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On May 09 2011 04:09 Xedat wrote: /in This is my first time playing, I played a few SC2 UMS games of mafia and am following the current "main" Mafia game. Do you think it is smart to play in this setup for the first time playing a proper forum mafia game? If not is there an estimated time when a more noob friendly game will be starting? This game is like Calvinball...you can play but I don't know how confused and overwhelmed you'll be. Are you ready for 20+ pages of new posts every day? | ||
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On May 10 2011 02:23 Barundar wrote: Hm I can't keep track of you oldtimers. L? But Ace already said he's not playing... | ||
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On May 10 2011 18:52 Scamp wrote: Nice. It's cool to be remembered by some since I've been away for quite a while. Tell her I say hi back and thanks, but I suspect you won't have to since she'll probably just read this. I'm not sure if Ver misread my /in or if it wasn't explicitly clear enough. But if the game is full after Ace then I'll sign up as a replacement. I remember you scamp! As soon as you signed up I was like "lul, scamp is playing" on IRC. Remember when you blew shit up in Plexa's summer mafia? | ||
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Jimbo suggested having 6 of the best town roles in the top 6 picks, although I would've added another slot for another medic pick. This plan deals with three problems in a plan where the controlled roles are in the top. First, it takes advantage of the fact that mafia is likely to get a pick in the top, but is unlikely to get multiple top slots. Thus, the plan allows town to maximize their picks of good pro-town roles. Secondly, the addition of two great defensive roles and a medic alongside parity cop, BB, and JOAT ensure that mafia can't just snipe the top of the list. Thirdly, moving the "controlled" list to the middle of the list hurts mafia because that's where the mafia are most likely to be concentrated. It also denies mafia further down the list the use of these dangerous roles. Can't we just use Jimbo's plan again? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176529¤tpage=84#1665 night | ||
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Inventor should be making exclusively bulletproof vests. We cannot guarantee that Scamp is pro-town, therefore it is essential that we make sure he only hands out the most pro-town inventions. Bulletproof vests are excellent for town, and mediocre-poor to mafia Mafia has a lot of cover power this game, there's like 4-5 roles that just let you hide your alignment/role. We can't rely on blue investigation to pull us through, Not to mention inventor will probs not live very long. I'd rather the inventor make more useful stuff than bulletproof vests. Assassin is an awesome pro-town role, and mostly useless to the mafia unless combined with a mafia role cop. How is Assassin protown? It's basically a CV for mafia since they can just name GREEN everyone. For townie it's like a one time DT role that confirms one person outright with the potential to KP a lot of shit. Should you succeed in your hit, you are refunded your kill to use again in the following cycle or later and nobody is the wiser. Should you fail, your target lives but you and your actions will be publically outted, your intended target outted, and you will permanently lose your powers. | ||
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Therefore I'm going to scope out suspects based on small posting with a clear sign of having interests elsewhere during the drafting and role picking stages. I'm more used to chaoser and deconduo being much more active, regardless of alignment. These two are PMing, or on some IRC/forum chatting it up with scumbuddies about what their schemes are. I'll be putting my vote on chaoser. ##Vote Chaoser My interests are currently with interviews so you'll have to excuse me the last few days. Last interview will be on Tuesday so I will be 100% free after that. That being said, I was busy talking with tnkt about the impending rapture on TLMafia IRC last night so thats my scheme =[ to survive it. http://www.raptureready.com/ Here, you can be ready too. ##vote GMarshal. Y U SAY CHUIU JACK IS PROMAFIA? | ||
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On May 16 2011 23:41 Incognito wrote: Whoever is the vote rigger should rig the votes into 4 sections of roughly equal sizes. Try to spread out the people with the same numbers onto different lists. Well first I think, before the vote rigger does this, the day they want to change he vote, they should claim in thread if they're going to do this. Second, I think just randomly making lists isn't that great a plan. Instead we should wait till we have a suspects list and then do a regular vote while moving the people we suspect onto a separate person/vote. We either catch a few mafia or check some people. That being said, we should be wary of roles that can cover themselves which I want to ask Ver about: Which roles won't get caught by a votecheck? | ||
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Chaoser- this might seem OMGUS, but his vote on me is entirely out of character, chaoser never just goes for an "easy" vote, yet he jumped on me for what I see as poor reasoning, something is off I just did this in XXXIX on Irish lol...why all the sweating? People place votes on people all the time. Look at Incog's on Kurumi. I didn't even attach a reason behind my vote, a mere meme was written. How can you see poor reasoning when there is no real reasoning lol? Overreaction much? | ||
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Kinda weird that you would think it's anything but pressure | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973¤tpage=27#534 but then you think dreamflower is lurking scum and don't change your vote? Are you doing this because Qatol isn't here to protect her? =D | ||
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On May 17 2011 08:44 deconduo wrote: Actually I think lynching me isn;t a bad idea. I have a feeling I'm a mole. Also I didn't get any role so I don't mind too much. My viewpoint is that the game starts after the roles have been picked. Any optimum picking strategy or awesome pick setup (like LSB's) just goes against my style of playing. I will be playing pro-town once the picks have gone through. Just cause you don't have a role doesn't mean you can't still be pro-town =[ | ||
