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i'm out for the night to my girlfriend's house but i'll be back on tomorrow to analyze the shit out of your posts and scumhunt like a bloodhound | ||
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my thoughts so far: - jesus christ, 7 pages of nothing - freeloader asked an innocuous question that was stupid but not scummy IMO in fact he made it quite clear the reasons he was asking: On June 05 2011 12:44 freeloader625 wrote: Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules: 1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other? 2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed? and then everyone ignored the fact that he asked another innocuous question too. clinging to false evidence ITT? - unfortunately it looks like a slip so i can see him getting lynched today - if he flips town, we'll need to re-evaluate the people who pushed for his lynch - dude who keeps posting haikus, please stop, that's thread derailment and very scummy. i can't even read your posts. i do not think there are any posting restrictions so only post what you HAVE to - that being said, i'm going to vote for you because i don't want to jump on the freeloader bandwagon (nor do i want to try and counterbandwagon onto aprudds for calling him out) - voting in this thread is not scummy, whoever said that. voting in this thread helps us keep track of bandwagons and reasoning behind votes. please vote in this thread when you vote in the voting thread. - there are too many posts in this thread. you probably don't have anything to say at this point. don't post for posting's sake. when you do post, please make long, well-thought-out posts. short posts derail the thread. i think one of the pages had like 10 one-line posts and that's not acceptable. it allows mafia to "blend in" with the town by posting similarly. - posts that have words but don't say anything are scummy - kurumi is naturally an annoying, accusatory spammer, don't read into it too much  (also no offense to kurumi)- from what i've seen of his play in other games, jackal is a strong player. don't let his abrasive personality cloud your mind from his usually very-informative, rational posts. at the same time, please use your own judgment when reading his posts and decide for yourself if you come to the same conclusions. if he is mafia he will use his "upstandingness" to sheep us around. ##vote: iGrok | ||
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On June 06 2011 04:34 Pyo wrote: So how common is it for townies to vote for/ lynch day1 people that they just don't like or find annoying? I mean in the face no real evidence for or against anyone is it worth it to eliminate inactive or annoying players? i have a reason On June 06 2011 04:49 GGQ wrote: You didn't actually mention iGrok in your post, but you voted for him. More explaining please? i most certainly did On June 06 2011 03:44 gtrsrs wrote: - dude who keeps posting haikus, please stop, that's thread derailment and very scummy. i can't even read your posts. i do not think there are any posting restrictions so only post what you HAVE to - that being said, i'm going to vote for you because i don't want to jump on the freeloader bandwagon (nor do i want to try and counterbandwagon onto aprudds for calling him out) ##vote: iGrok | ||
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you're still my prime FoS, iGrok, no matter how long your post is | ||
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you post haiku's in a game where posting anything more than necessary is distracting and derailing you try to find the town's blues so that the mafia can know what they're up against the one thing that the town has as an advantage is that the mafia doesn't know our PRs and here you are spelling the info out for them even if you're not mafia, your two biggest contributions so far are anti-town everyone i encourage you to ##vote: iGrok and watch how he (and others) react as the votes pile up. putting the pressure on someone is a good way to find mafia. watch the people that come to defend him and how they do so and then when he flips red, go after them next | ||
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On June 06 2011 16:20 iGrok wrote: Okay, this is not an analysis. Everyone please note how bad this is. But as a refutation, I posted haikus because I wanted to, and every single one had a purpose. I did not try to find out the town's blues. I tried to guess the setup. This helps town out just as much as it helps scum out, if not more so. If you disagree, I want to know why, in explicit detail. Mafia doesn't know who is what PR, or even how many - they can only guess, same as me. Same point as above. If you count both of those as my only two contributions, I'll be able to simply ignore you as a terrile player. The analysis of Kurumi, and holding town together from fracturing immediately should also be in there. As well as explaining several concepts for the newer players. I went through your post history - when exactly have you played before? I know you're big in the LoL subforum, but all I could find regarding mafia