EPTPosting like a 3 year old will do that. If you think people should listen to you, make ALL of your posts actually informative like your case against RoL. It was a bit long and could use a few spoiler tags in there for cleanliness...but aside from that, you had some good thoughts and clear stances. But when 90% of your posts are admittedly INTENTIONALLY cryptic, peoples' first response is 'Oh, Kenpachi posted...NEXT'
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Posting like a 3 year old will do that. If you think people should listen to you, make ALL of your posts actually informative like your case against RoL. It was a bit long and could use a few spoiler tags in there for cleanliness...but aside from that, you had some good thoughts and clear stances. But when 90% of your posts are admittedly INTENTIONALLY cryptic, peoples' first response is 'Oh, Kenpachi posted...NEXT' | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:32 sandroba wrote: okay so who would you protect instead? If I were a medic? aidnai, youngminii, maybe someone else. Blues should use their own discretion though. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:35 GGQ wrote: I DID stand by my opinion. My opinion all day was that Impervious should be lynched, and I stood by it. I'm not going to switch to a bad lynch just because everyone else is ignoring a good one. You asked me a question and I answered it, but that doesn't mean I want to kill giraffe. He's just a lurker so out of those three I would kill giraffe. But I'm not satisfied with lynching lurkers, tbh, I think it's a bad way to play. And I didn't vote for him to 'save' ILJ because frankly I wasn't positive that he was town. I thought he might have been mafia, I just didn't think the case on him was good enough to warrant a lynch. By the way, I think it's always a bad idea to ignore a good lynch just because the guy looks like he's going to get modkilled. Outside of newbie games, mafia is always going to 'miraculously' appear at the last minute to vote. Lo and behold, Impervious voted. Okay, but it's safe to assume you weren't positive giraffe was town either. So out of the 2 you would rather let giraffe live instead of jonn. What about hiro, did you think he was more likely to be town than jonn aswell? What you did was cast an irrelevant vote. You could have tryed to sway the lynch to any of the top vote getter you thought had a higher chance of being mafia, yet you did not. You said yourseld you would preffer to kill giraffe out of the 3 yet you did not act on it. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On June 18 2011 06:57 sandroba wrote: Okay, but it's safe to assume you weren't positive giraffe was town either. So out of the 2 you would rather let giraffe live instead of jonn. What about hiro, did you think he was more likely to be town than jonn aswell? What you did was cast an irrelevant vote. You could have tryed to sway the lynch to any of the top vote getter you thought had a higher chance of being mafia, yet you did not. You said yourseld you would preffer to kill giraffe out of the 3 yet you did not act on it. You're really stretching to make me look scummy. I've already explained my vote and why I didn't push for any of the top three prospects. To answer the bold part, yes I would rather have people who find X player scummy to analyse and get X lynched (even if I'm not convinced X is mafia) so we get accusations and defenses etc to scumhunt with, than to just lynch Y player because he's inactive. Inactive lynches are bad. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On June 18 2011 05:21 sandroba wrote: Alright people here comes my lists: VIGs: -Giraffe -LandenC Both extremelly inactive and based on voting thread alone Giraffe has a high chance of being mafia. His flip is also very informative regarding Hiro's aligment and revealing some info on the players that voted for him. LandenC is likely mafia if giraffe is not (he voted for him for the exact same behaviour he was presenting) so pick your target wisely. If RoL shows up and actually confirms kenpachi being mafia he's also an obvious target. Also his huge post attacking RoL is completely out of character from the townie kenpachi I know. Medics: -RoL -Aidnai -Wiggles -Varpulis -BC That's actually going to be hard to argue, but this is my gut feeling. I actually also don't see the point of arguing hard why I feel those players are town and helpful when no one of them are actually in danger. Do not protect: -Hiro -GGQ -LandenC -Grassgiraffe -Youngminii -kenpachi -Mig mostly useless lurkers and suspicious people. GGQ is there for (hopefully) obvious reasons and youngminii is there not only because he spearheaded jonn's lynch, but also because his voting paterns are suspicious as hell. Mig is not being helpfull the way he normally is when town. DTs: -Hiro -GGQ -Young This should be fairly obvious aswell. A agree with at the very least your vigs list. Not only are those two suspicious based on the voting patters, but inactive as hell too. I endorse any plan that involves Vigs going after inactives, as that means we don't have to waste DT checks or lynches on them. Obviously, if they're HIGHLY inactive, letting them suck on a modkill is the best way to handle them. | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
On June 18 2011 07:24 sandroba wrote: Man, can people actually start contributing to this? You are making it pretty easy for mafia by not sharing your opinions on anything. Please comment on the lists, add your thoughts etc ffs. I actually believe that it's very easy for scum to blend in by commenting on this list. All of this is really basic stuff really. | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
