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Foolishness
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dammit EBWOP
On July 26 2011 21:00 DropBear wrote:
...... That isn't going to convince me to get behind you.
You didn't answer my question about Wiggles. Why are you so sure he is SK?
Why not? I randomly picked a person who's relatively inactive and someone who's half trolling and has barely posted anything longer than 3 lines. That's just like you right? You randomly picked between flavor text lynch, policy lynch, and anger lynch right? I mean your reasoning for your vote made a  Nice bloodstain on my wall. Perhaps you can refresh my memory on why BC needs to die?
I'm going to vote for the troll now, redFF. Should be obvious when you click the filter button what I mean.
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Foolishness
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dammit I did not mean to do that
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EBWOP:
dammit I did not mean to do that THIS SHIT IS  Bogus
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Before I edited, the post looked like this, hopefully this is my Last mistake:
On July 26 2011 21:00 DropBear wrote:
...... That isn't going to convince me to get behind you.
You didn't answer my question about Wiggles. Why are you so sure he is SK?
Why not? I randomly picked a person who's relatively inactive and someone who's half trolling and has barely posted anything longer than 3 lines. That's just like you right? You randomly picked between flavor text lynch, policy lynch, and anger lynch right? I mean your reasoning for your vote made a Nice bloodstain on my wall. Perhaps you can refresh my memory on why BC needs to die?
I'm going to vote for the troll now, redFF. Should be obvious when you click the filter button what I mean.
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I am going to MurDeR someone when this game is over
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On July 26 2011 21:41 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 21:20 Foolishness wrote:On July 26 2011 21:00 DropBear wrote:
...... That isn't going to convince me to get behind you.
You didn't answer my question about Wiggles. Why are you so sure he is SK? Why not? I randomly picked a person who's relatively inactive and someone who's half trolling and has barely posted anything longer than 3 lines. That's just like you right? You randomly picked between flavor text lynch, policy lynch, and anger lynch right? I mean your reasoning for your vote made a nice bloodstain on my wall. Perhaps you can refresh my memory on why BC needs to die? I'm going to vote for the troll now, redFF. Should be obvious when you click the filter button what I mean. I have said before that jackal, the flavour text lynch is a bad idea. It is interesting that he is disappeared but it isn't enough of a reason to lynch him. I don't know who you mean by the policy lynch and the anger lynch but I'm assuming BC is one of them. I would like to kill BC for a few reasons. - Firstly for trying to stop supersoft using a DT check. There is no reason to do this. - Second, because he is shitting up the thread, arguing wildly about something that isn't really that important. When he was my scumcoach for XVIII he advocated this as an underused and highly effective scum strategy. - Third, because he is strongly suggesting that supersoft could be Mafia which I now know is impossible. We used this argument of "he killed his scumbuddy to buy town cred" to get Palmar lynched over bumatlarge in PTP1. And it's a ridiculous argument. If supersoft is also Mafia, then he had no need to kill Tackster. I was saying that supersoft killed him, he could have just gone "yeah sorry guys I suck and I used my ability and now Mafia knows who I am  " - Fourth because of his bizarre chainsaw defence of you early on which immediately set off alarm bells for me. Additionally, if you want me to vote with you at any point in this game, why not show me some reasoning rather than casting insults?
1) When the result of the check shows up red and we lynch the person and they flip  Green what are you going to do? Kill supersoft?
1a) He flips green. Great, we wasted 2 days minimum and did no scumhunting
1b) He flips red. This is fine since 1 for 1 trade.
When his results turn up green, are you going to kill that person to confirm? No cause that's just silly. So are you going to leave said person alone the rest of the game? If this was a normal game that'd be dandy but this is PTP. There could be framers, roleblockers, heck the mafia may have already converted supersoft to their team by now.
I am for the check but his reasons for not wanting to use it aren't an issue. Let me be clear: BC is worried about the town misusing the information (as am I, that's why I want a check on a random person instead), which is an all too common theme in mafia. His solution to the problem of "the town is going to misuse this information" is preventing the town from getting the information in the first place. Given the track record of the town so far I don't blame him. One mafia is already dead through stupidity why take the chance with a DT check in a game where people have bizarre roles when we can just analyze and let DT's do work later in the game.
And speaking of analyze, redFF is acting just like in BC's game where he flipped red. Make a lot of one liner troll posts, then a 2 paragraph post to try to blend in and/or justify his post, rinse and repeat. That's what he's doing this game too. BC can be held accountable in the near future if he disappears. If he survives this lynch then goes afk we auto lynch him easy. He knows that so no matter what his role is he'll be around. (On the same note, if Jackal continues being afk we should lynch him tomorrow as well.)
