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all roles are randomly assigned, right? | ||
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On July 21 2011 07:10 Hesmyrr wrote: Ace joined? Oh shit. Looks like this game might be pretty interesting to follow along. I'll be relaxing this game so I won't be doing anything out of the ordinary. I'm just here to drink my champagne. | ||
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On July 22 2011 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote: Hmmmmm...ACE with the first scummy post. Go figure.  Ace, what possible information could be gleaned from deciding who to lynch based on randomness (if that's what you're proposing?) I'm relatively new, so forgive if this is something obvious that I just haven't picked up yet... Lots of new players(no meta) + I don't always take meta into consideration on Day 1. I'm also not going to wait for a Scum slip. I also don't want to know what the setup is until Day 2 when (if) the Detective has a chance to get off an investigation. So we can random lynch to kick things off, or go the traditional route and play the discussion game. Although if I was going to lynch someone you or Palmero over there would get the noose asap. | ||
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Secondly basing lynches off of purely meta are dangerous, and most importantly: useless much of the time. If you want to go the meta route then break down some players' meta for us and lets see what everyone thinks. @Jacinto: We can do random lynch via Mod by having him roll a number for us, or pick an unbiased source or random event (like sports score or timing of a home run) to lynch someone. | ||
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I'm not sure we have a Detective, but if he/she exists throwing up a random lynch and letting the pieces fall might help set their Scumdar in the right direction. | ||
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On July 22 2011 11:17 Trotske wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2011 11:06 Jacinto wrote: @Ace Allright, that makes more sense. However, I don't really see the point of random lynching. Sure, the DT could get an investigation, but we still don't know if we actually have a DT or even a doctor in the game. I don't get how random lynching could "kick things off", to the contrary, to me it seems that a RL would just keep the game stagnated. Could you explain more closely exactly how a RL would contribute to our cause? I agree with this. As far as I can see a RL has a 9:3 chance of just making us down a townie and we don't even know if we have a DT, If we have a DT then there is a 50% chance of there being a Roleblocker also if the DT claims they then have a 50% chance of being useless. Can someone please explain why a RL is better than a no lynch. It isn't always better, but in this game with so many new players and an uncertain setup why not kick it off this way? Then on Day 2 see what happens. | ||
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On July 22 2011 11:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Fair enough. So what, we're not good enough to play with you? We're...what, anti-town by existing?No and Yes  You guys have a weird ability to tunnel through anything, even Scum posting right before your eyes like RoL in CC Mafia. But I wouldn't REALLY vote for your lynch off of that because I've only seen it happen a few times and what happens in this game is far more important for my vote. | ||
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On July 22 2011 11:37 Jacinto wrote: @Ace So this is your answer to my last post, asking for clearification. Of course no one is gonna do a total scumslip d1(chances are that no one will anyway), but we can still harvest information. As you know, this game isn't about getting people to openly admit that they are scum, it's about making a plaussible case against someone you think is acting wierd. Also, we are not discussing meta at all. We are discussing very concrete stuff, namely what to do d1. If you can't get reads out of this sort of discussions, what could you get reads from? I feel that I have made my case pretty clear, but I am still not satisfied with the explaination for an RL that you have given. Please, explain more closely exactly how an RL would help us killing mafia in the long run(or even the short run for that matter). I've already explained myself as best I can but here goes again. My "meta" responses were in part based off the question VE asked earlier. Why random lynch? No meta to go off of + meta being sketchy in most circumstances Not going to play expecting a blatant Scum slip on Day 1 No knowledge of the setup yet until a possible DT claim or death of a power role My experience in these setups where people just generally dont know what do To see what happens just because I want to Add it all up and I'd rather start off with a random lynch. On July 22 2011 11:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Ace, so far you're the ONLY person who's brought meta into the game. For someone who's so against 'arguing about things that aren't really that important to this game (like meta), that seems....contradictory. At best. How is it? I'm not arguing about meta. I'm also not pushing any major points about it. On July 22 2011 11:46 Jacinto wrote: I don't understand this at all. The