was as a replacement in SNMM3 and a late /in for Newbie Mini Mafia I. Just curious because you're acting like you have some knowledge of how newbies play vs how experienced people play. note, town, how now that i am FoSing iGrok more publicly, he's attempting to discredit me as he starts to panic. even though he LITERALLY just told you to not let kurumi sheep you and use experience as a reason to put him in a position of power, he's now going to attempt to do the exact same thing. classic sheeping attempt here, he points out that i'm not a well-known figure on the mafia sub-forum. good play is good play, you don't have to be an experienced player to pick up on a scumtell. but iGrok is going to call me a bad player and pretend to ignore me. notice how he will now try to shift the attention of the town elsewhere - probably by using a 9000-character post again on an "analysis" of someone else don't fall for his passive-aggressive tricks, town | ||
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On June 06 2011 16:44 gtrsrs wrote: note, town, how now that i am FoSing iGrok more publicly, he's attempting to discredit me as he starts to panic. On June 06 2011 16:55 iGrok wrote: Nice OMGUS, bro. You have a habit of responding only to one thing in a post. You should probably change that, not just for this game but for all of them. On June 06 2011 16:44 gtrsrs wrote: even though he LITERALLY just told you to not let kurumi sheep you and use experience as a reason to put him in a position of power, he's now going to attempt to do the exact same thing. classic sheeping attempt here, he points out that i'm not a well-known figure on the mafia sub-forum. On June 06 2011 16:55 iGrok wrote: is that I said Kurumi is trying to use experience he doesn't have to get into power by associating himself with those who do. On June 06 2011 16:44 gtrsrs wrote: good play is good play, you don't have to be an experienced player to pick up on a scumtell.but iGrok is going to call me a bad player and pretend to ignore me. On June 06 2011 16:55 iGrok wrote: Anyways, the last thing I'm going to say regarding this (unless you keep up the smear campaign [or answer my points]) ... Personally, I think Jackal58, GGQ, or Vain would be great people to look up to and have confidence in - they're all pretty experienced and -good- players. On June 06 2011 16:44 gtrsrs wrote: don't fall for his passive-aggressive tricks, town On June 06 2011 16:55 iGrok wrote: And just FTR, it wasn't 9,000 characters. It was 26,088 characters. Lets see you put that kind of effort into a post, eh? i don't need to say much here, iGrok pretty much said it all for me put some pressure on him town! | ||
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but everyone is bandwagoning on him we need to get some votes on other people. it's a psychological thing. if you see that everyone has voted for freeloader you're going to vote for him too so you don't look fishy. if there are some votes spread around you're more likely to vote for someone you think is actually mafia i initially FoS'd iGrok because of the haiku thing and his horribly pretentious posts. i felt like they were derailing the thread and i didn't have a good read on anyone else after he tried to incriminate kurumi who is being extremely pro-town, i double my suspicions that iGrok is the mafia we want. he's trying to use pretty formatting to make it look like his wild guess is better than anyone else's wild guess - he's intentionally trying to mislead the town. i got a lucky guess and FoS'd the right guy, it's quite clear. don't believe me? help me pressure him and watch him crack fishing for blues is scummy, he's setting a bad example. i don't see how public knowledge of how many blues there (could be) are could ever help the town. he's doing the mafia's job for them, right in front of our eyes. i don't have a personal vendetta by any means. in fact, you'll notice it's he who is trying to minimize me in the eyes of the other townies by pointing out that i'm not "experienced" on TL mafia, and blatantly calling my posts bad. | ||
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i refuse to analyze people just because any of you want me to analyze them. me analyzing pyo doesn't prove anything because i don't have a scum read off of him. a townie should never be afraid to die if he will take a mafia down with him (as long as you aren't a power role, that is). a 1:1 trade helps town a lot more than it helps mafia. that being said, i'm more than willing to take an extra day before we kill iGrok. people who are convinced that one of me, kurumi, and iGrok is mafia, go ahead and lynch me today, then when i flip vanilla townie, go after the scum tomorrow | ||
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my sights are still set on iGrok but i think grush57 or w/e his name is was looking pretty solid before i left for the night last night too | ||
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i never did read this thread again *lol* but i will tomorrow morning. i hope you guys are all positive as i am that iGrok is mafia and you trust me on the rest of my hunches. maybe i'll break it down tomorrow | ||
