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Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 28 2011 14:44 GMT
#42
/in
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 00:19 GMT
#141
Enjoy and good luck
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 14:20 GMT
#173
On May 30 2011 14:29 Mataza wrote:
"Your target is the goddamn Batman"

Man, I hope if there is a rolechecker, host has awesome humor and does shit like that.


The poor rolechecker is going to hang himself by day 2 lol...
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 19:33 GMT
#197
I'm ready!
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 20:44 GMT
#275
On May 31 2011 05:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 05:39 stefftastiq wrote:
are there any good reasons why roles should be claimed / say who we designed roles for / who designed for us which exist in this game which doesnt exist in other games? and why would your make yourself target if you are to say to someone you made their role :-p


There honestly isn't a good reason at this point. All it would do is clutter the thread with discussion over things that you can't easily pin a mafia out of.

I said this in pyp3 and I shall say it again here. Knowing someones role doesn't determine if they are town or not. Their alignment does. We hunt for scum with analysis and whatever means people gave to players that flipped town. Past that arguing otherwise is wasteful. Lets catch scum, not ghosts.


*sniff sniff*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 21:02 GMT
#307
On May 31 2011 05:58 Varpulis wrote:
LAL is in effect. If lie, we kill you. Period.


grrrr...
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 21:10 GMT
#323
On May 31 2011 06:06 sandroba wrote:
@BC Isn't this only going to give us a vet/good player list for this game. Do you think mafia will purposefully remove their good players from their list?

Mine for example would be:

# GMarshal
# kitaman27
# bumatlarge
# Amber[LighT]
# BloodyC0bbler
# Meapak_Ziphh

That's pretty much a list of players we think would be good as mafia no?


grrr....
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 21:12 GMT
#331
On May 31 2011 06:11 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 06:10 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On May 31 2011 06:06 sandroba wrote:
@BC Isn't this only going to give us a vet/good player list for this game. Do you think mafia will purposefully remove their good players from their list?

Mine for example would be:

# GMarshal
# kitaman27
# bumatlarge
# Amber[LighT]
# BloodyC0bbler
# Meapak_Ziphh

That's pretty much a list of players we think would be good as mafia no?


grrr....


Dear god, thats quite a post restriction you have going on there Amber. Unless I'm wrong and you are faking.

Are you able to talk normaly?


*whines sadly*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 21:15 GMT
#338
On May 31 2011 06:13 Varpulis wrote:
Amber, do you actually have a post restriction, or are you just being cute?


*whines sadly*


On May 31 2011 06:13 redFF wrote:
Yeah AMber either post normally or someone gave you a role where you can only talk like a dog.


*whines sadly*



On May 31 2011 06:14 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
He's a dog!
.


*wiggles his tail*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 21:22 GMT
#354
On May 31 2011 06:15 hiro protagonist wrote:
Amber is a guard dog!?!?!?!


*wiggles his tail*


On May 31 2011 06:16 redFF wrote:
lol whoever gave amber a role like that. :D



On May 31 2011 06:18 Karshe wrote:
Hahahaha, this game is already cracking me up. Whoever gave him the dog role, assuming he is not trolling, is my hero.



On May 31 2011 06:16 Kurumi wrote:
Ok,looks like Amber is
a)A Detective Dog
b) Trolling

A) is more likely,that means we have some kind of Bullet-bill role.


grrr.....


On May 31 2011 06:15 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 06:13 Node wrote:
On May 31 2011 06:12 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On May 31 2011 06:11 GMarshal wrote:
On May 31 2011 06:10 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On May 31 2011 06:06 sandroba wrote:
@BC Isn't this only going to give us a vet/good player list for this game. Do you think mafia will purposefully remove their good players from their list?

Mine for example would be:

# GMarshal
# kitaman27
# bumatlarge
# Amber[LighT]
# BloodyC0bbler
# Meapak_Ziphh

That's pretty much a list of players we think would be good as mafia no?


grrr....


Dear god, thats quite a post restriction you have going on there Amber. Unless I'm wrong and you are faking.

Are you able to talk normaly?



*whines sadly*


poor little doggy

Ok, lets assume you are telling the truth and not pulling a BM (in penalty mafia he faked a pr for most of a day). Can you post which expressions, exactly, you are limited to?


*sniff sniff...*
*woof*
*grrrr...*
*wiggles his tail*
*whines sadly*
*barks loudly*
*growls*
*lies down*


"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 21:23 GMT
#357
On May 31 2011 06:20 GMarshal wrote:
@Amber

do you a.) growl at lies?
b.) growl at mafia members?
c.) none of the above
Wag your tail if a. Whine if b. bark if c.


*woof*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 21:25 GMT
#363
On May 31 2011 06:24 Varpulis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 06:21 Mig wrote:
Huh I was sure it was a joke but can amber actually not speak? It would be a sick thing to fake if you were mafia. You wouldn't ever have to really contribute.

yeah, but he's getting a dt check tonight, no doubt. We can't leave guy that can't be analyzed unchecked.


*lies down*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 21:26 GMT
#364
On May 31 2011 06:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
@Amber

Your different abilities are just your way of communicating, and display different emotions/reactions, correct?

Like growling to show disagreement, barking to draw attention, wiggling your tail to show you agree, etc.?

Also, you wagged your tail for being a guard dog, so he's on the right track?

*Gives treat*


*wiggles his tail*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 21:32 GMT
#375
On May 31 2011 06:28 hiro protagonist wrote:
@ amber:

does *wiggles his tail* mean yes?

does grrrr... mean no?

wiggle for yes, grrrr... for no on both questions


*wiggles his tail*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 21:32 GMT
#376
On May 31 2011 06:29 redFF wrote:
[image loading]
I may as well claim my role. I am a dog whisperer, i will attempt to communicate with Amber.
bark bark, grrr, ruff, bark, grrr, ruff ruff bark grr bark grr grr bark ruff bark grr grr.


*lies down*


"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 21:33 GMT
#377
On May 31 2011 06:27 Tackster wrote:
Amber your role wouldnt happen to be scooby doo would it? Cos technically scooby could talk


*growls*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 21:56 GMT
#397
On May 31 2011 06:50 hiro protagonist wrote:
ok, I think i will take it upon myself to discover what restrictions amber has. I think everyone else should focus on the zodiac list.

@Amber , can you only answer on question at a time?


*grrr...*


On May 31 2011 06:50 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 06:48 Eternalmisfit wrote:
I am assuming that the zodiac list is something akin to this idea (since I can't find anything else that is close to the zodiac list).

Zodiac list

A confirmation on this would be good so that I can think about who all should be include in it or not.

Oh if i was mafia who would I hit? Bumatlarge and GM have both shown strong play in games i have observed/played in. BC has a reputation as a good player too. As for this game i'm getting town vibes off both bum and BC, not so much off GM(This isn't me calling him scum). If i was going to say now who i wanted protected i would say Bum and BC.


*wiggles his tail*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 22:01 GMT
#402
On May 31 2011 06:57 Rean wrote:
Sigh. This is silly. The dog appears to be some kind of guard dog, so i'm guessing he acts like a watcher/tracker or something like that. Useful later on, a waste of time for now.

As for the LAL plan: no. You lynch people when there is a good reason to do so, not simply because you lied. There could be many reasons that town would be lying, and blindly lynching them for it is not a good idea.

The list is unneccesary. People should be capable of deciding for themself who is worth protecting or inspecting, you don't need someone holding your hand telling you what to do.

Oh, and props for whoever thought up the dog role, that's just hilarious.


*wiggles his tail*
*wiggles his tail*
*wiggles his tail*
*wiggles his tail*
*wiggles his tail*
*wiggles his tail*



On May 31 2011 06:35 sandroba wrote:
Alright, as much as I am intrigued by Amber's dog role, that's not leading us nowhere near finding scum. Maybe the person who gave Amber this role will have some info for us down the line.

I think we should focus on putting up BC's list and giving your opinion about policy lynches and LAL. Make your posts concise because this thread is quickly turning into a spam fest.


*grrr...*
*grrr...*
*grrr...*
*grrr...*
*grrr...*
*grrr...*

*barks loudly*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 22:03 GMT
#407
On May 31 2011 07:03 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, this might be a better question,

@Amber: do you want me to discover what all of your actions mean, or would you rather me focus on other parts of the game not related to you?

wiggle if you want me to focus on you.





*wiggles his tail*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 30 2011 23:51 GMT
#472
On May 31 2011 08:28 Varpulis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 08:12 bumatlarge wrote:
On May 31 2011 08:05 Varpulis wrote:
I'm always a bit lost day 1, bum.

