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On to the substance of everything, GM's plan seems good especially because people are actually accepting it but that's basically been decided already, more importantly I definitely think we should go operation dunkirk, mainly because the other two options just seem bad. Gunnerside seems like a good option and might be but I'm just way too worried about the clause "up to 3" which either means that just a number from 1-3 or 0-3 will be chosen, or that the mafia can try to use their nukes before they're gotten rid of, which would perhaps be OK because we could use that to figure out who the mafia are, but it still isn't a great thing to rely on. Watchtower is just bad. On a related note, Kurumi arguing for Watchtower is really suspicious, I just can't imagine anyone actually believing that this will be the best option for the town, the only situation where I could see a townie actually wanting Watchtower is one where they truly believed that we should be worried about us/mafia launching nukes all over the place, but Kurumi didn't warrant that at all, he just sort of made up bad reasons that the other plans were bad, which makes it seem like he was really trying to force watchtower. | ||
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##Dunkirk Operation Also I wrote that over the course of like an hour tabbing in and out so I want to expand on my note on Kurumi. He seems more and more scummy the more I think about what he wrote, he voted for what I think is accepted to be the worst option, one that no one else has advocated, and is the only one that has a real potential to hurt town. (Oh sure it probably won't hurt town but really, the other two have clear and only positive possibilities, that one, especially while we use nukes well as we seem to be now, could definitely have negative results) In addition his only warrant for it are two weak arguments showing why we shouldn't do the other two, he doesn't actually argue why that one is good and I think that's a sign that he know's it's suspicious to try and take away our nukes, and just doesn't want it to be obvious. But his arguments against the other two are pretty bad. Against dunkirk he just makes the claim that Axis will probably get a counter-plan, something that is not verifiable or hinted at at all, (and even if they do at least we waste their plan, but if he's scum he wouldn't want to have to waste one) Against gunnerside he says that it takes away tomorrows campaign, and nothing I've seen indicates that just because it takes two days we lose our campaign tomorrow. (If I'm wrong about that last one please correct me and add that to reasons that dunkirk is the best choice in my above post) | ||
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On July 06 2011 08:33 JeeJee wrote: Well, let's see, lurker-wise I'm looking at Mataza One post, out of nowhere suggesting existence of weird nukes. To me this stands out because it's such a strange thing to think about, unless you of course have special nukes. Later confirmed by Caller that "not all nukes are created equal", so weird nukes may indeed exist. No other posts. Would townies have special nukes -.^? ##Vote:Mataza Honestly I think either both sides probably have special nukes, and I don't think that he would have brought it up if he were mafia. | ||
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##Vote: Sinani206 also, for two reasons. 1. As people have pointed out he does look suspicious 2. The only other vote really happening is Mataza which seems to be 1 person starting it then 2 more saying they disagree with the first but will vote for the hell of it, if your guys goals were to start discussion/activity you've succeeded, now you should either get some real reasons to vote him or back off. As a last note, this vote is purely pressure if Sinani starts to contribute I'll change my vote immediately to Kurumi who I think is much more likely scum. | ||
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On July 06 2011 10:55 sinani206 wrote: This post is scummy as fuck. It sounds like you and sandroba are both scum, and you screwed up by sharing his scumslip and now you want to come back and defend your ally. Why should your vote hinge (to use your word) on which operation he voted for? Your vote should be for the scummiest player. The whole lurker excuse is complete bullshit. ##Vote: sandroba I propose a nuke of Curu Ok so my pressure vote is now a half pressure/half legitimate accusation, because it's really scummy to hop back into a thread where you're being accused and just throw out one mediocre and one really weak accusation, it's still possible that sinani is just scared town, but he needs to post more to judge. | ||