only thing this will give us is that we will be at exactly the same possition as d1, except with one less townie. I can't see how that's better than trying to lynch as good as possible. At least this will show us who is ready to vote for who, pressure reaction etc. I could agree with doing a last minute RL, if it's obvious that we won't get an majority lynch, but other than that, I do not see the point. That is only true if we are in a setup with no DT/Medic, everyone gets null reads and we don't lynch a Mafia on Day 1. Otherwise we'll be in a better position. On July 22 2011 11:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, Random Lynch could be fun. What's more fun than watching one of your fellow townies die because there was a 50% greater chance of hitting him than the scum who offered up Random Lynch in the first place. Further, what then sir? Best case scenario: we hit scum randomly. Huzzah! But then were are we? Right back here were we are now because we all decided unanimously to lynch someone. What information is there to glean from that? What stances are people going to be held accountable for? No, Random Lynching is an awful idea. And the fact that you're so wishywashy about your PERSONAL desire to start things off that way (a fun way to start, kick things off, why not), combined with your contradictory statement about meta, you get the honor of being my first scum pick. Congratulations sir! ##Vote: Ace This is exactly why I said you wouldn't be a bad lynch. Show me where I have been wishy washy. Point out the exact sentences in my posts. | ||
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On July 22 2011 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote: @Dragon Actually, you're saying I'm not helpful to YOU. I've answered Jacinto's questions to his satisfaction, where Ace has still failed to do so. Palmar seems to think my opening statements were fine. You're speaking for town when you shouldn't be. Let town speak for themselves. Vote for me if you really think I'm scummy, but don't put words in everyone else' mouths. Let them think for themselves. oh ok this makes it even easier. ## vote VisceraEyes | ||
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On July 22 2011 12:09 Jacinto wrote: This is true. But I still it's only 25% chance that we are. We even gain some even if we have a cop and not a medic(but i guess it would not be worth it). But even then I don't see the point of not gaining additional information about players, and do a RL instead of trying to go for a conscious lynch. Even if we misslynch we will have a day extra of posts we can generate information to analyze. We aren't going to be blindly random lynching though. This very discussion and, if we were to go through with a RL, the way we figure out how to do it will be more than enough ammo for Day 2 reads. | ||
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On July 22 2011 12:13 Jacinto wrote: Oh, I think i have missunderstood your post Ace. Please explain how we are in a better possition in the setup with just a medic. Relative to a setup with no power roles? Isn't that self explanatory? Maybe this will clear it up: I'm operating under the assumption that we are in a setup with Vanilla Town vs some combination of Mafia so we don't have to rely on Power Roles. However if one does pop up then we narrow down the setup possibilities. Does that help? | ||
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On July 22 2011 12:16 VisceraEyes wrote: *shrugs* Half of town hasn't even showed up yet. We'll see who looks scummier when they have. At this point, I'm CERTAIN of Ace's alignment because he's so fucking good at this game and I'm Town...he'd be able to tell that even if he DIDN'T have more information to start. uh...being good at this game doesn't mean I can figure out everyone's alignment. Even on my best days it would take me a while to "get it" and at best probably get Scum lynched no more than 50% of the time. You misrepresenting what I've said though makes me inclined to believe that you are indeed Scum. I'm just not pushing your lynch seriously because other players haven't chimed in yet. Besides, I've got another idea in the back of my mind depending on what happens with this Random Lynch stuff. | ||
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I'm not voting you because you disagreed with me, I'm voting you because you are seeing things that aren't there aka misrepresenting my position on the issue. You have noticed that you are not the only person that has disagreed with me correct? Dragon isn't even on my train, more so he's chilling at the boarding station deciding whether or not to buy a ticket to WinvVille with me. But why so sketchy bro? He hasn't even placed a vote on you | ||
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On July 22 2011 12:33 Jacinto wrote: Actually, I realized you probably misunderstood my post. What i was wondering is: In what way would we be in a better position d2, in the medic only setup, if we RL d1 and kill a townie? Not much better if the medic doesn't save someone Night 1. Of course this is ignoring everything else going in regards to the RL discussion. We'd still have no idea what setup we'd be in and down a Townie. Just to further my point though: I'm in the game assuming "worst case scenario" is where we start - that being all Vanilla vs 3 scum. | ||