About the Zodiac lists: At this point they just seem to be lists of strong vets, and I don't know you guys well enough to make an informed list. BC has looked pro-town, as have you. Not really sure who else. Sandroba, maybe. he's proven to be a good player, and his posts have been mostly good, barring the claiming plan.

I'd like to know why specifically kita is voting for me. Is it because of my bad posting? I'll try to work on that. Specifically, I'm going to be quiet, because I'm not really sure what to do.

what does NoC stand for?


You're getting accused of fluffy posting. Defend your ideas mostly or accept your fate! I'm not saying you are making bad posts, I'm seeing them as intentionally inflated to make it look like your saying something. Kita didn't explain his vote which he should. If someone votes for you without putting reasons, ignore them.

Alright, let me summarize what I've been saying:
  • Don't start shooting early. I don't want townies to die needlessly because the vigi or vigi type role doesn't like them. Wait for evidence. Simple enough
  • I support LAL. I think that unless you've got a damn good reason to make something up, don't. If somebody claims without a good reason, we check him, and lynch/vigi him if he's lying. I really don't see a problem with this. There will obviously be exceptions, but I think LAL is a good guideline.
  • I like the Zodiac lists, but am not qualified to make them/comment on them because i'm not familiar with most of the players
  • Bum and BC have been pro town, because of their efforts to add order and keep the town on track. Following that logic, I'd add sandroba and now kita to the list. Kita has experience and is attempting to keep the thread clean. Sandroba has shown strong play in the games I've played with him.

The rest of my posts are either about a bad plan that I've abandoned or Amber.


*grrr.....*
*grrr.....*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 31 2011 00:21 GMT
#485
On May 31 2011 08:54 hiro protagonist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 07:19 hiro protagonist wrote:
@Amber

*grrrr...*--->"no"
*wiggles his tail*---> "yes"

Is the above correct?

*sniff sniff...*
*woof*
*barks loudly*
*growls*

does one of these mean you suspect scum?

*whines sadly*
*lies down*

not sure about these... now for the most important question, am I going about this in the right way?


Amber: can you answer these questions for me


*wiggles his tail*

*wiggles his tail*

*wiggles his tail*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 31 2011 00:23 GMT
#487
On May 31 2011 09:11 Varpulis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 09:06 tnkted wrote:
On May 31 2011 08:56 bumatlarge wrote:
On May 31 2011 08:29 tnkted wrote:
This varp wagon is a bad lynch. Look, he came up with a plan... it might be a stupid plan but thats seriously more effort than anyone else has put forward.


Deflecting without giving an alternative. Check!


Lol, ok, fair enough.

I think we need to set up a system of balances in this game. The chances of the mafia being unlucky enough to have given each others roles is very slim. Therefore I propose this:

If somebody claims in the thread, whoever gave that role needs to look at the claim carefully. If it lies or is an entirely different role, announce you gave that person the role in the thread. This way we can catch fakeclaims.

However, this won't be very effective later in the game because the people who gave the roles will be dead, and the possibility of fakeclaiming will be much less likely.

For example, I'm much more inclined to trust redff1's roleclaim if nobody claims today... since everybody will read it and the real person who gave Red's role will undoubtedly counterclaim.

tldr; if your person claims a fake role in thread, say so. otherwise stfu and let them be.

We're not allowed to claim what role we picked & who we picked it for until day 2, the host said. We can check RedFF's role easily though, by asking Amber. Unless they're both mafia, it'll be accurate.

Amber, is RedFF pming you?


*wiggles his tail*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 31 2011 00:26 GMT
#493
On May 31 2011 09:24 Cthsazsa wrote:
redFF, expect your death to come shortly.



*grrr....*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 31 2011 00:27 GMT
#495
On May 31 2011 09:25 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 09:23 kitaman27 wrote:
Red, is Amber allowed to talk normal in pms?

I pm'd him and his reply was *wiggles my tail* so i assume not. I sent him another pm asking for him to confirm my claim in the thread and also to make sure he wasn't joking about his earlier pm. It's looking like he can't talk normal in pms though. -_-


*wiggles my tail*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 31 2011 00:30 GMT
#501
On May 31 2011 09:28 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 09:26 Cthsazsa wrote:
Unless I am mistaken about us not being allowed to roleclaim until Day 2, ?

we aren't allowed to talk about who's role we picked, decon said nothing about roleclaiming. Try harder.
He just pm'd me again with a *grrr* when i asked if he was kidding. So yeah he can't talk normal in pm land either. Amber if your role pm doesn't explicitly say you have to talk like a dog in pms i think you will be fine to talk normally.


*grrr...*

....
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 31 2011 00:32 GMT
#505
On May 31 2011 09:31 chaos13 wrote:
EBWOP: just realized an "or" question won't work well for him.

Does your role state that you must speak like this for the ENTIRE game?


*wiggles my tail*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 31 2011 00:41 GMT
#519
On May 31 2011 09:35 chaos13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 09:32 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On May 31 2011 09:31 chaos13 wrote:
EBWOP: just realized an "or" question won't work well for him.

Does your role state that you must speak like this for the ENTIRE game?


*wiggles my tail*


Then I'm not sure why we should keep a player around who can't analyze or be analyzed. Either you're a town player who has no value to us or a lying scum.


*barks loudly*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 31 2011 00:44 GMT
#521
On May 31 2011 09:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
@Amber[Light]

Do you have an ability that can help town?


@Chaos13

There's no reason to kill off Amber[Light] right now. If he's useless town, shooting or lynching is a waste. If he's scum, then he's already made himself a public figure, and also, is incapable of any misdirection. A simple role or alignment check on him will resolve problems.


*lies down*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 31 2011 05:00 GMT
#622
*lies down*

[forgot to include that in the post :/]
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 31 2011 13:46 GMT
#683
On May 28 2011 04:49 deconduo wrote:

Voting rules:

4. You may not vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.


*lies down*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 31 2011 14:05 GMT
#700
*barks loudly*

+ Show Spoiler +


On May 31 2011 11:09 chaos13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 10:59 Cthsazsa wrote:Can you please elaborate why?


Certainly.

To begin with is this post:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 06:04 redFF wrote:
I don't actually see a point in the game where my role can be useful...


A mason role isn't useful to scum or third party. It is extremely useful to town.

Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 08:40 redFF wrote:
Ok, I'm gonna claim.
I'm an interrogator. What is that? I can vote somebody to be lynched, and I will be allowed to exchange pm's with the person I voted for the rest of the day.
I'm going to vote Amber so I can talk to him and get to the bottom of this whole situation.
I don't see anybody else who i feel like pm'ing today to be perfectly honest.
My role is not that powerful, I am not a powerful player. Me claiming can only be good for town. Scum won't hit me(I think) because my role is far less powerful than some of the other roles currently in play. They also have far better/more experienced people to hit than me. If anyone has a problem with my claim please say so, but i feel like this is the correct decision to make at this stage.


This post has some serious issues with me.
1. Dumb roleclaim. It doesn't help us at all - he could have just used his power and then said "k guys I don't think we need to worry about Amber for these reasons ____ without actually having to claim his role.
2.
Show nested quote +
Scum won't hit me(I think) because my role is far less powerful than some of the other roles currently in play.

How the hell does he know this? The only way is if he is on a mafia team and they are allowed to share their roles with each other. For all he knows vote-mason could be the best role in the entire game.

Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 08:45 redFF wrote:
I figured out a way i could be useful chaos btw.

And then "I know how I can be useful - I'll use my role!"

No, really? Brilliant.



The rest of his posts have not contained anything overly helpful, and I know from playing on UG with him and observing his games that he is a better player than he is being right now, and that as scum he tends to do stupid things with roleclaims.


On May 31 2011 11:31 chaos13 wrote:
I feel that my reasons for being suspicious of them are solid. You'll notice that I have not voted for either of them. Seeing as this is a game with no PM's, I have to do all my thinking in the thread.


On May 31 2011 11:59 chaos13 wrote:
I think that would be a good idea. It will give us some focus.
The five I would suggest for this:
tnkted - has not been acting entirely pro-town. I definitely want some more input here.
Sandroba - I'm still not comfortable with his plan in the beginning.
Mataza - Reacted to very light (joking) suspicion at the beginning and was quickly defended (weakly, although lightly) by GMarshal and Palmar
Karshe - has posted and clearly read the thread, but has not contributed. Lurker.
redFF - reasons already stated

What does everyone think of this?


On May 31 2011 12:02 chaos13 wrote:
Fair enough, let's throw a sixth player on. If nobody has any huge objections to this, I think these players will be a good start.


