This one's for you Mataza and DeepBlu2
I'm sorry, but this will be very, very long. I suggest you read everything in here.
Prplhz - Well played sir, but the jig is up.
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Analysis of prplhz:
As prplhz has created a significant number of post, I will only include those I consider relevant to my analysis.
So, after quickly stating he was new, and asking some technical questions. This is the first post he voices a solid opinion.
On May 17 2011 00:35 prplhz wrote:
I kinda have to agree with Mataza, lets stop the blaming until everybody has posted once or twice. People should instead maybe just say how they're going to try to play out this first day. According to Mataza's math we need to kill a scum in the first 3 days which is a lot of time to get to know each other and I will probably be voting for those I am most unsure of, which will be those with least real content in their posts.
But really, I don't think that people should blame anybody too much after the first 10 posts 'cause there's no real basis for it.
Most of this post is just fluff. He seems to want to go for inactives at this point. He is really careful in his wording, telling us to not blame anyone. This may be a newbie mistake, but I think most of us are aware that the best way to get people to slip is to put pressure on them.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 17 2011 09:26 prplhz wrote:Sup guys Right now I am mainly suspecting Mataza, mainly because of something that Mataza said early on: Now this statement could very well be benign but it is doing two things: degrading the town to diminish people's confidence in their ability to play this game (overestimate) making them more susceptible to get influenced by someone (himself) and setting himself up as a "leader" of the town (my town). I do not know why Mataza is trying to set himself up as a leader of the town but there are two scenarios: 1. He's a scum: He wants to control people and mislead them to vote for innocent people and keep the mafia save. 2. He's a townie: He wants to control people and lead to to vote for guilty scum and keep the town save. Either way he is trying to be a "leader" of the town and this in itself is bad. A town should never have a leader and should instead have people thinking very independently forming their own opinion, this should happen through discussion and activity of course. Mataza is very savvy and probably knows that having a leader is not good for a town, so why is he trying to set himself up to be one? This is a question that everybody should ask themselves. Now stuff that might talk against this: First: Mataza is actually not pointing fingers at anybody, I think we should be very careful if he ever decides to "lead" "his town" to vote for someone. Second (as pointed out by Mataza himself): If he is trying to lead this town as a scum would lead it we would quickly find out (we would lynch innocent people). And since we can afford losing people, trading a townie (guy Mataza would want to lynch) for a scum (Mataza) is really a good deal for the town. Maybe he is setting himself and the mafia up for mid/late game? This is a question that everybody should ask themselves. Other than that I think that all the debate around Mataza is hurting the town (we are not talking about someone else). So to stop this I am going to talk about someone else: VisceraEyes and GiygaS It is very hard for me to argue against VisceraEyes and GiygaS because I am also suspicious of Mataza. This is very hard because, while these two guys have been on Mataza's back the whole time they claim that it has been for the sake of activity. This has worked alright since these three guys are arguably the most contributing players in this game right now so their claimed plans have worked out well. But why are they not directing any of this activity against each other? This is a question that everybody should ask themselves. This gets even harder to analyze because there are two of them and thus several scenarios: Two townies being suspicious of someone? Two scums targetting an innocent townie? Or maybe the hardest scenario to deal with, one of each. I'm not going to go in depth with these scenarios, I will only present my initial conclusion: If they are scum they are not thinking long term, if they are mixed they will turn on each other, if they are townies ... Well as I said, I am also suspicious of Mataza  A final note on nard (something that Mataza cleverly pointed out too, removing some of my suspicions of him): Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 02:25 nard wrote:
i can imagine there are still some people thinking about what they could include in their first post which is not completely trivial - took me a while as well :p While this might be a whole new game for everybody it should not be hard for an innocent townie to write a simple "hello" post. Maybe nard is having a hard time writing his first post because he is a scum with a hidden agenda and then he is thinking that everybody else is having a hard time too? This is a question that everybody should ask themselves.
So, this is a post where he accuses Mataza. It is quite interesting that he's jumping a bandwagon after VisEyes with GiygaS, based on some very frail reasoning. He also points a finger at nard, and thus agrees with me. He talks about how having leaders is dangerous for the town.
