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heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 25 2011 21:23 GMT
#730
jackal needs to respond to supersoft
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 25 2011 21:30 GMT
#739
On July 26 2011 06:25 Foolishness wrote:
I am in favor of using the check, but BC's arguments are looking better and better as time goes on. If we can't agree on the check then I'm totally envisioning a scenario where supersoft comes back and goes "oh hey I checked random person X because random person Y said so" and we can't hold him accountable because we as a town did not agree on who to check. I have slammed my head against my desk so many times reading the thread at the stupidity of players that I'm going to die of blood loss at this rate. I don't want that.

We use the (Z)Check on someone like Wiggles, and even if it turns up mafia, we still kill Kitaman (or Jackal if he comes back and can't explain himself). We need the check's information, but we should not act upon it today.


Are you kidding me? How is his argument getting better and better?

SS using his check gives us NO NEGATIVES.

Who cares if he just says town? If he flips green, we'll have a load of confirmed townies. Even if town argues about the dt target, if SS even checks one of them, we'll be good. ITS BETTER THAN NOTHING.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 25 2011 21:41 GMT
#752
BC please. I really don't know why you are still arguing about this. We are not all idiotic. We can choose to ignore SS if we want. Him claiming town DOES NOT make him more town in our eyes. The risk is nothing and the advantage everything.

Please read my argument about the confirmed townie bit if you are still arguing about that.

I swear if you are doing this to make people think scum won't be vehemently arguing against something so pro-town, I will be very annoyed.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 25 2011 21:48 GMT
#757
Actually, this must be it.

You are purposefully being stubborn to make yourself look suspicious to make scum go. "Oh hey, BC has half the town thinking he's scum. Let's leave him alone."

/joke

but seriously your only negative is that town will be stupid and misuse the information. That is not a good reason to not use the dt checks.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 25 2011 21:56 GMT
#766
Gah YM what did you start????
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 25 2011 22:04 GMT
#777
I think kita is the best check right now.

Not possible to analyze with any real depth based on what he's posted. Just suspicious enough to make you wonder.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 25 2011 22:23 GMT
#789
OK, I would really like everyone else's opinion on giving Jackal just the stone night 1 (assuming he isn't lynched). Stone gives him ability to protect 1 person at night.

To reiterate:

If jackal is town,

ADVANTAGE: He gets to protect somebody.
DISADVANTAGE: None.

If Jackal is scum,
ADVANTAGE: None.
DISADVANTAGE: He has a chance to save his scum buddy. BUT think about it. What are the chances he correctly predicts who's getting targeted by the 3rd Party? That's if the 3rd Party happens to hit mafia. Town shouldn't be shooting on whims anyway. If we all agree to night vigi someone, we can take away the stone. This is only for night 1.


I don't trust him, but if town allows him to live then I suggest we give him the protective ability. Right now the risks are very small if he's scum, and good payout if he's town.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 25 2011 22:30 GMT
#793
My main argument is that the advantage of giving a townie a medic powers is far greater than the disadvantage of giving a non-town role medic powers.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 25 2011 22:31 GMT
#794
Especially as it's not a permanentt transfer
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 25 2011 22:40 GMT
#802
Giving the stone is not just a matter of "jackal might be scum. we could be giving scum medic powers!"

The real question you should be asking yourself is

"Is the possibility of a townie getting the med kit worth the risk of mafia getting it?"

I say yes. Night 1 is not the time to be shooting at possible mafia targets if you are town. There is a very slim chance jackal correctly predicts the SK, if SK happens to shoot mafia.

Pretend it like this if you don't like this situation.

Deconduo comes down and gives us the option of giving one random player a med kit. We are all told who it is given to. And we can take it back at any time if we want to.

Would you agree?
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 25 2011 22:44 GMT
#806
I'm done arguing with BC so I wanted to move onto something else.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 25 2011 23:17 GMT
#819
How about you just tell us who you would lynch?
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 25 2011 23:29 GMT
#825
Nooooo. let's not give BC more wood to burn.

You are not confirmed townie. And just because you are confirmed townie does not give you super accurate scum reads.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 26 2011 02:21 GMT
#865
I want to direct your guys' attention to Nisani.

On July 25 2011 10:48 Nisani201 wrote:
It doesn't matter if you give someone the elder wand anyways. For someone to properly use the elder wand, said person must kill its last owner. So ON would have to kill sandroba to use it.