On May 31 2011 12:11 chaos13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 12:06 redFF wrote:
Why take off Sandroba, his plan was dumb and he hasn't done anything since then...There are a ton of people lurking just like karshe so that is kind of pointless too.


The idea is to take 5 or 6 possible suspects and focus on them so we don't get distracted by the multitude of potential scum. This way we can all coordinate and actually get something done. I looked for lurkers and picked one of them. It happened to be Karshe, but it could have been any of a number of them.


On May 31 2011 22:05 chaos13 wrote:
I don't feel that either varpulis or kitaman27 are particularly scummy. I think they have definitely made some bad moves as town, but I don't believe they are scum either. Between the two of them, varpulis is more likely to be scum. tnkted is confusing, but that is probably just something to do with his role. How else could he get away with voting someone who isn't actually in the game?

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On May 31 2011 10:40 tnkted wrote:#vote coagulation

???


The person I would be most comfortable voting for right now is Tackster, because of his lurking and apparent reluctance to contribute. I'm getting a really bad feeling about him, and it's backed up by his posting.






*wiggles his tail*

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On May 31 2011 12:52 chaos13 wrote:
BC is right. You were obviously caught up in the thread, because you were reading the latest posts. If you were catching up, you'd be halfway through. You were called out for lurking and showed up almost immediately after.


On May 31 2011 13:03 chaos13 wrote:
I don't see where I asked Karshe his thoughts on Mataza. Mataza was on the list I created, as was Karshe. Perhaps he misinterpreted this.
Karshe actually did read that his name was there though - he directly said
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On May 31 2011 12:35 Karshe wrote:
I'm not lurking, I'm in the middle of getting caught up with everything. My other game (SNMM2) went 35 pages for the entire game, so this has been a bit overwhelming, lol.

He then went on to state his thoughts on Mataza, but none of the other players on the list with him (me, tnkted, varpulis, redFF).


On May 31 2011 22:19 chaos13 wrote:
GMarshal, please grace us with your thoughts on varpulis and kitaman27. Do you think they are both scum, just one of them, or none? Why? Between the two, who appears to be more scummy, and why?





While you're at it, why don't you tell me why you have consistently harassed people to start contributing without doing so yourself? Also why you mentioned a few times why zodiac lists and the type were useless without reasoning behind the names when you haven't actually given your own thoughts on anyone at all so far.

This is your biggest piece of analysis so far:
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On May 31 2011 10:58 GMarshal wrote:
##Vote: Torte de Lini for someone who is supposed to be super active the only thing he has done is play the noob card. Step up your game man.

Who do you think looks scummiest right now and why?

Your posting stance is noncommittal. Your vote commits a lot. What's going on here?

The first few questions I asked on varpulis and kita will be a perfect opportunity to start contributing some more btw. Don't forget to answer them.




*wiggles his tail*

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On May 31 2011 09:46 Jackal58 wrote:
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On May 31 2011 09:39 chaos13 wrote:
On May 31 2011 09:37 Cthsazsa wrote:
So are you suggesting we should lynch him? As of right now I think that's a horrible idea. For all we know he could have some sort of badass power that makes up for having to speak dog.


I'm saying we should definitely consider it. A potential badass power is a huge 'what if'.

And Jackal, they could both claim the roles they were actually given, so if no counterclaims come up, that doesn't mean they're town.

I'm well aware of that. I have already stated that I will be taking all role claims with a giant grain of salt. It is also rare for 2 scum to so directly connect to each other. I'm more concerned with your apparent willingness to lynch Amber simply because he speaks dog. I like dogs.


On May 31 2011 11:08 Jackal58 wrote:
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On May 31 2011 11:00 bumatlarge wrote:
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On May 31 2011 10:54 Jackal58 wrote:
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On May 31 2011 10:43 bumatlarge wrote:
On May 31 2011 10:36 Jackal58 wrote:
On May 31 2011 10:31 deskscaress wrote:
more spam, more dilution of the thread, less chances to catch slips. i point this out, you quote it and spam some more. even if you aren't mafia (and i don't see this as a scum slip by any means), it's anti-town to spam for spamming's sake. so, why are you doing it, just to spite a new player?

It's not spam. I don't know you from Adam. Yet you want to dictate how I post. It's information for you to put to use. Many of those in here are aware of how I post. And now you are.


That's so meta. Cue a tail wag from amber. And holy balls jackal you are in this game? I thought you quit TL mafia...

I like desk though, we need another straight forward and direct person in these forums. WINK WINK. I'm taking my vote off varp, I'd rather keep him around. Don't see any need to pressure palmer, he's obviously showing initiative with his posting. tnkted is a much better candidate I do believe so yes quite.

I got over myself Bum. When I left my dad was dying and I was in a perpetual bad mood. I missed you guys. I saw this game and had to give it a go. Had I known a lawyer was going to write my role I may have passed.

I have no issue with desk either. I just want to make sure he/she doesn't start confusing my short posts for posts with a lack of substance.
And while we're at it. Hey Barundar. It's summer league now. I bowl on Wednesdays.

So Bum what do you think about chaos13 and his desire to send Amber to the pound?

Ah hope everything goes well for you in life, glad to have you back. Edgar Allen Poe wrote your role too? Glad to hear I'm not alone.

Amber has some use. Obviously the creator gave some good half to that role, since amber is going to be stuck like that the whole game. He's going to lure a shot once we figure out what it is, but like the smart people have been saying, just leave it alone. I would need to read back to where chaos13 stated his move, because I don't really remember reading it.

Seems more like a fleeting suggestion looking at it now. He obviously isn't considering amber's benefits. Harmless Oversight probably.

Thanks. It's sorted.
Chaos13 is a pretty sharp cookie. He doesn't make very many harmless oversights. He's worth keeping an eye on.


On May 31 2011 11:28 Jackal58 wrote:
So first Chaos13 is telling us it's probably a good idea to get rid of an apparent dt role. Now he wants us to kill an apparent mason role.


On May 31 2011 12:12 Jackal58 wrote:
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On May 31 2011 11:59 chaos13 wrote:
I think that would be a good idea. It will give us some focus.
The five I would suggest for this:
tnkted - has not been acting entirely pro-town. I definitely want some more input here.
Sandroba - I'm still not comfortable with his plan in the beginning.
Mataza - Reacted to very light (joking) suspicion at the beginning and was quickly defended (weakly, although lightly) by GMarshal and Palmar
Karshe - has posted and clearly read the thread, but has not contributed. Lurker.
redFF - reasons already stated

What does everyone think of this?

I think you're scum.


On May 31 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote:
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On May 31 2011 20:29 Kurumi wrote:Also Jackar,are You on meth,man? Why tunneling chaos13 so hard?

Lol. I'm not tunneling Chaos. I just wanted everybody to be aware that the two people he fosfed both appear to possess roles scum would not want to have in the game.
When I tunnel somebody you and everybody else will know it.

And thanks Node. I didn't see the post from Decon regarding scum kp.


On May 31 2011 22:20 Jackal58 wrote:
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On May 31 2011 21:44 Mataza wrote:
No problem. I don´t vote yet, because I don´t intend to vote more than once.
I looked into 5 people who gave me a strange gut feeling, and only kitaman actually kept giving me that after rereading.
Its a pretty weak case, and I consider his role and his meta behaviour to be possible explanations. I can´t truly judge his meta behaviour, but his responses are unsatisfactory so far.

That´s all there is to it from my side.

Why? Voting is a tool. It serves more than one purpose.





*barks loudly* x5

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On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote:
Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch.


On May 31 2011 05:45 sandroba wrote:
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On May 31 2011 05:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Yes, knowing the pick order doesn't do much to help town, but does a lot to help scum. If town sees that the person they picked for is fake-claiming, they need to use their discretion on what to do. They can call them out on it right away, or maybe the role they gave is very useful for town, and shouldn't be claimed, or the fake claim will draw something the real role would want, like a hit. It's entirely situational, and up to the person who gave the role to know what to do, in what situation. A list of who gave something to who, just lets mafia set up even more confusion, and makes it easier to fake-claim.


That's simple to solve. Town should NOT fake role claim. Period. You either not claim or claim your role right.

For how this plan helps town: After a couple kills/lynches we won't be able to keep track of who knows which players role. If we have a day1 list there's no room for people fake confirming / lying about someone else's role after some time has passed in the thread an no one claimed to know it.
We can also take role claims that cannot be confirmed (perso is dead) with a grain of salt.


