Real Time Mafia

On June 26 2011 19:23 Palmar wrote:
/in

On June 26 2011 23:16 Varpulis wrote:

I fear for our detectives....

Expect me to mix up Sinani201 and sinani206 often. I request that people do not refer to either of them as sinani, because that could get seriously confusing.

On June 28 2011 00:24 chaos13 wrote:
We should start this game soon. I'm really looking forward to it

On June 28 2011 12:21 Sinani201 wrote:


You're already voting for me?

First off, I am not Sinani201. I'm Nisani201.

Second of all, if you want me to make a post, you could have asked nicely.

I don't have anything to contribute yet. I'm reading every single post, and when I feel like I have enough information, I will contribute.

On June 28 2011 14:38 GMarshal wrote:
A pro-town atmosphere is one in which it is possible to scumhunt and read the thread without having to wade through crap. Its explained in Ver's town guide, but basically it means no mud flinging, no beating dead horses, avoiding unjustified OMGUS and generally behaving as gentlemen towards each other. If we do this we can generate and use information, it will also encourage newer posters to post. Thats the theory at least ^_^

To achieve this don't random FoS, treat even stupid ideas with respect (shoot them down, but theres no need to say "God you moron, you suck" just shoot it down) and behave in a way that makes people *want* to post and listen to what you have to say.

Also that post you pointed out is also similar to my post in the first 4 min of Closed Casket Mafia . Its a stylistic choice, and I really like the pictures of the grim reaper (not to mention I have like 12 I had ready for CCM, but then I was killed... ;_;) . Plus I hate lurkers, and I needed a conversation starter, so I chose to talk about them.

Any other questions?

On June 28 2011 14:53 GMarshal wrote:

I haven't read anything sinister into it, as I see it the Sinani twins are close friends, and to me it looks like casual banter/poking fun. It might be revealing later, when I have a stronger read on them, but as of right now I just see it as two pals fooling around. You've made your opinion of their exchange clear.

What do you think of VisceraEyes being so upset at you being included as a "vet" in my list?
Have you formed an opinion about ym yet, if so, what is it?

On June 28 2011 11:57 youngminii wrote:
Good post GMarshal, I wasn't aware scum were targeting lurkers too this game. It's almost as if they're a 3rd party faction. I like how you make a giant warning against lurkers when the game itself is designed to punish them.

On June 28 2011 12:20 youngminii wrote:

Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting.

FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage.

On June 28 2011 14:38 GMarshal wrote:
A pro-town atmosphere is one in which it is possible to scumhunt and read the thread without having to wade through crap. Its explained in Ver's town guide, but basically it means no mud flinging, no beating dead horses, avoiding unjustified OMGUS and generally behaving as gentlemen towards each other. If we do this we can generate and use information, it will also encourage newer posters to post. Thats the theory at least ^_^

On June 28 2011 16:25 GMarshal wrote:

Sure thing. Please post a more coherent argument. Let me reply to what you have

1.) Duh, anyone with a braincell should have known LSB was town.
2.) I thought of a *similar* plan, but I couldn't (still can't) think of a way to make use of it without having DTs claim. I am against ousting blue roles.
3.) Yes I am. I made my case why, and you should understand it. Vigis have a lurker only KP, they might as well use it, no? All lurkers are traitors, by definition. Ace said it best in my first game, I think, kill scum, and those who will not help you kill scum (not an exact quote, but I don't feel like looking it up)
4.) He admitted to fucking up with the medic thing, because he thought scum had 1 kp. If I think someone is scum I call them out on it. I just think YM is playing poorly, but not necessarily scummy. remember what we said about bad plans? Hell I missed that he made a posts about medics till you pointed it out and I had to go back and check.

I don't see your case, but if you bring up any new points I will gladly answer them, so far it seems to me that you are dead set on me being mafia for some reason. I won't appeal to meta, but my alignment should be evident by now.

On June 28 2011 14:44 sinani206 wrote:
Pro-Town atmosphere would ideally be:

1. No taking lead.
   Being a "leader" seems really scummy to me. I just have this innate bias that leaders are mafia, and even though there is quite a slim chance of them being scum, if they are, town has already lost.
   
