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Just because you call them "legitimate accusations" doesn´t mean they are such.
Also what difference is there really between lynching SK or Scum? To me, there is none, since we need to eviscerate both.
What I fear is that Bum´s roleclaim is fake(since nobody confirmed creating his role) and that his actual role is much more powerful. And since we appear to not have aimable roleblock, I still fear what his role might do.
The reason why Scum are supposed to be priority lynch candidates is because of collaboration.
I don´t know about you, but I don´t think that collaboration with Mr.Wiggles gives you superpowers.
Being the Nemesis of Batman however sounds likelier.
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Aw palmer's gonna use his imba shot on me? Reconsider that one bro!
I'm decided not to tell you who I'm gonna shoot, because there is no way I'm getting through this next cycle.
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On June 06 2011 03:00 bumatlarge wrote:
Aw palmer's gonna use his imba shot on me? Reconsider that one bro!
I'm decided not to tell you who I'm gonna shoot, because there is no way I'm getting through this next cycle.
You're going to shoot either Jackal or DropBear.
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Jackal is my homie bro, I'd probably focus on someone that looks like a protective role. You know who you are 
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On June 06 2011 03:18 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 03:03 Kurumi wrote:On June 06 2011 03:00 bumatlarge wrote:
Aw palmer's gonna use his imba shot on me? Reconsider that one bro!
I'm decided not to tell you who I'm gonna shoot, because there is no way I'm getting through this next cycle. You're going to shoot either Jackal or DropBear. You got a gun. You shoot me. Bitch. 
Yeah You were my first target.
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sorry for going awol. been a busy weekend
gonna read though the thread and get caught up. most likely wont say anything till after the day post(Im at work). but I will be more active in the coming days.
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They are most definitely legitimate accusations
On May 31 2011 17:21 Mataza wrote:
In another instance, I reread kitaman27, chaos13, meapak, varpulis and cthsazsa.
None of them scream red to me after rereading.
Varpulis has been a bit erratic since before the game..
ok Varpulis isnt scum guys trust me.
On June 01 2011 08:17 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote:On June 01 2011 07:35 Mataza wrote:
tl;du:
Your plan prevents something from happening that won´t happen unless your plan was done already.
You say w/out your plan mafia can claim any role they want. But they can´t unless they somehow find out who created their roles. And right now your plan reveals exactly that. We are done discussing a plan that will not be put into place. Both sides have been pretty clearly laid out. Instead answer these questions. 1.) If you were a vigilante who would you shoot tonight 2.) if you were a kingmaker who would you make king tomorrow 3.) what is your favorite colour 4.) Of all the players with more than ten posts in the game at the moment, which seem the scummiest? Since its directed at me: 1) I wouldn´t shoot. If I was compulsive, I´d shoot cthsazsa. Few posts, even less content. 2) This is hard to say. Dropbear over Cobbler. 3) This is not a dating show 4) Right now, redff. Before that, Palmar. If I could include more(seem means plural) Varpulis, Chaos13 and Kitaman 27 too.
OHSHIT RED CALLED ME OUT ON SOFT-Defending VARPULIS, better distance myself quick!!!!
Some more
On June 03 2011 05:44 Mataza wrote:
Just in case I die tonight:
Compare Palmar this game to Palmar in SNM2 where he was scum. His current playstyle reminds me a lot of that, including conditional voting. So conditional voting is scummy.k makes sense
OWAIT
On June 01 2011 08:07 Mataza wrote:
I assume this to be a lie until Amber barks personally.
##vote redff
Add this to these 2 posts he made earlier
On May 31 2011 21:44 Mataza wrote:
No problem. I don´t vote yet, because I don´t intend to vote more than once.
I looked into 5 people who gave me a strange gut feeling, and only kitaman actually kept giving me that after rereading.
Its a pretty weak case, and I consider his role and his meta behaviour to be possible explanations. I can´t truly judge his meta behaviour, but his responses are unsatisfactory so far.
That´s all there is to it from my side.
On May 31 2011 22:28 Mataza wrote:
Well Jackal, because an opinion is a fickle thing.
Every little thing you read influences it. It may change several times a day.
A vote, on the other hand, is a big commitment to me. It is my sign of dedication towards my opinion. It won´t move that easily, and therefore placing my vote should have a greater impact. And you can see that his voting pattern does not match how important he thinks a vote is. His vote for me was fickle as fuck. We can see 2 huge contradictions.
1. Him thinking Varpulis is town, me calling him out, him then saying Varpulis could be scummy.
2. Him saying voting is a big thing and should not be done lightly yada-yada and then voting me for a stupid reason and calling Palmar scummy for conditional voting WHEN HE DID IT HIMSELF.
