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On June 17 2011 13:34 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 13:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Zodiac list time.
Rebirthoflegend
BloodyC0bbler
Node
Mr.Wiggles
Kitaman
Opz
Youngminii
Scamp
Everyone should be watching players very closely on this list. We as a group will draw insane scrutiny from town and as such dt checks should be used on anyone not us. The group of us should be forced to prove our worth to town. It also provides us with a list that if there are any reds in shooting into becomes dangerous as it lowers the possible hiding spots for them. This should effectively keep veteran townies alive and kicking longer while letting medics work elsewhere.
Dts should be firing into people who are likely to be inactive, or have posted something insanely suspicious. Medics should protect anyone who is not listed above.
Note: This is for night 0 and potentially night 1 only. Past that time frame enough information should be garnered in thread for blues to act properly and the vets to properly distinguish sides.
Just making sure all blues see this tonight 
Ignore BC's post, blues. Ignore it well.
On June 17 2011 20:35 Mataza wrote:
RoL, that´s pretty fucking weak sauce.
"I could post a lot and help town, I just don´t want to. Maybe I will start to post more if you kill Kenpachi"
Are you shitting us? Why the F' sign up to a game and then go ahead with a plan that gives you the chance of being Superman in PM land and then say "The game is boring I´m watching TV instead".
Apart from any alignment, what kind of attitude is that?
RoL's playing in a game with me. As long as he hasn't realized I've fucked two of his games up, by killing him, or becoming him, and I'm not being tunneled by him, I'm happy.....Everyone talks about RoL, but on a cereal note, what all hath the bloodycobbler done?
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FudgeMunkey, why did you feel it was necessary to explain the mechanics of KP when nobody asked about them?
Why did you vote for sinani without posting in the thread?
Why was your only comment about the lynch targets just agreeing with Youngminii about ilovejonn being scummy?
I'd like an explanation, because right now scum bells are ringing in my head.
ROL, what the hell are you doing? Holding the town hostage by promising to post more if somebody vigi's Kenpachi?
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These abstain votes are scummy as hell in these circumstances as there was at least a viable lurker lynch present. If you were around near the deadline, had read all the cases, didn't think any of them were good enough, you should have voted for the 1 post lurker rather than abstained. Both GGQ and Scamp were guilty of this. Scamp wasn't quite around for the deadline so him abstaining might make slightly more sense, but the post I quoted on the previous page was still strange.
Let's look at GGQ:
On June 17 2011 10:47 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 07:54 youngminii wrote:On June 17 2011 07:47 GGQ wrote:
Lynching an inactive is a crapshoot, lynch an active lurker who is skating by with the barest skeleton of contribution. Lynch Impervious. You literally just said "Doing X is a crapshoot, we should do Y. Do Z." Anyway, man this thread has become a crapfest in the past few hours. Perfect conditions for mafia to be honest. No I didnt? Impervious is lurking, contributing almost nothing, just making empty "I'm here" posts. I already looked at his posts earlier in the thread, which also answers Mataza's accusation of me bringing up Impervious way too late. No, I brought him up hours ago but no one responded to my post. I disagree with the hiro lynch, btw. I've already made a post looking at both hiro and Impervious, I didn't find hiro suspicious at all, though that was before the 'scumslip' about voting for someone that he thought was town. I'd disagree with the logic of that post, but I'd disagree that it was scummy. He just doesn't feel like a scum to me like Impervious does. Now, obviously Impervious isn't going to get lynched, but I dont like the ILJ lynch either, so I'm keeping my vote on him in protest.
On June 17 2011 10:59 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 10:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
GGQ, Imp looks like a modkill. Between GG, Hiro, and ILJ, who do you think should be lynched? Changing your vote? Imp voted now, but if I had to instantly kill one of those three, probably GG.
And then he kept his vote on Impervious? Once again, I do think impervious would have been a decent lynch, but since that wasn't obviously going to happen, what good does abstaining do?
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I don't think Impervious would have been a good lynch, simply due to the fact that he was in line to be modkilled until 20 minutes before the lynch.