   
2. No spamming.
   As has been mentioned before, all spamming does is derail town. It makes posts hard to find and confuses people so that scum are harder to analyse and pin for what they really are.
   
   
3. Active scumhunting.
   Scumhunting is obviously very pro-town. It gives the town a good discussion point and helps (obviously) find mafia. No reason not to do this.
   
   
4. No lurking.
   Lurking is confusing for all players who aren't lurking. It makes you hard to analyse. Obviously with all the anti-lurking abilities in this game, it isn't much of an issue, but keep this in mind.
   
   

That pretty much covers it. If anyone has any additions, feel free to share. Keep all of these points in mind when posting and analyzing.

Off to play some SotIS and then go to sleep. Probably won't check the thread until morning. Good night folks!

On June 28 2011 14:44 sinani206 wrote:
[*]No taking lead.
Being a "leader" seems really scummy to me. I just have this innate bias that leaders are mafia, and even though there is quite a slim chance of them being scum

On June 28 2011 21:21 Palmar wrote:
I disagree DropBear.

This couldn't be any more clear. We have a requirement to post actively and work pro-town in this game. We actually have a specific mechanic to help us identify the people that aren't actively posting.

Being on the lurker list is not pro-town.

Any town people on the list should really be banned for game-throwing, but aside from that, they should be shot. They should not be DT checked, reserve that for players who actually post but look scummy. And of course medics should already be thinking about their targets, but don't you dare try to direct the medics or I'll hang you.

Take it those who deserve it, if you're town, and you end up on the lurker list, you're trying to lose, you're gamethrowing intentionally, you're ruining the game and I hope I never have to play with you again.

Obviously, this hopefully won't be a problem, because any town trying to win the game will NOT be on the lurker list, and thus the mafia are forced to not be on it either.

All I want for Christmas is an empty lurker list.

Shape up people, get posting.

And GM, even though I agree with you about lynching lurkers, DropBear's question about your OMGUS vote really needs answering. Why the hell should we trust someone who can't even follow his own policies?

On June 28 2011 21:37 Palmar wrote:


No one should be on the lurker list.

Of course the mafia isn't going to be there.

But there is no reason for town to be there either. you dig?

On June 29 2011 00:05 youngminii wrote:
syllogism
he hasn't posted squat worth anything, all he's done is give a pretty damn blanket post regarding the setup
his only real post in this thread is a bunch of "blues you should do this, but then maybe not because of that, but then you should be keeping this in mind... oh and we should avoid wifom"
however, basically everything he has said creates wifom AND he's just lacing the thread with his 'content' posts without any scumhunting whatsoever, just making a post here and there

very suspicious to me, much more so than sinani206

On June 29 2011 00:31 youngminii wrote:

You're right. Let's just all post blanket statements since there's clearly nothing we can do on Day 1.

Orrrrrr we can actually do something and maybe that will be cause for analysis for LATER and give us information for LATER.

What do you think of GMarshal? Do you think TAA has any justification in his accusations?

On June 29 2011 01:26 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
YM and Syllo stop arguing with each other, you arent producing anything.


Who are you talking about? What do you think? cast your vote?
You are soft defending him, like really really soft. Almost as if you dont want to be associated with him if he were to turn red. Dont do that .
Also you are playing so defensive

what was that post about, who is accusing you?

On June 29 2011 02:24 Mig wrote:
The case against sinani is unbelievably weak. He has been useless every game he has played but he has been a lot more active this game than when he was mafia. I am suspicious of anyone who just insta jumped on his bw, palmar/db/draz/jackal.

Jackal especially looks incredibly suspicious to me. Jackal is a very good vet and he has played the last couple of games with sinani and knows how bad he is. Yet he comes in posts a very short attack of sinani votes and disappears wtf? Where is the normal jackal who actually is active and puts pressure on people?

Awesome I disagree with the GM lynch. I think GM has been trying to be pro town and when I have seen him play mafia in the past he is rarely this outspoken and active. This basically seems like GM town play 101. There are way better targets for a day 1 lynch than someone who is as active as him.

On June 29 2011 02:22 sinani206 wrote:

I never said we should kill the leaders. I said that if they do happen to be Mafia, it's ㅈㅈ already. I'm telling players not to take lead because of this. I didn't say to kill leaders, I said to not become one.