At this point Mataza looks like the weakest person on the board, but we now know his weakness was because he wasn't afraid to stick his neck out.
A few posts later hiro protagonist gives prplhz a pat on the back, and GiygaS claims he isn't suspicious at all. Since those three are my best guess for a mafia line-up at the moment, this looks suspicious to me. But obviously to anyone that doesn't agree with my Hiro read, it will look less suspicious.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 17 2011 21:48 prplhz wrote:Yo people I see that people have started voting now, around 16 hours before deadline. This is not good people. Unvoting is very suspucious and there is still plenty of time for people to provide material to analyze. Of course some claim to do it for the sake of discussion but I still think that this is very bad. In addition to this I do not think that any of these votes are currently well founded, they are wild accusations at best. I also think that it is bad that people have removed focus from Mataza. While he might not be scum this town has him very much under control. He is very active and has agreed to answer every question directed at him. These are very useful qualities for town to find in a player, no matter if he is scum or townie. We should have tried to use these qualities to hunt scum. I would love to have waited with this post until GiygaS next post but lets just go ahead and do some analysis. I do not think that Mataza is harmful for this town just yet. He is under control so far, I would like him to be more harmful for the Mafia though. So I ask this: @Mataza : With the information available to you now, who would you lynch if you should lynch the player you think is most likely to be Scum? So I'm going to go ahead and do something that VisceraEyes has done several time. Point fingers at some random person for the sake of discussion. And this random person is going to be VisceraEyes himself. Some reasons (so it's not entirely random who I am pointing fingers at) for this: 1. He was the first person who point fingers at others. While he might have done this for the sake of discussion, I think that mostly scum would do this early on in the game. Townies would consider how the other person might be a townie and how unfounded accusations might harm the town, even if you made it clear that they are unfounded. 2. He is often analyzing his own actions. This is something I think you would (should) mainly do when you are scum. There is nothing to fear as a townie, only thing you have to consider is how the town can benefit the most from your actions. While we would all like to survive this game I think this is done best by being honest and only analytical of the actions of potential scum. 3. He has just something I would deem crazy to do if you were a townie. He suddenly said "this guy I have been bashing all game long, maybe he's not scum so I'm just gonna vote for someone and provide very limited rationale for this". This is not only very scum-like in my eyes, it is also harmful to the town. @VisceraEyes : Do you think that it is beneficial for the town that you suddenly make a 180 in letting Mataza off the hook and go full force against stefftastiq? Another player who has struck me as harmful to the town is Palmar. He has recently used some very questionable rhetorics to defend Mataza, and while it might be good that Mataza is not lynched, questionable rhetorics are always harmful to town. But on the other hand he also appears to be a very strong player who the town can make good use of later on, so maybe it is just a question of getting him under control @Palmar : Why do you think Mataza is "innocent as a newborn baby"? Gutfeeling is not an acceptable answer Think that was it for now. I will try to vote around 4 hours before deadline. Finals notes on what I think all townies should currently be aware of: Lurking townies make it possible for scum to play lurker style too. I think everybody should get up and post some analysis, if you are a townie this is absolutely the best thing you can do. We still missing a couple of you but this is making the game very much harder for town! I would consider any of the prospective modkills (Skrammen, Wunder) showing up in the nick of time to cast crucial votes for the lynching VERY suspicious. Even if they decide to show up now I think they will be very harmful to town if they don't post a lot in a very short amount of time. It is very good to have people under control; the more they post the more we can ask questions and the more we can make ourselves sure that someone is scum/townie. We will probably have two modkills but maybe it will be beneficial to town to lynch one of the least active players, to set an example, to make the game more fun, to maybe hit a lurking scum! Oh yeah and GiygaS; my nick is "purple haze" without any vowels or spaces
This is his infamous "control" post. He suddenly tries to do a 180 from Mataza to VisEyes. Others have already analysed this post to death, so I will not spend too much time on it. It suggests some questionable methods like keeping the town in check, which really is a bad idea because you need all the creativity you can get to spot the scum.