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On July 06 2011 11:50 sandroba wrote: I like that no one comented ON MY HUGE FUCKING CASE on palmar that proves he is scum, then vote for me for something I already explained. First of all you are calling that scum slip (it's a mistake btw, based on previous games knowledge) before we even know how many fucking kp mafia actually has. Good job. Also anyone that agreed to my plan should be voting to lynch palmar regardless since he broke the no nukes rule, shorttened the day and possibly took away an extra life from another player for no reason. He didn't even follow his own plan. God knows if he has nukes or not. Use your head and vote for palmar. He is 100% scum. I think you made a strong case but would like to focus on one or two people at a time and right now I really want to focus on sinani (then probably kurumi who is basically lurking after making a really scummy post) who I pressure voted just because of some slight scumminess/lurking but his response to everyone was way over the top and really suspicious, so I think we should keep on that for now. | ||
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This lets us still get a real lynch out today, also if we keep to this policy which nuking him would do then I don't think we will need to worry too much about conspirator wins. I would like to see what the arguments are for a Ciryandor/Syllo lynch. Also With the day ending at the landing of the last fired nuke, will we see the results of the nuke before our vote is finalized or is it simultaneous? Also is there anything in place to keep us from firing a nuke every 12 hours right before the day ends to create a never-ending day? | ||
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On July 07 2011 00:59 Palmar wrote: I think the day gets extended for the duration of the nuke flight, not sure though. yeah it does according to op. | ||
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On July 07 2011 01:08 Drazerk wrote: Caller is a baller and I am not worthy of worshipping him All right with that out of the way, I completely agree with palmar we shouldn't be nuking as we have to remember conspirators / Scum will fire nukes off if they are about to be lynched in retaliation. as and so the world radiation will rise every time we lynch one which could lead to a terrible situation. After Mataza I have made it clear who I think should be lynched ( Syllo / Ciryandor Read my previous reasons as for why ) Ok I was willing to go for nuking mataza but that wasn't actually a must, I just want to keep to policy so ignore my vote for the nuke. ##Vote: Mataza | ||
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Ok so apparently over the course of like 4 hours everything here went to shit. We need to stop firing nukes, and frankly we need to AS A TOWN kill all the people involved in this fuckfest, sure some might be townies, but I guarantee that between the 4 or 5 people that are just throwing around nukes we get at least one town, BUT NO ONE JUST FIRE. We need to agree and stop fucking retaliating. | ||
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Could we get a list of nukes currently in the air and when they are going to land please? | ||
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On July 07 2011 09:55 GMarshal wrote: What an ironic phrase. The thread isn't the only thing blowing up. You could say things have gone... critical. You know GMarshal, I really think that you're *puts on sunglasses* blowing things out of proportion | ||
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On July 08 2011 09:03 ~OpZ~ wrote: Navillus...A question to you also....Whom in the town do you feel is scum? And between GMarshal, YM? Honestly I have no idea, I've been doing my best to keep up with the thread and am up to date on reading, but I really have not had the time to analyze the thread, especially with one as unbelievably convoluted as this. Right now I'm really busy IRL and so can't give any solid analysis, but I'll be freeing up over the next couple days and starting to analyze/contribute more. | ||
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On July 09 2011 06:49 TheAwesomeAll wrote: wtf is the maiginot line? its ever been in a mafai game? It was the line of what might very generously be called "defenses" between France and Germany before World War II, suffice to say it was unsuccessful. | ||
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##vote ULTRA I am Louis Mountborton of the Boretish Empire, one of the British claims is probably lying. | ||
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On July 11 2011 11:43 GMarshal wrote: so you are boretish not boreritish? Thats an interesting nationality, I'm not sure its one I'm familiar with. I wonder, are the boretish nuke-proof? I actually didn't notice this but I just copied and pasted my name/nationality from the role PM so perhaps I'm some splinter group fighting for Irish independence and just don't know it yet... | ||
