleblocker also if the DT claims they then have a 50% chance of being useless.

Can someone please explain why a RL is better than a no lynch.

Could you point out the flaws in his reasoning? It seems to me that your posts have been more useless than his by bashing what he has to say and not supporting it at all other than saying "It has worked before" and not giving and evidence.

How can the town do worse than a RL day1.

Thank you, that's what I wanted a solid reason.

Sure ill comment,

I don't know what to think, DR seems like a douche but that doesn't mean hes scum I feel like all this back and forth between DR, VE, and Ace could be some elaborate plan to confuse the new players like me into getting behind one of these guys to lead them to a lynch.

The way I see our D1 lynch options are Inactive > one of DR, VE, or Ace > RL.

That's my view.

By "playing safe" makes me a solid vote and yet people who look scummy to you are obv town? Is your head on backwards or is there something else going on here?

I pop up when I have something useful to say otherwise I'm watching to see whats going on considering this is my first game and someone asked me to say something so I responded. I'm not sure how this is more scummy than say Sevryn or Fortress Fortune.

Seems to me that if you post a lot but have nothing to say == scum.
Don't post a lot because you have nothing useful to contribute == scum.
Keep telling everyone who you think could be scum from a couple of posts == townie?

Like I said in an earlier post my lynch list still has inactive people at the top but DR is getting up there because he keeps voting for someone different at the drop of a hat.

Yea sorry the word I meant to say wasn't vote. After re-reading most of the thread Your not near as suspicious as I thought you were but that's not to say I wont keep my eye on you.

what did you just edit?

DR I think your reason's for trying to make a wagon on me have more to do with you trying to save yourself and less about me being scum.

Please show me where I have acted as Scum and not just asked for clarifications on certain things due to the fact that this is my first game of mafia, EVER. This whole game I have tried to reason out some of the positions other people have held using logic and the Question "does this help the town?"

From what I understand your main reason to think that I am scum has to do with me lurking, which is not the case at all of what I was doing. What I have been doing this whole thread has been asking questions when I don't understand something or only talking when I have something useful to contribute aka not just posting to post.

If you think I am wrong anywhere in this post point it out and I will explain why I am not wrong or apologize for it.

##vote DragonReborn422

On July 24 2011 01:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Define definitives if you please.

On July 24 2011 01:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
What I find humorous about your post Dragon is that while you were posting that, I was literally looking through YOUR posts to see if I'm missing something, ANYTHING, that makes you seem less scummy. I can't find anything sir...but nothing is certain until the flip.

I've never thought he was scum because he was lurking

Wait wait wait...back up the truth train here a second. You were JUST insisting that I was lthe point entirely...that you thought I was scummy for my 'forced, unnatural, apparently-helpful-but-not-so-much posting'? I thought the RL discussion was 'interesting' to you? Now you're contradicting yourself too. Cool.

On July 24 2011 03:34 Sevryn wrote:
Just need one more vote from DR422 and he is the scummiest atm and the best d1 lynch.
so if someone would kindly vote for DR422 we can get the scum killing train on the tracks

On July 24 2011 03:43 Sevryn wrote:

dude its to late to try and make me your buddy by giving me some of your "townie points"

Hi guys.

So I'm going to start it off by saying Ace's plan is horrible and bad. Don't get caught up in his reputation, he knows what he's proposing is harmful to the Town. Why?

It's a complete waste of a day and night cycle. If you randomly generate a number, there's no discussion to be had in the day. Everyone policy lynches the guy and regardless of what he flips we have no information to go off the next day.

What bullshit is this? You don't care about the lynch? You don't care about the methods we take to find a lynch, and then you claim to be helping inexperienced players?

On July 24 2011 04:19 Curu wrote:
Your attitude and your posting are ridiculous. Drop the shit and play properly. It's your own fault if you are a Townie that you act like a lightning rod of hostility and anti Town behavior. If you're able to draw 7 votes to yourself without anyone really actively trying to paint you in a bad light, chances are it's your own damn fault. You're not better than anyone else here, stop acting like it. I'm willing to lynch you at this point just so you stop poisoning the thread.

It's all but given you're going to die today, so if you want to help Town then expand your thoughts/analysis before you go. Your prior behavior has ensured that you're not going to save yourself. All you've done is try to attack down anyone who votes for you and call them bad.

I don't know what sort of environment you like to play in but acting like an elitist asshole and belittling everyone else is just ensuring that no one will take your analysis seriously on top of being extremely hostile to the Town atmosphere, especially in a game that's designed for new players. They already don't have much confidence, direction or experience, posting like you're better than them and deserve some sort of special treatment while slamming them down is just going to turn them into scared sheep. Drop the attitude and maybe people will be more inclined to listen to you.

On July 24 2011 04:25 Curu wrote:
Laugh all the way to your lynch.

If this is your Town play then I think I speak for everyone on TL that we'd much prefer it if you go back to whatever elitist forum you came from.

On July 24 2011 04:32 redFF wrote:
Please don't ragequit just because you got lynched...