On May 31 2011 05:54 sandroba wrote:
Alright every one seems to dislike the first part of my plan, but no one has commented on policy so far. The first part which we claim what player got our role is just to make policy easier.

Either way I say we policy lynch ANYONE who lies about their role. Town has very little reason to lie about their role while mafia has a lot of reasons.
What are you guys' opinions about this?



On May 31 2011 05:59 sandroba wrote:
EBWODP: That should have read we policy lynch ANYONE who claims without valuable information or lies about their role.


On May 31 2011 06:35 sandroba wrote:
Alright, as much as I am intrigued by Amber's dog role, that's not leading us nowhere near finding scum. Maybe the person who gave Amber this role will have some info for us down the line.

I think we should focus on putting up BC's list and giving your opinion about policy lynches and LAL. Make your posts concise because this thread is quickly turning into a spam fest.





#vote: Sandroba
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
May 31 2011 15:09 GMT
#707
On May 31 2011 23:56 chaos13 wrote:
I have to admit, for such an inconvenient post restriction, Amber is really trying to contribute. He most likely isn't faking it (dumb move for scum or town, extremely implausible), and if he was scum, it would be very easy to use that to his advantage as an excuse to avoid giving his opinion on players. He has gained some serious town cred with me for his latest post. Sorry for considering lynching you earlier.


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"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 01 2011 14:13 GMT
#1013
On June 01 2011 07:38 redFF wrote:
Oh and Amber's Zodiac list
Wiggles
GM
Sandroba
kita
bum
visceraeyes
BC
Meapak
Dropbear
Jackal

Cesar Milan at your service :D


*wiggles his tail*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 01 2011 15:22 GMT
#1038
On June 02 2011 00:20 GMarshal wrote:
Today just exploded with activity for me, and I won't have time to catch up with the thread, I'm still back at page 42 or so. Anyway I won't be back till late tonight as I have a metric tonne of crap I need to get done, I really don't feel confortable voting for anyone in these conditions, since I'm not completely caught up and I don't have time to really look at anyone in depth. I probably won't be up to my usual activity levels till around this time Friday. Sorry people, last two weeks of college and all that -__-

##Unvote
##Vote:GMarshal


On May 28 2011 04:49 deconduo wrote:

Voting rules:


4. You may not vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.

"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 02 2011 04:57 GMT
#1320
*barks loudly*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 02 2011 05:22 GMT
#1324
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On June 02 2011 06:03 deconduo wrote:


"You are the Goddamn Batman. You are the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So the town hunts you because you can take it. You are a silent guardian, a watchful protector, a dark knight. Role-claming as Batman at any point of the game will get you lynched. However, since you are well disguised as Bruce Wayne, role checks on you come back as Playboy Millionaire.

Every night you go ahead and protect the first person being targeted by a KP. However, you are truly incorruptible and do not let scum die out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness and thus protect that person regardless of their alignment.

Your Arch-Nemesis, the Joker, is bumatlarge. He knows who you are but can not cause your death. You may not reveal his role nor can he reveal yours. If he dies, you will retire from your life of fighting crime, satisfied that the city is safe."


"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 03 2011 13:37 GMT
#1607
On June 03 2011 16:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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Serial Killer
You win if you are the last one standing. You have a bulletproof vest that can survive two night hits. You also have a gun that has two bullets.


Bum claimed complete invulnerability, Kurumi claimed SK. SK can survive two night hits. You can't shoot him to death, you have to lynch him.

So no, I'm not the clear lynch here. I am not "confirmed" scum, there is no such thing as confirmation, until you flip, I'll say it again. Bum and Sandroba have claimed to be anti-town. There is absolutely no reason that town would claim anti-town. So, you're going to lynch me, who is town, over two as close to confirmed as can be anti-town players?

Personally, I believe that Bum is mafia, not SK, and that he can be shot at night. I'll be willing to use my second shot tonight, on Bum, to call his bluff.

Kurumi, I believe him when he says he's the Serial Killer. This means, we can't kill him at night, and that he needs to be lynched.

So here's what I see in the thread:

You want to lynch me, when I'm nowhere near confirmed anti-town, and keep both Kurumi and Bum alive. They are both anti-town, they've claimed so. You're worried about me using a kill tonight, when both Bum and Kurumi should have a kill tonight as an SK.

I say:

[*]We lynch Kurumi today, to lower night KP
[*]I shoot Bum tonight
[*]If he's still alive, we lynch him
[*]If he dies, you can do whatever you want with me

Put down your torches and pitchforks, and look at this logically. There's two people, who are both 100% not town, and you want to keep them around. That doesn't make sense.


*barks loudly*

#vote: Mr. Wiggles
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 05 2011 16:40 GMT
#1898
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On June 03 2011 08:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On June 03 2011 08:37 Cthsazsa wrote:
Are you serious Mataza?
Why the hell would you consider lynching someone else over an CONFIRMED SCUM. Steff can also confirm this.
Why are you even trying to defend a scum? Yeah redFF is crazy, but maybe his speculation of you being scum is true. I'm going to start taking his voice into consideration.


As for Bum, he can wait another day.




I'm not confirmed, stop throwing that word around, it's stupid. Scum like to use that word, to hide behind checks, but let me tell you this. The only time you're confirmed, is when you die and flip. There is no other thing that is confirmed.


On June 03 2011 09:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On June 03 2011 09:01 Barundar wrote:
Modconfirmed red check

##Vote Wiggles

Will read thread tomorrow...


Firstly, it's not mod confirmed, I don't get where people got that idea from. It just means the results are what actually came back, not that they're correct about my alignment.

I'd also like to see you post more, and with actual substance. You've done basically nothing this game, and it's starting to become pretty suspicious. If you're town, you're not doing a very good job of helping.



On June 03 2011 07:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On June 03 2011 07:03 redFF wrote:
Ok guys we lynch wiggles. No more discussion of that please. We now have a day to hunt scum. Less with the spam and retarded roleclaims, more with the scumhunting. GO look at what i have said about Mataza, he is clear mafia at this point and refuses to defend himself lol.

Also, don't listen to anything bum or kurumi say, they are not town so it is best to ignore them unitl they give us a reason to lynch them.

I'm still not sure who I'm going to mason with today if somebody wants to be mason'd then by all means tell me and I will consider it.

Stop derping up the thread and start finding scum. No more Wiggles discussion, as steff seems to have confirmed that he was scum. Lets get on to finding the rest of them now!


How am I confirmed scum? You're going to lynch another green because you don't give things thought and just blindly tunnel. I don't get how no one else is looking at this, and just accepting it blindly as true. That's what scum love to do, hide behind wrong DT checks and ride with easy lynches. Another day wasted.



On June 03 2011 15:19 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On June 03 2011 14:53 hiro protagonist wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that theres a lot of talking going on outside this thread. -_______-
guess I will just have to wait till people come back here.

some thoughts: Wiggles has got to be the vote. As jackal pointed out, there is very little chance that Mafia could have planed that. They did not know his role, I did. (unless he revealed his role in some mansion pm, but that does not sound like wiggles, or there is some daytime dt). It also makes sense for him to use his bullets, as if he is hit, he has no more of them. good to get the most use as soon as possible. The only thing that bothers me is Desk as a hit. why kill him, as he was not terribly useful imo. should the very unlikely happen and Wiggles flips green, Cthsazsa becomes my top suspect, as he gave sinani his role.

##vote Mr. Wiggles

There is not a lot of discussion about the God Damned Batman's after death statement. I would like to hear what people have to say about this. Why did he say Lynch? does he know that it would not bring him back? does he think hes scum? Writing this, I realize no one can answer it. But it bugs me.

Im fucking confused


Did you not read what I wrote? This isn't a scum master plan. All hits on sinani were redirected to desks, to stop all hits on him, like a bus driver, in order to stop anyone shooting him and reviving BC. This way, no matter how many people shot sinani, no one would hit him. This wasn't an ability that was used on me, it was an ability used on sinani, so if there was a watcher on desks, or even on sinani, now would be a good time to say something if you have relevant information. A frame on me, is completely irrelevant to hits on sinani being redirected to desks. The two things were two different actions, on two different people, that just happened to line up and cause this chaos.

Mafia didn't need to know my role. They didn't need to know desk's role. All they needed to believe was that shooting sinani would bring back BC, and that they didn't want that to happen.

Also, lynching sinani, seems like a bad idea, don't even bring it up. He's claimed his ability only works on being shot, and so did his role creator. I'm thinking there might a scum with a role that lets him post through dead people, and that explains BC. I discussed a similar idea for a role with some people before the game, so it's not too far fetched. I still wouldn't risk lynching sinani regardless of why BC posted, when anyone who knows anything about the role denies lynching lets him revive people.