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i feel like no one ever listens to me. i called iGrok as mafia on day1 and i'm going to turn up right. you know what else i said? On June 06 2011 03:44 gtrsrs wrote: - from what i've seen of his play in other games, jackal is a strong player. don't let his abrasive personality cloud your mind from his usually very-informative, rational posts. at the same time, please use your own judgment when reading his posts and decide for yourself if you come to the same conclusions. if he is mafia he will use his "upstandingness" to sheep us around. On June 07 2011 05:38 Jackal58 wrote: You guys want to vote for scum? Vote this guy - rookie44: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9611408 Has played before so he has an idea how it works. Very subtle in his fishing for blues. Only scum fish for blues. Wants to know what methods and tactics are used to catch scum. Wants us to share them with everybody. Claims it will help derail scum tactics. When it will obviously do the opposite. Has all but disappeared since this post. I'm sure he'll show up momentarily to tell me how full of shit I am. That's where my vote is going. I would recommend you all do the same. On June 07 2011 05:39 Jackal58 wrote: ##VOTE: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 06:28 Kurumi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 06:29 Senj wrote: ##vote: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 06:31 amazingxkcd wrote: ##VOTE: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 08:01 Kairo wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 08:25 Impervious wrote: ##Vote rookie44 On June 07 2011 08:29 Vain wrote: ##VOTE: Rookie44 On June 07 2011 09:06 heist wrote: ##Vote: rookie44 On June 07 2011 09:19 Jimbooo wrote: ##vote: rookie44 + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://hallowedtree.com/furniture/puppets/WoolySheep.jpg) i'm not accusing jackal of being scum, in fact i think he is town. he made a bad call but it wasn't irrational. the fact that we had like 99% of the thread jump on that instantly is what makes me /facepalm anyways, continuing to read | ||
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On June 07 2011 09:30 Jackal58 wrote: I want to encourage all of you to think critically and independently.I have seen to many games where town herp derps themselves into oblivion by following one individual. If you have misgivings and doubts about my analysis on rookie by all means bring it up for discussion. If you believe you have found a better alternative by all means bring it forward. | ||
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iGrok amazingxckd grush57 lafali lafali confirmed via modkill, check one for me ++ possible scum: jimboo probable town: kurumi freeloader appruds sprungjeezy extremely uncertain: impervous pyo (i have moved him from definite town to probable town to possible mafia back to probable town and i still have pages left to read) treadmill (i had a special category for you, "definite town" because i was 10000% certain you were town. but after snoozing through your 2 essays i'm not so sure) iGrok On June 08 2011 20:16 iGrok wrote: I believe that gtrsrs is scum. ![[image loading]](http://i53.tinypic.com/qsutld.gif) suck my nads. pyo and Sprungjeezy have expressed how i feel about you extremely well. i had nothing to go on for my first vote so i voted for the douchiest dude in the topic. i remember the first time i played as a godfather in a forum game, i made HUGE posts reaching into previous games for quotes to show that someone's attitude had changed blah blah blah just to get him lynched, when it was all bullshit. you did the exact same thing on kurumi, and then IMMEDIATELY withdrew to hop on someone else. your every attempt to defend yourself has been calling me bad (which i predicted you would do), trying to get attention from so-called good players to clear yourself, and encouraging other players so you look pro-town. i'm 100% certain you are mafia by now. you left both pyo and i alive to "clear" yourself since we're tunneling you so hard, and also so you could lump us together as potential mafia. it's possible you're bussing either pyo or kurumi but i doubt it. i will stand by my previous statement. anyone that agrees with iGrok, go ahead and vote to lynch me. i'm a non-rolled townie and i'm happy to die to get the godfather lynched. when i die hopefully you'll go after my other targets as well grush57 the only times you've showed up in this game were to (a)bandwagon (b)respond to FoS's on you by accusing someone else (c)QQ you're mafia amazingxckd you're mafia, lol. enough people have analyzed you and i agree with their analysis that i won't bother to repeat it treadmill you seem town but your 2 essays really derailed the topic and didn't really say much. you're kinda wishy-washy and i don't know why you're defending the OBVIOUS mafia iGrok so heartily. i think it's likely that you're defending him because you honestly don't believe he's mafia, and he's jumping onto that and defending you so you look like the 2 shining town beacons. unfortunately