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On July 22 2011 12:45 Jacinto wrote: Yeah, that's what i mean. RL could be an option, since we've actuelly got 25% chance to gain from it(assuming we lynch a townie, which is likely that we will), but only as last resort. But I understand you're no longer(and maybe have never been) for a straight up RL. never have been, I've got more in the pot I'm just waiting on more people to post. If we do go with a RL it won't be straight up that's for sure. | ||
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You and VE have an amazing knack for making stuff up. List the people who comprise "half the town" that I've convinced. @Jacinto: He never said it was better not to scumhunt than to RL. Other than that I think you've got a decent case saying DR22 isn't really showing a strong stance. | ||
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On July 23 2011 00:08 Palmar wrote: How the fuck have you played 100 games? have you been playing for years? Anyway This makes it look like you're perfectly fine with RL. That's a terrible idea and you should know it. And yes, I call out anyone who acts stupidly for acting stupidly. ##vote Palmar Guys, listen up. This is such a ridiculous post, part of many that Palmar has made that should be looked at seriously. Hold your biases for a second, stop and re-read the thread from the start of the game. You'll notice Palmar has been trying to undermine myself and DR22 on this Random Lynch issue. Not only did he put words in our mouths to make up stuff that wasn't said but he's even taking it a step further and now acting like "The Town" has decided Random Lynching is bad, and is thus Scummy if you support it. Since when did we ever decide that Random Lynching is a Scum move?. We never did. Even worse, how could he take that stance (deciding that "The Town" has made RL scummy) when he posted this: On July 22 2011 18:34 Palmar wrote: lol, I can see why people say you're good Ace, you somehow convinced half the thread that a random lynch on day 1 is a good idea? How is it that I could have convinced half the thread that a Random Lynch is a good idea, but within the same day you also have stated that the Town has decided otherwise? Like here: On July 22 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote: You agreed with ace's plan. From town perspective it doesn't make any sense, as judging by the sample of games I've played town has more like 50%+ chance of hitting mafia on day one, so if you're town, you should by logic never agree to this plan. Not only is he speaking for the Town, but now he is throwing out some falsities. The town doesn't have a "more than 50% chance" of hitting Mafia on Day 1 in any game of Mafia unless the game is broken. This is such an utterly stupid and absurd statement I don't know how anyone who has ever played a game of Mafia hasn't called him out on it. This quoted post is also another in a long line of Palmar misrepresenting DR's position. As DR asked him: On July 22 2011 23:57 DragonReborn422 wrote: @Palmar I've agreed to Ace's plan. Where? Please show me a post that DIRECTLY states we should random lynch. To which Palmar has no response. The same as he can't list who I've convinced to RL. This is typical newbie Scum play. Like I said, just re-read the thread from scratch. There is no way that someone that is BLINDLY tunneling, not even reading other player's posts and purposely misrepresenting their position is likely Town. That's just so many blatant bad moves that he should be lynched. So once again, ## vote Palmar. | ||
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I'm just gonna go to sleep. | ||
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Then again my last post about reading the thread got ignored so I'm not even surprised it's come to this. Can anyone show me an actual good case against DR22? | ||
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And once again, here you go stretching things to your definition of what you want to appear. What flimsy evidence have I defended DR22? The case against him is weaker than the case against you. How can you even dare say he isn't committing to his Scum reads when VE has already accused like 4 people? It's funny because if you read DR22's posts it's perfectly possible to see that when he listed his Town reads, he could have easily leaned towards taking back his Scum reads and going for a lurker. Of course you somehow didn't see this - but thats because you aren't reading the thread. I don't know DR22's alignment (lol stop trying to plant your little bugs, it's cute but your efforts are so transparent) but I do know the case for lynching him is weak, especially with your Scummy play so far. | ||
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Of course he was Innocent. Pants on Head logic going on here. I'm actually not even going to try hard this game. I'll be content to sit back assuming I live Night 1, and play like the rest of you and not read the thread. Being new to Mafia doesn't give you an excuse not to know how to READ. | ||
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On July 31 2011 03:31 syllogism wrote: I like how everyone ignored Ace even when he utterly predictably flipped town np man, just a few more names added to the list of players I won't play a game they are in | ||
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