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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 02 2011 23:31 GMT
#1529
No, but I believe in Framers. Call me paranoid.
I cannot see proof of how the reveal of the possessed is impeccable.
We know exactly what he can do.
We DO NOT KNOW what the Joker can do.

SK means he can kill by alignment. We don´t know what he can with role power. Just being Batmans enemy is not an awesome power.
Batman was a goddamn superdoc. So guess how strong the power of the joker is? Being Vanilla SK doesn´t even compare the slightest.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 02 2011 23:39 GMT
#1537
EBWOP
Also, Nodes' Last Will was to lynch Bum.
Why exactly lynch scum first and SK afterwards? It doesn´t matter to reduce scum before SK, since Scum kp is fixed at 1.

Plus Bum has shown we do not have him under control. He actually has 2 evil powers, one of which we don´t even know. How can you not get rid of him ASAP?
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 02 2011 23:56 GMT
#1545
Nobody can confirm the Jokers roleclaim.
Seriously, why does anyone believe a selfproclaimed SK?

His own roleclaim states he is forced to do stuff, then forced to do more stuff, unable to fight back against Batman and he is night kill immune.
I would even say this is worse then my own role. And trust me, its not fantastic.
Mine is a standard role only twisted to be worse.

This cannot possibly be actually his true role power.


I will go to bed after saying this:
We have 3 confirmed Anti town players: Bum, Kurumi and Mr.Wiggles.
Bums role is probably predetermined like Batman. No one can confirm it.
Kurumi has a not yet confirmed role.
Mr Wiggles role was confirmed by Hiro Protagonist.

Now, Serial Killers can kill and then still use their role powers.
Wiggles can kill via role power.

I am not saying Wiggles is innocent,
I am saying Bum and Kurumi are about TWICE as dangerous as Wiggles.

Think about it. The day goes on for about 44 more hours.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 03 2011 06:50 GMT
#1586
Talking about what Cobbler said after death is inconclusive. Normally he wouldn´t be allowed to talk after death anyway, so chances are he didn´t do it out of his own.


Now just one little thing I wan to add regarding kills and lynches.
We have 3 bulletproof anti town people.
Bum and Kurumi who claim to be SK and Wiggles, who was revealed as scum.

Of the 3, only Kurumi can be killed normally in 1 night. He is SK, therefore he should be done with 2kp. I know a certain brofistdeathraydispenser who is not roleblockable and has 2 kp. So yeah, after 12 fistpounds Palmar should kill Kurumi.

Wiggles and Bum are invulnerable at night. If I recall correctly, Bums role cannot be verified by someone in the game.
There should also be reasonable doubt that Bum is in fact part of Scum. People here like to think both sides need experienced players for an even game.
Now given a Joker and a Goddamn Batman, these people being Bloodcobbler and Bumatlarge, if they were town and scum, it would be pretty even., doesn´t it?

Now if I could decide, I would say we lynch both Wiggles and Bum tonight.
Yes, Wiggles can kill and had check that revealed him as scum. He needs to die.
But Bum is Serial Killer, he even said so himself. If someone(I don´t remember who said it) interpreted the joker role right, he can shoot with his role power and with the fact he is serial killer. So he would have 2 kills per night.


Now think about the possibilities what Bum could exactly be:
1) He says the truth and he is SK whos killpower is part of his role and has no alignment kp.
2) He lies and he is Scum with killpower in his role.
3) He lies and he is SK with a rolepower we do know nothing about.

Think about these possibilities.
Every single option is bad obviously, but the only reason to assume the least dangerous is true is to believe a confirmed anti town player.
(If we have the maker of the joker role in the audience, please speak up.)

I for myself do not believe one word Bum said so far. He is experienced, he knows we can´t force him to tell the truth.
Also from what I heard, I fear Bum as Scum Mastermind far more than Wiggles as Scum Mastermind.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 03 2011 07:18 GMT
#1589
Dude, Bum is KILL IMMUNE AT NIGHT. Did you not get that?
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 03 2011 19:14 GMT
#1655
Dropbear, little correction.
If I understood correctly, Kurumi´s alleged role tells him how many kp are possible.
The who killed who could have done by anybody really.
Varp was Palmar one and only target the entirety of day1, Node claimed, and Kuru claimed Sandro himself. What´s left has to be be the mafia hit. So no big revelation really.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 03 2011 19:20 GMT
#1656
Also Kurumi, with no "lynch me" role in the game claiming SK can only be called forfeiting. There is no reason for town to claim sk.
The only reason really to claim SK is when you are scum.
Somehow people think you are less dangerous when you are "just SK".

So yes, you are confirmed as anti town.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 03 2011 21:44 GMT
#1681
Actually, as I proclaimed earlier, I would say its around 4-5 Neutrals and 7-8 scum.
The Scumteam kp is fixed on 1.
I don´t know how often this was said and I cannot believe how some people are still not aware of this.

In a 33 Player game with 1 scumteam kp you need a lot of opposition, simply because Scum can mostly kill via rolepowers(so any killpower people are more likely to be scum then others).