when he flips red i don't think that will give us any info on you. you're also a very unlikely mafia hit and i don't think i could convince the town to use a vigi shot on you. if iGrok somehow inexplicably does flip green, you're definite red. Jimboo whatever. i'm not 100% sold on any analysis and i won't commit to a lynch on you. i won't have strong feelings if you flip red OR green. if you're mafia why don't you just admit it and save us some time anyway those are my feelings. if iGrok isn't dead tomorrow maybe i'll be arsed to do a post-by-pretentious-post analysis of his misleadings, but instead, it'd be nice if you guys just looked over MY post telling you exactly what iGrok was going to do and then notice how he did it. i've already got my vote in for iGrok today but in case you want it here too, ##vote: iGrok. i'm not going to read the thread any more today. i will be out and about. yes, i will probably make some posts on the LoL forum this afternoon because those are much easier to make. watch for people using that as a way to say i'm casting suspicion and then ditching the topic so i don't have to answer questions: these people are mafia. i'll be reading this thread when i get a chance but it takes so much effort to get anyone to believe anything you say. it took me an hour to read up and write this post. imagine if i bothered to do a post-by-post. no thanks. good luck town | ||
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On June 09 2011 05:18 Pyo wrote: well look at who initiated the bandwagoning (not the accusation), the following. As best I can tell (correct me if i'm wrong), but i think he was the first among the "experienced players" to actively advocate someone. However, the fact that no one paid any attention to this post by GGQ, but were reasonably quick to back off of freeloader makes me think that it was mafia that were the meat of rookie's lynching. yes, i agree. that would be consistent with my analysis. the likely scum that voted on jackal's BW are impervous, jimboo, and amazingxckd tata children! | ||
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On June 09 2011 05:30 gtrsrs wrote: i'm not going to read the thread any more today. i meant i'm not going to post in this thread any more today inb4someonecallsmealiarandtriestoLAL | ||
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On June 10 2011 15:31 iGrok wrote: Well guys, its been fun. I hope you newbies realized that I was actually giving you good advice throughout the game. I'll have more to say after the game, but for now, So long and thanks for all the fish! HOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMAD + Show Spoiler + HOW MAD? god i feel vindicated. looks like my sleuth-nose didn't need to be blown, i had the scent from day 1. anyways the only person that is *actually* cleared at this point is [green]kurumi. i don't know if that's a good thing because it means we have no reason to lynch him and shut up his spamming now, but it's nice to have a poster to rally behind. that being said, i think this also clears up [green]pyo, myself, and potentially [green]sprungjeezy. it would be INCREDIBLY stupid to bus the godfather, and pyo and myself have been harping him since day 1. sprungjeezy jumped on a bit late but he was passionate and convincing. again, in a close vote like that, the mafia would have NO reason to bus their godfather. now we get onto the next part. i CANNOT believe that amazingxckd flipped blue of all things. i'm not too worried about it because he's a terrible player. in a close vote between 2 people where HIS ASS IS ON THE LINE, he voted for a third party. there are no words for that kind of stupidity. here's another thing. since we've now had this happen twice in 2 days. IF YOU ARE ON THE LYNCHING BLOCK AND YOU ARE A BLUE, CLAIM YOUR ROLE FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. i realize that somewhere in his novels amazingxkcd made a soft-claim on detective saying that he KNEW that kurumi was town. but do you honestly think that's enough? how many people actually read that shit? at best, half the town skimmed it. a much better approach would have been to post "I AM THE TOWN'S DETECTIVE, DO NOT LYNCH ME, I'LL PROVE IT TONIGHT" because that would actually get read. and yes, it means that you *might* get killed by the mafia that night. but if you were going to die via lynch, it's better that we lynch someone else that could be mafia instead i just seriously don't understand what amazingxckd was accomplishing by voting for jackal. mind = blown at his stupidity. so where do we go from here? i think someone pointed out a couple pages ago that in a close vote race, it's incredibly unlikely that *any* mafia voted for iGrok. while it's not solid, and there's some major WIFOM to consider, i think that we should focus mostly on the people who voted for amazingxkcd for our analyses now and can we please keep them under 29034820932038 characters from now on? i don't know why TL.net players have this propensity to try to up each other, but you can say just as much in a 1-page essay as you can in a 10-page essay with the amount of fluff you guys write i'm out to play a couple games in a LoL tourney but i will be back to analyze some of the people who voted for amazingxkcd later. hopefully medics are considering protecting me and seriously, how mad do you guys think iGrok is right now? | ||