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On July 11 2011 12:19 Caller wrote: 22:45 and 23:18. The times when Kitaman27 and Ciyandor finish their round of mutually assured destruction. Also, Eiii died, desperately asking for forgiveness in the words of "can you have my death not involve castration or violating my anus." His wish was granted, as instead the missile's force burst through the door of the room he was in in such a precise angle that he basically had a nuclear powered penectomy, shortly before he was incinerated by the spilling alcohol everywhere. The alcohol ALMOST killed Navilus. ~OpZ~ I'm not counting your nukes you already fired today Also some other people are going to die in a few hours, but they're not important ^^ Just saw this and 1. Can hosts please start to get my name right, RoL spelled it the same way in RTM, and 2. That ALMOST killing me would be someone taking away my vig life for being boretish or boreretish or whatever the hell I am. | ||
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On July 11 2011 12:39 Ciryandor wrote: That's why even if I had multiple nukes I was holding them back; throwing that one just meant you weren't reading enough, when there are enough people here who have more... questionable roles because of inconsistencies with what they're saying. Oh that Irish part was a joke, I honestly have no idea who Louis Mountborton is/was, and knowing a decent amount of WWII history I at least would've chosen someone who I knew about myself if I were fake claiming, also ##vote TheAwesomeAll, also The reason I've had 0 activity for forever was that for the past week I've been at a camp where I was busy for like 10-12 hours a day and the past 18 hours have been me sleeping and on a plane home, I just got home and went through the thread, and honestly I have no idea what is going on, but I did see that a shitload of people were claiming Brit, knew that I was Brit, and figured I should try to contribute to the town in some way. But yeah that Irish thing was just a joke in response to GM noticing that I posted (and by extension my role PM had) the wrong name for my nationality, also Mig is absolutely right I'm a nub and would never have stuck my head up if I were mafia and literally the entire thread had forgotten about my existence. | ||
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On July 11 2011 12:34 Mig wrote: Navillus did you just lose a life when Eiii died? Wait do I find out separately if I lost a life? Cause I didn't get a PM or anything. | ||
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On July 11 2011 12:55 Mig wrote: Normally you should receive a pm if you lose a life. Ahhh. I didn't. I'm confused. | ||
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On July 11 2011 12:57 kitaman27 wrote: Kinda like how you were confused when you mispelled your faction name in your fake claim? Exactly. You should nuke me because I'm in the habit of popping in as mafia when no one is noticing me to make dubious claims that will possibly get me killed. | ||
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On July 11 2011 13:02 GMarshal wrote: Now is when you say "I actually lied about my identity, I'm actually the third party solar flare from the year 2300AD, I have to kill the ocean to win" I so so so wish that was true, in reality I have a standard ability, except I have a really annoying restriction on it making it worse than it would be in a normal game of mafia. | ||
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On July 11 2011 13:03 kitaman27 wrote: Sigh. This is what I hear: "I'm clearly not mafia because I posted in the thread!" Do you really think town would ignore you for the remainder of the game? Eventually someone was going to notice you were MIA for the last 50 pages. There are only 15 people remaining. You knew you were going to have to claim eventually. Just try to double check your spelling before you fake claim next time. Sigh. This is what I hear: "The only piece of evidence I have for you being mafia is that you misspelled a faction name, and it is common knowledge that mafia are worse spellers than townies Q.E.D. you are mafia. | ||
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On July 11 2011 13:12 kitaman27 wrote: What have you done to help town. I'm third party, what's your excuse? Fake claiming checklist: Pick an obscure role that couldn't possibly be counter-claimed. Make yourself British so you have an excuse for living if anyone hits you. Spell your faction name correctly. Opps. 2/3 isn't bad I guess. Ok you're right I'm clearly mafia, but please, just humor me for a minute. Hypothetically, if I have been really busy IRL so I couldn't post, and hypothetically if I did get home and see this thread, and hypothetically if I were an obscure Brit, and hypothetically if I blindly copy-pasted my role PM and it was in fact misspelled... What would I have done differently? | ||
