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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
I just finished reading all of youngminii's posts and I am really having trouble reading him. I second guess myself due to XLII a bit though. He's honestly just so terrible at times, but does things that are make me second guess it. He attacked redff a little bit, but wasn't involved in much of the discussion around redff/visceraeyes and ended up on Viscera eyes. As another aside, supersoft is pretty much confirmed due to hammering redff in the last half a second of the vote. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
I wrote earlier how mafia really want the third party to die, and want to make the town think the third party are bad for them, when in actuality the third party is worse for the mafia. Youngminii has a few posted basically saying how we all know just how bad the third party is for town, which is completely wrong. I feel like that's the best proof I have against him for being scum. Compile that with discouraging people from using PM's properly and sheeping on Viscera with no real thought, I think its strong enough to lynch him. I would however really appreciate other peoples thoughts however. Just so you guys know, here is how I plan to be spending rest of the day. I want to analyze this list VisceraEyes 12 RebirthOfLegend bumatlarge redFF youngminii red reading? Coagulation Zona EternalMisfit Mig CjrNinja Lucidity Sevryn since I am convinced that on this list there is going to be more than just the two reds we see on there. I want to stress the most important thing about analyzing groups of people, do NOT just look for those you deem scummy, since scummy can be a real hit or miss feeling and a decent scum can kind of stand in the middle or look okay in the eyes of an analyzer. But the real thing that helps narrow shit down is people who look REALLY town. If you are 99% sure someone is town, and 50% sure some dude is scum, you aren't going to lynch the obvious townie guy even if you aren't sure about the scummy dude. I used that method in SNMMIV when helping kavdragon. I didn't feel too strongly about prplhz or wiggles, but I felt strongly that Palmar was town, as well as a few others. By process of elimination I had basically the entire scum team, but not because they painfully stood out as scum, just because everyone else looked WAY more town then them. | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
On July 22 2011 05:00 Kurumi wrote: Fuck Pyo is on me HIDE THE BODIES | ||
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
On July 22 2011 05:24 Nisani201 wrote: RoL, I only counted 11 people on that list. Who is the 12th? supersoft, but he unvoted and casted the deciding vote on redFF | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Youngminii has a few posted basically saying how we all know just how bad the third party is for town, which is completely wrong. i don't see how you can let this guy survive that's just fucked are you kidding me, what is going on | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On July 22 2011 05:24 Nisani201 wrote: RoL, I only counted 11 people on that list. Who is the 12th? It was supersoft, but he switched votes for the finalization and I forgot to change the number but removed him from the list. My mistake. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On July 22 2011 05:36 youngminii wrote: i don't see how you can let this guy survive that's just fucked are you kidding me, what is going on I had a big post explaining in detail how the third party are inherently worse for the mafia the longer the game goes. Explain in detail how I am wrong and I will explain to you why your views are twisted and manipulated by scum ideology. | ||
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Sevryn
698 Posts
On July 22 2011 05:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I currently have a confused read on youngminii, he is terrible either way, and he posts a TON of anti town shit, but at the same time I know he is bad. Parts of his posting also strike me as pushing an alternative agenda as well and that is kind of seals it for me, I am probably leaning more scum on him. I wrote earlier how mafia really want the third party to die, and want to make the town think the third party are bad for them, when in actuality the third party is worse for the mafia. Youngminii has a few posted basically saying how we all know just how bad the third party is for town, which is completely wrong. I feel like that's the best proof I have against him for being scum. Compile that with discouraging people from using PM's properly and sheeping on Viscera with no real thought, I think its strong enough to lynch him. I would however really appreciate other peoples thoughts however. Just so you guys know, here is how I plan to be spending rest of the day. I want to analyze this list since I am convinced that on this list there is going to be more than just the two reds we see on there. I want to stress the most important thing about analyzing groups of people, do NOT just look for those you deem scummy, since scummy can be a real hit or miss feeling and a decent scum can kind of stand in the middle or look okay in the eyes of an analyzer. But the real thing that helps narrow shit down is people who look REALLY town. If you are 99% sure someone is town, and 50% sure some dude is scum, you aren't going to lynch the obvious townie guy even if you aren't sure about the scummy dude. I used that method in SNMMIV when helping kavdragon. I didn't feel too strongly about prplhz or wiggles, but I felt strongly that Palmar was town, as well as a few others. By process of elimination I had basically the entire scum team, but not because they painfully stood out as scum, just because everyone else looked WAY more town then them. that list is just people who voted for VE right? I voted for VE when his PM where he Claimed II without telling anyone. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
And yes, that is just a voting list. | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
You are right about 3rd party being worse for mafia late game RoL but early game when townies have a significantly higher concentration than mafia, it's much better to just get rid of them because 3rd parties help mafia get to the late game in the first place. Brb rereading the thread one more time and I'll post some more. | ||
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Sevryn
698 Posts