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On June 11 2011 10:37 Pyo wrote: No need to be an ass. Also, in defense of xkcd, he technically wasn't losing the lynch vote so I can understand why he didn't claim. I do feel a little bad for iGrok because the accusations against him really were arbitrary (we read his attempts at being manipulative more as him being a douche), which among more experienced players shouldn't have garnered the attention it did among newbies. Unfortunately, he didn't really respond to the pressure very well and ended up tipping off GGQ which is what ultimately swayed most of the town. In other words, I think more of the credit goes to GGQ for bringing forth the real evidence against him, rather than you or I for simply jumping on suspicious behavior. As for your other points of keeping your posts short, organized and WELL FORMATTED, I agree completely. Same deal with your point about blues letting themselves get lynched. no like i said the very first time i played as godfather i did the exact same thing, so i saw right through it i think i may die tonight. just finished my LoL shit, gonna read up on some posts and throw out some FoS's On June 11 2011 12:00 Impervious wrote: EBWOP fucking quote tags. I may have had something to do with that. -_- explain please | ||
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the other main mafia candidate for me is still grush57. i looked through his last ~15 posts in this topic and they were ALL < 3 lines except for 1 which was 3 lines. none of them have anything of value at all, except the one that's 3 lines. in that post he declares that mafia likes to stay quiet so as to divert our attention. this is fallacious. mafia likes to actively lurk so we target the quiet people and they blend in. with ~15 posts that say nothing, a pressure vote on me, and ultimately a vote for amazingxkcd, i'm sticking with my gut that grush is mafia grush or vain hopefully take a bullet tonight, if not, we need to lynch one of them for sure tomorrow. my next biggest candidate is treadmill, followed by abrupps and teamsolid. town list for sure is: pyo gtrsrs trancestorm xedat kurumi jackal | ||
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they could have gone after confirmed town so that we have more lynch targets but instead they go after the guy that has garnered tons of suspicion (jackal) and the guy that i FoS'd and was probably 5th on my possible mafia list (impervious) makes this a lot easier for us IMO | ||
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looking back we have 40 players i doubt there'd be more than 1/5th mafia maximum 8. more likely 7. 3 dead = 4 mafia remaining 4 mafia = 2 KP. 1 KP removed for amazing's death. 2-1 = 1 KP last night it's entirely possible that a vigi shot last night. a vigi hit on jackal would have made sense too. what say you guys? | ||
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i assumed that this was a ?? of ?? mafia remaining kind of game  | ||
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it's going to take moving a MOUNTAIN for me to not think you're red at this point i mean your defense of iGrok was so long and so so wrong like i said earlier i had you painted as a total townie earlier but the fact that you and iGrok kept giving each other handjobs in front of us and you guys entered like "IF WE GO DOWN WE GO DOWN TOGETHER" mode is just going to make it impossible for us to take you seriously now, i hope you realize. even if you ARE town you've just made a series of really bad blunders and it's going to take a miracle for us to not lynch you eventually eventually i want to stress that i think our efforts today are best spent pressuring Vain and grush57. one of these two is definitely mafia, likely both. while i think that Treadmill is also very likely mafia, my gut feeling on him isn't as strong as the other two. in either case, Treadmill posts both frequently and with much content. from this we can derive that if he is mafia he will (a) likely slip up in one of his essays, or (b) start to post less in order to minimize the chance of more huge errors. if either of these happens, we can jump on him instead. but as is now, let's allow him to help the town until he's our last option one more thing tonight: we have the godfather dead, there is no framer or lawyer, and only one miller. this means that DT checks are 95%+ accurate at this point (i.e. 1 in 26 chance that you get the miller, assuming that no DTs check kurumi or themselves at this point) if you're a detective, and you get a guilty on someone, you NEED to let the town know without outing yourself. it is worth it to lynch anyone that flips red even though they've got a 1/6 chance of being the miller at this point. so get smart and find a way to let the town know. on the other hand, if you've got an innocent read on someone (which is 100% accurate), ONLY speak up if we're going to lynch your innocent. also in memory of iGrok i will be posting haikus in all of my posts from now on lol you died iGrok and now i'm posting haikus oh god irony | ||