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On July 11 2011 13:20 kitaman27 wrote: Admission is the first step to recovery. I don't humor scum. I try and get them nuked or lynched. Now here's my problem, I'm making a legitimate point that there is clearly a possible scenario where I am town that is consistent with everything I have said, and you are simply avoiding making any actual points and just throwing out rhetoric, also I am getting suspicious of heist, he is going to lengths to keep Kira away from a lynch and I think that it's very likely that they are together in whatever they are doing, this will look bad because he's been pushing for me so it'll look like I'm just counter-accusing but I honestly think we should lynch Kira because if he flips scum we can be pretty confident that heist is also scum, so ##vote Kira | ||
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I've been watching too much death note ##vote kitaman27 | ||
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Yes heist if you flip town I will change my vote back, and yes that means I was not in fact voting kita defensively. | ||
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On July 11 2011 15:19 Curu wrote: I'm still not convinced of nameclaim usefulness but if you guys want to go down that path this slipped to me: I am Louis Mountborton of the Boretish Empire, one of the British claims is probably lying. 1. MountBORTon. Highly unlikely that this wouldn't be MountBOREton if it actually was legit. 2. Boreritish spelled wrong. More thoughts to come in a sec, this is a buttload of new info to take in. Ok so 3 things 1. Why on earth would I go to the trouble to pick a name WITH THE WORD BORE IN IT and not spell it as such, sure if I just picked some random name the lack of bore might be suspicious but me finding possibly the one major British person in WWII with the word bore already there and then deciding not to add the e would be stupid, and don't just say "ok you're stupid" that's not an argument, also 2. The misspelling of boreritish is actually the dumbest reason to accuse someone that I have ever seen, my accusers have yet to explain why my being mafia would make it more likely for me to misspell it or make a typo, I'm done responding to this point unless someone brings up something with some semblance of logic behind it, also 3. I think it is pretty likely that at least one scum is accusing me, a few people accused me so it's safe, and it definitely helps them to have people wasting their time arguing for/against me being scum, also I really don't think that there's solid enough evidence against me to actually convince a whole lot of townies to go after me, also | ||
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On July 11 2011 16:13 Curu wrote: Ok my suspects: Misder. Hasn't done anything useful. Comes out of hiding once to nuke someone (who turned out to be scum). Votes on operations without trying to lynch anyone. I think he's third party trying to avoid attention. kitaman: ANOTHER third party claim? And a fairly useless third party too. Complete suspicion of him ATM based on claim though. Judging from Palmar's role though I'd say useless third parties aren't much of a rarity. I mean you give Conspirator the win condition of having the WRL reached and then you give someone else the power to have nukes cause no radiation for two days? lol. Strikes me as best lynch ATM because no Townie would claim a third party role. Either he's scum or actually a third party so there's almost no chance he's Town. His power is also far too convenient. Two Moonspeaks die and suddenly he claims the ability to hit Moonspeak people? TAA: Why did you nuke heist? What in the world is your reason? Looks like he just jumped on the everyone is nuking I can too without being suspected bandwagon. You've also been fairly useless and unconvicted of trying to lynch anyone. Navillus: Again pure nameclaim suspicion. This: 1. MountBORTon. Highly unlikely that this wouldn't be MountBOREton if it actually was legit. 2. Boreritish spelled wrong. With this: And then this: Misspelled claim, says he copy pasted and then says he misspelled his claim later. I really have to go to bed (grumpy gf) but I promise more thoughts in the morning. *sighs* you know as I typed that last one I actually thought to myself that someone might take my use of the word misspell as a clue not just me picking the most convenient word, I just didn't think any of you were really that anal about word choice. Ok fine I will not make a single statement from now on that could be construed as anything less than 110% pro town, but seriously going around jumping on individual words like what basically your entire case against me is won't get you anywhere and will probably lead to some mislynches. Townies, or at least I as a townie am no more likely to choose my words really carefully than I am as scum, in fact I'd probably be much more careful if I were scum. And I repeat, no one has explained in any way how a misspelling (as taken from a PM) is in ANY WAY more likely to come from scum than town, in fact had that been a typo as scum I wouldn't have used the implausible, "the PM was wrong" I would have said it was a typo and everyone would have gone on with their lives, now I'm serious if you keep trying to use that to accuse me at least try and pretend like it's a logical argument, until then it's just the lowest form of OMGUS. | ||
