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##Unvote sinani206
##Vote: grassgiraffe
I admit that I sheepishly voted sinani based on weak logic and the desperate hope that he'd actually flip red. I agree that inactivity is more effectively dealt with now rather than later, and I hope the remaining lurkers after today will see GG as an example.
HA...GG.
GG, GG.
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On June 16 2011 13:43 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 12:52 ilovejonn wrote: Yeah, I feel scum are definitely content with the environment right now, and obviously liking the discussion at hand. We'd be better off voting for lurkers to force them to talk as I feel there are plenty of scum hiding right now. Night 0 start + half way through Day 1 and A LOT of people have bare minimum posts, heck some people haven't even started posting since the Day post. This really irks me. However, they WILL have to come up with a reason to vote anyways or risk being modkilled. I'm expecting by the end of the Day half ass bandwagons and reasons for voting will be formed and we can further examine those people.
Note: I'll be away from 11 am - 6 pm for most days coming. Good. Then You're a fine lynch candidate. I'm voting you. You have sucessfully completed 9 out of 10 scummy things. The tenth is to die red.
OpZ...this is the post coinciding with your vote thread. His post here was apparently enough to tip the scales for you from you being indifferent about who to lynch between aidnai, ILJ and sinani to now tunneling HARD to get ILJ lynched. What was so scummy about this post that pushed him over the edge for you?
To me, this post seems, if not a little obvious, at least true. What's the beef, brah?
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@OpZ
I didn't vote for sinani for inactivity. I voted for him for lacking content in his posts...which DID exist. He's active. He's just not very helpful at the moment.
What I find interesting about your answer is that you never really mention that as your reason until now. You just skip directly from indifference to tunnel-vision, not really giving any reason why he's the best lynch. But you do insist people change their votes. You even order them to do it.
Let me ask you this: you find someone who CLAIMS they're going to be inactive for X amount of time, a transparent act, MORE scummy than someone who pops in for LITERALLY ONE post, just to hop on the nearest bandwagon and disappear again?
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On June 17 2011 07:29 sandroba wrote:Okay people I ask you to turn your attention to this post:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 06:28 hiro protagonist wrote: yeah, thing is Mig, BC is calling out those lurkers to post. It worked too. So step it up guys if you want to play.
As for the lynch targets, sinani, and ILJ still look suspicious to me. ILJ more so, because his slip into lurker mode. I want to see him scum hunt, cus right now the only contribution I see from him is defending himself. However, I wont vote for him because he is under the gun, We have ample opportunity to see if he slips up, or scum tells.
One person that is really flying under the radar is Impervious. So far all his post have had little substance, and smell sightly of scum.
As for the lurkers, One stands out and thats grassgiraffe. The others have yet to post much but grass last post SCREAMS out "I made my vote, and I'm out". I know, because that sounds exactly like some of the lurkers in SNMMII. They would simply come in once or twice during the day and say,"yep, I agree with so and so, vote: name here". I am 90% sure he is town, and 100% sure we dont need him. come prove me wrong grass.
##Vote: grassgiraffe Serious scum slip right here. First of all, your reasoning for not voting jonn, which you are suspicious of, is totally bullshit. Second, how the fuck can you be 90% sure giraffe is town from the grand total of 1 post (which is a terrible post) he has made so far? Seems to me you have more information than I do. Even then, you are 90% sure he's town, you are suspicious of jonn and you quickly jump on giraffe bandwagon??? Hello contradiction! Vote for this mafia right now, day1 doesn't get any better than this.
I literally saw the exact same thing in that post...and ALMOST posted about it...but I don't feel it's a strong enough 'slip' to justify changing my vote again.
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YM, you didn't unvote LandenC before voting ILJ
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Everyone, everyone...calm down. Take a deep breath.
Good.
@sandroba
You're campaigning to lynch Hiro based on ONE post. It's not even the most scummy thing he's done today, why not go back and try and actually convince someone to join your crusade?
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It's not even THAT huge of a scum-slip, man. By saying he's "90% sure he's town" he could be expressing his disinterest in lynching an inactive...or expressing his certainty that HIS choice for a lynch is scum...it could be interpreted so many ways, I don't see how YOU can't see THAT.
Don't take this as me defending Hiro - I'm more asking you to bring something more...substantial to the table. It shouldn't be too hard if you're certain he's the best lynch for tonight.
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FoS Sandroba
He's either trying to protect someone by shifting votes last minute or making some kind scum-hunting-power-move. I'm more inclined to believe the former.