And here's the problem. Prplhz already agreed with me on that it should be easy to make first posts, and here he calls me a strong player. This continues through-out the game, blinding me to his true intentions.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 18 2011 06:20 prplhz wrote:Maybe we cracked down too much on people trying to create drama 'cause I have to agree with Karshe that there is too little discussion going on. So I'm asking everybody (and that include you, person who is reading this now) to post who they would like to get lynched on day2 in case they themselves will get assassinated during the night. I think that I might be a target (hoping for a cute nurse to help me out though!) so this is probably quite relevant. This will be great for town, we can have you analytical skills readily available for day2 even if you get killed during the night! So let me say that I've cracked down a bit on the active people, but in the end I think I am going to vote for an inactive player because the evil you don't know is far more scary than the evil you do know! This will most likely only be for day1 though and I'm sure the scums already know that. So if they eliminate me it will be because they might be afraid that I will try to rally people to kill off someone who I think is a scum, and who is active. People who fit this description according to my posts so far are VisceraEyes and GiygaS, I said that if they turned on each other they would most likely be one scum, one good guy. So if I happen to get mafia killed on first night I think these are people you should really watch out for, but probably only one of them is scum! So what about you people, if you had to write a testament to the town today, what would it say? And by the way, I am going to write a vote post in around an hour, so it will be up before two hours. ((OOC: Oh and Palmar, no hard feelings about the "idiot" thing  ))
This is his first post that is really incriminating. I did not suspect prplhz at the point so I wanted to harshly call him out for his nurse call, which was... well... either really stupid or a scumtell. I stupidly ignored a very strong VisEyes analysis on prplhz at this point, because I felt it was too frail. Now I realize prplhz was already playing me on flattery.
link to VisEyes's post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9313612 <-- everyone should read this.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 18 2011 07:35 prplhz wrote:Yea I'm gonna go ahead and vote now. ##Vote Skrammen Reason for this is that he just comes in 8 hours before day1 ends, casts and vote with 2 paragraphs of resonable and does not respond to our pleas that he post some more content. I am going to be honest with you and say that maybe he's not the one who is most likely to be scum but I think he's the most harmful for the town right now. If I should have voted for most likely to be scum I would vote for VisceraEyes for reasons I have already stated. Also his latest post is not really convincing me of anything else either. To answer the post VisceraEyes just made, the one that was mainly about me; No I don't control anybody Other than that I can't seem to find anything in your post I should need to comment on because mostly you're just saying that you disagree with what I said.
Here is his Skrammen vote. After all he just went for an easy target, but the mafia must've realized later what weak position they'd have been in if the three of them all voted for Skrammen and got him lynched.
He's very careful and doesn't full-out accuse VisEyes.
On May 18 2011 07:55 Mataza wrote:
The hell?
You really think Skrammen is the best lynch? I can´t get my head around how anyone can think that.
Also purples reasoning for that sounds a lot like giygas reasoning.
He has posted only 2 paragraphs and already votes. Sounds eerily familiar to me.
Especially if you consider that Giygas is just voting on some random inactive person and trying not to slip up. He is so silent all of a sudden.
Including this because Mataza had honest intentions. He already spotted the similarities... the link between GiygaS and prplhz.
On May 18 2011 08:10 Mataza wrote:
prplhz will be top priority for the cop tonight, if we have a cop, that is.
Another Mataza quote. Put yourselves in a position of the mafia. GiygaS was already under heavy suspicion at this point, and prplhz was getting heavily linked to him by one of the more analytical players in the game.
I know I would've considered the gamble of throwing one under the bus to free another.
On May 18 2011 10:55 prplhz wrote:
Yea this may be a huge mistake but if I'm gonna make it, it is going to be in the first game.
##Unvote Skrammen
##Vote GiygaS
My rationale:
The whole "vote for skrammen" thing was never about him being scum, it was about him being inactive and voting out of the blue. I think that we are going to have a lot better read on VisceraEyes, Mataza and Skrammen if we flip GiygaS, while flipping Skrammen will really give us nothing. Inactive players have hopefully learned their lesson.
Also I think it is very awesome that everybody voted, but it would be more awesome if everybody posted regularly too!
