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its ok to play two ? | ||
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 gl hf ! | ||
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Day1 always seem to be a bit random - Cant say I have any excellent ideas of finding the scum - but I noted down what I thought while reading up :D @ace @kevdragon @palmar some internal joke about caprio I didnt get? why the lynch ? @Mataza Interesting that you now this game change strategies for entering the game - both of your last beginnings has been quite 'active' :D @sinani I see you name me in your not posted anything yet thread - I posted just before the game started that I was going to sleep. altho, is a list like this commonly made to lead attention away from 'yourself' ? since ofcourse you never would be named in the list | ||
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ok - i have not tried to defend anyone or either tried to mislead anything, i just asked questions to the posts which I read during breakfast. right now im pretty drunk and have to read up a bit about how to clear your suspicion against me - but as i know im not scum i would point out that three people as far as i can count pretty fast changed vote to me - i guess scums can coordinate voteadressing like this? i can promise a higher activity level later today as i will be hungover and watch mlg all day long right now i dont have the name of who was suspicous of me - but i can ensure you im no harm ! funny situation, will be back later today  | ||
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yeah - im more suspicious of the three voting for me - im obviously an easy target for scum to try to start a bandwagon and it might be easier to try to see a pattern between your posts/votes than it is to base your suspicious on just that one post :-p yes i have been a bit inactive - but my questions arent really scummy, they are just questions i noted while reading through the thread - and in this game, im suspicious about everybody - and asking questions are bringing back some answers but as i mentioned earlier, ill be back after some sleep - if you still really feel im scummy - ill try to prove im town, if its really needed - and i can guarantee you that you are on the wrong track | ||
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back after some sleep | ||
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what would benefit the town would probably be to try to separate who are voting based on good arguments, and who are taking "shortcuts" it seems like quite a few players just are cycling their votes to target other people which are either "inactive" "lurking" which are pretty vague things to suspect scum of - atleast thats what i think. i saw some posts about picking the player that seems most scummy - and post your thoughts on him - i feel its kinda hard, but i see if i can post a few thoughts on the ones i feel point out for now. @youngminii are you just trying to push everybody? i swapped your vote from unichan to me without any reason at all - maybe you need a little push yourself, make me think you are not scum - didnt you suggest a plan for the vet to claim his role? isnt that kinda ruining for town play? @Varpulis What im not suspicious about is why you voted for me (lurkyness, ok) - ive cleared that. But what is suspicious is that you and palmar both first pushed mataza - then me, without really discussing it together in the thread as far as i noticed? @sinani sinani is probably the guy im most suspicious about right now - probably because he has posted less content than me, but still "claim to be a bigger part of the game" or something like that - its hard to read scummyness out of his few posts, but it seems like he just tryes to push for someone else than himself. @originalname you actually just have some thoughts about mataza to easy on defending himself - and then after doing some lurking/inactivity of your own you actually change your vote to me and your reason being me beeing inactive while you were actually just as inactive yourself... it doesnt compute! Have to read up a bit more on the rest of you guys! still some hours left | ||
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@palmar Ill always be suspicious about you :o as I've learned Palmar can play many roles - both being hardass with pointy fingers voting to pressure - but also playing strategicly by maybe not pointing the fingers at the people he "actually targets" - if he is town - this is ofcourse a good thing, if hes scum, its scary as hell! | ||
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you should really reveal your true reasons for voting for me - you type "as stated earlier" - but what is it really? just by staying so hardcore on voting for me for asking questions about what other players write makes you a bit scummy too me - I think you are trying to form a bandwagon - but fail. | ||
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Yeah - i know - but your votes still followed the same pattern - its loose, I know! But i know Palmars style of play a bit - and in this game its possible to play on a team without it seeming so in public - have to be suspicious! its still day 1 - these were just my thoughts - you replied, thumbs up! | ||