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@YM I'm not saying he's trying to hide his vote...I'm saying he's trying to get others who have already voted to unvote and vote for Hiro. And I find that particularly scummy by itself...especially since the town is GOING to lynch either ILJ or GG today it would appear.
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For the record, I'm not voting for, nor pushing for a lynch against Sandroba at this point. I'm waggling my finger at him, for sure...but I'm in NO way trying to get anyone to vote for him. As I've stated, I'm more interested in lynching someone who's proven to do nothing for town today. Tomorrow we'll have more information...ideally.
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I've felt Hiro to be scummy for at least 20 hours. If he flips green, I'll be both shocked and amazed.
@aidnai
I didn't TRY to make Sandroba look scummy, he did so all by himself pushing Hiro based on NOTHING. His campaign was based on a SINGLE POSSIBLE scum-slip and nothing else. If you people call that content, your leniency is Legendary.
At any rate, I don't think he's scummy because he wants to vote Hiro. I think he's scummy because he's better than he's posting. Maybe he just knows how to get what he wants, but to me it looks pro-town in all the WRONG ways, if you know what I mean. And I think you doooooooooo.
##Unvote: grassgiraffe ##Vote: hiro protagonist
For repeatedly attempting to derail constructive town conversation, debunk scumhunting and intentionally promote an anti-town environment. NOT because of a scum-slip.
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Not me...I'm so active, I might get fired -.-
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Can we all get a collective group-hug while the game is paused? I feel like it's only gonna get more and more dirty as the days go on, and I wanna get down on some bro-love in a strictly hetero way.
*group hug*
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On June 18 2011 05:36 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 05:21 sandroba wrote: Alright people here comes my lists:
VIGs: -Giraffe -LandenC
Both extremelly inactive and based on voting thread alone Giraffe has a high chance of being mafia. His flip is also very informative regarding Hiro's aligment and revealing some info on the players that voted for him. LandenC is likely mafia if giraffe is not (he voted for him for the exact same behaviour he was presenting) so pick your target wisely. If RoL shows up and actually confirms kenpachi being mafia he's also an obvious target. Also his huge post attacking RoL is completely out of character from the townie kenpachi I know.
Medics: -RoL -Aidnai -Wiggles -Varpulis -BC
That's actually going to be hard to argue, but this is my gut feeling. I actually also don't see the point of arguing hard why I feel those players are town and helpful when no one of them are actually in danger.
Do not protect: -Hiro -GGQ -LandenC -Grassgiraffe -Youngminii -kenpachi -Mig
mostly useless lurkers and suspicious people. GGQ is there for (hopefully) obvious reasons and youngminii is there not only because he spearheaded jonn's lynch, but also because his voting paterns are suspicious as hell. Mig is not being helpfull the way he normally is when town.
DTs:
-Hiro -GGQ -Young
This should be fairly obvious aswell. well fuck. im being ignored. okay.
Posting like a 3 year old will do that. If you think people should listen to you, make ALL of your posts actually informative like your case against RoL. It was a bit long and could use a few spoiler tags in there for cleanliness...but aside from that, you had some good thoughts and clear stances. But when 90% of your posts are admittedly INTENTIONALLY cryptic, peoples' first response is 'Oh, Kenpachi posted...NEXT'
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Also, for the record, I DO NOT agree that RoL is scum, based on his posts. Cavalier? No question. Cocky? Absolutely. Scum? Probably not...at least, not based on his posts. LACK of posts though? Hmmmmmmmmm...
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On June 18 2011 05:21 sandroba wrote: Alright people here comes my lists:
VIGs: -Giraffe -LandenC
Both extremelly inactive and based on voting thread alone Giraffe has a high chance of being mafia. His flip is also very informative regarding Hiro's aligment and revealing some info on the players that voted for him. LandenC is likely mafia if giraffe is not (he voted for him for the exact same behaviour he was presenting) so pick your target wisely. If RoL shows up and actually confirms kenpachi being mafia he's also an obvious target. Also his huge post attacking RoL is completely out of character from the townie kenpachi I know.
Medics: -RoL -Aidnai -Wiggles -Varpulis -BC
That's actually going to be hard to argue, but this is my gut feeling. I actually also don't see the point of arguing hard why I feel those players are town and helpful when no one of them are actually in danger.
Do not protect: -Hiro -GGQ -LandenC -Grassgiraffe -Youngminii -kenpachi -Mig
mostly useless lurkers and suspicious people. GGQ is there for (hopefully) obvious reasons and youngminii is there not only because he spearheaded jonn's lynch, but also because his voting paterns are suspicious as hell. Mig is not being helpfull the way he normally is when town.