2) It's very important whether the check gets used and who it gets used on. I'm banking that one of the people arguing with BC is mafia for the exact reasons you stated.
3) fine, I wouldn't rule it out as impossible since this is PTP mafia, but Occam's Razor says he's town and that's good enough for me.
4) link or it didn't happen. Wait I know this didn't happen so don't bother.
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Foolishness
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On July 28 2011 07:32 sandroba wrote:Wrong, he is not determined on anything. He just says someone is suspicious and doesn't explain, so people take the bait and actually start pushing one of his (predominatly wrong so far) suspicions. He sat on the sidelines through all relevant discussion we had so far. He didn't antagonize anyone who was active in the thread. He doesn't give a fuck about town. If he wanted kita lynched he would ask for a check on him, since Only a few people shared his suspicions, but instead he wants redFF(town) checked. He is scum, there's no way around it.
No, I gave explanation for all my suspicions when I named them. I don't believe that trying to defend BC since nobody was capable of seeing things from his perspective qualifies as "sitting on the sideline". Rather so many people spent their posts attacking BC with redundant arguments that sitting on the sidelines in this case was blending in with all the attackers. People like Curu, redFF, chaos13, Mig, Nisani, syllogism, Dropbear and Palmar to some extent, and of course yourself.
I singled out redFF at the beginning because of his troll posts, and after reading BC's game I saw remarkable similarities between his posting behavior that game to this game (and he was red in BC's game). I was ready to write an analysis of him as soon as day started but he's dead now.
While we're on the subject of you, you, DropBear, and syllogism were the first people to take up what I said on Kitaman and vote for him. And as I recall the three of you responded to what I said about him as "he [Foolishness] is right let's lynch him". I brought up Kitaman because he wasn't making any posts longer than 2 lines and he didn't seem to care about the town. You, dropbear, and syllogism (among others) were the ones that took that to the next step by voting for him. Of course I'm grateful because it forced him to respond (unlike Wiggles who just ignored me). But don't go around saying that I'm laying "bait" for you guys when it's your fault for just accepting whatever I say and not thinking for yourself. That's exactly what nearly everyone did with BC, someone made an argument against him, then they immediately reposted that argument in their own words instead of trying to think why BC was saying/acting the way he did. You know what happened as a result.
And I also asked for a lynch on Kitaman way before supersoft was ever revealed in the thread. A lot of you seem to have forgotten this, or you're just trying to make ends meet to accuse me.
Now, before you go start writing a response with the words "chainsaw" and "defense" strewn all over it, I'm only pointing out the inconsistencies in your arguments here. Sitting here calling me useless for the town (or however you put it in a previous post) is ironic given all you've done is sheep off of my early suspicion, then stubbornly attack BC with the rest of the people you think are all 'active and contributing' town members.
And you say "I didn't antagonize anyone who was active in the thread". What does that have to do with anything? Analyzing inactives is what I do best; read past games of mine if you don't believe me. I prod people like kitaman (when he was inactive in the beginning) and Lanaia because nobody else seems to give a care about what they are doing, and would rather sheep BC or Jackal with the rest of the town. I'm not going to stand by while inactives run rampant.
While we're on the subject, before you say "LOL ur just as inactive Foolishness", at least I provide reasonings for my accusations that are uniquely my own. I first pointed out Kitaman's one liner patter, I noticed redFF trolling and acting like he was in BC's game, and I thought Wiggles was an SK because he seemed to have a hidden agenda (although I never directly said that). Let's look at one of your accusations:
On July 25 2011 20:57 sandroba wrote:
Okay, shit about jackal is getting anoying. If some vig is convinced he is scum go ahead and shoot him at night. Foolishness is right. Let's lynch kita, he been useless and been subtly pushing suspicion into everyone with his question.
##Vote: Kitaman27
That's just sad in comparison. The rest of the town's voting habits are no different.
On July 28 2011 07:25 heist wrote:
Ok I've read Foolishness' posts. The suspicious things that I got:
1. He is not particularly active or contributing much to town discussion. But this applies to other people in the game. In fact most of Foolishness' posts have been accusing others of this very reason. He seems determined Lanaia, redFF, wiggles, and kita are scummy. However, not too much thought has gone into it. Is he trying to reduce the attention on his own back or genuinely trying to pressure them into being more active?
