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You were in the #mafia channel that I'm opped in! red brought you there, yes? Wasn't sure if you were uber newb or not. We've had a lot lately. | ||
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Interesting concept, methinks. On June 28 2011 12:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, since lurking is defined by third party judgement, there's a chance that Spammers will also show up on the lurker list, due to quality of posts and actual word count. Shoot who you think is scummy, not who you think is worthless. -_- I have to say I really agree with wiggles here. In the end, it is up to the person who has the role and that is what I like best. Things tend to get messy when other people get involved. On June 28 2011 12:24 chaos13 wrote: Does that really warrant an FoS? Are you willing to vote to back that up right now? Things like this should be kept in mind and used as evidence later on in the day phase when you actually have enough information and evidence to confidently label someone as scum. What it seems like here is that you're pushing a scum agenda trying to create an anti-town atmosphere of paranoia and weakly based suspicion. It feels weird to have FoS' this early in the game. Is it really that possible to get a read on anyone at this stage in the game? I mean, maybe that's how you roll, even with people whose metas and playstyles you don't know. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. It just seems strange that anyone can have a read they feel solid enough to place a FoS on at this stage in the game. On June 28 2011 12:28 sinani206 wrote: He knows the basics from IRL (no shit everyone does) and plays some SC2 Mafia. Not everyone here has played mafia irl. I know I haven't. Everyone here seems to have different backgrounds. I'm excited. | ||
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I find what RoL just posted very interesting. I am curious to see how this will work. | ||
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On June 28 2011 13:38 Varpulis wrote: Why the fuck do you have Kenpachi on the "skilled vets" list? He doesn't do shit all game, so mafia never bothers to kill him until they've already killed everybody useful. This is a fact. Put him on the intermediate list, if anywhere. If the lurker list mechanic is targeting one specific person, it's Kenpachi. I really have to agree here. I played one game with him and it just... was painful waiting for him to speak. However, iirc, he wasn't too bad at finding scum. On June 28 2011 13:40 chaos13 wrote: This is exactly what makes it effective. Because, if the veteran/experienced players are town, they are likely to be shot early on by mafia. The mafia players will still be alive, however, (provided they haven't been lynched/vigi shot, and depending on their skill level they will probably be easily able to avoid this) and therefore when you have one or two skilled players who have not been killed early on, you need to start looking really closely at their posts because it is that much more likely (based on simple probability) that they are mafia. From that point, you can make a reasonable guess as to their alignment based on analysis. I don't think a list such as this is necessary. Not everyone will kill the most experienced players first. Oftentimes, softclaiming players (something I'm terrible for on MS) and obvtown newbs get killed (at least in my experience). Obvtown usually isn't terribly good for scum to keep around unless they are really easy to manipulate, from what I've seen. This means that the people left alive are not necessarily scum. Also, WIFOM. Because people are more prone to expect those vets who are leftover to be scum, I feel that's kind of game-breaking, regardless of their alignments. Is a Zodiac List different from any other kind of list or is it just from a specific game I haven't stumbled across yet? | ||
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The LSB kill doesn't entirely make sense to me, but I suppose yes, he was kind of obviously town. On June 28 2011 18:06 gtrsrs wrote: lol okay tough guy anyways jesus christ i was out moving furniture at my g/f's house all day and there's like 16 pages to read. def not gonna even attempt until tomorrow morning/afternoon. i might already even be dead! :x Someone feels hostile and I don't much care for this attitude. Why would he say he might already be dead? Logically, this doesn't make sense to me. Everyone feels so strongly about GM. I think he's town. He has acted very much in the way he did the last game I played with him. In that game, I knew he was town. Again, I don't really think it is all that likely and is mostly WIFOM that everyone on the lurker list will be town. Sure, if you get a mafia result, it may be miller, but, it still very well could be scum. On June 28 2011 22:39 Jackal58 wrote: Hey I have an idea. Let's drop the lurker discussion. RoL in his divine infinite wisdom put mechanics into the game that allow blues to specifically deal with the issue. It would seem to me any further discussion of the issue is an attempt by scum to lure out our dt's and vigis. It serves no other purpose at this point. Would seem to me that's what got LSB shot. Scum took a chance on him being a DT. Sinani206- Wtf dude? Leaders are scum? You prefer town to be all about flailing arms and pissing contests? Aimless drifting and lynch votes easily influenced by