DTs:
-Hiro -GGQ -Young
This should be fairly obvious aswell.
A agree with at the very least your vigs list. Not only are those two suspicious based on the voting patters, but inactive as hell too. I endorse any plan that involves Vigs going after inactives, as that means we don't have to waste DT checks or lynches on them. Obviously, if they're HIGHLY inactive, letting them suck on a modkill is the best way to handle them.
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On June 18 2011 08:00 Shraft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 07:24 sandroba wrote: Man, can people actually start contributing to this? You are making it pretty easy for mafia by not sharing your opinions on anything. Please comment on the lists, add your thoughts etc ffs. I actually believe that it's very easy for scum to blend in by commenting on this list. All of this is really basic stuff really.
Speaking as a noob, NONE of this stuff is basic, brah. I notice that you didn't give YOUR opinion on it, aside from saying it's basic.
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On June 18 2011 08:10 Shraft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 08:07 sandroba wrote: LOL are you for real man? giving your OPINION on people that should be vig/dt/medic targets is basic and easy for mafia to do? Are you insane? Yes, because it's very easy to just provide a few names and comment on the list. "I think yadddayaddayadda blablabla" and it looks like they have contributed. Instead of this, I urge blue roles to read posts like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232671 (I believe this was linked previously) and take use of that knowledge when they chose their night actions.
The point isn't to see who doesn't contribute, it's to get information. See who thinks who should be checked and why...so that when someone dies or we get information back from blues, we have that much more information to check it against.
People put a LOT of emphasis on whether or not someone is "contributing" and I think it's going to lead to a LOT of town deaths in the games to come, with as many noobs as are joining games these days. I'd like to say that, for my part, it's hard to "contribute" when ANYTHING someone says is typically greeted with "empty contribution is empty... X is scum"
I'm sure you'll see this post as an empty contribution...but the point of it is to ENCOURAGE people to comment on sands list, as I think it's going to be important come morning.
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Night ends in what, just over 2 hours? I'm disappointed in the level of activity tonight.
Thanks Sand for trying to get a discussion going, you get +Town from me for what it's worth.
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On June 18 2011 08:44 Shraft wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 18 2011 05:21 sandroba wrote: Alright people here comes my lists:
VIGs: -Giraffe -LandenC
Both extremelly inactive and based on voting thread alone Giraffe has a high chance of being mafia. His flip is also very informative regarding Hiro's aligment and revealing some info on the players that voted for him. LandenC is likely mafia if giraffe is not (he voted for him for the exact same behaviour he was presenting) so pick your target wisely. If RoL shows up and actually confirms kenpachi being mafia he's also an obvious target. Also his huge post attacking RoL is completely out of character from the townie kenpachi I know.
Medics: -RoL -Aidnai -Wiggles -Varpulis -BC
That's actually going to be hard to argue, but this is my gut feeling. I actually also don't see the point of arguing hard why I feel those players are town and helpful when no one of them are actually in danger.
Do not protect: -Hiro -GGQ -LandenC -Grassgiraffe -Youngminii -kenpachi -Mig
mostly useless lurkers and suspicious people. GGQ is there for (hopefully) obvious reasons and youngminii is there not only because he spearheaded jonn's lynch, but also because his voting paterns are suspicious as hell. Mig is not being helpfull the way he normally is when town.
DTs:
-Hiro -GGQ -Young
This should be fairly obvious aswell. VigsIs it really worth killing off inactives with vigs? I believe vigs are too useful to waste on this. As far as I know, we got zero read on them both, so they might very well be inactive townies or blues. I don't really like the mindset that "If they are not helping the town we might as well kill them off." DTsI agree with the list made. Those people are all kind of fishy. MedicsI think medics should simply protect the forum vets (basically the people on the zodiac list) since they will be very helpful with analysing everything later on. I don't know if RoL is worth protecting though, he seems like he doesn't take this game seriously at all. He just posts a few troll posts and says that he'd rather watch 24. I don't like his attitude a single bit.
Your point on vigs: I disagree. While I agree that LYNCHING inactives is typically a bad idea, Vigging them is MUCH better. You have to get people to VOTE to lynch inactives...which takes A) time away from scumhunting, and B) space away in the thread which could be used for scumhunting. The less A and B we have, the better an environment for scum. And the idea isn't just to get RID of people deemed 'not worth keeping around'...the idea is to reduce the places scum can hide, and inactives is a GREAT place for scum to hide early.
I agree with your points on DTs and Medics.
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