On July 22 2011 05:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I know the reasoning behind voting for VE, but considering the alternative was a mafia I am sure we will find some oddballs on the list. You will get your analysis results shortly. And yes, that is just a voting list. since your being active now can you explain why you were lurking day1? | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On July 22 2011 06:08 ketomai wrote: I'm almost positive RoL is 3rd party now :p. If you were a vet as you claim, playing so passively and lurking like that is counter intuitive to the strengths of your role. A vet should be leading the town without fear. You are right about 3rd party being worse for mafia late game RoL but early game when townies have a significantly higher concentration than mafia, it's much better to just get rid of them because 3rd parties help mafia get to the late game in the first place. Brb rereading the thread one more time and I'll post some more. The concentration is irrelevant and a red herring to this discussion. The point is the traits the third parties are hunting go parallel with those of mafia. The only reason they would hit townies more so early on is because there is less information to work with. In any case, i'd weather the storm for the first day or so to allow the third parties to hit more mafia at that time. As I said, I am completely willing to let the third party rape lurkers/scummy people. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On July 22 2011 06:15 Sevryn wrote: since your being active now can you explain why you were lurking day1? I was busy and kept getting lazy with the thread. There is no actual excuse. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
[spoiler=youngminii]Downplaying PM's, openly thinks third party is bad and town should lynch them, attacks mig for no reason. One of the first on the Viscera lynch. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240299¤tpage=24#471 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240299¤tpage=25#489 "If coag is town, then kurumi/rol = scum" wat? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240299¤tpage=37#721 defends redff, tries to divert to me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240299¤tpage=40#797 This doesn't even make sense, contradicts with later post of "RoL is so dumb he must be scum" for the medic claim. I really can't tell if hes bad or scummy, I keep getting mixed on him. [quote=BumAtLarge]He seems not committing. Doesn't look particularly scummy, but doesn't look obviously townie. I know he is skilled enough to not look obvious scum, so leaning scummy because of lack of contribution. [quote=Zona]starts off with big posts, agrees with my reasoning on lynching VE. Playing fairly okay but mysteriously goes AFK as votes start coming back around to redff? A bit odd. Was still active on TL at the time, but never bothered checking the thread. Not sure how I feel about that :/ [quote=eternalmisfit]reading posts, puts actual thought into things, seems to be trying. I am leaning town on him pretty much everything on him looks town except for his views on blacks. These are my personal, unedited notes that I just made in word. I have an excel sheet too, but I am not the biggest fan of note taking on excel, feels awkward.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote] | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
I will share what I have for now for a few players, and I will get to the others later. + Show Spoiler [youngminii] + Downplaying PM's, openly thinks third party is bad and town should lynch them, attacks mig for no reason. One of the first on the Viscera lynch. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240299¤tpage=24#471 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240299¤tpage=25#489 "If coag is town, then kurumi/rol = scum" wat? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240299¤tpage=37#721 defends redff, tries to divert to me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240299¤tpage=40#797 This doesn't even make sense, contradicts with later post of "RoL is so dumb he must be scum" for the medic claim. I really can't tell if hes bad or scummy, I keep getting mixed on him. + Show Spoiler [BumAtLarge] + He seems not committing. Doesn't look particularly scummy, but doesn't look obviously townie. I know he is skilled enough to not look obvious scum, so leaning scummy because of lack of contribution. + Show Spoiler [Zona] + starts off with big posts, agrees with my reasoning on lynching VE. Playing fairly okay but mysteriously goes AFK as votes start coming back around to redff? A bit odd. Was still active on TL at the time, but never bothered checking the thread. Not sure how I feel about that :/ + Show Spoiler [eternalmisfit] + reading posts, puts actual thought into things, seems to be trying. I am leaning town on him pretty much everything on him looks town except for his views on blacks. These are my personal, unedited notes that I just made in word. I have an excel sheet too, but I am not the biggest fan of note taking on excel, feels awkward. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
And how exactly did the VE situation go down? I don't mind some spotlight, but I think we should include anyone who didn't vote redff, rather then just whoever voted VE. I think the main switch happened 4 hours before vote ended, so I find it likely we could find some red amongst these. For the time being, I'll assume like everyone else that those who voted redff are clean since it was very close. Mr.Wiggles 2 Drazerk ghrur supersoft 6 Liquid`Nazgul Nisani201 VarysTheSpider Amber[Light] notasmurf snotboogie Pyo 1 CreamyButter Liquid`Nazgul 1 Pyo youngminii 1 TheAwesomeAll CreamyButter 1 Kenpahi That said, there are probably 2 or more scum amidst the VE group. I'll abuse palmer's tool to give my thoughts on mig now. VisceraEyes 12 RebirthOfLegend bumatlarge youngminii Zona EternalMisfit Mig Lucidity Sevryn | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
And you're denying being 3rd party, yes? Any thoughts on Nisani and his node-graphs of lurkitude? How about the earlier lynch candidates to me and redFF? Namely supersoft, with his LITERALLY last-minute switch to redFF? | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On July 22 2011 05:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I had a big post explaining in detail how the third party are inherently worse for the mafia the longer the game goes. Explain in detail how I am wrong and I will explain to you why your views are twisted and manipulated by scum ideology. The flaw in your reasoning behind 3rd party behavior is the same flaw in saying every active player is Town, namely WIFOM. Given that the 3rd party are immune to mafia hits (and mafia can't openly declare that they had been hitting said 3rd party member) wouldn't 3rd party players be bolder/have less fear about maintaining town standing? I mean it is in the interest of the 3rd party to try to control town since lynching is one of only 2 ways (and only way for Ras) that they can die? While I agree that hunting 3rd party players as town isn't a bad thing (cjrNinja is evidence enough of this), I'm not so sure claiming it to necessarily be a good thing is correct. 3rd party players simply accelerate the game, I don't think that they necessarily influence it one way or another through their collective KP. | ||
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