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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Chezinu
United States7448 Posts
Let the SIFZ join forces with the NIKZ and entrap the mafia forces! The Day isn't over! We can still lynch Ace's fat neck once again in hopes that he will subside. It is not too late! | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On July 05 2011 04:40 Palmar wrote: Why are you assuming only 2 scum remain? Because no one else makes sense as scum. If there are more I'm fucking oblivious to who it can be. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On July 05 2011 04:52 Chezinu wrote: I think LSB could be innocent. If he was mafia, he took a big risk claiming that I was vanilla townie -- unless of course mafia have a detective role. Let the SIFZ join forces with the NIKZ and entrap the mafia forces! The Day isn't over! We can still lynch Ace's fat neck once again in hopes that he will subside. It is not too late! I'm unlynchable aka Kingdom of Whoring. Come at me bro. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7448 Posts
On July 05 2011 04:38 sandroba wrote: I claimed already, vanilla townie. Well either LSB is lieing and fooled me all game and him and jonn are scum OR chezinu is godfather along with kurumi. Only one thing doesn't feel right about LSB claim to me, which is the fact that LSB claimed a shot night 2 which was theoretically the only night caller did not shoot. Also he claimed to have shot RoL and somehow he did not die. Either way I like hanging chezinu better today. ##Vote: Chezinu Your claiming vanilla now? RoL self-protected himself obv? Why are you lynching me when there are so many blue roles? Don't lynch me just because I had faith that in both Fishball and Caller. Especially when there are soo many blue roles claims! | ||
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Chezinu
United States7448 Posts
On July 05 2011 04:54 sandroba wrote: Because no one else makes sense as scum. If there are more I'm fucking oblivious to who it can be. If there are only two.. Then it would make since that one would claim blue! | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
______________________________________________________ To: Jackal58 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Oh hey! Date: 6/30/11 13:42 You and I can PM back and forth! This is actually really good for us because now I don't need to worry about posting as much, and I don't have to FoS you! I was allowed to receive a random partner who was pro-town, so I know that you are not mafia. You can use this information to confirm yourself if you need to, assuming I die or we don't publicize our PM contact. Anybody who tries to attack you about your alignment should pretty much be FoSed. You don't need to trust me if you don't want to. If you still think I'm scum I can't stop you from assuming that. This game is hard to play, especially trusting people in such a closed setup. I'm going to wait to see what to do today. I would like to push another lynch on Viscera if BC decides to target him. I'm not really good at persuading an entire town to vote for somebody [see Day 1]. I also want to see how far Caller goes to take out LSB or ILJ. ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 6/30/11 22:02 Well Amber Ace sent me A PM informing me of your Mason status and also included in the PM that you are a town aligned player. So unless Ace has some sort of sick vindictive mind I believe you to be town as well. I just awoke. Let me go get caught up in the game and I will share my thoughts. ______________________________________________________ To: Jackal58 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 6/30/11 22:16 Oh cool I didn't know Ace would be so kind to us ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 6/30/11 23:42 I don't trust Ace as far as I can throw him in a game but I must put my faith in him as a host. And btw I'm just a vanilla townie. No special abilities here. What do you make of Fishballs claim? I'm inclined to believe him atm. I don't think the scum team would so easily put one of their own so close to a noose. I see no glaring contradictions in RoL being scum. I was already leaning that way due to his vote swap on day 1. ______________________________________________________ To: Jackal58 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/1/11 00:11 To be honest a lot of what he posted aligns with what I thought. I posted defending BC's playing style when Viscera attacked it. I believe BC to be pro-town. I was highly suspicious of RoL when he came out of nowhere to pummel me after Viscera went after me. I mean now you can kinda see where my posts were coming from throughout Day 1. RoL's scumtells are almost too obvious. I had him pegged yesterday. I wasn't sure where to align myself in the whole dec vs. fishball thing yesterday. It really felt manipulated and choreographed. There was something off about it that made me feel like we should just ignore it. I was shocked that so many people voted for Decon. I think that list should be looked at for scum in the future if we're still stuck. I'm still stuck on whether to trust Fishball or not. His post is really convincing, and he usually doesn't stick his head out like this. He plays similarly to how I play in these games. With that said I've manufactured long posts like this prior to the day post just to make sure that I would have something ready early. I think the best thing to do is to just leave Fishball to fend for himself. Don't let him get protection and see what happens. It's tough to determine how scum will play it out since they may want to intentionally not kill him to make him look scummy, or they may try to out him before he becomes a problem. We can catch him in a lie if we get him to check one of us and he comes back with a wrong result. That's always an option. I don't think lynching Fishball is a good idea. We should have lynched Viscera yesterday, and we should still try to lynch him, but if the town is really adamant about following fishballs claim then we should go after RoL. I'm comfortable voting for either. ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/1/11 00:23 My only real problem is I'm going against my own mantra of calling all claims in a no flip game as bullshit. RoL is right in that aspect. If fishball is lying we are truly fucked. Perhaps as the day develops we can devise a means to verify his claim. Do you get to add a player each night? Or is it just a one off? ______________________________________________________ To: Jackal58 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/1/11 00:29 Just one. We're pretty much on our own. ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/1/11 00:42 Alright. That puts a limit upon how capable we will be in verifying fishball's claim. If we did devise a method that would compel him to check one of us his he will have to claim we are green regardless of his alignment. If he is scum he will also know that who ever he checked is in communication with another townie. With just the two of us I don't see how we can get a real check on him. I shall have to ponder this some more. ______________________________________________________ To: Jackal58 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/1/11 01:01 We shouldn't say he should check us, but if he somehow lands on checking either of us, there will be less of a reason for him to lie. I kinda want him to feel compelled to check either you or me without us asking him to do it. We have to give him the option to tell the truth: we're both innocent, or to slip up: consider one of us scum. Am I not understanding his role correctly? How would he know either of us are speaking to another townie? We're not openly claiming this PM session as of now right? I think not claiming and hanging onto the PM's for later is better. This way when one of us dies the other than confirm that a townie was killed, and that the other one is 100% pro-town, reducing the amount of suspects. I'm going to see how the other players react. I want to see how ILJ, Viscera, LSB, and BC react. If I read everything correctly they haven't posted about this. Also I'll just give this to you now, it's the people I'm pretty confident are pro-town aside from us: -Sandroba -Palmar -Radfield They're also going to be some of the tougher swing voters to convince. They're more skeptical to believe what people will say than any mafia. Mafia will be trusting if you frame the bullshit correctly. Anything to avoid killing their own. I just haven't figured out when and where to implement this idea ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/1/11 01:29 I was thinking if we made it obvious that one of us wanted to be checked it would be apparent that there is a PM circle of some sort in order to be able to verify it. If fishball is scum he won't be checking anybody and any town reads he posts are pretty much invalid anyways. He already knows. If fishball is a DT any reads he comes back with on us will be green. The only thing we can really do is hope he calls one of us scum. Or lynch him. If he is scum I think it most likely that he will check you and call you scum. I've been a pretty bland player up to this point. I agree on Sandroba. Palmar I'm not sure of. Maybe it's just because I don't like Palmar's play style. Radfield most likely town. He's asking to be subbed out. ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/1/11 04:22 What do you make of Caller and BC? ______________________________________________________ To: Jackal58 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/1/11 06:28 I really don't know what to think. Best case scenario is that they are both telling the truth. I mean it would be smart for Caller to hide his 2nd shot if he has 2. I somehow doubt there's a SK in this game since we had 2 hits night 0, and then 1, maybe 2 on night 1. No one claimed to have protected RoL, which probably would have helped more than hurt. We don't know if anyone went to kill RoL last night, so tonight should help us understand the KP situation a bit more. If we assume RoL was scum, why would Caller be all over his shit if he were scum too? Logically after Day 2 I would assume Caller to be pro-town, or an SK, if one exists. Why would BC lie? I don't think there was any reason for him to lie unless there was some valuable information. If you knew Caller was jerking us around saying he doesn't have any ammo, would you speak up? I don't think Caller shooting anybody proves anything. I kinda hope a medic jumps on BC tonight to protect him. The best thing to do is wait this out until tomorrow to see what happens. I kinda followed Callers logic, but at the same time I can't trust him. ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/3/11 00:44 I gotta believe at this point Caller is SK or scum. Too many bullets. Unless we do have a vig that called BS on fishballs dt claim. ______________________________________________________ To: Jackal58 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/3/11 06:02 Caller must be something anti town. Bc wouldn't just lie without any reason. I'm still stuck on him, lsb and chezinu. What do you think of lsbs joat claim ? ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/3/11 06:19 I think it's probably bs. LSB loves claiming shit he isn't. We have 1 shot more than we should with Callers RB claim. LSB claims caller visited BC. So who hit fishball? I think scum hit fishball and Caller hit BC. Or we have a vig in the game that called bs on fishballs DT claim. But we're running out of people. ______________________________________________________ To: Jackal58 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/3/11 08:43 So what about this ILJ claim? We need to figure out who's telling the truth and who's just bullshitting. What did BC mean to accomplish when he lied about his role? ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/3/11 10:33 I think ILJ and LSB may be scum together. Caller is 3rd party. Do you want to claim? We're running out of spots. I'll claim vanilla and let them lynch me to clear you. ______________________________________________________ To: Jackal58 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/3/11 22:59 Do you want me to just claim? There's no point in lynching one of us to confirm the other. Once the day post is up we'll go ahead and claim. It's going to be tough since we're the only people who have been in PM contact. I'll post our entire PM conversation. There's nothing to hide here anyway. ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/3/11 23:59 I was going to breadcrumb your role in case I die. I'm hoping scum may actually think I have an investigative type role. ----------------------- This is everything we discussed in order. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7448 Posts
On July 05 2011 04:55 Ace wrote: I'm unlynchable aka Kingdom of Whoring. Come at me bro. I have yet to roleclaim that game in hopes that it will one day continue.. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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Chezinu
United States7448 Posts
On July 05 2011 04:59 Amber[LighT] wrote: btw i believe there are wayyy too many blue claims... YAY!!!! SOMEONE AGREES!!!! | ||
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citi.zen
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
There are 5 townies and 3 mafia alive right now. Right now we are in LYLO There is only one way to avoid lylo even with a mislynch, that is if we lynch Palmar. I propose that today we lynch Palmar and tonight I will shoot Kurumi This presents 4 options that come up 1) Palmar is Town, Kurumi is Town Since Kurumi has veteran protection, only Palmar dies next night. We arrive at Day 5 with 4v3 Lylo 2) Palmar is Mafia, Kurumi is Town We net a mafia! But Kurumi should be able to stomach the shot. Mafia will be able to kill someone though, so leaving us at 4v2 LYLO. This should be much easier since we would have 4 confirmed town. LSB, Chez, Amber and Kurumi and Mafia can only target one of them 3) Palmar is town, Kurumi is Mafia Although we lose Palmar, mafia can't make a hit, and my hit on Kurumi goes through. That leaves us with a 4v2 LYLO 4) Palmar is Mafia, Kurumi is Mafia 2 mafia down. Woot Woot. We are in good shape with 4v1. ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
First of all, a medic veteran is pretty overpowered. So is a Mimic JOAT I guess, but the mimic powers was completely new and if you played with me before you know that I like to exploit mechanics. After grilling Ace through a few PMs, I figured I could turn it into the imba DT check + Vig shot. Something like a veteran medic is almost unkillable since the mafia does not have a roleblocker. Second of all, Kurumi did not protect RoL. So there still exists a high likelyhood that there is another medic in the game. That is incredibly improbable. Balance-wise you want # of Medics <= Mafia KP. With only 1 mafia KP, we should only expect to see one medic, if there are any at all that is. Third of all, his claim is incredibly convenient. Medic is an important enough role that the town wants to be careful around him, and Vet explains why he is alive. But why kill Palmar first? Well, by killing Palmar we get two things 1) We lynch someone with a dubious claim 2) We ensure that Kurumi survives the night if Palmar is actually town. Since I am the only one holding a KP, if the mafia KP is removed, Kurumi cannot be doublestacked and he will stay alive, this is important as the medic is a pretty important role in the game, in addition it allows us to confirm Kurumi. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
no matter their alignment (I checked with host when I received my role). | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
It's now 5v3 worst case, but yes, it'll be 4v3 tomorrow if you lynch me, as no one will be able to die during the night, town or scum. So if it makes you feel better, do it. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On July 05 2011 06:40 sandroba wrote: Kurumi it's kinda nice that you jump from Sandroba is obvious town to "he scumsliped" and votes for me for no reason. Also Chez and LSB both lieing about me not roleclaiming, when I was the first to do so, just to throw suspicion on me. Didn't notice your green claim sorry, someone stuck you on the blue list and when I ran though my search through the thread I couldn't find your claim so I assumed you didn't claim | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On July 05 2011 06:40 sandroba wrote: Kurumi it's kinda nice that you jump from Sandroba is obvious town to "he scumsliped" and votes for me for no reason. Also Chez and LSB both lieing about me not roleclaiming, when I was the first to do so, just to throw suspicion on me. I believed You claimed medic and You never were obvious town. You were 90% town based on that You're the medic. | ||
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