On June 03 2011 16:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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Serial Killer
You win if you are the last one standing. You have a bulletproof vest that can survive two night hits. You also have a gun that has two bullets.


Bum claimed complete invulnerability, Kurumi claimed SK. SK can survive two night hits. You can't shoot him to death, you have to lynch him.

So no, I'm not the clear lynch here. I am not "confirmed" scum, there is no such thing as confirmation, until you flip, I'll say it again. Bum and Sandroba have claimed to be anti-town. There is absolutely no reason that town would claim anti-town. So, you're going to lynch me, who is town, over two as close to confirmed as can be anti-town players?

Personally, I believe that Bum is mafia, not SK, and that he can be shot at night. I'll be willing to use my second shot tonight, on Bum, to call his bluff.

Kurumi, I believe him when he says he's the Serial Killer. This means, we can't kill him at night, and that he needs to be lynched.

So here's what I see in the thread:

You want to lynch me, when I'm nowhere near confirmed anti-town, and keep both Kurumi and Bum alive. They are both anti-town, they've claimed so. You're worried about me using a kill tonight, when both Bum and Kurumi should have a kill tonight as an SK.

I say:

[*]We lynch Kurumi today, to lower night KP
[*]I shoot Bum tonight
[*]If he's still alive, we lynch him
[*]If he dies, you can do whatever you want with me

Put down your torches and pitchforks, and look at this logically. There's two people, who are both 100% not town, and you want to keep them around. That doesn't make sense.


On June 03 2011 16:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On June 03 2011 16:36 Barundar wrote:
Why do you believe one of them claiming over the other? Mafia want's to push SK's that helps town you know...


I believe Bum is lying, because of how it came out, and also because I don't think kurumi would be dumb enough to claim SK for no reason when there wasn't suspicion on him if he was scum. There's no guarantee that Kurumi is going to do anything to help town, and I highly doubt he will. He's impossible to read, and very erratic. He's already killed a town player, and he'll continue to do so in the future. Even if he agreed to work with town, I don't think we're organized enough to actually give him a good target, and we'll continue to spill green blood. Remove the temptation and the potential now to spare ourselves further suffering down the road. That's my line of thought. It also lets us continue business more quickly, instead of having to waste a lynch on an SK when there's fewer people.



*sniff sniff...*



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On June 03 2011 07:17 Mataza wrote:
Kurumi use your brain.
Cobbler stated that it was all he was allowed to post.
So decon prolly forbade him to say "dayvig sinani so I can live"

Btw I´m cool with turning the Black Motherfucker back into vanilla.
KP and misinformation are antitown in itself. Town wants detective type roles.
We have 1 unclaimed kp this night. That means if all the shooters tonight are town and they just did not FUCKING SHOOT SEMIRANDOMLY, we would have only lost 2 guys. Instead we lost 6(Thats a fifth of all our players).

If we go by lynching instead of vigishooting we get more nights for role and alignment checks. So for fucks sake don´t shoot people who are unconfirmed.

Also, please claim out killpower roles. We have 1 unconfirmed shooting, chances are that the unclaimed shot was done by scum.

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Redff, last game I answered to every little question asked to me. It cluttered up the thread. Also, I don´t feel any pressure, so you are doing it wrong. If you want to know my every little thought, vote me and ask via pm. People will be annoyed if I write even more




On June 03 2011 15:50 Mataza wrote:
Talking about what Cobbler said after death is inconclusive. Normally he wouldn´t be allowed to talk after death anyway, so chances are he didn´t do it out of his own.


Now just one little thing I wan to add regarding kills and lynches.
We have 3 bulletproof anti town people.
Bum and Kurumi who claim to be SK and Wiggles, who was revealed as scum.

Of the 3, only Kurumi can be killed normally in 1 night. He is SK, therefore he should be done with 2kp. I know a certain brofistdeathraydispenser who is not roleblockable and has 2 kp. So yeah, after 12 fistpounds Palmar should kill Kurumi.

Wiggles and Bum are invulnerable at night. If I recall correctly, Bums role cannot be verified by someone in the game.
There should also be reasonable doubt that Bum is in fact part of Scum. People here like to think both sides need experienced players for an even game.
Now given a Joker and a Goddamn Batman, these people being Bloodcobbler and Bumatlarge, if they were town and scum, it would be pretty even., doesn´t it?

Now if I could decide, I would say we lynch both Wiggles and Bum tonight.
Yes, Wiggles can kill and had check that revealed him as scum. He needs to die.
But Bum is Serial Killer, he even said so himself. If someone(I don´t remember who said it) interpreted the joker role right, he can shoot with his role power and with the fact he is serial killer. So he would have 2 kills per night.


Now think about the possibilities what Bum could exactly be:
1) He says the truth and he is SK whos killpower is part of his role and has no alignment kp.
2) He lies and he is Scum with killpower in his role.
3) He lies and he is SK with a rolepower we do know nothing about.

Think about these possibilities.
Every single option is bad obviously, but the only reason to assume the least dangerous is true is to believe a confirmed anti town player.
(If we have the maker of the joker role in the audience, please speak up.)

I for myself do not believe one word Bum said so far. He is experienced, he knows we can´t force him to tell the truth.
Also from what I heard, I fear Bum as Scum Mastermind far more than Wiggles as Scum Mastermind.


*grrrr...*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 06 2011 01:19 GMT
#2041
On June 06 2011 09:31 redFF wrote:
No palmar. Heres what you do, you shoot at a list. Not the person who is the most obvious, but the person who you think wont be redirected. Jackal, Tnkted, Torte, Barundar/eternal/hiro. As to how I know who is/isn't scum. I have a mason role, I've learnt a lot of shizz over the last 3 days.

I know that one of these 3 is scum:
Barundar/eternal/hiro- If i had to guess I would say Barundar but i'm gonna look over the thread again.

I know that:
Torte is scum

I'm sure that both Bum and Mataza are scum but we will see how they flip I guess.

Jackal is just a gut read.

Just vig torte, jackal or whoever you think is scummiest out of barundar/hiro/eternalmisfit
Don't tell us obv.


*whines sadly*

"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 06 2011 21:41 GMT
#2259
On June 06 2011 10:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:
#vote: bumatlarge


*barks loudly*
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*barks loudly*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 07 2011 01:25 GMT
#2294
On June 07 2011 09:59 Pandain wrote:
*whimpers*

*growls*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 07 2011 14:24 GMT
#2360
On June 07 2011 22:44 Mataza wrote:
Bum or Palmar is a question of a good liar vs. a bad liar. Bum was the first confirmed anti town in the entire game. Both will go down soon™.
Who goes down first is up to preference and maybe the fact you want to use a lynch on someone who has a 90% chance to die to Assassins tonight.
Wasting a lynch is quite anti town, since it delays the lynch of real scum.


While we´re at it, did Kurumi claim which role he made?
I have made a little flow chart with 2 longer chains of roleclaiming already.

Stefftastiq(Medium) -> Mataza(Stalker) -> Meapak_Ziphh(Notary) -> Torte de lini(Roleblockstuff)

Jackal(Smilie Mason) -> Tnkted(Unlynchable) -> Palmar(Brofistdeathray Dispenser) -> Amber(Dog)

Hiro(????) -> Wiggles(Black Motherfucker)

Node(Indie rockstar) -> ???(Kp role, more than 1 kill)

BC(Batman) <-> Bum(Joker)



If I forgot something, feel free to correct this. Node maybe created for Karshe, but we can´t be sure about that.
After this game is over I would love to see a bit disclosure on the creation chain from decon.

However, everyone who didn´t say who he made a role for must either be sure that his role is very pro town or is part of the scum team waiting to mess with us in some way.


*growls*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 07 2011 15:00 GMT
#2373
On June 07 2011 23:28 Jackal58 wrote:
What's that Lassie???
Timmy fell down the well?????
Quick! Get a rope.
Lynch Palmar!!!!


*growls*


On June 07 2011 06:41 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 10:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:
#vote: bumatlarge


*barks loudly*
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On June 07 2011 06:41 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 10:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:
#vote: bumatlarge


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On June 07 2011 06:41 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 10:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:
#vote: bumatlarge


*barks loudly*
*barks loudly*
*barks loudly*
*barks loudly*
*barks loudly*

"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 07 2011 15:01 GMT
#2374
NOT GAME RELATED:

Happy Day Before Your Birthday Jackal!
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 07 2011 15:04 GMT
#2376
^________________________________^
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 07 2011 16:03 GMT
#2401
On June 08 2011 01:01 Karshe wrote:
The crappy thing is during the night I was deciding between Mataza and Kurumi for my bomb... I think I chose wrong.