2. He is on Kita the entire time for not contributing much and lurking. But he then puts his final vote on redFF for "trolling". Perhaps kita's willingness to submit to a dt check made him not so suspicious?
3. Opposed both the jackal lynch and the BC lynch.I guess this is noncommittal if you look at it that way. Or perhaps he really doesn't believe in the reasoning of either lynches.
4. Doesn't like the mass role claiming, but heavily hints at his own. Basically telling vigs that it's a bad idea to target him. Obviously a more scum oriented motivation, but really inconclusive as to determining his alignment.
All in all, as you can probably tell, I'm still quite undecided on him.
1) See above
2) "the entire time"? No. Go read through my posts.
3) See above
4) I don't understand this at all. I'm heavily hinting at my own role? If you're talking about the post restriction BC had one, why all the fuss? I never told vigi's it was a bad idea to target me. If you have a specific post of mine you're referring to go quote it.
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Foolishness
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On July 28 2011 08:32 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 05:35 Foolishness wrote:On July 26 2011 05:31 redFF wrote:I Really don't understand why you guys are arguing against a free alignment Check. Thanks for making me immune to death the rest of the game bro...I Really appreciate it
That was an attempt to stop people from randomly putting in TLPD's in their posts. These are the same people that Fistpound Palmar and hand over items through PMs without giving it a second thought. Use your head; don't be in a Fantasy world.
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Foolishness
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If nobody would Mind me saying, I was roleblocked last night.
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On July 28 2011 09:52 sandroba wrote:
I gave you the stick curu. I don't think syllo is scummy at all, but maybe it's because he agree's with me in everything.
@Foolishness Your defense is laughable. There is no going back on the previous posts you made. No matter what you say you did NOT push any of your thoughts and you did NOT defend BC to a point of making a difference and avoiding his lynch. On every major issue you were always on the sidelines or soft pushing suspicion on people when jackal was leading the wagon.
Not true. I brought up the kitaman information before anyone had voted for Jackal. When I brought up my suspicions on redFF, Lanaia, and Wiggles it was when BC was leading the vote count. I came into the thread to defend BC, but nobody cared what I had to say, and BC had already dug himself a huge hole by then.
I'm putting suspicion on people because they are suspicious. Let me reiterate what you have done:
1) Accused and voted for Kitaman after I said he was suspicious for asking questions, posting one liners, and general inactivity.
2) Accused and voted for BC after Curu, Wiggles, syllogism, and Chaos13 already dragged out their accusations. You then proceeded to argue with him constantly over the next few pages. In fact here's you're first post about the issue (correct me if I'm wrong and you had one earlier)
On July 26 2011 05:09 sandroba wrote:
Okay, disregard anything BC is saying and check kita. I won't argue with him because he's choosing to not listen to reason =). It's damn near impossible for dropbear AND SS to be mafia, so whatever is your theory it is wrong.
That's just a sad excuse for a post.
You seem to think that because I don't spam the thread with "THIS GUYS MAFIA LOL KILL HIM" (which is what you do) that I'm trying to subtly push people or soft defend others. As I stated before, I gave coherent reasons why I thought people were suspicious (except for Wiggles because I was trying to illicit a response out of him). I said "kitaman is suspicious because he's relatively inactive, posting one liners and asking a lot of questions". I said that redFF is suspicious because he's trolling and he was acting like he was in BC's game where he was mafia. I said that Lanaia is suspicious because of the inactivity (which were at really convenient times as well). That's a heck of a lot better than the majority of other accusations this game: "BC is arguing nonsense therefore he is mafia", "Jackal is mafia because voldemort was town", "foolishness is right let's lynch Kita".
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Dammit that was supposed to say push
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On July 28 2011 10:11 sandroba wrote:
@Foolishness I know you said you were roleblocked, but if you have any sort of night action, who did you target at night?
I don't think this information will bring anything great to the town
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Foolishness
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On July 28 2011 11:17 sandroba wrote:
And the information I'm asking is indeed helpful, please provide.
You're going to have to give me more than that. Why should I reveal that information?
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Foolishness
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On July 28 2011 11:42 sandroba wrote:
I may or may not be able to shed some light on the situation, depending on your answer. Also, I think you are scum, so any info I can get out of you is a bonus =).
I'm sure you understand when I say no then =)
Unless you can provide me with direct evidence at how me releasing this information will help I'm not going to say anything. And yeah I know you probably can't for obvious reasons.