However, that makes it look even odder for GGQ. What he essentially did today, is throw away his vote, instead of voting for GG who would have been his choice out of the three, he kept it on Imp, who was either getting modkilled, or in any case, wasn't going to be lynched. So, his actions don't match up with what he was saying. Why not stand by your opinion, GGQ? FOS
On another note, the same thing looks odd for Hiro changing his vote to pull the hammer on ILJ so close to the deadline. At the time, it was six votes ILJ, and six votes GG, with ILJ to be lynched, and Hiro only had 5 votes. To have been killed, he would have needed two people to hop onto his wagon, so his nervousness and voting ILJ simply to "save" himself, looks very selfish, if not scummy. He wasn't in any danger, but still ensured ILJ's lynch.
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No, Wiggles, It would have only took one person to switch there vote from ILJ to insure my death. I did not want to be the victim of a last minute vote switch. Hell, youngminii all ready said that he wanted to change his vote me...
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On June 18 2011 04:45 hiro protagonist wrote:
No, Wiggles, It would have only took one person to switch there vote from ILJ to insure my death. I did not want to be the victim of a last minute vote switch. Hell, youngminii all ready said that he wanted to change his vote me...
In that case it would have been tied, 6-6, and GG would have been lynched. There wasn't a good reason to change your vote, except to ensure your own survival, which wasn't even in that much danger. So, it has to be put down to nervousness. But then, why are you so nervous?
Why was your vote on GG in the first place, and why did you switch to ILJ? Did you think ILJ was scummy? Then why didn't you vote him initially? If you were town, you would want to lynch scum, not another town so that you can live, so why the switch? What made you want to make sure that ILJ died as compared to yourself, or GG?
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Actually yes, as town you should always vote to lynch someone else to save yourself unless the other guy is much mod confirmed green or almost certainly blue. His vote may still be scummy, but not because he wanted to save himself.
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On June 17 2011 18:26 syllogism wrote:
You like a case against them, but don't think they are scum ???
Yeah, meaning I think the case made sense in that it's not just total BS. It didn't make me think ILJ was scum, though.
Also you should not always vote to save yourself if you're town based on the circumstances. Generally it's probably a good idea but the goal of town is to find scum, and not to stay alive.
Just so everyone knows I will be absent for the better half of day 2. I will be back several hours before the deadline but I don't want people thinking I disappeared from the game for no reason.
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On June 18 2011 05:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 04:45 hiro protagonist wrote:
No, Wiggles, It would have only took one person to switch there vote from ILJ to insure my death. I did not want to be the victim of a last minute vote switch. Hell, youngminii all ready said that he wanted to change his vote me... In that case it would have been tied, 6-6, and GG would have been lynched. There wasn't a good reason to change your vote, except to ensure your own survival, which wasn't even in that much danger. So, it has to be put down to nervousness. But then, why are you so nervous? Why was your vote on GG in the first place, and why did you switch to ILJ? Did you think ILJ was scummy? Then why didn't you vote him initially? If you were town, you would want to lynch scum, not another town so that you can live, so why the switch? What made you want to make sure that ILJ died as compared to yourself, or GG?
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I cant believe i did not realize that. FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Well, my vote switch didn't actually change the out come of the lynch, It only made me look scummy lol. so that sucks.
Let me be clear, I wanted GG to die, not ILJ. I still want GG to die...
I got to learn not to say every little thing in my head, because apparently when you say more than one thing at a time people see it as a scum slip -__-
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Alright people here comes my lists:
VIGs:
-Giraffe
-LandenC
Both extremelly inactive and based on voting thread alone Giraffe has a high chance of being mafia. His flip is also very informative regarding Hiro's aligment and revealing some info on the players that voted for him. LandenC is likely mafia if giraffe is not (he voted for him for the exact same behaviour he was presenting) so pick your target wisely.
If RoL shows up and actually confirms kenpachi being mafia he's also an obvious target. Also his huge post attacking RoL is completely out of character from the townie kenpachi I know.
Medics:
-RoL
-Aidnai
-Wiggles
-Varpulis
-BC
That's actually going to be hard to argue, but this is my gut feeling. I actually also don't see the point of arguing hard why I feel those players are town and helpful when no one of them are actually in danger.
Do not protect:
-Hiro
-GGQ
-LandenC
-Grassgiraffe
-Youngminii
-kenpachi
-Mig
mostly useless lurkers and suspicious people. GGQ is there for (hopefully) obvious reasons and youngminii is there not only because he spearheaded jonn's lynch, but also because his voting paterns are suspicious as hell. Mig is not being helpfull the way he normally is when town.
DTs:
-Hiro
-GGQ
-Young
This should be fairly obvious aswell.
