Pick Their Power Mafia - Page 2

On May 31 2011 11:09 chaos13 wrote:


Certainly.

To begin with is this post:


A mason role isn't useful to scum or third party. It is extremely useful to town.



This post has some serious issues with me.
1. Dumb roleclaim. It doesn't help us at all - he could have just used his power and then said "k guys I don't think we need to worry about Amber for these reasons ____ without actually having to claim his role.
2.
How the hell does he know this? The only way is if he is on a mafia team and they are allowed to share their roles with each other. For all he knows vote-mason could be the best role in the entire game.


And then "I know how I can be useful - I'll use my role!"

No, really? Brilliant.



The rest of his posts have not contained anything overly helpful, and I know from playing on UG with him and observing his games that he is a better player than he is being right now, and that as scum he tends to do stupid things with roleclaims.

On May 31 2011 11:31 chaos13 wrote:
I feel that my reasons for being suspicious of them are solid. You'll notice that I have not voted for either of them. Seeing as this is a game with no PM's, I have to do all my thinking in the thread.

On May 31 2011 11:59 chaos13 wrote:
I think that would be a good idea. It will give us some focus.
The five I would suggest for this:
tnkted - has not been acting entirely pro-town. I definitely want some more input here.
Sandroba - I'm still not comfortable with his plan in the beginning.
Mataza - Reacted to very light (joking) suspicion at the beginning and was quickly defended (weakly, although lightly) by GMarshal and Palmar
Karshe - has posted and clearly read the thread, but has not contributed. Lurker.
redFF - reasons already stated

What does everyone think of this?

On May 31 2011 12:02 chaos13 wrote:
Fair enough, let's throw a sixth player on. If nobody has any huge objections to this, I think these players will be a good start.

On May 31 2011 12:11 chaos13 wrote:


The idea is to take 5 or 6 possible suspects and focus on them so we don't get distracted by the multitude of potential scum. This way we can all coordinate and actually get something done. I looked for lurkers and picked one of them. It happened to be Karshe, but it could have been any of a number of them.

On May 31 2011 22:05 chaos13 wrote:
I don't feel that either varpulis or kitaman27 are particularly scummy. I think they have definitely made some bad moves as town, but I don't believe they are scum either. Between the two of them, varpulis is more likely to be scum. tnkted is confusing, but that is probably just something to do with his role. How else could he get away with voting someone who isn't actually in the game?


???


The person I would be most comfortable voting for right now is Tackster, because of his lurking and apparent reluctance to contribute. I'm getting a really bad feeling about him, and it's backed up by his posting.

On May 31 2011 12:52 chaos13 wrote:
BC is right. You were obviously caught up in the thread, because you were reading the latest posts. If you were catching up, you'd be halfway through. You were called out for lurking and showed up almost immediately after.

On May 31 2011 13:03 chaos13 wrote:
I don't see where I asked Karshe his thoughts on Mataza. Mataza was on the list I created, as was Karshe. Perhaps he misinterpreted this.
Karshe actually did read that his name was there though - he directly said

He then went on to state his thoughts on Mataza, but none of the other players on the list with him (me, tnkted, varpulis, redFF).

On May 31 2011 22:19 chaos13 wrote:
GMarshal, please grace us with your thoughts on varpulis and kitaman27. Do you think they are both scum, just one of them, or none? Why? Between the two, who appears to be more scummy, and why?





While you're at it, why don't you tell me why you have consistently harassed people to start contributing without doing so yourself? Also why you mentioned a few times why zodiac lists and the type were useless without reasoning behind the names when you haven't actually given your own thoughts on anyone at all so far.

This is your biggest piece of analysis so far:

Your posting stance is noncommittal. Your vote commits a lot. What's going on here?

The first few questions I asked on varpulis and kita will be a perfect opportunity to start contributing some more btw. Don't forget to answer them.

On May 31 2011 09:46 Jackal58 wrote:

I'm well aware of that. I have already stated that I will be taking all role claims with a giant grain of salt. It is also rare for 2 scum to so directly connect to each other. I'm more concerned with your apparent willingness to lynch Amber simply because he speaks dog. I like dogs.

On May 31 2011 11:08 Jackal58 wrote:

Thanks. It's sorted.
Chaos13 is a pretty sharp cookie. He doesn't make very many harmless oversights. He's worth keeping an eye on.