If he does not flip red I think the VisceraEyes is the best bid for a scum next time.
I'll probably be unavailable for the next 24 hours by way, and also for the first part of day1 but I will be here to answer questions just not to provide analysis.
And here we are. Prplhz's one saving grace, one claim to fame in this game. This is where he won all his trust by gettin GiygaS lynched. I mean... it's obvious. Are we really going to lynch the person that ensured a mafia death on day1?
But why did Mataza keep going after him, Why did VisceraEyes keep suspecting him, why did DeepBlu2 keep wanting him lynched?
On May 19 2011 07:29 Mataza wrote:
First:
Analyze prplhz
-His tone is very rational, yet he does an emotional response to giygas flipping scum. ("I can´t believe
this.")
-He looks methodical in his approach and suggests he is a high priority target for the nightkill, even
after he has proven to have been pretty much useless up til now.
Under that light, he increased his usefulness by voting for Giygas.
Be very wary of him. I don´t have the time to analyze properly.
The following night there are some exchanges between VisEyes and prplhz, both pointing fingers at each other. Mataza continues actually analysing the situation and reaching the conclusion that prplhz should still be under heavy suspicion.
I ended up defending prplhz this night...
Following this there is a fuckton of information and analysis done by both myself and VisEyes. He is certain that prplhz and I are the scum, and I try to defend both of us.
Here's another analysis by Mataza:
On May 20 2011 08:14 Mataza wrote:Also FoS prplhz. He still gives me a chaotic read. His behaviour overall seems a little.....off. Like he is planning spontaneous responses. He talks about leaders being obviously bad for town, while a few hours later talking about how good it is to have people under control.Literally. He doesn´t want to help lead the town, he only talks about control. + Show Spoiler +On May 17 2011 21:48 prplhz wrote:(Bladibla...) I also think that it is bad that people have removed focus from Mataza. While he might not be scum this town has him very much under control. He is very active and has agreed to answer every question directed at him. These are very useful qualities for town to find in a player, no matter if he is scum or townie. We should have tried to use these qualities to hunt scum. I would love to have waited with this post until GiygaS next post but lets just go ahead and do some analysis. I do not think that Mataza is harmful for this town just yet. He is under control so far, I would like him to be more harmful for the Mafia though. So I ask this: @Mataza : With the information available to you now, who would you lynch if you should lynch the player you think is most likely to be Scum? (Bladibla...) @VisceraEyes : Do you think that it is beneficial for the town that you suddenly make a 180 in letting Mataza off the hook and go full force against stefftastiq? Another player who has struck me as harmful to the town is Palmar. He has recently used some very questionable rhetorics to defend Mataza, and while it might be good that Mataza is not lynched, questionable rhetorics are always harmful to town. But on the other hand he also appears to be a very strong player who the town can make good use of later on, so maybe it is just a question of getting him under control (Bladibla...) It is very good to have people under control; the more they post the more we can ask questions and the more we can make ourselves sure that someone is scum/townie. We will probably have two modkills but maybe it will be beneficial to town to lynch one of the least active players, to set an example, to make the game more fun, to maybe hit a lurking scum! Oh yeah and GiygaS; my nick is "purple haze" without any vowels or spaces He mostly points out things that are bad or "harmful" for town, but never about things that actually help us. All that, while he goes out of his way and calls himself important enough to be the nightkill, because "they might be afraid that I will try to rally people". Him rallying people never looked probable or even possible to me. After rereading all his posts, there is only 2 explanations in my mind: 1) He is greatly holding back, while thinking he is absolutely invaluable. He doesn´t know in the least how he appears to the town 2) He is scum trying to be perceived as invaluable, a good analyst. With superior knowledge he has a deep understanding of what actually happens. But because he is Mafia, he cannot post why his maf buddies are suspicious. I really, really want to think he is town since he was quite active. It just doesn´t fit somehow.
Day 2 is hell of a lot more frantic than day 1. There are loads of fingers pointing everywhere, so I will try to summarize it in order to keep this post a readable length.
Mataza FoS'd prplhz quite heavily. VisEyes was unsure in what to do because his campaign against me didn't receive much support. He both defended and accused prplhz at points during day2.