On June 03 2011 08:12 Mataza wrote:
What? Why vote wiggles?
Bum even claimed to not be town. Wiggles has 1 shot left, so he is not as dangerous as bum to keep around.
Also Bum claimed roleblock, Kurumi claimed roleblock too. Both say they are SK. Kurumi says he still could shoot. 1 of them is lying.
Bum is Joker, so I would call it possible that he can people into Harvey "TwoFace" Dent and redirect killpower as his actual role ability.
It actually fits together.
This is a way better explanation why Sinani still lives then a roleblock on a SK blocking his alignment killpower:
Bum redirected a kill on Sinani. Probably to someone random. He claims roleblock to explain why Sinani still lives.
Kurumi is actually SK and a gamethrower.
Wiggles has claimed with full role, confirmed by hero and has only 1 shot left.
To think we have Bum under control is dumb. We have no role to control his night actions and a roleblock claim is a direct contradiction to his "fellow" SK. He is more likely to be the supposed scum Mastermind.
##vote Bumatlarge
*cross finger that Sandwich came too late* lololololololololol not wanting to lynch his confirmed scum buddy...the reasoning for not voting wiggles is awful. THis is the most incriminating post in the whole game imo. He defended Wiggles when the DAY POST SAID HE WAS SCUM.
Some tidbits
On June 02 2011 03:50 Mataza wrote:
cba to read now, I just want to announce I strongly consider voting tnkted just to confirm his invulnerability claim. Hey guys lets waste a lynch! :D I called him out on this and he didn't mention it again.
On June 03 2011 07:17 Mataza wrote:Kurumi use your brain. Cobbler stated that it was all he was allowed to post. So decon prolly forbade him to say "dayvig sinani so I can live" Btw I´m cool with turning the Black Motherfucker back into vanilla. KP and misinformation are antitown in itself. Town wants detective type roles. We have 1 unclaimed kp this night. That means if all the shooters tonight are town and they just did not FUCKING SHOOT SEMIRANDOMLY, we would have only lost 2 guys. Instead we lost 6(Thats a fifth of all our players). If we go by lynching instead of vigishooting we get more nights for role and alignment checks. So for fucks sake don´t shoot people who are unconfirmed. Also, please claim out killpower roles. We have 1 unconfirmed shooting, chances are that the unclaimed shot was done by scum. + Show Spoiler +Redff, last game I answered to every little question asked to me. It cluttered up the thread. Also, I don´t feel any pressure, so you are doing it wrong. If you want to know my every little thought, vote me and ask via pm. People will be annoyed if I write even more
Btw I´m cool with turning the Black Motherfucker back into vanilla. Erm, he was scum, we wanted to lynch him not turn him into a goon... More defending Wiggles
Also, please claim out killpower roles YO EVERY TOWNIE WITH KP CLAIM SO WE CAN BLOCK/SHOOT YOUR ASS
If you want to know my every little thought, vote me and ask via pm. YO DAWG WASTE UR MASON POWER ON ME
Now will you reply to me?
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On June 06 2011 03:23 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 03:18 Jackal58 wrote:On June 06 2011 03:03 Kurumi wrote:On June 06 2011 03:00 bumatlarge wrote:
Aw palmer's gonna use his imba shot on me? Reconsider that one bro!
I'm decided not to tell you who I'm gonna shoot, because there is no way I'm getting through this next cycle. You're going to shoot either Jackal or DropBear. You got a gun. You shoot me. Bitch. Yeah You were my first target.
There's a reason why we don't give monkeys guns. 
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On June 06 2011 03:32 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 03:23 Kurumi wrote:On June 06 2011 03:18 Jackal58 wrote:On June 06 2011 03:03 Kurumi wrote:On June 06 2011 03:00 bumatlarge wrote:
Aw palmer's gonna use his imba shot on me? Reconsider that one bro!
I'm decided not to tell you who I'm gonna shoot, because there is no way I'm getting through this next cycle. You're going to shoot either Jackal or DropBear. You got a gun. You shoot me. Bitch. Yeah You were my first target. There's a reason why we don't give monkeys guns.
I am not town nor scum,so what's Your problem?
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redFF does have a valid point, it's very ignorant and odd that you were trying to defend an obvious scum and get us to lynch bum instead. 
Why were you trying to save a scumster, Mataza?
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On June 06 2011 03:40 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 03:32 Jackal58 wrote:On June 06 2011 03:23 Kurumi wrote:On June 06 2011 03:18 Jackal58 wrote:On June 06 2011 03:03 Kurumi wrote:On June 06 2011 03:00 bumatlarge wrote:
Aw palmer's gonna use his imba shot on me? Reconsider that one bro!