On June 29 2011 02:41 GMarshal wrote:
It wasn't OMGUS, as far as I'm concerned, he said "I'm keeping my eye on GM", but I voted for him because I felt like his post was
1.) Cynic and bashing our efforts thus far
2.) Weak as hell, he had an accusation of hiro, but no vote and about two lines of reasoning. Now I happen to agree with him, but I wanted to see him commit to voting hiro, to see how serious he is. Remember a mafia trait is to start wagons without committing to them. I wanted to see commitment. His reaction was interesting, but not damning, and he did vote for hiro, which assuaged some of my doubts, but I want to keep my vote on him till there is somewhere better to put it.

Sorry I went to bed, any other questions?

As for the person who said that promising analysis is scummy, its only scummy when you don't deliver, I will, its just I like to dedicate most of day 1 to information gathering. ^_^

(and TAA, I love smilies, I use them a lot. See experimental mafia II for other "cutesy" things I like, I'm very eccentric )

On June 29 2011 03:01 Mig wrote:


Sinani has been useless every game he has played why is he more useless/scummy this game? Look at his first game as mafia he attempted to fake contribute heavily to stay under the radar. I haven't really seen him do any of that.

The better targets day 1 I think are guys like Jackal who aren't contributing and are playing out of character or someone like Eiii who promises to be pro town and contribute his thoughts then goes right back to lurking without actually providing any content.



No no active definitely does not just equal town, but I mean in general I would prefer to lynch someone less active day 1 because as long as GM is alive he is going to be active and so we are going to have a ton of information to use to determine whether he is town or mafia.

Hm I do agree though that GM's case against you is incredibly weak. But I will wait to see how he follows up on it before instantly declaring him scum for it.

I will say that If GM continues with just posting pro town advice and not any actual good analysis and scum hunting I would be willing to change my opinion about him.

On June 29 2011 03:10 GMarshal wrote:
I'll move my vote to hiro. When I feel its time. I thought something was off about TAA, and I thought having a vote on him might make him squirm. He hasn't quite twiched the way I expected, which is good, so I will move my vote off, eventually, as of right now Im curious as to the uproar its causing. . I made my vote based on his initial post, and I still feel like it was justified.

Why are you so upset about my vote though? Its only one vote, and you *know* how I like to move my vote around day 1. Why aren't you bothered by any of the *other* votes in the thread?

And lynching one of the most active players day 1 is as retarded as it gets, you lynch a mid tier activity player, one who is posting without calling attention to himself.

On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote:
Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive )

On June 29 2011 03:48 Palmar wrote:


On the contrary DropBear, I don't find him overenthusiastic at all. I really like TAA's playstyle and I think he's doing more to help us than anyone else at the moment.

So GM and TAA agree on Hiro Protagonist. What I can tell you about Hiro's meta is that he's usually quite reserved, both as scum and as town. His borderline spam post style in this game is a new thing for me, but it could both be an attempt at improving his town game, or it could be him trying to distance himself from the quiet playstyle he's displayed as mafia.

All in all, I kind of like the vote on him.

Sinani206 will you please make some kind of a contribution? Can you point us in the direction of a scummy player?

On June 29 2011 04:03 GMarshal wrote:

Its not *that* he agreed, but how he went about agreeing with me. "I 100% agree" adds nothing new to the discussion, while he could have made new points or explained his reasoning. That is what bothers me, not the agreement. Its really easy to say "I agree", harder to actually contribute arguments. My beef with him isn't what he has said, its what he *hasn't* said, which is anything that is new or controversial. Honestly I'm not sure of his alignment, but I want to be which is why I'm voting for him, to encourage him to make a case on someone else, or a contribution, anything I can use to figure him out really.

On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup town!

I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.

so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).

Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.

On June 29 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:
Btw GM started the game out really strong.

Are we ignoring the possibility of him being the mafia that TAA found? For a relatively new player like TAA (btw, don't be sad, you played well), checking the most outspoken person in the game sounds like a clever thing to do.

I'm going to go back and have a look at the timings.

On June 25 2011 09:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Detective: You are a detective. You have two powers. Starting Day 1 you may choose to check a players role. Once the action is submitted, it takes you 12 hours to perform the investigation and you will receive your result 12 hours after the action is submitted.