I attacked Mataza without voting him, and defended prplhz. Nard also defended prplhz.
At some point prplhz claimed that he got roleblocked during the night. It is really interesting why he did not immediately claim this, because why on earth would you wait for such a long time if you're town?
On May 20 2011 11:21 prplhz wrote:
@VisceraEyes
Uh his risky secret plan appeared to be very poor and he apparently assumed stuff that was not true. Palmar tore it apart and now he's suddenly on a crusade against me. I don't really know honestly, but I am not too worried. Even if he succeeds, which I very much doubt, the mafia is gonna have a very hard time. I think that 'Visceraness' is a good word to describe what he's doing right now. It almost seem like he's panicking.
Here is another prplhz agree with me. I really got fooled by this shit.
Everyone read this analysis by Mataza please:
On May 21 2011 00:44 Mataza wrote:The big analysis of Prplhz Prplhz has been preceived as scummy day1. After Giygas flipped red, perceived suspicion against him dropped a whole lot, as we are seemingly back to hunting inactives. If I am right, he knew he was suspicious day 1. He also knew Giygas was even worse off. So he tried to make 2 bads into 1 good and voted Giygas off, so he is cleared off suspicion. 1) Now it has been enough time to relatively safely assume we have no cop in the game. If this is true, it means we have 1 doc and no roleblockers ingame. But prplhz claimed to have been roleblocked. + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222568¤tpage=19#364 On May 20 2011 08:36 prplhz wrote:
Oh shit I need to do some roleblock discussion too.
Right, Karshe got killed and I got blocked. We either have Doc+Cop or we have vanilla town. The scum has known this all along.
Now Imagine this. Scum tried to block townie. Why on earth would they do that? Only makes sense if they are trying to do some mind games, but would it not be better to block someone other than me? Someone who is townie but who is acting scummy? Now imagine this: Scum tried to block Doc. If I am doc would their blocking me have helped in their assassination of Karshe? Not likely, I do not think I ever even mentioned Karshe before he was killed so why would they think I would try to save him? So scum tried to block Cop?
What are your thoughts on this? My thought on this matter is he is Scum and there is no roleblock. He tried to distract us with talk about happy fun stuff like who the scum thinks is Doctor or Cop. That´s my stance on it. 2) Prplhz talks about leaders being obviously bad for town, while a few hours later talking about how good it is to have people under control.+ Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222568¤tpage=6#102 On May 17 2011 09:26 prplhz wrote:Sup guys Right now I am mainly suspecting Mataza, mainly because of something that Mataza said early on: Now this statement could very well be benign but it is doing two things: degrading the town to diminish people's confidence in their ability to play this game (overestimate) making them more susceptible to get influenced by someone (himself) and setting himself up as a "leader" of the town (my town). I do not know why Mataza is trying to set himself up as a leader of the town but there are two scenarios: 1. He's a scum: He wants to control people and mislead them to vote for innocent people and keep the mafia save. 2. He's a townie: He wants to control people and lead to to vote for guilty scum and keep the town save. Either way he is trying to be a "leader" of the town and this in itself is bad. A town should never have a leader and should instead have people thinking very independently forming their own opinion, this should happen through discussion and activity of course. Mataza is very savvy and probably knows that having a leader is not good for a town, so why is he trying to set himself up to be one? This is a question that everybody should ask themselves.Now stuff that might talk against this: First: Mataza is actually not pointing fingers at anybody, I think we should be very careful if he ever decides to "lead" "his town" to vote for someone. Second (as pointed out by Mataza himself): If he is trying to lead this town as a scum would lead it we would quickly find out (we would lynch innocent people). And since we can afford losing people, trading a townie (guy Mataza would want to lynch) for a scum (Mataza) is really a good deal for the town. Maybe he is setting himself and the mafia up for mid/late game? This is a question that everybody should ask themselves.Other than that I think that all the debate around Mataza is hurting the town (we are not talking about someone else). So to stop this I am going to talk about someone else: VisceraEyes and GiygaS It is very hard for me to argue against VisceraEyes and GiygaS because I am also suspicious of Mataza. This is very hard because, while these two guys have been on Mataza's back the whole time they claim that it has been for the sake of activity. This has worked alright since these three guys are arguably the most contributing players in this game right now so their claimed plans have worked out well. But why are they not directing any of this activity against each other? This is a question that everybody should ask themselves.(Bladibla...) Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 02:25 nard wrote:
i can imagine there are still some people thinking about what they could include in their first post which is not completely trivial - took me a while as well :p While this might be a whole new game for everybody it should not be hard for an innocent townie to write a simple "hello" post. Maybe nard is having a hard time writing his first post because he is a scum with a hidden agenda and then he is thinking that everybody else is having a hard time too? This is a question that everybody should ask themselves. Note that he also likes us to ask ourself questions, derailing from the important things. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222568¤tpage=7#129 On May 17 2011 21:48 prplhz wrote:(Bladibla...) I also think that it is bad that people have removed focus from Mataza. While he might not be scum this town has him very much under control. He is very active and has agreed to answer every question directed at him. These are very useful qualities for town to find in a player, no matter if he is scum or townie. We should have tried to use these qualities to hunt scum. I would love to have waited with this post until GiygaS next post but lets just go ahead and do some analysis. I do not think that Mataza is harmful for this town just yet. He is under control so far, I would like him to be more harmful for the Mafia though. So I ask this: @Mataza : With the information available to you now, who would you lynch if you should lynch the player you think is most likely to be Scum? (Bladibla...) @VisceraEyes : Do you think that it is beneficial for the town that you suddenly make a 180 in letting Mataza off the hook and go full force against stefftastiq? Another player who has struck me as harmful to the town is Palmar. He has recently used some very questionable rhetorics to defend Mataza, and while it might be good that Mataza is not lynched, questionable rhetorics are always harmful to town. But on the other hand he also appears to be a very strong player who the town can make good use of later on, so maybe it is just a question of getting him under control (Bladibla...) It is very good to have people under control; the more they post the more we can ask questions and the more we can make ourselves sure that someone is scum/townie. We will probably have two modkills but maybe it will be beneficial to town to lynch one of the least active players, to set an example, to make the game more fun, to maybe hit a lurking scum! Oh yeah and GiygaS; my nick is "purple haze" without any vowels or spaces He took a 180 turn on whether or not control is good. Without any given reason. This is very important so I´d like you to read twice. The good parts are marked  Where did this sudden change come from? 3) Voting affairs. His last 3 posts before his vote: + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222568¤tpage=8#148 On May 18 2011 03:11 prplhz wrote:@Skrammen Hi, could you please, in a very short while, provide A LOT more content for us to analyze? I was kinda hoping you would get modkilled. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222568¤tpage=8#152On May 18 2011 06:20 prplhz wrote:Maybe we cracked down too much on people trying to create drama 'cause I have to agree with Karshe that there is too little discussion going on. So I'm asking everybody (and that include you, person who is reading this now) to post who they would like to get lynched on day2 in case they themselves will get assassinated during the night. I think that I might be a target (hoping for a cute nurse to help me out though!) so this is probably quite relevant. This will be great for town, we can have you analytical skills readily available for day2 even if you get killed during the night! So let me say that I've cracked down a bit on the active people, but in the end I think I am going to vote for an inactive player because the evil you don't know is far more scary than the evil you do know! This will most likely only be for day1 though and I'm sure the scums already know that. So if they eliminate me it will be because they might be afraid that I will try to rally people to kill off someone who I think is a scum, and who is active. People who fit this description according to my posts so far are VisceraEyes and GiygaS, I said that if they turned on each other they would most likely be one scum, one good guy. So if I happen to get mafia killed on first night I think these are people you should really watch out for, but probably only one of them is scum! So what about you people, if you had to write a testament to the town today, what would it say? And by the way, I am going to write a vote post in around an hour, so it will be up before two hours. ((OOC: Oh and Palmar, no hard feelings about the "idiot" thing )) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222568¤tpage=8#160On May 18 2011 07:35 prplhz wrote:Yea I'm gonna go ahead and vote now. ##Vote Skrammen Reason for this is that he just comes in 8 hours before day1 ends, casts and vote with 2 paragraphs of resonable and does not respond to our pleas that he post some more content. I am going to be honest with you and say that maybe he's not the one who is most likely to be scum but I think he's the most harmful for the town right now. If I should have voted for most likely to be scum I would vote for VisceraEyes for reasons I have already stated. Also his latest post is not really convincing me of anything else either. To answer the post VisceraEyes just made, the one that was mainly about me; No I don't control anybody Other than that I can't seem to find anything in your post I should need to comment on because mostly you're just saying that you disagree with what I said. Notice also that prplhz looked forward to Skrammen being modkilled. There is a low chance that a modkill is mafia(3 out of 12 people). This is only minor, but keep it in mind. More importantly notice how Giygas votes within 10 minutes of Prplhz. + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222568¤tpage=8#157 On May 18 2011 07:25 GiygaS wrote:
Hello everyone!