But here is something new for you to think about:
  • There are most probably 3-4 assassins, since 2 would be kinda stupid and 1 assassin is impossible.
  • Since the setup is really hard for mafia I wouldn´t be surprised to have more moles then usual(more than 2).
  • I am quite sure we have few or no protection roles in the game as last nights hit were all pretty obvious(aside from deskscaress).
    + Show Spoiler +
    • Node was the most pro town player ever.
    • Prplhz was Nodes doing.
    • Sandro was a mainsuspect earlier.
    • Varpulis was Palmars hit.
    Maybe we still have roles with limited amount of saves, or some prerequisites for saving, but in general probably not many.
    Or of course Dumbasses have those roles(hope not).
  • Because of limited role overlap we are likely to have not many good information type roles(basically the only stuff you want are alignment and rolecheckers and there won´t be overlap). Survival, killing, misinformation and night action manipulation are whats left. If we have less information roles, misinformation would be less dangerous to us. Instead we should fear stuff like bullet redirectors more.


Because of the last point I propose that every town player who made a role that can kill, frame or do evil shit(like a bus driver) should claim that he made such a role.
Only that there is a role. Knowing role creators but not who they created the role for is harmless.

For example, I have created an information role.
With that alone you can´t do any shenanigans.


(Ps: In my proposal I wouldn´t need to claim an info role, only killpower and other shenanigan roles. This is just an example)
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 03 2011 21:46 GMT
#1682
First part is in reference to
On May 28 2011 04:49 deconduo wrote:

There are:
12 - 20 Townies Remaining
4 - 8 Mafia Remaining
1 - 5 3rd Party Remaining

If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 03 2011 21:49 GMT
#1683
Also my proposal is because some people simply decided that there is no framing role in the entire game.
I think such an assumption is naive and to spread it is outright anti town.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 04 2011 09:24 GMT
#1703
Nope.
Even though I´d like to use Sinani´s role power, I do doubt that it will work this night. People were supposed to do it last night, too. Do not tell exactly who you shoot, as I fear shenanigans.
We should have at least 3 good targets, so pick at random among them or do they pro town thing and do not shoot at all.
Scum has no bullets of its own, after all.

Choose by yourself and do not tell anyone.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 04 2011 14:23 GMT
#1710
That was hard to read.
For one moment I thought you were in favor of shooting Sinani. You could use a bit more spacing between all those goddamn smilies.

Would be nice to hear some more from Sinani though. It seems to me he is only stalling until BC comes back, which is really bad play. You should play the game too...
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 04 2011 14:57 GMT
#1714
Poetry Day Vig?
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 04 2011 15:09 GMT
#1717
Did anyone check tnkteds alignment though?
I somehow missed the moment when his behavior was deemed pro town...
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 04 2011 15:28 GMT
#1727
On June 05 2011 00:15 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2011 00:09 Mataza wrote:
Did anyone check tnkteds alignment though?
I somehow missed the moment when his behavior was deemed pro town...

Who said he was pro town?

Gmarshal did
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 04 2011 15:34 GMT
#1730
When I said obvious targets I meant Bum and Kurumi, along with Sinani who actually helps on death. Between 3 targets, they can´t be sure on whom to use bus driving or whatever the hell skills they have.
Going out there shooting people with no evidence is definitely worse than holding back your shooting, Palmar.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 04 2011 16:15 GMT
#1737
Apparently no one, since nobody claimed creating an anti town power yet.
On June 04 2011 06:44 Mataza wrote:
I propose that every town player who made a role that can kill, frame or do evil shit(like a bus driver) should claim that he made such a role.
Only that there is a role. Knowing role creators but not who they created the role for is harmless.

For example, I have created an information role.
With that alone you can´t do any shenanigans.


(Ps: In my proposal I wouldn´t need to claim an info role, only killpower and other shenanigan roles. This is just an example)

If somebody knows a reason why this plan is bad, please share it.
Otherwise we know
  • Hiro made a killing power/roleblock role(Badass Motherfucker)
  • Some people claimed creating the roles of the dead people


Don´t say who you made the role for, or what exactly the role is. Only the bad parts of what it does.
Can it kill,
can it mess with nightactions,
can it mess with information checks.

If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 04 2011 16:16 GMT
#1738
My first sentence was a reply to Kenpachi
theres a role that deflects KP and we dont know who has it.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 04 2011 16:18 GMT
#1739
Also the less specific sucha claim, the better. If there is a condition(like posting restriction), just say there is condition, not what exactly the condition is.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 05 2011 10:52 GMT
#1893
So awesome that redff blindly claimed his role so everyone can deduce that his "secret infos" come from the people he interrogates. -.-


About Torte´s role:
Can at least someone tell us how many people were roleblocked night 1?
I assumed that this game is an easy cruise to the win for town just because of the limitedness of the kp. If half the town got roleblocked this assumption is useless.
The result *could* be that this game may look more like a saloon gunfight then a game of mafia.

Let´s hope we lose less people then yesterday at least.
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