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On June 11 2011 18:10 supersoft wrote: Vain didn't vote against amazinxdc. iGrok was too valuable as GF for the mafia. They probably all voted against amazinxdc. therefor we have to kill these obvious scums from first. while the bolded part is true, you're insinuating that vain voted against iGrok, which is also not true. he voted to kill Jackal, which means we can't ignore him completely. On June 11 2011 18:10 supersoft wrote: my suggestion is either TheAwesomeAll or aprudds just by their votingbehaviour. I'll go through their posts later, maybe someone could help me out there a little. i think it would be unwise to split our attention amongst several possible candidates and instead focus on the two LIKELY candidates for lynch. something's a bit fishy about this post. noted. | ||
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On June 12 2011 01:09 Pyo wrote: here is a post by post summary of grush57 + Show Spoiler + defends accusation of inactivity admits bandwagoning freeloader defending himself from accusations of lurking by omgCrazy nothing accuses gtsrs of "accusing people" when he only really accused iGrok more pressure on gtrsrs accuses xkcd of being scum defends himself by saying he'll just lurk like everyone else says he'll play nice - was just mad cuz people were accusing him random arbitrary guesses: cherubael, benjef(vigi), teamsolid, blackone warns against bandwagoning a blue defends iGrok, uses "inb4 i'm defending iGrok so I'm scum" says he doesn't think iGrok would be blue chastizes treadmill for doing analysis and still voting for rookie but still says good job on analysis chastizes kurumi for calling xkcd bandwagoners scum, but not iGrok bandwagoners nothing makes speculation about why xkcd went after jackal stuff about why xkcd was so anti jackal I honestly don't know what to think, nothing really stands out as being scummy. What I would like to know is where/who the initial accusations about grush came from. i was the first to FoS grush57. it was just another hunch. he tried to pressure vote me at the same time i was publicly FoSing iGrok. it seemed like a good diversion. later i think kurumi also called him out and he just started QQing and hasn't contributed anything. re-read his posts. where is the substance? it's classic "posting without saying anything" and what do you know, his latest post is yet another prime example: On June 12 2011 01:23 grush57 wrote: It's not like I had to do something yesterday and have a life. Anyways, I'll get to that later. get to what later? he's not going to defend himself, he's going to deflect all day. On June 12 2011 01:16 Kurumi wrote: You're playing against all the points of my plan,which listed every scum move You can do. You're scum,Pyo. You don't express Your thoughts. You just state things. You don't make a statement about player,You leave it with "I don't know" or "I haven't made my mind up yet". no, Pyo is cleared. so are you. don't derail the thread by sniping each other and for fuck sake kurumi, hit preview before you post, and make sure you've said everything you need to say, so you don't need to take up 10 posts on a page with your edits and redactions | ||
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On June 12 2011 02:44 Kurumi wrote: Could someone elaborate why Pyo is cleared? stop derailing the thread Pyo was one of the biggest contributors to the iGrok thread. today we are focusing on Vain and grush57. Pyo and kurumi, i insist that you stop sniping at each other, two of the only confirmed townies. jesus christ. great analysis omgCrazy. i especially noted this quote: On June 07 2011 05:08 grush57 wrote: I'm pretty sure gtsrs is scum. He is keep accusing people with little info and keep saying he will risk his life, even though he would be scrambling to save himself if he was up to be lynched. Therefore, I vote gtsrs. cool. well then if a townie would scramble to save himself if he was up to be lynched, and you are a townie, then you will be scrambling today, yes? | ||
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gg sprungjeezy i will never cease to be amazed at people having 2 days to vote, posting their FoS's in the thread and then not voting for them so i guess we go after Vain and Treadmill now? gonna look over some voting lists real quick and see what i can deduce | ||