On the subject of me having 3 votes, I'm more worried about who could slip by. Namely Skrammen.
Skrammen hasn't posted at all until suddenly, he burst on the scene: Announcing his business the last few days very vaguely, Then jumps on the current trend of voting for me, without any reasoning behind doing so. This seems very dangerous to me, so I'm going to vote for him for the same reason that prplhz has reasoned: an evil unknown is far greater then a known one.
##Vote Skrammen First of all, this is out of character for Giygas. He somehow used great parts of prplhz reasoning before prplhz used it. Coincidence? I think not. Prplhz has been whispering into Giygas ear to write exactly that. And at the end, like I said at the beginning, Prplhz changed his vote. + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222568¤tpage=11#220 On May 18 2011 10:55 prplhz wrote:
Yea this may be a huge mistake but if I'm gonna make it, it is going to be in the first game.
##Unvote Skrammen
##Vote GiygaS
My rationale:
The whole "vote for skrammen" thing was never about him being scum, it was about him being inactive and voting out of the blue. I think that we are going to have a lot better read on VisceraEyes, Mataza and Skrammen if we flip GiygaS, while flipping Skrammen will really give us nothing. Inactive players have hopefully learned their lesson.
Also I think it is very awesome that everybody voted, but it would be more awesome if everybody posted regularly too!
If he does not flip red I think the VisceraEyes is the best bid for a scum next time.
I'll probably be unavailable for the next 24 hours by way, and also for the first part of day1 but I will be here to answer questions just not to provide analysis. He did change his vote to get a better read or in other words, to get answers. But what was his reaction to Giygas being red? + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222568¤tpage=12#235 A little short, no? I thought we wanted to get answers. Why would you be shocked *at all* at giygas flipping red? You don´t know who mafia is, so you kinda suspect everyone. The solution: Prplhz puts up an act. This short answer is saying "I did not expect Giygas to be red" On the other hand, he put the nail in the coffin and cast the final vote on Giygas. A clear contradiction. 4) Little things. Example a: A long post that talks about Viscera and Giygas turning on each other. Did this happen? I can´t remember that this happened at all. He also talked about him being a target for the nightkill, because he "has been rallying people" all day. I did not notice any of his rallying. + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222568¤tpage=8#152 On May 18 2011 06:20 prplhz wrote:Maybe we cracked down too much on people trying to create drama 'cause I have to agree with Karshe that there is too little discussion going on. So I'm asking everybody (and that include you, person who is reading this now) to post who they would like to get lynched on day2 in case they themselves will get assassinated during the night. I think that I might be a target (hoping for a cute nurse to help me out though!) so this is probably quite relevant. This will be great for town, we can have you analytical skills readily available for day2 even if you get killed during the night! So let me say that I've cracked down a bit on the active people, but in the end I think I am going to vote for an inactive player because the evil you don't know is far more scary than the evil you do know! This will most likely only be for day1 though and I'm sure the scums already know that. So if they eliminate me it will be because they might be afraid that I will try to rally people to kill off someone who I think is a scum, and who is active.People who fit this description according to my posts so far are VisceraEyes and GiygaS, I said that if they turned on each other they would most likely be one scum, one good guy. So if I happen to get mafia killed on first night I think these are people you should really watch out for, but probably only one of them is scum! So what about you people, if you had to write a testament to the town today, what would it say? And by the way, I am going to write a vote post in around an hour, so it will be up before two hours. ((OOC: Oh and Palmar, no hard feelings about the "idiot" thing )) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222568¤tpage=21 On May 20 2011 11:09 prplhz wrote:Hey I just want