*wiggles his tail*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 07 2011 16:16 GMT
#2407
On June 08 2011 01:06 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 01:03 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On June 08 2011 01:01 Karshe wrote:
The crappy thing is during the night I was deciding between Mataza and Kurumi for my bomb... I think I chose wrong.


*wiggles his tail*

Does that mean he chose wrong?


Or does that mean Mataza is scum?


*barks loudly*

*lies down*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 07 2011 16:47 GMT
#2426
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"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 07 2011 17:59 GMT
#2490
On June 08 2011 02:53 Eternalmisfit wrote:
I hope people would read the thread. The sequence of events regarding sinani (check pages 62-75) for details

Sinani asks town to kill him
Mig asks whether lynching Sinani would work (raises a ?)
Sinani claims only a night kill will do so.
Discussion goes on during the night on whether to kill him or nor.

In Day, Mig suddenly claims that he had not read the role for sinani properly and didn't see that his role only worked at night (raised a ?). He later reveals the role.

Sinani lurks since that point apart from fist-pounding Palmar and defending him. I hoped to make him slip-up by asking to reveal his role (and check the exact description between Sinani and Mig's claims) when he was on but he disappeared after my post and only replied after 7 hours.

That pretty much covers entirety of Sinani's play apart from jumping on once a day crying ' Why didn't you kill me town?'

------------------------------------------------------------------

I am tired of trying to read the thread and doing analysis while it is near clear that no one cares to do. I will do my role-claim (great job making such a dumb role whoever it was) sometime later in the night.

As to people still wondering whether Batman and Joker were inserted by the host in the game, I created the Batman role and I am 60-70% sure that Joker's role was created by Varpulis (at a certain point after decon got my role idea). Check the initial part of the thread where varp initially made a role which he said was boring and then later said that he has made a new role which is much more interesting.

---------------------------------------

Also, if Palmar flips scum, I am quite sure redFF is scum. Why? He knew of 2 DTs in the game (Chaos13 and Varp) and both of them died in the first night after red knew. Read his fist-pound shenanigans at the start of the day 3 as well. He started with accusing Palmar and asking no one to fistpounds to Palmar. But instantly after Palmar claimed his new role, he made a u-turn and gave him a fist-pound. There are multiple inconsistencies in his posting but no one gives a damn since no one reads the thread. He mason's Rean in D3 after being totally against him on D2 and N2.

Sinani is directly associated with Palmar also due to the fist-pounds which made absolute no sense considering there were given to a 'vigi' who had shot a DT so obviously outed the night before. Compound, Sinani's defense for Palmar (which was prolly his only contribution today), Sinani is most likely scum. If a townie had sinani's role where he was near immune to mafia hits and was green confirmed by town, he would probably do a lot analysis and make his role count. But, once Sinani was sure that we wont be lynched, he just lurked since then. Also, his roleblock claim and asking no one to shoot him much later during D3 seems suspicious since he would have seen and claimed that earlier.

Mataza is also likely scum based on his D3 behavior. When the bomb was set to explode at 24 hr mark, he was hardcore attacking Palmar and trying to bus him. Just after the deadline was changed, his posting changed a lot and also he made a post he was regretting his actions he did assuming a 24 hr bomb. Again, no one noticed since no one gives a damn apart from deciding who to shoot on next day. He and hiro were the only ones who defended Mr. Wiggles as well. I am giving 70-30 odds of him flipping scum.

Also, people missed Kurumi's 6 KP claim in N2. It is rather unlikely to be any assassins in the game since it would need atleast three assassins in the game to make it balanced for them.
3 KP (Palmar included) + 1 Kurumi + 1 GM + 1 Mafia + 1 Karshe - doesn't add up. Also, this assumes Bum has 0 KP and is lying about his powers and/or role.

-----------------------

Also, I have yet to see a strong case against Torte apart from the weak suspicion based on the fact that he passively RB'd GM (which is outside his control and was confirmed by Meapak a confirmed townie). But, if you repeat someone is scum often enough, you have enough people on the bandwagon.

------------------------

And finally here is why lynching bum is a bad idea. What information that lynching bum reveal? Absolutely zilch,nada, nil. He is not even associated with anyone at this point since he was revealed N1). On the other, flipping Palmar provides a plethora of information to go on which can analyzed. I got bread-crumbed information that there is a possible vote-checker in town (don't ask where I got it) and since Palmar voted for VisceraEyes (whose list was possibly checked), his flip will again provide some interesting flip here.

Combining the fact Palmar has been anti-town, killed townies, and lied out of his ass with the point that his flip actually reveals a lot for late-game, and that he still has a KP, makes him an excellent lynch target.

Here's my case against him. And the rest of my suspect lists and analysis. Take it or leave it. I am not going to bother posting anymore till night-time. I know this a rather badly constructed post and I don't care since half the people wont bother to read it anyways.



On June 08 2011 02:52 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 02:48 Rean wrote:
People can choose, bomb/shoot Torte de Lini or Palmar. Both are a good use of a shot because both are anti-town. : We lynch Bumatlarge.

Why? Why do you want to lynch the guy who may or may not have a kp and is anti town over the guy who is anti-town and has a kp?

dsjdsakdsjkdsfjk

Why do you people have difficulty grasping this? I've explained it in small words.

Ok, you know what? Fine, if the town is going to play crappy as hell so can I.

I am declaring GM's unilateral martial law. I am going to begin inducting people who are playing notably crappy into my circle and executing them. This measure is to encourage people to think.

I'm done persuading people of things, I talk with my guns now.



*sniff sniff*
*wiggles his tail*

##vote: Palmer

"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 08 2011 21:37 GMT
#2759
*wiggles his tail*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 08 2011 22:57 GMT
#2808
On June 09 2011 07:44 Mig wrote:
Shooting Kurumi won't kill him he has 2 vests don't be crazy. Kurumi will have to be lynched at some point but town should have plenty of time. And he killed sinani last night so he actually helped town.


*grrrr*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 09 2011 14:12 GMT
#2868
On June 09 2011 18:14 DropBear wrote:
ON HIRO PROTAGONIST


Hiro is on both votecheck lists provided by Rean. He has much lower activity than many of the players remaining.


DAY 1
Jumped on the Viscera Train late, helping it get over the line at the last minute. The only reasoning given is this:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 05:49 hiro protagonist wrote:
unless vis steps up, I might switch to him at this point




DAY 2
Once Mr Wiggles is brought up as red:

Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 06:45 hiro protagonist wrote:
On June 03 2011 06:44 Cthsazsa wrote:
On June 03 2011 06:40 hiro protagonist wrote:
On June 03 2011 06:34 Cthsazsa wrote:
GUYS!
I promise Wiggles is lying.
I created Desk's role and I specifically stated in the pm that I sent in that, "If you are killed, your killer's alignment is revealed to everyone".
I am begging you guys, please do not believe wiggles, we need to lynch him first before we kill anyone else as he is a Confirmed Scum

Mr. Wiggles,


If you created desks role, and you where scum, and you knew you had a framer, you would do it...





That is a HUGE wifom and a HUGE "what if". Why are you so easily defending him, scum?.

If someone kills Wiggles now, and he flips green, you guys will know I am scum.
But I promise you, the above will never happen.


because I know something you dont.

Which is?????????

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On June 03 2011 06:57 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, Wiggles does have a gun. I was not sure about Cthsazsa being town. still not. but Im not gonna trap him like I thought I could. It now seems very implausible that Wiggles is town. but It must be a lynch and not a bullet.

##Fistpound Palmer



No shit it's unlikely he's town, he was flipped in the day post. Only now it is obvious he is toast are you willing to admit this. You don't have a choice except to bus anymore.

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On June 03 2011 07:01 hiro protagonist wrote:
On June 03 2011 07:00 Cthsazsa wrote:
hiro why are you suddenly changing your mind about Wiggles? Because no one else believes you?

I honestly can't tell if your just a bad town or bad scum.


I gave you my reason

Which was????????

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On June 03 2011 07:20 hiro protagonist wrote:
OK, we have are lynch targets for today: Wiggles, Bum. which should we off first? on one hand, we know wiggles role. and he still has one more bullet to use. not good. I am not confident Bum has his powers. Wiggles might be the best lynch for tonight.

But then the God Damned Batman yells out from his grave and says for us to lynch sinani? I am confused as too why this was allowed, and what intentions are behind BC statement.