your scumbuddies? Seriously man that's the scummiest assertion so far in this game. ##Vote:Sinani206 It feels very weird to agree with Jackal, but here I do. Leaders tend to be good for town, in my experience, especially with a lot of newer players around. I don't see taking the lead scummy and it does bother me that people don't like that. On June 29 2011 00:21 TheAwesomeAll wrote: if GM is scum, he is GF. Please dont check him. Why would scum make their GF the most obvious GF choice? If he is scum, which I doubt, I think he's anything else. But I really think he's town. But DTs should do what they think is best. The amount of jumping about is astounding. On June 29 2011 03:55 Kenpachi wrote: sorry im at my friend's house. I'll go read the thread once i get home. BTW, im Kenpachi and Im a Townie. What the hell Kenpachi? Why... WHY did you say that? I feel this probably wasn't in your best interests, sorry bud. However, you're actually town, so... | ||
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On June 29 2011 05:01 Jackal58 wrote: And posts like these make the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Scum slip? I just meant that from what I've seen of his play, I feel he is town. I tend to say things in the definite and not in the possible. I'm sorry. | ||
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You keep making me worry when nothing even happens. You are a very distracting mod. | ||
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I will be voting one of him and hiro after I reread the thread after I finish cleaning my room. | ||
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On June 29 2011 13:01 sandroba wrote: Since when is the lynch between hiro and Drazerk? We are mid way through the day ffs. I like how you don't even explain how drazerk is scum in the first place. That goes for most people voting for him. The way this bandwagon is forming quickly I'm pretty sure it would be a mistake to kill him. Also I'd like to hear from GGQ and Opz. I'm not shy about killing vets day1 and will tunnel you forever if you don't start posting opinions in this thread. I previously stated I was leaving and coming back to reread to decide between two people for MY vote. I never said it was the lynch. I was informing people of my vote as in the last game I played on TL, it was pretty much frowned upon to not tell people in the game thread. | ||
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On June 29 2011 13:12 chaos13 wrote: As for syllogism, a smart townie would not even ask such a question in the thread, especially if they are a blue. Rather, they would PM a host, because softclaiming blue like that would make a BIG target for a scum hit. A post like the one being referenced should take away town cred rather than provide it. I do agree with this, especially the PMing a mod bit, but what if he's just trying to lure a hit away from a blue? I know, this is WIFOM-y in and of itself. This also probably depends on how new he is to mafia (I'm unsure, I've never played with him). Again, though, I do think he's town. | ||
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On June 29 2011 13:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'm pretty sure I said it before, but let me state it again, explicitly: Don't lynch who you think is more useless, lynch who you think is scummier If you think Drazerk is scummier, then by all means carry on, but if you think Hiro might be scummier, but Drazerk is more useless, then you should reconsider. Of course, I don't know your full thought process, but from what you wrote, it looks like you settled on two people and just picked the one contributing less. On a side note, I'm taking a look at Drazerk, especially with gems like this: "Hi, remember that thing I did in that other game when I was town, well I'm doing it again, so I must be town, right?  "I'm not sure if he's scum or bad town at this point though, so I'm going to wait a little before jumping on a bandwagon, and go through his posts in other games, maybe. Then: + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 12:58 Palmar wrote: Whatever, if you guys insist on clearing people on STUFF THAT ISN'T IN THE GAME, I'm going to do the same. Syllo popped on IRC at some point today and asked "does GF always submit mafia kills when he is still alive?". This doesn't paint him scum, again, generally I'd assume the guy could ask his scum team, but I'm not eating up some bullshit excuse that he's probably blue. he has one stupid out-of-the-game thing going for him, and one against him. I'd rather that NEITHER were brought up as an issue, but since someone is using that to defend him, I'm going to use that to accuse him. Pretty sure you can't use something someone said outside the thread, as there aren't PMs allowed in this game. I don't even know why he's asking questions in a public irc, and not just PMing the host or asking here. -_- Also: GGQ, why are you bringing up lists again, and at this point in time, when we're done talking about them, and then using that list that isn't even thorough/complete compared to the one GM made? I do find him scummier than Hiro, and as they were the two people I had in mind that I wanted to lynch, I chose him as well. I could have sworn I'd written that into my post announcing it. Apparently I'm not fully here. I'm sincerely hoping that exchange on IRC palmar spoke of did not actually happen as it sounds kind of ridiculous and is it not technically against the rules as well? It feels unsettling but I want to see what Syllo says about this claim Palmar's made (And to see if they're both on the same page about it). In regards to Wiggles quoting Wiggles, I agree completely. It really is a pain when people read maybe halfway through and THEN start posting without finishing. Things tend to change in relevancy with each passing page. | ||