to clarify that what GiygaS said after his lynching should NOT be considered by anybody as evidence of anything. The game ends when you die but as the rules state you can make a GG post and that's what GiygaS did. It is very unfortunate that he did not stop his sentence 3 words and a smiley earlier but I am sure that he did not mean anything by it. I'll post more analysis later but I'm always up for questions directed at me. Here he wishes Giygas would have stopped his last comment 3 words earlier. Why could that be? My guess is that Giygas should have said something different. Nobody else cares about this little quip. I see no reason to even read something into that. So why does Prplhz do? If you read Prplhz post history, look especially for him asking questions that derail us away from the question who is mafia. He often goes to "why would mafia do this" and other stuff. He especially talk often about things being harmful to town, but he never spoke about something being good for town. That is a scumtell, known along the line of "bashing bad ideas but never bringing forth any good ideas". Prplhz is scum. I am as convinced as I was with Giygas. My vote stays ##vote PrplhzHelp me help you help win the game.
And another post from Mataza
On May 21 2011 10:57 Mataza wrote:
@Viscera
I wish you luck going into day 3.
@Palmar
Your fear got the better of you. You should step up your game dramatically.
@Prplhz
I hope you die next. With this little interest from town, you might have already won.
If our blue role was a vigilante, I could see why he is important. I cannot understand why Doctor did what he did.
But the COP is only good if he works with the town before he dies without saying a word.
GG
On May 21 2011 11:43 DeepBlu2 wrote:
You guys are retarded. Please listen to me. I said not to lynch him and to lynch purplehaze. Mataza has done nothing but help the town and I don't understand why you guys would lynch him. I honestly just gave up hope and I don't if I can provide analysis if you guys will just ignore it and make a bad decision. Vis, I'm incredibly dissapointed in you for being a frontrunner as well as the others. You decreased our chances of winning significantly.
And here DeepBlu2, who has been very quiet, voiced his strong opinion that prplhz should have been the one hanging. He paid with his life that night.
Day 3 begins with prplhz doing two analyses without actually reaching a conclusion that one of them if mafia or town. Just two more really careful posts about two people who might or might not be mafia in his eyes. No reason to anger anyone when you're about to get under heavy suspicion, I guess!
And then finally, look at this:
On May 23 2011 07:23 prplhz wrote:
@VisceraEyes
I think this is very weird because I'm like 98% sure that you're townie, and like 90% sure that Palmar is townie. So I think it is very weird that you're going at us like you are. But I've noticed that Palmar is clearly better at this game than I am and I want town to win so I'm gonna propose that you vote for me instead of Palmar, and then if I flip green you don't go for Palmar after me but instead work with him to find the remaining scum. This is not ideal as I'd like to be here all game but I think maybe it's the only way to convince you. And it's too late if you're convinced that you're not right AFTER you lynch Palmar because then I think town will have lost one of it's best players and that can't happen (again!).
So I'd like you to consider either voting for me instead of Palmar and encouraging others to do so too, or to drop your silly crusade because as Mataza said before he died, Palmar is not scum. I might be but Palmar sure isn't. That's what he said VisceraEyes and I can find the quote if you don't believe me.
This is what finally got me, and convinced me. prplhz is really advocating a lynch on himself over me? It's never a good idea to suggest a self-lynch as townie, because that way you're not mafia.
This is him trying to overcompensate for the suspicions by claiming he's willing to take the axe "for the good of the town"
And once again, he's buying my friendship with trust. I won't fall to that anymore, I'm not going to let VisEyes's crusade against me blind me again, like Mataza pointed out to me before his death.
Let's not screw this up again guys.
I apologize. prplhz has been playing me like a fool this entire game.
##Vote: prplhz
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