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Current Post Count: Varpulis 12 youngminii 11 Palmar 9 Sinani206 8 (including this) Hesmyrr 7 Mataza 7 prplhz 6 JeeJee 6 OrginalName 5 Kavdragon 5 unichan 2 stefftastiq 1 Current vote list Varpulis: Mataza stefftastiq youngminii: unichan stefftastiq Palmar: Mataza stefftastiq Hesmyrr: prplhz prplhz: sinani206 JeeJee: youngminii Kavdragon: JeeJee unichan This is stefftastiq's one post: On June 04 2011 21:49 stefftastiq wrote: I'm awake! - imba Daypost! Day1 always seem to be a bit random - Cant say I have any excellent ideas of finding the scum - but I noted down what I thought while reading up :D @ace @kevdragon @palmar some internal joke about caprio I didnt get? why the lynch ? @Mataza Interesting that you now this game change strategies for entering the game - both of your last beginnings has been quite 'active' :D @sinani I see you name me in your not posted anything yet thread - I posted just before the game started that I was going to sleep. altho, is a list like this commonly made to lead attention away from 'yourself' ? since ofcourse you never would be named in the list He only responds to people and does not contribute to the discussion at all. He talks about some joke that obviously does not have to do with the current game, and then asks me and Mataza some silly questions. There had not been too much wrong with Mataza's play at this point in time, so I don't see why he begins metagaming with his first post. His question toward me was particularly pointless, because I specifically stated that it was a list of players who had not posted since the Day 1 post. I obviously could not name myself in the list because by posting the list I myself would be posting. Silly filler questions to help his active lurking regimen. ##Vote stefftastiq @Palmar - i honestly didnt see that vote myself, but sinani posted his votingcount... which included you so I thought it was legit, it obviously wasnt (maybe even that was done to make people vote in his direction...." @sinani why the bad count? | ||
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this because your posts obviously are accusations without any substance, which makes you very scummy in my eyes. | ||
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it has to be bold. | ||
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 this is scary - ive got the two "most scummy" guys voting for me - seein as there could be more scum they could probably coordinate a lynch for me if two more move their votes to me, which would be catastrophic! :p but if they do - atleast they reveal themself as scum | ||
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Good read. @Sinani Yaah, OMGUS vote - well - you arent giving me something to work with - I am actually afraid that you are a townie being lynched for overacting and pointing to much fingers - but I still find you way to scummy to vote for someone else right now? just your behaviour to try to pin votes on me was a scummy kind of way to do it - its ok to say inactivity, but when that argument isnt valid anymore - you should really try to find something else that atleast might put me in a scummy light? or maybe change opinion and try to work out whats best for town and find someone who actually is scum. but you wont.... also what you bring to the thread is like its pointed out in originalnames post, pretty thin - and now that you are "in the chair" - it doesnt really look like you try to step it up to do something. theres 4 hours untill the voting ends - and you say its like "OMGUS" vote for me to vote for you - im not just basing my vote on you because you are voting for me, theres the pattern of all your behaviour - and that is kind of my point... | ||
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Whats your opinion about youngmiini? seems like you and him are softly backing eachother up in earlier posts - scummy behaviour? also seems like Varpulis also has made both you and him red - any reason you go for Kavdragon instaed of youngmiini ? | ||
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sorry man, that was kinda what I was afraid of - but you were suspicious of others of not being super-active while you basicly just avoided being inactive yourself by posting a bit obvious stuff! shit happends now about youngminii In any case, I'm going to lean on the fact that I defended sinani from the start to remove any suspicions on me for now. I don't know exactly why you think I'm suspicious and I don't really want to know right now (in favour of other discussion) so try to look at the fact that I defended sinani, sinani flipped blue, and postpone your suspicion on me. this is suspicious, isnt it? - i mean you can really not trust -anybody- until you for sure know someones role you could a) blindly hoped that he would turn green / blue and hope everything turns out ok. b) be scum - and KNOW that he is non-scum - defend him beforehand to hope it clears your suspicion afterwards.. this would probably not be as scummy if you didnt post that post stating that town really should clear the suspicion on you - which you did.. if other town are uncertain of me - do a check on me - i have no problem with that, but i would hope it would be spent more visely on someone more suspicious - i would suggest maybe youngminiii or jeejee or perphaps palmar (he got me pretty bad in minimafia2) :-p | ||
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Good post btw, I think i can agree on your thoughts here - going to be interesting in a few hours or so when the US people start being active again. youngminiii is by far the most suspicous person i can think of right now - hope he stands up a bit more than sinani did - if he is town that is. | ||
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Yeah - i know I should step up my game - but I find it really hard to draw hard conclusions from the stuff which has been posted - the ones who actually post something seems to be kinda townish - and the ones who doesnt are ofc hard to read - but Mataza might be right thats its maybe better to "accuse like i mean it" - and in that way bring more activity on the players which are hardly contributing (and i kinda know that im in that situation myself :-p) more activity in the thread is longed for! | ||
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my guess is that atleast one of them are fairly active i.e. one of the guys posting a lot of derailing posts which confuse people -> palmar or mataza? also i would guess theres one of the other more silent players which just stays in the back trying not to draw to much attention and "blend in" with the inactive townies - thats the one we have to get attention to, jeejee, unichan, kavdragon ? | ||