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Day 2 vote iGrok Pyo Gtrsrs Kurumi Supersoft CjrNinja omgCRAZY Xedat Kairo TranceStorm Drazerk freeloader625 Amazingxkcd Treadmill Alderan Blackone Aprudds Munk-E Jackal58 Vain teamsolid Jimbooo Heist ----------------------------------------------- ok what i can garner from day 2 voting is that i'm pretty sure that Xedat, Kairo are both cleared. i find it highly unlikely that the mafia would switch FROM amazing TO iGrok. teamsolid's switch is inconclusive. if we're to guess that mafia most likely voted for amazingxkcd so as to prevent iGrok from winning the vote, i think our two remaining reds are Treadmill and aprudds. I'm still suspicious of Vain as well. -------------------------------------------------- Day 3 vote grush57 Xedat teamsolid supersoft heist Kairo blackone Drazerk aprudds Alderan omgCRAZY Munk-E freeloader625 Vain gtrsrs Pyo TranceStorm CjrNinja Treadmill Pyo Kurumi heist Vain ------------------------------------------ my thoughts that treadmill and vain are scum are supported here by the fact that neither of them voted for their scum-buddy. although i suppose if vain is scum, and only vain and grush were the serious candidates for day 3, vain wouldn't have very well voted for himself, and treadmill DID vote for his scum-buddy, so my aforementioned thoughts are nullified. anyways, by now the DT should have gotten a read on treadmill, vain, or aprubbs. shame on you if you wasted a check on me or another cleared. you should come forward with your guilty now, in case you die during the night if you don't have a guilty, get one tonight *lol* i think that i will likely die tonight so i'll try to hunt some more tomorrow before the night ends and see if i can set you guys in the right track before i'm sleeping with the fishes although my advice is basically going to be check/shoot/lynch everyone that didn't vote for iGrok on day 2, and win systematically, like Pyo's advice was | ||
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you have a fucking gun use it jesus christ | ||
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i'll just be sheeping from now on unless i see something really fishy ##vote: Munk-E | ||
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and i disagree pyo, we would have come to the same conclusion if amazingxkcd had just role-claimed instead of letting himself get lynched oh well, gg, town rules, mafia drools. also to supersoft. i don't think this was addressed. but mafia KP is x/2 rounded up. so even if we had gotten lucky and lynched aprubbs instead of Munk-E, Munk-E would still have gotten a kill per night, so there was no reason not to lynch him. just for future reference kurumi i humbly request you to not sign up for any more games that i sign up for but i look forward to playing with pyo and trancestorm and some more of you in the future | ||
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i remember this one time on epicmafia where we had a set-up with Cop Doctor Fool (village idiot) 3 mafia 2 town and the cop died night 1. traditionally the fool claims cop and tries to joint-win with the mafia. so this smartass immediately after the flip was like "i'm the cop" and then "i retract" to everyone else he was just being funny but i saw right through it and pegged him as mafia pretending to be the fool. so i asked the town to start piling votes on him to see how he'd react. of course if he really was the fool he would have hammered his own vote and won the game but he kept screaming at us to take our votes off him because he retracted and blah blah blah he flipped as the roleblocker and we won a nearly impossible-to-win set-up. the whole time in the "dead player chat" (where people who have been killed can chat with each other while they watch the game finish) he was bitching about how bad of a player i was for lynching someone based on a smartass comment, pretty much how iGrok was saying we shouldn't lynch him based on my suspicions. anyways it was really vindicating as he -karma'd my account and left me a bunch of comments about how bad i was and i was just like lol u mad? | ||
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On June 16 2011 08:25 Pyo wrote: well, to be fair, you don't really have to be a dick about it. I mean good job being the first to pick up on iGrok, but rubbing it in like that is just as bad as iGrok being the pompous jack-ass that first tipped you off. nah there's a difference between trying to control the game and getting caught for it then rage-quitting, and being proud of essentially "winning" the game for your team. i deserve to brag a bit. so do you, you articulated what i was feeling about iGrok much better than i did. bigger than being right in this game is convincing other people that you're right, something i've never been super good at. so cheers | ||
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On June 16 2011 19:37 iGrok wrote: Originally, I wasn't going to include gtrsrs in this. I figured, maybe he picked up on something small and thats what his tunnel is about. However, after his personal attacks and general douche-baggery, gtrsrs is permanently banned from all my games as well lmao On June 11 2011 09:44 gtrsrs wrote: how mad do you guys think iGrok is right now? it's funny that you're so butthurt. i'm not a douchebag i just play an aggressive style and it provoked you into rage-quitting. also reading through a couple of your QT posts you play godfather EXACTLY like i did my first time. it's funny all the parallels. you basically said "look newbs, i'm a better player than you so let me play for you." that's literally exactly what i did too, i hosted a google doc and charted out who was going to vote for who and every time someone made a mistake i reamed them for it and when i died my team just gave up because i didn't let them play anyways gg try not to take a loss so hard bruh | ||