I'm decided not to tell you who I'm gonna shoot, because there is no way I'm getting through this next cycle. You're going to shoot either Jackal or DropBear. You got a gun. You shoot me. Bitch. Yeah You were my first target. There's a reason why we don't give monkeys guns. I am not town nor scum,so what's Your problem?
Apparently getting shot.
Bum, Palmar - Shoot this guy.
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On June 06 2011 04:21 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 03:40 Kurumi wrote:On June 06 2011 03:32 Jackal58 wrote:On June 06 2011 03:23 Kurumi wrote:On June 06 2011 03:18 Jackal58 wrote:On June 06 2011 03:03 Kurumi wrote:On June 06 2011 03:00 bumatlarge wrote:
Aw palmer's gonna use his imba shot on me? Reconsider that one bro!
I'm decided not to tell you who I'm gonna shoot, because there is no way I'm getting through this next cycle. You're going to shoot either Jackal or DropBear. You got a gun. You shoot me. Bitch. Yeah You were my first target. There's a reason why we don't give monkeys guns. I am not town nor scum,so what's Your problem? Apparently getting shot. Bum, Palmar - Shoot this guy.
I am not shooting You,Your emotes make me laugh,that's good enough for me.
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EDWOP:
I will claim after the deadline.
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GM sacrifice Kurumi, vigs shoot Mataza. Simples ^.^
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Yea that would be fine with me also red. Vigs shouldn't shoot bum we can lynch him today incase he is bulletproof.
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That false claim was certainly worth it <3
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NICE USE OF CAPS LOCK.
Varpulis issue:
I´ve said this quite a few times already, but you don´t seem to be satisfied ever.
I said Varpulis was erratic since before the game. This was an observation, no judgment.
Also what you didn´t catch onto was that I called Cthsazsa suspect because of shortness of posts and said chaos13 looks legit.
Then later on the list you quoted also, I say chaos13 is suspect and I don´t mention Cthaszsa.
On May 31 2011 17:21 Mataza wrote:
In another instance, I reread kitaman27, chaos13, meapak, varpulis and cthsazsa.
Varpulis has been a bit erratic since before the game.
cthsazsa has been extremely short in posting. Nothing much to work with, other than added unusefulness.
chaos13 seems rather legit. Other than asking why Karshe paid attention to his list, talking about the only person on the list he knows, there has been nothing odd.
On June 01 2011 08:17 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote:On June 01 2011 07:35 Mataza wrote:
tl;du:
Your plan prevents something from happening that won´t happen unless your plan was done already.
You say w/out your plan mafia can claim any role they want. But they can´t unless they somehow find out who created their roles. And right now your plan reveals exactly that. We are done discussing a plan that will not be put into place. Both sides have been pretty clearly laid out. Instead answer these questions. 1.) If you were a vigilante who would you shoot tonight 2.) if you were a kingmaker who would you make king tomorrow 3.) what is your favorite colour 4.) Of all the players with more than ten posts in the game at the moment, which seem the scummiest? Since its directed at me: 1) I wouldn´t shoot. If I was compulsive, I´d shoot cthsazsa. Few posts, even less content. 2) This is hard to say. Dropbear over Cobbler. 3) This is not a dating show 4) Right now, redff. Before that, Palmar. If I could include more(seem means plural) Varpulis, Chaos13 and Kitaman 27 too.
You just picked something to make a case from it. If you call it a defense when I call someone erratic, then I defend redff hardcore all the time you ever .
Palmar and conditional voting:
I said that Palmar in one specific game was conditional voting and in this game too. Of course it is also considered a scumtell. It´s no 100% sure scumtell however, because how would you explain voteswitching then? Most people don´t say under what circumstances they switch vote.
What I meant, when I said that:
PTP MafiaOn June 02 2011 05:47 Palmar wrote:
Find me two votes on VisEyes and I'm coming right back.
I just don't want sandroba or tack hanging, VisEyes and tnkted are good for me. And SNMM2On May 18 2011 02:23 Palmar wrote:
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Actually, here's a promise for you, if everyone comes into the thread, contributes and makes good analysis of the situation, I will switch my vote to GiygaS and help you get him lynched.
You actually made me go there find this rather small piece of evidence.
In my case against you, I was baffled by the content of the list itself and the fact that Amber wasn´t there for about 12 hours or so to write anything.
My assumption was that maybe your role stops the targeted person(Amber) to talk for the rest of the day.
Also your defense to that accusation was that your memory of the last 3 hours is hazy.On June 01 2011 08:48 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 08:39 Mataza wrote:
Also there is the logistics part of this list. Amber has last posted around 1:00 Teamliquid time.