On May 31 2011 11:28 Jackal58 wrote:
So first Chaos13 is telling us it's probably a good idea to get rid of an apparent dt role. Now he wants us to kill an apparent mason role.

On May 31 2011 12:12 Jackal58 wrote:

I think you're scum.

On May 31 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote:

Lol. I'm not tunneling Chaos. I just wanted everybody to be aware that the two people he fosfed both appear to possess roles scum would not want to have in the game.
When I tunnel somebody you and everybody else will know it.

And thanks Node. I didn't see the post from Decon regarding scum kp.

On May 31 2011 22:20 Jackal58 wrote:

Why? Voting is a tool. It serves more than one purpose.

On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote:
Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch.

On May 31 2011 05:45 sandroba wrote:


That's simple to solve. Town should NOT fake role claim. Period. You either not claim or claim your role right.

For how this plan helps town: After a couple kills/lynches we won't be able to keep track of who knows which players role. If we have a day1 list there's no room for people fake confirming / lying about someone else's role after some time has passed in the thread an no one claimed to know it.
We can also take role claims that cannot be confirmed (perso is dead) with a grain of salt.

On May 31 2011 05:54 sandroba wrote:
Alright every one seems to dislike the first part of my plan, but no one has commented on policy so far. The first part which we claim what player got our role is just to make policy easier.

Either way I say we policy lynch ANYONE who lies about their role. Town has very little reason to lie about their role while mafia has a lot of reasons.
What are you guys' opinions about this?

On May 31 2011 05:59 sandroba wrote:
EBWODP: That should have read we policy lynch ANYONE who claims without valuable information or lies about their role.

On May 31 2011 06:35 sandroba wrote:
Alright, as much as I am intrigued by Amber's dog role, that's not leading us nowhere near finding scum. Maybe the person who gave Amber this role will have some info for us down the line.

I think we should focus on putting up BC's list and giving your opinion about policy lynches and LAL. Make your posts concise because this thread is quickly turning into a spam fest.

On June 03 2011 08:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote:


I'm not confirmed, stop throwing that word around, it's stupid. Scum like to use that word, to hide behind checks, but let me tell you this. The only time you're confirmed, is when you die and flip. There is no other thing that is confirmed.

On June 03 2011 09:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:


Firstly, it's not mod confirmed, I don't get where people got that idea from. It just means the results are what actually came back, not that they're correct about my alignment.

I'd also like to see you post more, and with actual substance. You've done basically nothing this game, and it's starting to become pretty suspicious. If you're town, you're not doing a very good job of helping.

On June 03 2011 07:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:


How am I confirmed scum? You're going to lynch another green because you don't give things thought and just blindly tunnel. I don't get how no one else is looking at this, and just accepting it blindly as true. That's what scum love to do, hide behind wrong DT checks and ride with easy lynches. Another day wasted.

On June 03 2011 15:19 Mr. Wiggles wrote:


Did you not read what I wrote? This isn't a scum master plan. All hits on sinani were redirected to desks, to stop all hits on him, like a bus driver, in order to stop anyone shooting him and reviving BC. This way, no matter how many people shot sinani, no one would hit him. This wasn't an ability that was used on me, it was an ability used on sinani, so if there was a watcher on desks, or even on sinani, now would be a good time to say something if you have relevant information. A frame on me, is completely irrelevant to hits on sinani being redirected to desks. The two things were two different actions, on two different people, that just happened to line up and cause this chaos.

Mafia didn't need to know my role. They didn't need to know desk's role. All they needed to believe was that shooting sinani would bring back BC, and that they didn't want that to happen.

Also, lynching sinani, seems like a bad idea, don't even bring it up. He's claimed his ability only works on being shot, and so did his role creator. I'm thinking there might a scum with a role that lets him post through dead people, and that explains BC. I discussed a similar idea for a role with some people before the game, so it's not too far fetched. I still wouldn't risk lynching sinani regardless of why BC posted, when anyone who knows anything about the role denies lynching lets him revive people.

On June 03 2011 16:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:


Bum claimed complete invulnerability, Kurumi claimed SK. SK can survive two night hits. You can't shoot him to death, you have to lynch him.

So no, I'm not the clear lynch here. I am not "confirmed" scum, there is no such thing as confirmation, until you flip, I'll say it again. Bum and Sandroba have claimed to be anti-town. There is absolutely no reason that town would claim anti-town. So, you're going to lynch me, who is town, over two as close to confirmed as can be anti-town players?