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On June 29 2011 22:36 DropBear wrote: Lanaia this doesn't make sense at all. What do you mean by jumpy and how does being jumpy make one mafia? Everything you feel has been said by others. People have been saying a lot of stuff! Which bits are those that you feel? You've carefully avoided giving any real reason at all. The jumpyness I refer to is ugh, never mind. Now that I reread the voting thread, he's not nearly so jumpy and votehoppy. I suppose it was more a case of me wanting him to be scum. However, I do still find him scummy. I mean, I've never played with him (not sure if he's new or not...) but parts of his behaviour don't make sense. His latching on to GM bothered me. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote: How do I always get pinned as mafia within the first day... Do you really want me to start martyring again? left right and centre? Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive ) As for Hiro I did not get into the day until after he dropped off and am going to need to look at all of his posts again before I say anything. I don't like the threat of martyring here. It doesn't prove anything, nor does it disprove anything. It seems kind of pointless. + Show Spoiler + [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124¤tpage=19#363] Again, I know a lot of people have brought this up but I found this post kind of unnecessary. He'd barely actively said anything about GM being scum. Now he's all buddy-buddy with GM. It kind of hurts my head. When I said jumpy, this is what I'd initially meant. (However, I'd thought he was following GM's vote pattern exactly and when, and only when GM voted. My bad.) + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 08:56 Drazerk wrote: Well looks like I am dead, At least when I am dead ill flip green Proving GM is innocent. Was bound to happen as I am always day 1 lynch suspect. When I die you will be at a disadvantage but at least you will have a Guaranteed Townie. ( Medics better defend him don't let my death be in vain ) I'm off to bed Again, I know this doesn't affect HIS alignment, but it bothers me. And can anyone validate what I've bolded in this quote? He seems almost... bored? I think that's the right word. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 01:15 Drazerk wrote: Well that one is unexpected - Go on scan me i have nothing to hide Something about this post rubs me the wrong way. I'm not sure what it is, but there's something unsettling to me there. | ||
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On June 30 2011 05:24 Palmar wrote: If you don't like jokes, (which calling myself a title used by qaddafi obvously is) just skip them. I hope you aren't really so thick that you can't tell a tiny joke inside a serious post. And yes, I said I was taking the reins and I will be calling for authority. Obviously everyone should follow me because after exploring the situation with a critical mind they agree I'm acting in the best interest of town. Call me out when I'm wrong, but at the moment, I intend to keep attempting to lead the town and help get us going in the right direction. I expect more help from you in the coming days Varpulis, you're a good player but sometimes you just seem to disappear. Palmar, I'd tone down on that a little bit. Just in case, you know? It's something that shouldn't be declared so loudly in a game. Just like the last game I played with Kenpachi and he called himself a faithful bodybag which made me feel he was scum (both BGs had died). On June 30 2011 06:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Well, it looked like a pretty scummy thing to me when I looked at it again. At first, I thought it might've been bad town play (I have a post somewhere saying that) or scummy, but decided on it as being scummy after a while. I'm thinking I might need to re-evaluate though, as both you and ~OpZ~ have expressed doubts about it being a big deal. To be honest, it was pretty much the thing that pushed me over to thinking he was scum, as he blatantly pointed out that he did it as town. Maybe I just haven't seen enough people be self-referential to meta in a bad way like that yet. =/ Time to think, let me know if you have anything to add to what you said. He was pressing the fact he's done it as town far too much. I know that that was something I used to do a ton as scum on IRC (I've only been scum once on a forum). It sent these chills down my spine. Also, is it just me or does it look like several people will be modkilled for not voting? | ||
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On June 30 2011 07:34 Jackal58 wrote: I for one have no intentions of being modkilled. Nor have I firmly decided on who to vote for yet. On June 30 2011 07:52 Jackal58 wrote: Who the fuck is Torqez and why is he getting no love? He's who I was referring to the most. He's from the place where I play mafia on IRC. He hasn't been there since this game started. | ||