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On July 11 2011 16:27 Drazerk wrote: Right this grew 10 pages and everything and I need to leave soon. I highly doubt anyone other than me has not got the word bore in my name caller made it pretty clear that I was the only non boring British person and to do it I had to fake role claim every day ( Until he messed up my power and changed my role ) Holy shit, you know what I fucking give up, if you guys are really going to become that obsessed with the spelling in my attempt at a helpful role claim then I don't see what I can do, but Caller and OriginalName if that lack of an e was also a typo so help me god I will hunt you two down. Now it's 3 AM where I am please just kill me before I wake up | ||
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On July 12 2011 03:44 Mig wrote: Prlp why do you pop in say you can nuke then disappear But fine I will try ##nuke: Kitaman27 If GM/Navillus/Curu/Coag see this in time also try and nuke kita please. Because I am not sure if mine will count. Is there any way to check whether your nuke will go through before I waste one? | ||
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On July 12 2011 04:30 Mig wrote: This is what caller posted last night. So gogo nuke kita, Why does this mean that we should nuke kita? | ||
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##Nuke Kitaman27 ##Vote TheAwesomeAll | ||
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I promised Heist that I would switch my vote to you if he flipped town, him flipping town means that he was honestly very sure that you are scum, also if I'm nuking Kita there's no point leaving my vote on him and you are the second scummiest person here. | ||
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On July 12 2011 04:52 Mig wrote: YM/Chaos both dead confirmed also one other person I forget. Navillus/decuondo are both alive and claimed british. Ok I'm gonna go through why it's unlikely that I'm scum. First to address the issues brought up, the misspelling of boreritish (and the lack of 'bore' in my name) both came directly from a copy and paste, no one has given an actual reason why the first spelling issue (that is the misspelling of boreritish) makes it any more likely that I am scum, and I think most logical people here will see that that's a very silly argument. My name not having bore I will concede is weirder and possibly a mistake in the PM, possibly caller deciding to make my life even more difficult, but I will point out again that it's extremely unlikely that I would go through British history (which I know almost nothing about) find probably the only person from WWII who had bore basically already in his name, and not spell it as bore. Even if you don't accept that I really hope you will at least accept that two spelling errors are not so large that I should be killed for them, especially after so many people pointed out the dubious usefulness of hunting through nameclaiming. Which brings me to my second point, I claimed because I saw the number of people claiming Brit and that it was already at a suspicious level without me, this means that my claim was clearly an attempt to help the town by showing that there are way to many Brit claims for there not to be scum in them, and the thing is I don't FoS anyone in particular, so we clearly know that at least one or two of the claims are scum and I'm in no way trying to direct away/towards anyone... If I were scum I could've just gotten a another scum killed with this. Also if I were scum I wouldn't choose to claim Brit because it just puts me on a list of suspicious people to do so. Finally the post by caller does prove that I had an extra life which certainly doesn't confirm me as Brit but makes it more likely | ||
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On July 12 2011 05:00 TheAwesomeAll wrote: shit im an idiot the nuke at kita got shot down, that means his claim doesnt mean anything lol. also why would a townie waste an anti on someone immune? he is beyond doubt scum, now someone with a nuke gogogo. Well I fired a nuke at him so we're good on that front, wait do we need to declare nukes in the voting thread? | ||
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What happens if a nuke lands on and kills someone to end the day, and that person also has the most lynch votes? | ||
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