That´s 7 hours ago.
I know you were online at least 5 hours ago in irc and also continuously from 2 hours ago to about 1 hour ago. As from time of this post, you posted the list about 1 hour ago.
Either Amber just came online just a bit before you posted the list, or the list should have been in you pm box for several hours, during which you were online and did not post it. sigh..Do i really have to explain this to you. My memory is foggy and i really can't be bothered to convert korean times to eastern but ill try to explain. Last night I pm'd amber with a list of players and asked him to quote the list and wiggle his tail for town and grr for scum. He then quoted a post by gm about zodiac lists, bolded the zodiac list part and then bolded a bunch of player lists. I checked my pm's early this morning before I went out and saw what he did. I got home at like 4:30 today and went on irc, so i've been on irc for about 3 and a half hours...(its 8 now) I pm'd amber for confirmation that he wanted me to post his zodiac list and he wiggled his tail, so i did...Please stop lol. I still think this is a ridiculous defense, but I accept it, because I think you are just that type of person. Also Amber came back.
I already stated these reasons at least once, but you asked for the long version.
Lynching Bum over Wiggles:
As I´ve stated before I fear Bum.
As you all should be aware but at least a couple or so aren´t:
We know Jackshit about what roles are in the game.
For all we know Sinani could in reality be an "NRA member" role.
Fact however is, the creator of his role confirmed that his role is what he states.
Read again and think about what that means. I´m not explaining everything in detail.
Now, at the begin of day2 we knew that Kurumi and Bum claim SK, and that there is a check revealing Wiggles as scum in the daypost.
I hope you don´t need quotes for these.
Now we have 2 SK´s claiming to be roleblocked, and 1 SK says he could still shoot(Kurumi), the other claims he couldn´t(Bum).
The fact is that these 2 SKs revealed themselves voluntarily. Why would you do that?
- 1: You don´t want to play anymore
- 2: You think you will live longer when you claim SK
Then these people have claimed their roles too. Wiggles claimed Jules Winnfield and his claim was confirmed by, I think it was Hiro Protagonist.
Kurumi´s and Bum´s roles weren´t confirmed however. Bum claimed out a role which included killpower and some sort of protection from bullets, about which he doesn´t know the details.
Now putting all of this together in the right order we get this:
- Wiggles has a positive scumcheck on him.
Kurumi has claimed SK.
Bum has claimed SK, as he is the revealed Archnemesis of Batman, the Joker.
- Kurumi was roleblocked, but could shoot since his KP is from his alignment, SK.
Bum was roleblocked, and couldn´t shoot. His KP comes from his role, not his alignment. He claims to be hinest to town, but doesn´t know the details about his role.
He is almost sure scum, too.
Now just looking at these few facts we can deduce that:
Bum is either Scum or SK,
Kurumi is SK who gave up the game and
Wiggles is Scum unless a frickin catastrophe happened at night.
Since we know Jackshit about the roles in this game(we don´t even know half the roles that are in game, maybe less than a quarter of all living roles, I am quite ready to believe that there is a chance for miracles to happen. Like 1 person roleblocking half the town.
Now if you had to choose, would you choose to play against:
Bumatlarge as Scum with a not confirmed role
Mr.Wiggles with a confirmed role
I chose Mr.Wiggles. To me, both are scum, but I know that Wiggles isn´t a mad hatter who kills half the town if he is shot at night. Bum on the other hand might as well have this as part of his role.
Tidbits:
Of the 4 candidates for day1 lynch, everyone was innocent. No one was actually scum.
Of course Tnkted wasn´t checked yet, as he wasn´t visited night 1.
So yeah, of all the people who were so obvious scum day1 the one guy I voted lives and is unconfirmed. Clearly, I should have voted someone else.
The claim plan was based around the fact that the role creator could claim what he created. That doesn´t tell anyone who has which role. I also added "The less specific such a claim, the better" but this of course wasn´t scummy, so you just didn´t mention it.
Because I didn´t want to write half a book, I said you should PM me all this stuff. Don´t you think this is cluttering up the thread?
tl;dr
Go back and read. Short version was my last 50 or so posts.
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Yeah, sorry, been weekending, my role is passive so its not much I can do at night else than trying to keep up with all the fuzz going on
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@Cthsazsa
I did claim - and nobody actually confirmed it, which makes me think that the one who created my role probably is scum - since i guess a townie would do that to either falsify or confirm my role. A scum on the other hand could make me look bad by leaving my role to be uncertain about.
my role is passive tho - i cant target anyone, nor actually do anything... I would also really like to know what the rolecreater wanted out of this role - especially since i cant even target anyone!
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