This is classic nothing post. Brings up lynch candidates but doesn't want to commit either way, then tries to divert discussion into BC's post.


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On June 03 2011 14:53 hiro protagonist wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that theres a lot of talking going on outside this thread. -_______-
guess I will just have to wait till people come back here.

some thoughts: Wiggles has got to be the vote. As jackal pointed out, there is very little chance that Mafia could have planed that. They did not know his role, I did. (unless he revealed his role in some mansion pm, but that does not sound like wiggles, or there is some daytime dt). It also makes sense for him to use his bullets, as if he is hit, he has no more of them. good to get the most use as soon as possible. The only thing that bothers me is Desk as a hit. why kill him, as he was not terribly useful imo. should the very unlikely happen and Wiggles flips green, Cthsazsa becomes my top suspect, as he gave sinani his role.

##vote Mr. Wiggles

There is not a lot of discussion about the God Damned Batman's after death statement. I would like to hear what people have to say about this. Why did he say Lynch? does he know that it would not bring him back? does he think hes scum? Writing this, I realize no one can answer it. But it bugs me.

Im fucking confused

Tries to divert onto Cthsazsa and divert onto the BC discussion again.

He only switches over once it is apparent that there is no chance in hell of Wiggles getting out alive.



DAY 3

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 04:06 hiro protagonist wrote:
Im back. First, I want to say Im sorry. I pulled a bit of a kiti and soft raged quit after night 2. I was frustrated at the amount of town on town killings in 2 days. I was also frustrated that most of the real discussions seemed to be going on in mansion circles, which I was left out of... I did not know who to trust, and I had no leads. I felt useless

Now I come back to see a lot of really good discussion and leads. this has to be the turning point for us. I read up through the thread and have decided to vote Palmar. I am pinning my hopes on this because If Palmar flips scum then I can finally trust Jackal and GM. something I have been hesitant to do.

##vote Palmar



Ok so he goes after Palmar, someone who he didn't have on his radar, over bumatlarge who he was talking about Day 2, for the sake of being able to trust people he doesn't trust?

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 04:20 hiro protagonist wrote:
On June 08 2011 04:14 Cthsazsa wrote:
On June 08 2011 04:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
sorry Cthsazsa. you have been the model townie, in my eyes 100% green. thanks for being such a work horse for us. are you gonna switch your vote? if so why? cuz you are the one I trust the most.


And what have you done that helps town? Nothing. You and Sinani alike have been lurking almost the whole game.


Not the whole game -___-

I was mostly active up till night 2. But I do deserve some lashing for my disappearance. I am sorry.
Also, Palmars defense of me really makes me think he is mafia at this point. I don't see how anyone could say I'm mostly town...

So you vote Palmar, because he defends you? This is just weak reasoning for jumping on the train.



DAY 4

Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 08:06 hiro protagonist wrote:
On June 09 2011 07:40 Palmar wrote:
this is of course assuming Bum blows up


This needs to be talked about more. We can not leave it to chance that bum will die. I think we should lynch him NOW. He should have been the last lynch. towns got plenty of KP that can be put on people likely to die from it. we got Palmar. Letws Lynch Bum

Bum is almost guaranteed to die to the bomb. What kind of role would be bulletproof day and night? That would be stupidly overpowered and there's no way deconduo would have allowed it. You are trying to stop the scum team losing 2 people in one day.

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On June 09 2011 16:02 hiro protagonist wrote:
On June 09 2011 15:51 Barundar wrote:
Why would town lynch bum? I don't even get the reasoning, he claimed bullet proof at night, not at day.

Seems like a poor attempt to waste a KP for town. This is not over yet guys.


waste a KP? hardly. I don't believe a word bum says. your argument does not prove anything, The fact of the mater is, we don't know if that bomb is gonna kill him. Others are worried too. I just was talking about other options. And yes, this is far from over. the last thing we need to do, is waste KP on a townie. I would rather save bullets for known scum. We have a DT. check me. I will vote with town. after the night, then we see who is scummy

If Torte survives tonight, there's more roleblocks the following night. Same as the previous point. Trying desperately to save Torte.



CONCLUSION

Hiro has actively tried to derail the Wiggles and Torte lynches. He has been on last second trains on Viscera and Palmar with little or poor reasoning. He tried repeatedly to derail town concerning the BC post which was irrelevant at the time. He is on the votecheck lists.

Hiro Protagonist is Mafia.


*sniff sniff...*
*wiggles his tail*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 09 2011 17:05 GMT
#2874
On June 09 2011 16:30 Rean wrote:
Amber[LighT], listen up. You're going to tell me who you targetted each night. Quote posts and growl at your night 1 target, wiggle your tail at the n2 target, bark loudly at the n3 target. Capiche? Good doggie.



On June 09 2011 06:18 Jackal58 wrote:
I was role blocked last night. A smiley free day!!!!!!
Now I'm going bowling. And drinking. Mostly drinking.
Fuck you smileys!!!!!!


*growls*


On June 09 2011 08:22 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 06:42 Eternalmisfit wrote:
@GM

Who did you try to kill last night?

Kurumi, it says so in the day post, I only had one member in my circle, so only one person I could attempt to sacrifice.

Also FUCK YEAH, my mistake has been redeemed, thanks sinani206, I owe you a post game beer

##Fistpound: Palmar


*wiggles his tail*
*barks loudly*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 09 2011 17:24 GMT
#2876
On June 10 2011 02:22 Jackal58 wrote:
I thought you were growling at me being role blocked. But I gotcha.
Also ##Fistpound Palmar.
Also I'm buried at work and won't be active til later tonight.
Also no fucking smileys.


"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 10 2011 14:48 GMT
#2929
*wiggles his tail*

[Not game related: we had a bad storm yesterday and I've been without power since about 4 pm yesterday so all I really have is my phone to check for updates. They don't know of were getting power back today or tomorrow]
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 11 2011 03:40 GMT
#2977
On June 11 2011 09:50 GMarshal wrote:
We should lynch Jackal, find if he is SK or if there is a framer in play. If there is a framer, then all our awesome list checks were just rendered worthless. I mean as a SK we cannot vigi him, so we lynch him, have palmar vigi Barundar and then narrow down the list that is left.

Sound like a plan?


*wiggles his tail*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 11 2011 14:09 GMT
#2999
On June 11 2011 18:15 Palmar wrote:
I need fistpounds guys, need extra health and the bullet.

At the moment my main concern would be to negate as many KP's as possible. GMarshal can't kill anyone tonight because he doesn't have anyone in his cult.

Karshe has a KP, I have a KP, the mafia has a KP and jackal has a KP, in theory.

We have 11 players remaining:

Karshe
GMarshal
redFF
Amber[LighT]
Cthsazsa
Barundar
DropBear
stefftastiq
Rean
Jackal58
Palmar

I think up to 4 (but more likely 3) of those are anti-town.

Barundar, Jackal and someone else.

Lynching Jackal and shooting Barundar is a good plan. There is an additional benefit to it in the fact that I can probably sort-of-clear amber in the process. I think Rean considers him clear too.

And that leaves what to do with karshe's bomb, and whom GMarshal should introduce into his circle. I guess we can discuss that in the night.

Stefftastiq, we still need to hear from you, you should have some information for us?

#Fistpound me!

##Vote Jackal58



*wiggles his tail*

On June 11 2011 18:15 Palmar wrote:
I need fistpounds guys, need extra health and the bullet.

#Fistpound me!

##Vote Jackal58


*wiggles his god damned tail*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 11 2011 14:15 GMT
#3001
On June 11 2011 22:59 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 22:46 Rean wrote:
We're lynching Jackal. He still has KP, Barundar only has his mafia KP and I doubt he's the only mafia left.

Lynch Barundar. 3 black alignments will leave the game tonight. Me and GMarshall will be dead and the 3rd will leave as a victor. Plus you lynch a red. Win win win for town. Why do you think GMarshall and I jumped on Palmar so quick when he claimed he was an assassin? Wasn't because we though he was scum. I might not be town and I can't possibly win my condition now since you checked me but I would love to deny GMarshall his wincon too. Plus as a disinterested 3rd party I honestly want town to win. Fuck scum.
And none of us could take a chance on shooting while Kurumi was still alive. We would have been outed immediately.
So town - Lynch Barundar. He's scum. I have no interest in shooting townies or scum. Just assassins.