I can tell you that I was roleblocked last night. If it helps, I think the cause was related to mafia selecting me to be roleblocked, versus that I was roleblocked because I did an Oops with my role.
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On July 29 2011 03:04 sandroba wrote:
@lanaia WTF? BC argued with the whole thread, while foolishness only sat on the side lines observing we mislynch. How can you compare both, when they were complete oposites?
No. Where's your coherent argument against me? I want a post that's longer than 1 paragraph. The ones you did write earlier I took time to respond to. And then all you respond with is another 2 sentence paragraph of which is basically "lol ur wrong sittin on the sidelines".
It's almost like your blaming me for everything that's gone bad so far. I was the first one to cast suspicion on kitaman yet you're the one (among others of course) that went and voted for him. Then even though I said BC was making sense, me not spamming the thread with DONT LYNCH HIM means I didn't care about the town. I didn't realize that me having a job and not being able to post made me mafia.
You're one of the people that voted for him and made him post for 10 pages straight, take some responsibility and post some analysis against me if you think I'm mafia. You're 2 liners saying "lynch him he's scum" is exactly the kind of posts that got BC lynched since nobody really bothered to do any behavior analysis.
You also seem to think that me pressuring inactives day 1 says that "I don't care about the town" and that makes me mafia, even though this is what I do every game. Look at mafia XII if you don't believe me, where I basically ignored the elections and the elected officials until day 3. I can find other games as well (I just happened to be rereading that game the other day) where I focus on the inactives the first few days and ignore all the active and contributing members.
And no, before you say it, I do not think you're mafia (at least at the moment), nor am I trying to spread doubt on you for your actions. Your accusations of me are the exact thing that got BC lynched. I took time to respond to what people said about me, and your response is "@Foolishness your defense is laughable". Yet you never explained why other than the phrase "sitting on the sidelines".
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ugh was supposed to say First
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On July 29 2011 04:12 sandroba wrote:
I've explained to people many times why you are mafia, but I'll sum it up nicely:
1)The only long posts you made so far is to defend yourself. You don't care for the discussion of who is or isn't mafia.
2)I'm not blaiming you for what's going bad, you are only doing your job. You want to look good when a mislynch happens, but not prevent it (BC's case). That's not what a townie cares about.
3)You lied in your defense to make yourself look better. You cast suspicion on kita when Jackals wagon was forming. But you did not commit to it. When asked if you wanted a check on kita you declined, even when town wasn't convinced he was scum. So really you didn't care about lynching scum, you only wanted jackal not being lynched.
4)You are not pressuring lurkers. You selectively only pressure the lurkers which turned out to be town.
5)You are distorting my actions to discredit me. I argued with BC because I disagreed with him, but I never voted for him or thought he was scum, until a DT, who was most likely town, came back with a red check. Despite that, I still tried to prevent his lynch, but it was too late.
To sum it up, your behaviour fits mafia goals perfectly, which is to survive, to not look suspicious and to dissuade town from lynching your fellow scum.
1) Of course it is. I'm sorry that I work and don't have all the time to spend analyzing people. Would you rather me analyze someone that respond to your threats? Because I can. I don't have time to do everything. Jaedong
2) I definitely do not look good since 2 of my suspects died during the night. As I said I had an analysis of redFF ready to go for today but he's gone now.
3) No go read the time stamps. I responded to this in a previous post already.
4) Answered above. And until you know what Kitaman and Lanaia's alignment are you can't say that.
5) If I said you voted for him before the DT check my mistake.
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Foolishness
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On July 29 2011 04:16 sandroba wrote:
You have only 1 vote on you (mine), and instead of hunting for scum you make a huge defense post. You don't care about town =P
How does this make me mafia? I'm not supposed to defend myself? Bisu
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Foolishness
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First vote on Jackal
On July 25 2011 13:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
##vote jackal58
Post against kitaman:
On July 25 2011 13:39 Foolishness wrote:Can we please stop the mass role claiming now? I'm looking at the title of the game and it clearly has the word 'Mafia' in it, and nowhere are the words 'claim'. Has there ever been an instance where a mafia claimed day 1 in a game such as this? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there has. TL mafia players aren't ballsy enough to do something like that. You guys can yap all you want about these people being mafia, but while you do players like kitaman get a free ride as they make useless posts while pretending to be active.
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On July 29 2011 04:21 sandroba wrote:
That obviously makes you mafia. You should be looking to kill scum, not to defend yourself when you have 1 vote.
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