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Okay. prplhz Palmar Mataza stefftastiq OriginalName You're all on my huge FoS list if Sinani flips non-red. I can't think of any reason why you all have such a strong opinion about lynching him. His actions are very non-scummy. If he had mafia friends I'd assume they'd try to change discussion to something else other than lynching him. Basically makes half the players <.< Also, Varpulis jumping around with his voting pattern, basically accusing everyone. Don't know what to make of that, just noting it. As for my vote, I'm basically defending Sinani now and I agree with Varpulis' plan. Also: Just saying, he was an aybsmal townie in the first place. It's not a huge loss in the end. ##Vote OriginalName @youngminii you obviously copied this votelist from GM's post - but WHY did you remove unichans name from the vote list? he had a vote sinani as well - it it was not on the top of the list nor on the bottom.... so cant really blame it from a bad copy/paste or something. Why werent you suspicious about unichan? | ||
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while reading back I also see that you removed Varpulis name from the list - not suspicious of him either? Varpulis + youngmini + unichan got a little thing going on ? | ||
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About me not having written anything about prplz and dementrio is that Ive felt they have had pretty townish behaviour - Varpulis points out that pprplz started the wagon against sinani, which might be something - altho I was pretty convinced of sinani myself. ill put a pressure vote originalname for now - youngminii still second on my scummylist, what is suspicious is that if scum just "hide" in ON's vote or would they try to find another target if he really is scum? ##Vote: OriginalName | ||
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Actually the names were all the people that were voting Sinani. unichan was also on that list when you wrote it. Varpulis probably decided later | ||
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and even pointing out points so almost i get sucked into it i still want to pressure youngminiii a bit more you did point out a bit to much that you defended sinani... ##Unvote ##Vote youngminiii | ||
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Thats one excellent post sir - some people are just able to write things crystal clear! on the "pressure vote" issue - right now all votes are for one player - and my vote for youngminii which i wanted to do to pressure him, in the fashion you mention - shouldn't town spread out their votes more, try to pressure more players at the same time (or is this a good idea?) - its pretty easy for the scum to hide when only one player is a target at once - they are probably just going with it watching town team up on their own (maybe not in the ON case) also this could probably lead to more content being put into the game - maybe then it would be less of posting just to post, without no real content - cause there probably are limits to the amount of analysis and conclusions to be made out of a fairly restricted amount of posts as far as i see it. @youngminiii i still think you left your defence out - why did you really say "yo if sinani flips green - im green" (short summary of your post) - cause thats obviously superscummy, and if you really were town, theres no real good reason to say it anyways? | ||
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Yeah, my reasons were probably not the best - but atleast I was honest about that in my post - im suspicious about both of them - in the nextpost I also included @youngminii while reading back I also see that you removed Varpulis name from the list - not suspicious of him either? Varpulis + youngmini + unichan got a little thing going on ? Cause this is what I was suspicious about - and now you probably saw that and thought that you will fire back at one that you almost bandwagoned day1 because of my inactivity. Then more people became more suspicious about you - and ON - new scum trio - youngminii, varpulis, ON ? - you also try to break down my bad english - thats ok, Ill explain. + Show Spoiler + About me not having written anything about prplz and dementrio is that Ive felt they have had pretty townish behaviour - Varpulis points out that pprplz started the wagon against sinani, which might be something - altho I was pretty convinced of sinani myself. this is not a defence about something - I pointed out that you said pprplz started the wagon - NOW i ofcourse see that you might have said this to draw attention to prpplz instead of yourself - which makes sense if you are scum. the part about sinani - well - i thought he was scum, he wasnt - he didnt do -anything- to make me think otherwise, which sux (i was asleep when he claimed vet and people started thinking - voting limit is 0400 AM in Norway - im just up way to late because of inside the game tonight) The pressurevote issue was something kavdragon discussed in his post earlier - he explained it well - i wanted to put pressure on more than one player - but it became kinda useless when there were 5 votes on ON and 1 on YM - as he didnt really seem to care - and to be honest my case were really weak, except for him saying in advance that he defended sinani - and by that he he is green. My posts might also be bad - Im working on it right now i think the scum is youngminii Varpulis OriginalName All three of you seem to avoid yourself as a subject - and rather try to push for votes at other players. | ||