*sniff sniff...*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 11 2011 20:12 GMT
#3036
On June 12 2011 05:02 Karshe wrote:
Well it's not me, and if it's not you, then it has to be Amber or GMarshal. If you believe GMarshal is 3rd party then it has to be Amber. How is anyone supposed to build a case against a dog? All he can do is q


*barks loudly*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 11 2011 22:55 GMT
#3089
On June 12 2011 07:46 Cthsazsa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 07:37 Rean wrote:
On June 12 2011 07:29 Cthsazsa wrote:
Rean if you think I'm scum try again. Calling people scum because you have a gut feeling is going to cost us the game.
I also think you should go back and actually read my two posts about why Karshe is scum.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227186&currentpage=149#2980

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227186&currentpage=152#3031


Could you share your thoughts on Amber please?


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On June 11 2011 15:34 Cthsazsa wrote:
Amber, he's a freakin dog for god's sake. It's impossible to get a read on him when all we can analyze is barks and tail-waggings.
Rean I don't know why the hell you didn't check Amber instead of Jackal. EM claimed medic, of course he was going to die. 99% chance you're going to die tonight as well, so any shit you come up with is useless.
I also don't trust the dog and I really don't see any other way Town is going to be sure of his alignment.
.





*growls*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 12 2011 00:13 GMT
#3098
On June 12 2011 07:57 Rean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 07:55 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On June 12 2011 07:46 Cthsazsa wrote:
On June 12 2011 07:37 Rean wrote:
On June 12 2011 07:29 Cthsazsa wrote:
Rean if you think I'm scum try again. Calling people scum because you have a gut feeling is going to cost us the game.
I also think you should go back and actually read my two posts about why Karshe is scum.

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227186&currentpage=149#2980

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227186&currentpage=152#3031


Could you share your thoughts on Amber please?


On June 11 2011 15:34 Cthsazsa wrote:
Amber, he's a freakin dog for god's sake. It's impossible to get a read on him when all we can analyze is barks and tail-waggings.
Rean I don't know why the hell you didn't check Amber instead of Jackal. EM claimed medic, of course he was going to die. 99% chance you're going to die tonight as well, so any shit you come up with is useless.
I also don't trust the dog and I really don't see any other way Town is going to be sure of his alignment.
.





*growls*


Now you're here: please quote whoever you targetted last night and lie down please.


*lies down*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 12 2011 15:43 GMT
#3158
On June 13 2011 00:37 Rean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 00:22 redFF wrote:
You guys are dumb and jackal is taking you for a ride. We lynch Barundar, THE CONFIRMED SCUM PLAYER. I'm leaning towards Cthasza scum too. Here is how we need the voting to go.

Everyone vote Barundar except Palmar, Rean, Jackal and me, then we check the Barundar vote list tommorow and see how much scum is left?

Palmar shoots cthasza, here's why:
Cthasza scum-He's mafia and he dies, takes town with him but hes gotta die at some point.

Cthasza town- He's town and he dies, I think he should take either Jackal or dropbear with him.

This game is full of fuck and I have stuff to do, lynch the confirmed scum please ffs.


Stop being retarded. Nobody's shooting cthasza. We're very low on players left if you haven't noticed and these 1 on 1 trades aren't going to work out. We have to lynch Jackal and shoot Barundar simply because we can't afford Jackal shooting another townie.

Seeing how much scum is left is nice but it doesn't actually help us win.

We're keeping the list the way I said before: Amber has to vote for Jackal58 and we're good.


*wiggles his tail*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 12 2011 16:23 GMT
#3172
On June 12 2011 08:36 Palmar wrote:
also, will you give me some more bloody fistpounds?

amber, you can #pawpound: Palmar

and it will count.


On June 12 2011 08:36 Palmar wrote:
also, will you give me some more bloody fistpounds?

amber, you can #pawpound: Palmar

and it will count.



On June 12 2011 08:36 Palmar wrote:
also, will you give me some more bloody fistpounds?

amber, you can #pawpound: Palmar

and it will count.



On June 12 2011 08:36 Palmar wrote:
also, will you give me some more bloody fistpounds?

amber, you can #pawpound: Palmar

and it will count.



On June 12 2011 08:36 Palmar wrote:
also, will you give me some more bloody fistpounds?

amber, you can #pawpound: Palmar

and it will count.


"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 12 2011 21:14 GMT
#3185
I'm sorry but that role description made me LOL
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 14 2011 01:53 GMT
#3244
On June 14 2011 10:48 redFF wrote:
Ok GM you wanna know why there isn't a framer?
GMarshal -Role confirmed-killed kurumi, steff is in his cult
Palmar -role confirmed
Rean -role confirmed
DropBear -Meapak's death=role confirmed
stefftastiq-All his action spotting has been correct-role confirmed
Amber[LighT] -framer dog???+my rolecheck
Karshe - bombs confirm role
Cthsazsa -role confirmed by other player+my rolecheck
redFF-role confirmed
Who is a framer?


*growls*

*sniff sniff*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 14 2011 14:25 GMT
#3267
On June 14 2011 17:10 Palmar wrote:
Some interesting points.

If rean is fucking with us, it's almost 100% chance that stefftastiq is the other scum, because he confirmed Rean's night action today, and it's results. This makes it very likely that Rean and Steff are both town.

Amber cannot frame anyone, we still need to know who you targeted tonight.

We also need to try to account for the mafia kill. For some reason the mafia KP did not land tonight, why?

I agree with lynching DropBear tonight, and will cast my vote thusly. I see no reason to doubt the Rean check, confirmed by Stefftastiq, and we should have a vast majority to check this list. Let's just start this by lynching DropBear.

##Vote DropBear


*sniff sniff*

??????????????????????????
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#3270
On June 15 2011 01:28 Palmar wrote:
amber: stefftastiq gets a random night action clue. today he got the clue that the psychic had found two mafia, which is the same result as rean (psychic) had already posted.

karshe, i am pretty sure amber has been helping town. i still want amber to wiggle his tail at the person he targeted last night.


On June 14 2011 22:14 Rean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 21:30 redFF wrote:
Rean ignoring your votechecks at this stage when we know you are a dt and your previous list has been correct would be retarded. We have to kill into that list. Amber/GM for other scum probably, but we can't kill them both in one night so tonight Palmar should shoot GM.


Give an argument for why we should kill GMarshal over Amber. ALso, no, it wouldn't be retarded BECAUSE there might be a miller/godfather type role in play. You're blatantly ignoring that possibility in favor of just shooting your way through, which is a retarded philosophy to have.


*wiggles his tail*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 14 2011 17:02 GMT
#3272
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"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 15 2011 23:27 GMT
#3444
*wiggles his tail*
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 16 2011 23:15 GMT
#3511
*aroooooo*

Good luck town!
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 18 2011 22:40 GMT
#3620
Gg town. I was nervous thinking the town was going to let marshal slide.

Would play another ptp again thanks decon and bb for hosting.

Thanks for making me a mute palmer. It actually helped me stay alive
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 19 2011 07:27 GMT
#3650
Lol my zodiac list was my scum list. I wanted Redff to post it for me on Day 1 to see what would happen. I also wanted to use that list to get a reaction out of him. I was pretty convinced he was pro-town when he didn't question the list or get offended by who I chose.

I also put viscera on that list so mafia would think he would be a good shot target since I made his role. I didn't think he was going to get lynched day 1.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 20 2011 13:02 GMT
#3674
On June 20 2011 16:21 DropBear wrote:
One other thing I forgot to mention.

Keep the game in the thread. Torte de Lini was being hassled when he posted in other forums. Noone should have to put up with that any time they post outside the Mafia forum. It's distasteful.


That should be a general TL mafia rule...
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
June 21 2011 16:26 GMT
#3685
To be honest in most situations you shouldn't claim medic since you're going to get hit. You don't know if there is another medic in the game as well, so you're giving mafia a free kill.

Luckily I was the other medic and I was still alive. I could have infinitely protected you if I chose to. Unfortunately I made a risky move and chose to protect Rean, the DT, over you. Had I saved you we could have continued this strategy for most of the game to increase towns chances of winning. I knew you were going to be a target and you kinda outted Rean in the process, who I felt would be more worthwhile to keep around.

The townies who outted me should consider using more discrete forms of protection. After the night there were no odd kills you should have assumed I protected Rean and didn't need to ask. I wasn't going to respond but with the fickle voting patterns of the town I figured claiming my target would get me removed from peoples scum lists.

Tip for Rean: After I protected and claimed that I targeted you, it should have been obvious that I was not only protown, but I was also going to die the following night. You should have used your last DT check on another player who was escaping the action, but still thought to be scummy by the town: Karshe, Cztha, Gmarshal. [Not that it made a difference, but your last check would be more fulfilling ]
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