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I promise you I will post in the morning. I've got the worst headache and my ears are all allergylike. I'm not sure about forum games, but is scum likely to bus? | ||
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On July 01 2011 01:19 chaos13 wrote: Why, because you're just a goon? Even if you are a veteran and taking a hit would confirm you, it's better to kill a mafia than confirm a townie. You're not making any sense to me GM. You're playing a more pro-town game than almost anyone, and yet every now and then you post something like this that just doesn't make sense. However, I doubt a mafia would call a vigi shot to them. I agree with chaos13 here. GM's play is making my head spin because of this play of his. I don't think he should have said anything and should have waited until a vig hit, and then possibly said something? I don't know, but I know I don't like what he's done here. And I don't like how he's constantly talking about it. It feels really damn wifom-y to me. I'm not going to give a list of people I think should be vigged or protected. Those who should be protected are probably obvious. I have this crazy sensation that sinasi206 or however you spell it is scum. I will have to reread him in isolation though. | ||
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On July 01 2011 03:33 Palmar wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10062251 I don't care if he's acted pro-town. GM is way too good at this game to do what I described in this short analysis. I never said I still think he's town. I read your post and I agree with it. Especially the toe-dipping analogy. I feel it really fits. As you've said, I also think he should be shot, but it really bothers me that he's actively seeking it out. If he isn't shot today, I'll probably vote for him. | ||
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On July 01 2011 05:37 Varpulis wrote: I've got some issues with Lanaia's posting. It's quite apologetic, and he is constantly making excuses in case somebody has a problem with his posts. + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 13:01 Lanaia wrote: It feels weird to have FoS' this early in the game. Is it really that possible to get a read on anyone at this stage in the game? I mean, maybe that's how you roll, even with people whose metas and playstyles you don't know. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. It just seems strange that anyone can have a read they feel solid enough to place a FoS on at this stage in the game. On June 28 2011 13:07 Lanaia wrote: I'm actually legitimately confused when it comes to strategies involving the lurker list. Logically, I cannot fathom how one would be possible without outing everything we want to have kept hidden. Personally, I think it isn't a good idea and I will probably not take part in that, given it occurs. I am not good at planning and having a group planned with me. (Especially not with people I have never played with before) I find what RoL just posted very interesting. I am curious to see how this will work. On June 29 2011 04:12 Lanaia wrote: All right, so sorry I've been away since last night. Today has been busier than expected. The LSB kill doesn't entirely make sense to me, but I suppose yes, he was kind of obviously town. <rest of post snipped> On June 29 2011 05:02 Lanaia wrote: I just meant that from what I've seen of his play, I feel he is town. I tend to say things in the definite and not in the possible. I'm sorry. On June 29 2011 13:28 Lanaia wrote: Guys I really suck at posting in an aesthetically pleasing manner. I am very sorry for that. On June 30 2011 15:05 Lanaia wrote: I'm really sorry for my lack of activity in the past few hours. I promise you I will post in the morning. I've got the worst headache and my ears are all allergylike. I'm not sure about forum games, but is scum likely to bus? He's explaining away things that nobody is asking him about (activity) and apologizing for mistakes with almost every other post. He's buddying up with pro-town players (wiggles, Palmar) and agreeing with them to try to appear more town himself. I'm not confident that he's scum, but i'm quite suspicious at this point. I have a tendency to overapologize in real life as well. Supersoft calling me cute (which I had managed to miss until I saw it quoted) feels weird to me. I'd like to be treated like anyone else. Right now, it feels like maybe half the game is talking at a decent pace. Has RoL said what'll happen about Torqez? Right now I'm rereading the thread. The most enthusiastic person is . In my experience, the most enthusiastic people tend to be scum. However, these people are still capable of lurking. Also Torqez is/was probably scum. It wasn't a scumslip when I said kenpachi was town. He just didn't seem scum! Okay, GM is the most overly enthusiastic/excitable person in this thread. I am going to vote him because he is assbackwards and confusing the hell out of me. I don't see the town motivation. | ||
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Kenpachi please contribute or don't bother posting one liners. "hahahaha" is never going to help us. Please stop lurking. It's kind of irritating. I mean, I know I'm not doing that well at being super-active, but I'm trying. This, what you're doing, isn't even trying. | ||
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I was a bit surprised by the bomb, but oh well! | ||
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