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Why should I defend myself unnecessarily against bad arguments when I'm not even up for a lynch? My time is better spent finding scum than self reflecting. That was exactly what I thought when i just read your post about me :[ you might just be semi-red i would -really- like to see some thoughs about the people from unichan and dementrio which has hardly said something through the whole game. hestmyrr had a good pretty townish post if i remember right - and dementio made one later on but unichan - u still hiding? #Unvote #Vote unichan | ||
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looking through the thread there are hardly any posts from unichan whatsoever - which makes him hard to read - he posted early on that he was on a match competition - but he returned (jeejee actually posted that he would not post until after the math comp - might be checked by random, but he also could have wondered where his scum buddy was?) Would really like to know unichans opinion on: Varpulis, youngminii, originalename and jeejee time to stand up unichan | ||
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I'm sorry man but the arguments just don't make sense. If you pressure someone, you really do have to make it real pressure. You listed some reasons against me and then moved on. If I were scum, I could just ignore you and your accusations and be safe because you would just move on to someone else. I never felt pressured by your 'pressure' at any point during this game. I don't think you're scum though. Thats why i kept on asking why you really pre-claimed your "innosence" when saying if sinani is green im green thingy - i tried to pressure - didnt seem like the rest of the town found that as scummy as I did - so i let it go, for now. Your "defences" are just saying that the analysis or the points beeing made against you are bad - which is the easy way of course... cause you seem to get off the hook by just saying it. Also Im not moving on, im just adding more people the the scumbox, i hink both you and ON are scummy - im insecure about varpulis, and unichan hasnt really got anything to say if hes scum or town - cause hes not posting anything. Thats what I'm trying to get him to do. as for the rest, prplz, palmar, kav and dementrio and jeejee - theres absolutely no way to beeing certain that these guys are town - but as for now, it seems like atleast some of them are helping town in a good way, but ofcourse that could be easy to fake if you know townies are a bit confused :p I'll be checking in after work! and @Palmar - welcome to Norway? :-D | ||
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Altho I also hoped unichan atleast would try to do an effort to claim his innosence! My vote remains for him for now, seeing no reason to change it... ON and YM are stil scummy too. Ill read through the last posts a bit more to see if theres anything I can put together to contribute as well, without really recycling JeeJee and Kavs posts.. | ||
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Yeah, I was hoping for more spread votes as well. @unichan what up man - you around? @OriginalName My Defense: Id like to first of all point out some similarities between today and yesterday: -This bandwagon is being formed rediculously easily. -Most people are sheeping of the reasons of one person. half the players are suspicious of you man. -They will if I go through both be silly mislynches. Im going to focus on the first point mainly. In this case the most coherently explained and analysed non-sheeping opinion is from Kavdragon. He took what he thought to be scum and organised and presented it. He honestly succeded in scaring the metaphorical crap out of me. I dont deal with pressure well and came up with a shoddy defense. Therefore I after I basically had the majority of town gunning for me I panicked but Ive come to realize that theres no reason it should have happenes that fast. Sure JeeJee tryed to defend me but lets face the fact that it justs looks like a scumbuddy trying to save me. However if I were scum why put that risk to try to save me? Im have the most heat on me atm if it were me Would have kept my trap shut and bussed. There is one thing that is 100% certain - if you and him were town, he can not know for certain that your not scum. I then chose to throw another lynch candidate out there. I chose to do this to try to give another option to us but I did not explain that at all as you can clearly see. So now I really have no idea what to do, I'm having a hard enough time articulating what im trying to say at the moment, as such if there is anything specific youd like addressed please ask. I have absolutely nothing to hide from town. seems like quite a few players -including- originalname switched his vote for unichan (would scum vote for their own?) - so right now I feel originalname is a safer lynch. ##Unvote ##Vote OriginalName | ||
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Who do you think are the most scummy player(s) - and why? and scum are really the only ones who should worry about what to post - townies doesnt have to lie. | ||
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OriginaName: I actually moved my vote from unichan and back to you just based on that you changed your vote from Palmar to unichan, which I stated earlier. Nice presentation of the bandwagon lists tho. | ||
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Like i said, I have no better reason for voting for originalname that for unichan since they both seem scummy - I have no problem chaning back - unichan is the least active player anyways - and his post seemed a bit like hes been giving up?  ##Unvote ##Vote unichan Altho I probably wouldnt have changed this vote if it werent for Kav and prplhz - so if unichan turns up green that would be pretty shitty... On the other hand - weve heard little from varpulis and jeejee the last hours. | ||