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On June 17 2011 03:21 iGrok wrote: 1) you don't "play an aggressive style". I'll give you credit that maybe you read something off of my spat with kurumi. Maybe. The "lol umad?" shit is completely unacceptable here... this isn't a shithole like epicmafia. Learn to be more civil, and eventually, maybe, you'll be unbanned. 2) I didn't ragequit, I stopped posting to let things cool off and get other people posting, to lose some of the focus from me. 3) The reason I "didn't claim anyways" was because I thought I was clear. Claiming vigi would have been EXTREMELY risky, especially since I returned Veteran to DT checks. 4) Scum team would have been fine, but several of our members fucked up the vote deadline and got modkilled the day after I was lynched. 5) GGQ is right about why I'm calling you a d-bag. Its cause you are, not cause I lost. And for emphasis; epicmafia : TL Mafia :: BNet Forums : TL Forums you're so condescending it's disgusting you act like i would make any effort at all to get unbanned from your personal games lmao epicmafia has just as much strategy as forum mafia, albeit a different kind. it's nice because you don't have to read 6 essays of fluff every day, you can just hunt the scum and be done with it. and why do you think the scum team fucked up the voting deadline? because as soon as your stranglehold on their play was released, they weren't sure how to play on their own. maybe if you hadn't tried to control the entire game from your ivory tower your team would have had a chance | ||
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also i feel like i came off as very pro-town in that game. i was scumhunting, i wasn't wishy-washy, i stuck to my guns, i offered to die in order to get my target lynched (which would be a really bad move for mafia or blue, obviously). i think it's weird you had a bad feeling about me | ||
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On June 18 2011 05:54 Treadmill wrote: Eh, you WERE scum hunting pretty well but you weren't explaining yourself at all. Most notably, you jumped on iGrok day one - and your suspicions were right. But since you didn't really explain yourself, and the case wasn't obvious to us noobies, it looked like you were just tunnelling him, and you looked a bit scummy to a bunch of us. What really bothers me is that xkcd pretended to have DT-checked Kurumi when he hadn't. Had xkcd been wrong and Kurumi actually been scum we would've been completely screwed. yeah no doubt i could have explained myself better but my point was i didn't think ANYONE would get a scum vibe from me. in fact every night i assumed i was going to die because i was so pro-town and proactive also wow i didn't realize amazingxkcd hadn't actually DT'd kurumi. major facepalm. i stand by my statements that he's a moron XD | ||
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On June 18 2011 06:41 bumatlarge wrote: Well that logic leads to WIFOM and it has been stated every game. Using that argument should always lead to suspicion. If you're green, it doesn't matter whether you think you'll live or die, it's whether you can assist town in winning the game. If you didn't mention that, I'd say you were probably town MVP. You make me proud! ;_; Oh and I thought the attitude was appropriate. If you are sure you are on scum, you bite his neck like a bulldog and never let go. But the second you start to feel more of the opposite then of what you did before, let go. Being wishy-washy is ok if you dont make a point of it. Stalling and obvious indecision is not. awwwww besties! :3 but my reasoning on my offering myself to the god of the noose was this: i was tunneling iGrok like a crazed mole he was deflecting everything someone at some point was like "well one of them has to be mafia" to which i agreed (very sure that iGrok was mafia not me obviously) i was hoping that if i could get people to pick between him and me, that me flipping green would get him lynched. if they lynched him instead that would clear me of course it's never that easy, thanks to bussing and bad leads, but i think in this game it would have worked and i'm glad you approved of my bulldogging. i feel like when iGrok *stopped* posting haiku's at my request was when i knew i had him by the balls. if *i* then toned down my attitude at others requests, i was just as scummy as him, trying to save my own skin instead of playing for the greater good of the town | ||
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On June 18 2011 08:17 Pyo wrote: Actually, iGrok stopped posting haikus because the other mafia (Munk-E) told him to stop because it was stupid. weird because i told him to and the next post he stopped what an odd coincidence On June 18 2011 09:30 aprudds wrote: Yes, the Haikus were also getting on my nerves. Also gtrsrs you really have alot of pride eh? yeah i suppose but that comes with being the best | ||
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