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Re: voting to save yourself as townie
You are right, you shouldn't vote to save yourself if it's likely you will be on the chopping block on the next day regardless or if your contributions are worthless and the other viable alternative is likely town.
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I'm wondering why you think RoL/BC should be medic'd. Is it just based off their status as vets, or what? Neither have been particularly helpful this game. BC has done a bit, and I'm getting a slight town read, but RoL I have basically no read on, and he hasn't done really anything this game.
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On June 18 2011 05:21 sandroba wrote:
Alright people here comes my lists:
VIGs:
-Giraffe
-LandenC
Both extremelly inactive and based on voting thread alone Giraffe has a high chance of being mafia. His flip is also very informative regarding Hiro's aligment and revealing some info on the players that voted for him. LandenC is likely mafia if giraffe is not (he voted for him for the exact same behaviour he was presenting) so pick your target wisely.
If RoL shows up and actually confirms kenpachi being mafia he's also an obvious target. Also his huge post attacking RoL is completely out of character from the townie kenpachi I know.
Medics:
-RoL
-Aidnai
-Wiggles
-Varpulis
-BC
That's actually going to be hard to argue, but this is my gut feeling. I actually also don't see the point of arguing hard why I feel those players are town and helpful when no one of them are actually in danger.
Do not protect:
-Hiro
-GGQ
-LandenC
-Grassgiraffe
-Youngminii
-kenpachi
-Mig
mostly useless lurkers and suspicious people. GGQ is there for (hopefully) obvious reasons and youngminii is there not only because he spearheaded jonn's lynch, but also because his voting paterns are suspicious as hell. Mig is not being helpfull the way he normally is when town.
DTs:
-Hiro
-GGQ
-Young
This should be fairly obvious aswell.
well fuck. im being ignored. okay.
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Also I forgot to add something. Do Not DT check RoL or BC. If one of them are mafia (which I think neither is) they are most likely GF, so a check on them is kind of a waste.
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@wiggles It's my read on RoL. Do you want me to argue why I think he's town? I don't see that being productive.
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On June 18 2011 05:57 sandroba wrote:
@wiggles It's my read on RoL. Do you want me to argue why I think he's town? I don't see that being productive.
Well, if it's just based off a read, then alright. I'm just asking why you think he's worth protecting. For me, I wouldn't protect him, first because I have no read on him, and secondly, because he isn't contributing. I say, protect active people, and protect analyzers. Those are the people most likely to attract hits, and RoL is neither at this moment.
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okay so who would you protect instead?
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On June 18 2011 03:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I don't think Impervious would have been a good lynch, simply due to the fact that he was in line to be modkilled until 20 minutes before the lynch.
However, that makes it look even odder for GGQ. What he essentially did today, is throw away his vote, instead of voting for GG who would have been his choice out of the three, he kept it on Imp, who was either getting modkilled, or in any case, wasn't going to be lynched. So, his actions don't match up with what he was saying. Why not stand by your opinion, GGQ? FOS
On another note, the same thing looks odd for Hiro changing his vote to pull the hammer on ILJ so close to the deadline. At the time, it was six votes ILJ, and six votes GG, with ILJ to be lynched, and Hiro only had 5 votes. To have been killed, he would have needed two people to hop onto his wagon, so his nervousness and voting ILJ simply to "save" himself, looks very selfish, if not scummy. He wasn't in any danger, but still ensured ILJ's lynch.
I DID stand by my opinion. My opinion all day was that Impervious should be lynched, and I stood by it. I'm not going to switch to a bad lynch just because everyone else is ignoring a good one. You asked me a question and I answered it, but that doesn't mean I want to kill giraffe. He's just a lurker so out of those three I would kill giraffe. But I'm not satisfied with lynching lurkers, tbh, I think it's a bad way to play. And I didn't vote for him to 'save' ILJ because frankly I wasn't positive that he was town. I thought he might have been mafia, I just didn't think the case on him was good enough to warrant a lynch.
By the way, I think it's always a bad idea to ignore a good lynch just because the guy looks like he's going to get modkilled. Outside of newbie games, mafia is always going to 'miraculously' appear at the last minute to vote. Lo and behold, Impervious voted.
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Also, if a dt does check me, use one of your masons on me if you still have two.
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On June 18 2011 06:41 GGQ wrote:
Also, if a dt does check me, use one of your masons on me if you still have two.
Dito for me plz! ^__^
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