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I'll man up, np - I just want to get the right man - and not be screwed over by beeing played into some mafia scum plan again and left out by the ones not posting anything (which was what happened in SNMMII) if its ON or Unichan - like I said, I honestly dont care - Kav said he was 99% he was noob town - I'll give ON that chance - even tho I think he is scum. | ||
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you changed your vote of the same reason man, chill. i think they both are scum - kav might be too - ive been swapping votes between unichan,ym and on to see what happends all day long - just trying out strategies - hoping to call out the scum. Kav made a few excellent posts - He might have seen the game was full of noobs and flexed his skills to shape the game the way scum wanted it - if unichan or on, whoever gets lynched turn up to be green, kav should probably be looked into a bit more... there is no room for that just now? you mention an excellent point about the timezones since americans are pretty much -always- calling eu people inactive as soon as we are sleeping or whatever, but now both you, me and palmar (Atleast just recently) were here and its 4AM - while the evening people seem to be gone dementrio, varpulis and jeejee all seem to be quite silent. | ||
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 First I wondered if Kav would be able to lead "us all" to vote for ON - and then do a pre-planned decoymanouever by suddensly saying someone else is scum and push votes to him (in this case unichan) - but ofcourse some of the scum had to stay on ON to ensure that a townie actually got lynched. But right now I cant really see how that could have been pulled off - or atleast i hope not. youngminii why are you suddenly protecting dementrio? you and him were both votes which still were left on ON yesterday... thats just my thoughts for now - gonna read through whats been posted since i left for work - I'll be back! | ||
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if there is a vigi i really think he should go for dementrio or unichan altho unichans post-ON-lynch post seemed so honest.. ah, the night post makes me feel guilty as hell. sorry ON. if i didn't vote for him though, it would have been me who'd get lynched, so i really had no other choice =/ Does scum feel guilty? | ||
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there were two kills because i was vigi - took out youngminii - thought he were scum need to do some thinking - scum are obviously going under the radar here. | ||
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as for the vigishot - I went for the one I thought were scum - so bascily I just removed one of the more suspicious leaving us with all the "town players" left - crazy shit! @Kav Can anyone confirm the reason why there were two kills? If you are vig and you shot, PLEASE claim. It will help me clear up a bunch of things, and it doesn't matter if the mafia know who you are if you've already shot. What bunch of thing would this clear? As I see it it would probably give you a sense that there is no cop/detective in this game, since the veteran already is dead and the vigi is another blue role - and its probably not three of them - since its a 12player game - I guess this would be usefull information for scum. | ||
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LOL - I havent really had the best read on people myself, so I wouldnt recomment that :-p Seems like town has been played - rereading a bit now, there has to be some kind of pattern? | ||
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I think my vote is going to Kavdragon as well for the moment - even tho he has seemed to play townish, it might have been a bit too townish? - someone wrote in SNMMII that mafia is very much about what you make people believe.. Been going through the thread and I agree with the previous post - and it can seem that he has 'controlled' the game by being town - since scum dont really have to rely on lynching townies as long as we do that ourself - then they just sit back and kill the most obvious townie at night or a random - which I guess why he wanted the vigi to claim. as for now I see both JeeJee and Prplz go on Kav while Prplz also says JeeJee is scum. Ill put my vote on Kav for now - and I think i need a really good argument to change it, also a lot of the people who were suspicious about Kav in past now are dead - this might make things right ##Vote Kavdragon | ||
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A scum play that make sense would be kav + unichan + dementrio - one who "controls" the play and the two other which kind of lays back to watch and contribute when being told. Havent really got much to back it up right now since it was just a thought passing through - but maybe someone else thought of it too :-p | ||
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As for the balance issues I also feel it would be overpowered with two vets and a vigi for the townside vs nothing as far as we know. But the only game I can compare with is minimafia2 - where there were none! It also seems like its mostly Kav people got opinions on - since we actually need atleast four votes to lynch its crucial that scums not in those four landed on a scum... (obvious) - Hopefully everybody is here. | ||
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People are acting too scummy in this game ! | ||
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was way to easy for the scum to fly under the radar :§ lesson learned. All three scum has gone through the whole game almost without any suspicions against them - what did we do wrong? should we have pushed harder for them to post more? none of these guys has hardly been pointed at from anybody - except from a few times which they somehow cleared :-p How would a proper functioning town figured this out? :p | ||
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@prplz i was -so- close to shooting you instead of youngminii well played | ||
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