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You tunnel me, I'll tunnel Jackal. For the sake of any and all detective roles in this game, I sincerely hope you do not end up with a gun. | ||
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Anyone you want. ... As long as it's not me. | ||
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 Somebody give me something interesting please | ||
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Jackal58, Harry Potter The question raised now is whether or not the Voldemort/Potter duo is like Joker/Batman was in PTP 1. Is role a reflection of alignment in this case? It would have been natural to think voldy was mafia, but that turned out completely incorrect. It is also possible that they are both town aligned. This remains to be seen. A question I want to put forward is: Should we get Jackal to use the wand in the same way that ON was going to? A double lynch either today or tomorrow? This could prove to be a powerful tool, and is worth considering. Sandroba, keeper of the wand My big question is why was he willing to hand out a KP so early on day 1? Unless he knew ON was town somehow, but with the deal of it being handed back to him, that seems highly unlikely. At first I would say he is town, because he was ready to hand the wand over to someone who flipped town instead of someone on his scum team. But then...nobody says that the keepers of the hallows and the collectors have to be on the same team. We really have no guarantee of this either way, but if we see Sand flip before Jackal, we can rest assured that they are not mafia together or Potter would have the wand now. In conclusion, I'm uncertain on him. This business has introduced a lot of wifom around Sand, and I've really got nowhere in writing out my thought process on him. Curu, the naive planner On July 25 2011 10:26 Curu wrote: This game is Harry Potter Mafia? Did I miss something wut? One idea: everyone can claim their own roles. That doesn't activate the penalty AFAIK. Then if anyone lies at all then their role creator can call them out. This allows us to coordinate everyone's powers and dissenters can be lynched. Effectively we can coordinate everyone's actions and avoid hero syndrome or people using their powers in an Anti Town way (can also somewhat cripple the Mafia's powers). The only weakness I can see is that it lets the Mafia pick and choose their targets among who has the most powerful roles. However, they already know many of the roles of Town (the ones they themselves created) so it's not all that debilitating. Thoughts? It's already been explained why this is a bad idea, and I agree with that wholeheartedly. This benefits scum far more than town, since they could eliminate mason or vigilante roles. However, as I often find myself pointing out, bad plan =/= scum. Based on this I think Curu is more likely town than mafia. If mafia were to propose a plan as high-profile as this, they would have thought it through and discussed it with their scumbuddies first, and it would not have ended up posted. But seriously Curu, don't push this plan. It doesn't help us. redFF, the....redFF On July 25 2011 11:55 redFF wrote: imo give it to me. This post makes me really uneasy. He asks for a KP with no explanation. Maybe he has a role that he can use it, or maybe he just wanted to hold on to it so it couldn't be used improperly. On July 25 2011 10:33 redFF wrote: I think you should claim, your derailing town discussion by being cryptic about the horcruxes. We should either stop trying to get information from ON or he should claim. This one as well. He accuses a now-confirmed townie, and tries to get him to claim. Couple this with his asking for the wand, it makes me think he also might have an HP themed role and would be capable of using it. What remains to be seen is whether this role is town aligned or not. At the moment I have no strong reads on any other players. Hopefully I'll have more time tomorrow to read and do some proper analysis. Something I really don't want to happen is that everyone gets wrapped up in the theme roles of this game. At the heart of it, it's a simple game of mafia. At no point in the game should role/HP mechanics come before good analysis. I realize that in my thoughts above I focused a lot on HP, and as you can see it only led to a lot of wifom. I will be doing my best to move away from this in the future and on to analysis based more in behavior. | ||
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On July 25 2011 13:51 redFF wrote: I don't have an hp themed role. First post was a joke, as everyone was asking for the wand. I was going to say AND MY AXE, but i went for imo give me the wand. I didn't accuse him, i just noted discussion was being derailed by all this hp nonsense, so i wanted him to be as upfront as possible now we knew part of his role, i see that as a good townie post. The problem is that you're asking for an outright role claim on D1, and the person you encouraged to do so ended up as a conveniently dead townie by the claws of Wolverine shortly after this. A good townie post would have been to focus attention on something new and productive. Instead, you said "Don't talk about HP stuff" and immediately followed it with "claim more HP stuff". | ||