On June 18 2011 08:07 sandroba wrote: LOL are you for real man? giving your OPINION on people that should be vig/dt/medic targets is basic and easy for mafia to do? Are you insane? Yes, because it's very easy to just provide a few names and comment on the list. "I think yadddayaddayadda blablabla" and it looks like they have contributed. Instead of this, I urge blue roles to read posts like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232671 (I believe this was linked previously) and take use of that knowledge when they chose their night actions. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On June 18 2011 08:00 Shraft wrote: I actually believe that it's very easy for scum to blend in by commenting on this list. All of this is really basic stuff really. Speaking as a noob, NONE of this stuff is basic, brah. I notice that you didn't give YOUR opinion on it, aside from saying it's basic. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On June 17 2011 18:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Just some FYI, every day when I wake up and F5 this thread I am given a choice. I can A. Do some analysis and make sure you guys don't fuck up too bad, or B. Watch a marathon of 24. So far 24 has won the last 2 days. Maybe, just maybe if a vigi shoots Kenpachi tonight, 24 will lose the mental coin toss tomorrow. Just some advice. 1 for 1? kk VIG I request a shot on me. RoL is forced to do analysis If he doesnt, hes mafia and we got the GF. Honestly, if you think about it, a dead Kenpachi is worth some analysis or proof that RoL is part of Mafia | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
On June 18 2011 08:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Speaking as a noob, NONE of this stuff is basic, brah. I notice that you didn't give YOUR opinion on it, aside from saying it's basic. I am speaking as a noob as well, yet I still think that choosing your night actions isn't that difficult when you've got tons of post by forums vets to help you. If you so desperately want me to comment on it, then sure, I can do it, but I still don't think that 3 pages of people making lists are very useful. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On June 18 2011 08:10 Shraft wrote: Yes, because it's very easy to just provide a few names and comment on the list. "I think yadddayaddayadda blablabla" and it looks like they have contributed. Instead of this, I urge blue roles to read posts like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232671 (I believe this was linked previously) and take use of that knowledge when they chose their night actions. The point isn't to see who doesn't contribute, it's to get information. See who thinks who should be checked and why...so that when someone dies or we get information back from blues, we have that much more information to check it against. People put a LOT of emphasis on whether or not someone is "contributing" and I think it's going to lead to a LOT of town deaths in the games to come, with as many noobs as are joining games these days. I'd like to say that, for my part, it's hard to "contribute" when ANYTHING someone says is typically greeted with "empty contribution is empty... X is scum" I'm sure you'll see this post as an empty contribution...but the point of it is to ENCOURAGE people to comment on sands list, as I think it's going to be important come morning. | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
On June 18 2011 08:23 sandroba wrote: Let me state this. From now on everyone is only allowed to shut down discussion if you present a better discussion to be had. Otherwise just give your goddamned opinion. Some discussion is clearly better than no discussion at all. I kind of see your point now. The thread is highly inactive so if commenting on this will make people start talking then I guess it can be useful after all. I will post my thoughts on it shortly. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Thanks Sand for trying to get a discussion going, you get +Town from me for what it's worth. | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
On June 18 2011 05:21 sandroba wrote: Alright people here comes my lists: VIGs: -Giraffe -LandenC Both extremelly inactive and based on voting thread alone Giraffe has a high chance of being mafia. His flip is also very informative regarding Hiro's aligment and revealing some info on the players that voted for him. LandenC is likely mafia if giraffe is not (he voted for him for the exact same behaviour he was presenting) so pick your target wisely. If RoL shows up and actually confirms kenpachi being mafia he's also an obvious target. Also his huge post attacking RoL is completely out of character from the townie kenpachi I know. Medics: -RoL -Aidnai -Wiggles -Varpulis -BC That's actually going to be hard to argue, but this is my gut feeling. I actually also don't see the point of arguing hard why I feel those players are town and helpful when no one of them are actually in danger. Do not protect: -Hiro -GGQ -LandenC -Grassgiraffe -Youngminii -kenpachi -Mig mostly useless lurkers and suspicious people. GGQ is there for (hopefully) obvious reasons and youngminii is there not only because he spearheaded jonn's lynch, but also because his voting paterns are suspicious as hell. Mig is not being helpfull the way he normally is when town. DTs: -Hiro -GGQ -Young This should be fairly obvious aswell. Vigs Is it really worth killing off inactives with vigs? I believe vigs are too useful to waste on this. As far as I know, we got zero read on them both, so they might very well be inactive townies or blues. I don't really like the mindset that "If they are not helping the town we might as well kill them off." DTs I agree with the list made. Those people are all kind of fishy. Medics I think medics should simply protect the forum vets (basically the people on the zodiac list) since they will be very helpful with analysing everything later on. I don't know if RoL is worth protecting though, he seems like he doesn't take this game seriously at all. He just posts a few troll posts and says that he'd rather watch 24. I don't like his attitude a single bit. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
On June 17 2011 01:26 DeMorcerf wrote: ... @mataza, I see that you posted while I am writing this; aidnai already said the exact same thing about me. I am very new, and in my night post I asked a couple questions and rhetorical questions; (I'll try to avoid the '?' key in the future; my earlier day post had none.) Dude :D I was pretty amused by mataza saying the same thing as me too. So... you're obviously around and reading the thread right? Tell me who is scum. | ||
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