On July 25 2011 10:56 Nisani201 wrote:
There is probably a Snape, and in that case we should wait the whole Harry Potter/Voldemort thing out until Snape claims.


He has not been doing anything pro-town at all this game. He is semi-lurking and from time to time, he pitches in a few lines of pure speculation or other worthless 1 liners. He has not tried to analyze anyone or tried to contribute to any town discussion. In fact his only convictions are his lynch votes which he hastily votes for with pretty much no analysis.


On July 25 2011 12:27 Nisani201 wrote:
Ugh, first I have redFF being a hero in Vigi mafia and shooting someone in the first hour of vigi mafia, and now I have this?

Ugh, whatever. youngminii is probably scum, because he, you know, KILLED A TOWNIE ON THE SPOT.

##Vote youngminii



On July 26 2011 10:13 Nisani201 wrote:
BC is suspicious, but not just for trying to avoid an alignment check. This post I found particularly scummy:


Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What, the fuck is this shit? Multiple day 1 claims? people already lying. Day vig already shooting? The fuck is this shit. Purely for knowing better, and combination of a townie role designed around killing another player Jackal is now up for lynch.

Before anyone one goes "lets slow down here" He outright lied about his role, and we know based on a role flip that ON had a statement saying he was out to kill harry potter. As such the two should be opposite alignment, or at the very least, HP third party. As such he dies. We do not keep liars around, we do not keep people around who are on a quest to find bullshit items.

Also whoever made my role, go die in a fire.

##vote jackal58



The above post was extremely uninformed and looked like it was trying to start a bandwagon. That, in addition to the reasons I stated earlier in this post, I think that BC is the best lynch.

##Vote: Bloodyc0bbler


Not only is he not contributing, he is very willing to throw his vote to any bandwagon and to anyone that he feels safe voting for. Look at his post concerning BC. He states that BC is suspicious. OK, now let's see your reasoning. He brings up one post with BC providing his reasoning to lynch Jackal. It's curious to see him use "trying to start a bandwagon" as an excuse as that is exactly what he is doing.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 26 2011 02:26 GMT
#868
You voted for YM because you didn't think anyone would challenge you too hard on it because you can just say YM killed a townie - suspicious!

What bothers me about your vote for BC is your main reason is something he did before this entire fiasco with the dt checks. Why didn't you come out before? Why wait till BC has argued with a lot of the town and only vote to lynch after Curu did so?
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 26 2011 02:30 GMT
#869
On July 26 2011 11:23 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2011 11:21 heist wrote:
Not only is he not contributing, he is very willing to throw his vote to any bandwagon and to anyone that he feels safe voting for.

Would you prefer me to vote for someone I don't feel safe voting for? Because that makes no sense.


Safe as in you think you will not receive any backlash from your vote, not safe as in your convictions.
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 26 2011 02:48 GMT
#877
Were the alignments influenced in way by role for anyone?
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 26 2011 02:51 GMT
#878
Dam left out a word.

EDWOP

Were the alignments influenced in any way by role for anyone?
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 26 2011 03:03 GMT
#882
Actually I am so blind.

On July 26 2011 11:15 deconduo wrote:
All alignments, including any possible godfathers, were RNGd/assigned by me and eiii. If mafia have godfathers they were pre-determined.


My vote is clear.
##Vote: jackal58
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 26 2011 19:23 GMT
#1023
On July 26 2011 11:15 deconduo wrote:
All alignments, including any possible godfathers, were RNGd/assigned by me and eiii. If mafia have godfathers they were pre-determined.


Keyword here: assigned.
I really want to stress that. Some people's alignments were randomly generated. Some people's alignments were assigned by the hosts. And who would have their alignments assigned? I don't know, maybe HARRY POTTER AND VOLDEMORT.

I don't like the argument that the Jackal lynch is only based off flavour text. This is what deconduo has to say about flavour text.

On July 25 2011 22:28 deconduo wrote:
There are no alternative win conditions. You win with your alignment only. Anything that suggests otherwise in roles is just flavour.


And here is the part of ON's role that is relevant:

"You are Voldemort, and you are on a mission to kill Harry Potter and keep him from uniting the three Deathly Hallows. Each item you or Harry Potter obtain will grant the holder a power, but unfortunately you can only use one item per night.


ON is town. He does not have an alternate win condition to the rest of us. He wins with town. Is the part of the role telling him to kill Harry Potter "suggesting otherwise"? NO. This isn't flavour text. It is a clue, the role name of someone either 3rd party/scum.
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