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On July 25 2011 14:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Could ON actually be mafia, but just flips green, thus the "disguised as town" from Jackal's PM? Like a GF that keeps working after death. Other than that, I'm drawing a blank, besides that Jackal's scum. If this is the case I'm going to have an aneurysm. ON had better be town if he flipped town | ||
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On July 25 2011 14:43 Curu wrote: lol, chaos13 knows full well the frustrations of untrustworthy flips from WaW2 <3. Goddamn that pissed me off so much. I came back from camping and read my death post wondering if I'd read my role PM wrong. OT: What gets me is that even if he is mafia, Jackal would have no reason to include a false statement in his claim. He's a good enough player that I'm sure he would be able to get ON lynched based on the simple premise of "Voldemort = scum". As I mentioned before though, we're discussing lynching someone based on role claims. There's a whole lot of WIFOM going on here, and that's just not good. Vote based on analysis rather than roles. We have a confirmed role PM from decon on Voldy. We have a claim from Jackal that is quite similar, except for some minor differences. So Jackal is almost assuredly not lying about his role claim. Why then, would he include a false statement? Even as mafia, why? That's the thing that isn't making sense to me here. I think what needs to be done is examine the behavior rather than the claims. I'm with DropBear. I can understand why you're coming from this angle, but the evidence isn't enough to sell me. Decon, are you able to clarify whether these roles are made by players or made by you? Once he comes in and answers that question we can bring the topic up again. Until then I suggest we stop basing arguments on WIFOM and contribute something of more substance. | ||
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On July 25 2011 21:15 Kurumi wrote: KURUMI'S GARAGE SALE ~no image because I am too scared to find porn again~ I want to sell: Vote Make Your bandwagon appear harder, better, faster and stronger! I am willing to sell it for a vig shot or something nice. Old Cape http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245008¤tpage=23#460 Role check Scummy bastard roleblocking You? Palmar stealing Your kalmars? Provide essential Role check to Your analysis for 5 votes! 1. Selling his vote. As town, this is your MOST IMPORTANT TOOL EVER. When you remove your vote, you are worthless to the town. What alignment is it that doesn't care about where their vote goes, as long as it's not on mafia? Scum. 2. Selling the old cape, or one of the deathly hallows, for 4 votes. So he has an item that right now is worthless in his hands, and would be worthless in anyone's hands but Potters. This means the only person worth selling it to is Jackal, who is a topic of heated debate. Why is it that a townie would want 4 votes to use as they wish? That completely ruins the strength of the voting system. The will of the majority is what actually gets us to lynch scum, because we don't have single headstrong individuals controlling a large portion of the votes. What Kurumi is suggesting does exactly that. 3. Now he wants 5 votes -_- Tell me Kurumi, how would you using these 5 votes (6 including yours, assuming you haven't sold it) by yourself be better than letting the entire town vote individually. Seriously. This is the scummiest post I have seen the entire game. ##Vote: Kurumi | ||
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Host > player What's going on here supersoft? | ||
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On July 26 2011 01:33 Kurumi wrote: YOU CAN'T LYNCH THE BANK SILLY GOOSE! I will make every vote to vote on myself or on a lurker. I need a vigi shot to kill creator of my role... ...what is this I don't even.... | ||
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On July 26 2011 01:37 Nisani201 wrote: The Town can sort this out, if it's really troubling you then perhaps you should roleclaim. -_- WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND Role claims are not good. | ||
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On July 26 2011 01:45 syllogism wrote: He had to use his ability today as his role changes daily Ah, right. | ||
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On July 26 2011 01:57 sandroba wrote: Not really. Assuming DB is town, which I think he is, they couldn't be certain that he would reveal who got the Tim role. supersoft was basically cornered into shooting whoever shot YM, to prove he wasn't lying. Maybe they indeed did not think things through, but a more plausible explanation is that they are both mafia. It's not certain, but it explains things better than "mafia is dumb". It's worth keeping him around for DT checks anyway. If he's not mafia he's going to get shot eventually or confirm half the town. Hmm. But if he is mafia we can't trust his checks at all. I hadn't thought of things from that angle, so it's semi possible he could be scum. If he is, his DT power is useless because it would be so easy to lie about it. However, it depends on whether decon would post it publicly or PM supersoft. I'm guessing it would be PM'ed to soft, in which case he would have no trouble lying | ||
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