Personally, I believe that Bum is mafia, not SK, and that he can be shot at night. I'll be willing to use my second shot tonight, on Bum, to call his bluff.

Kurumi, I believe him when he says he's the Serial Killer. This means, we can't kill him at night, and that he needs to be lynched.

So here's what I see in the thread:

You want to lynch me, when I'm nowhere near confirmed anti-town, and keep both Kurumi and Bum alive. They are both anti-town, they've claimed so. You're worried about me using a kill tonight, when both Bum and Kurumi should have a kill tonight as an SK.

I say:

[*]We lynch Kurumi today, to lower night KP
[*]I shoot Bum tonight
[*]If he's still alive, we lynch him
[*]If he dies, you can do whatever you want with me

Put down your torches and pitchforks, and look at this logically. There's two people, who are both 100% not town, and you want to keep them around. That doesn't make sense.

On June 03 2011 16:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:


I believe Bum is lying, because of how it came out, and also because I don't think kurumi would be dumb enough to claim SK for no reason when there wasn't suspicion on him if he was scum. There's no guarantee that Kurumi is going to do anything to help town, and I highly doubt he will. He's impossible to read, and very erratic. He's already killed a town player, and he'll continue to do so in the future. Even if he agreed to work with town, I don't think we're organized enough to actually give him a good target, and we'll continue to spill green blood. Remove the temptation and the potential now to spare ourselves further suffering down the road. That's my line of thought. It also lets us continue business more quickly, instead of having to waste a lynch on an SK when there's fewer people.

On June 03 2011 07:17 Mataza wrote:
Kurumi use your brain.
Cobbler stated that it was all he was allowed to post.
So decon prolly forbade him to say "dayvig sinani so I can live"

Btw I´m cool with turning the Black Motherfucker back into vanilla.
KP and misinformation are antitown in itself. Town wants detective type roles.
We have 1 unclaimed kp this night. That means if all the shooters tonight are town and they just did not FUCKING SHOOT SEMIRANDOMLY, we would have only lost 2 guys. Instead we lost 6(Thats a fifth of all our players).

If we go by lynching instead of vigishooting we get more nights for role and alignment checks. So for fucks sake don´t shoot people who are unconfirmed.

Also, please claim out killpower roles. We have 1 unconfirmed shooting, chances are that the unclaimed shot was done by scum.

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 03 2011 15:50 Mataza wrote:
Talking about what Cobbler said after death is inconclusive. Normally he wouldn´t be allowed to talk after death anyway, so chances are he didn´t do it out of his own.


Now just one little thing I wan to add regarding kills and lynches.
We have 3 bulletproof anti town people.
Bum and Kurumi who claim to be SK and Wiggles, who was revealed as scum.

Of the 3, only Kurumi can be killed normally in 1 night. He is SK, therefore he should be done with 2kp. I know a certain brofistdeathraydispenser who is not roleblockable and has 2 kp. So yeah, after 12 fistpounds Palmar should kill Kurumi.

Wiggles and Bum are invulnerable at night. If I recall correctly, Bums role cannot be verified by someone in the game.
There should also be reasonable doubt that Bum is in fact part of Scum. People here like to think both sides need experienced players for an even game.
Now given a Joker and a Goddamn Batman, these people being Bloodcobbler and Bumatlarge, if they were town and scum, it would be pretty even., doesn´t it?

Now if I could decide, I would say we lynch both Wiggles and Bum tonight.
Yes, Wiggles can kill and had check that revealed him as scum. He needs to die.
But Bum is Serial Killer, he even said so himself. If someone(I don´t remember who said it) interpreted the joker role right, he can shoot with his role power and with the fact he is serial killer. So he would have 2 kills per night.


Now think about the possibilities what Bum could exactly be:
1) He says the truth and he is SK whos killpower is part of his role and has no alignment kp.
2) He lies and he is Scum with killpower in his role.
3) He lies and he is SK with a rolepower we do know nothing about.

Think about these possibilities.
Every single option is bad obviously, but the only reason to assume the least dangerous is true is to believe a confirmed anti town player.
(If we have the maker of the joker role in the audience, please speak up.)

I for myself do not believe one word Bum said so far. He is experienced, he knows we can´t force him to tell the truth.
Also from what I heard, I fear Bum as Scum Mastermind far more than Wiggles as Scum Mastermind.