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On May 17 2011 10:40 Ace wrote: so besides deconduo wanting to die, no one else has anything to say about Incognito telling flamewheel to nuke people along with a host of accusations already on Day 1? Ok guess I'll just go back to sleep again. This time I'll tuck my gun under my pillow. I noticed it too but before that I wanted to ask. Before you said you saw something that made you unvote incognito. But then you voted him again. Want to share what it was or is it a need to know basis? | ||
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In general i think that only mafia have something to fear from people applying pressure, as townies will be judged by their reactions. Incog telling pointing fingers and telling FW to nuke is exactly the sort of thing that generates discussion and information on people. For instance, if me and incog start pressuring a townie (esspecially if there's not a much of a reason to) and someone else jumps on, then you've just got your self someone who's looking awfully scummy. While pressuring is pretty much the best way right now to go about getting people to talk, it's not really pressure when you try to work 4 different people at the same time. Information doesn't come out of that, confusion and multiple people responding to that fingering pointing does. Oops lolol I wrote this up, went to boil some water for tea, and forgot to post lol | ||
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On May 18 2011 07:13 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + Back to business, Chez you really think node is scum? Woah...that is epic. Incognito is probably the best vote for today. Mass finger pointing, trying to contribute but not contribute, etc. etc. Sticking my vote on him. ##vote: Incognito | ||
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Time constraints aside (and he hypothetically made time to 'catch up' on the thread after he announced the completion of his interview), this isn't the Chaoser from XXXVIII. He's not being inactive; he's lurking. And all good marines kill lurkers on sight. Sorry sorry, I had a few things come up that I needed to take care of and so although I said I was going to catch up, I didn't quite do it. I wasn't even able to write up a day/night post for the mafia game I was cohosting with GM so that should say something about that. That being said, I am now actually free and so will catch up and write up something by 4-5, you can hold me to that one. | ||
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It's a horrible plan. I was kind of getting to that point in my previous posts and that's why I asked Ver for what roles doesn't get caught by it. Assuming mafia has at least 1 mole and they picked up at least one godfather, possibly the Mafia XII Godfather then we have three people that won't be caught by check lists. All this focus on this plan is detrimental to town since we'd probably lose two or three days just getting the lists checked, arguing over if there was covering or not, and tunneling lists where there's actually no mafia, just a frame or cover. There are serious problems to the plan, and so incognito's post: To all of you voting me, just think how I could possibly be mafia for a second. I come out and post about the vote rigger/list check combo, that apparently nobody else was even thinking about. There is absolutely no reason for me to do this as mafia. isn't the complete truth since mafia can easily control how the plan would play out. I don't understand the sudden change from Incognito to Kavdragon. We started off by saying that incognito was acting scummy cause he was pointing fingers everywhere but then all of a sudden that accusation was moved onto Kavdragon. I read Caller's post and while it's true that mafia have no need to take risks, it's not like Incognito took risks right after coming out of the gate. It was only after a bit of pressure was put on him. His later posts are a lot better and I do concede the point that mafia don't want to be front and center but if they ARE front and center, what better way to deflect suspicion than to acknowledge it and then play off it. Weren't Kavdragon and chaoser having an argument about 24 hours ago? I seem to remember the two of them taking up ~3 pages of posts. The only person I had an "argument" with is GMarshal and that was cause I fake pressured him that he thought was real pressure. He ended up handling it well in the end but he's still on my watch list. His last minute change to Kavdragon doesn't help get him off said list. Read up to page 41. Will finish in a bit | ||
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Agree with this post btw. | ||
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If you look at the people pushing for me to get lynched I would guess its nearly all townies. Mafia would want someone else lynched as lynching me doesn't help them at all. They would be pushing for me to get shot during the night. wut lol. How does that make sense at all? Why wouldn't lynching you help mafia? That's a whole day wasted + night actions for them? They don't care if a townie is lynched or if a VI is lynched? Obviously they prefer the townie/blue role over the VI but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter? Like kita said, fail post ;_; | ||
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Putting that aside, why don't we make an x-ray machine or something that can be used in conjunction with a vote-check/alignment check that gets rid of covers and such. | ||
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On May 19 2011 13:57 Foolishness wrote: We're probably better off just waiting until tomorrow and seeing if another invention comes up. If the copycat is in the town's hands, he can just make a name that's really pro town (e.g. vote check kit) to let us know. That doesn't mean anything though. They could be mafia, name something the vote check kit and actually it checks votes for blues or specific roles and such. Copycat should straight up claim if he's town since mafia killed Inventor, meaning they didn't get the Thief role so they can't steal it again from the CC. I say CC/Inventor claims, builds something we tell him to, and then we decide whether we want to protect them or not depending on who they are. Mafia is forced into a WIFOM situation and even if they do shoot inventor, it's fine since we shouldn't be relying on the inventor anyway. His invention names can always lead to ambiguous situations and we would end up discussing them too much and lose sight of scum hunting. I'm also interested in Radfield's Non-Vote Rigger Pick. @Mr. Wiggles....so if there's a politician they can just buy your lynch now? | ||
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On May 19 2011 14:36 KillerSOS wrote: Why would you share that you are king? That's a dangerous thing to tell us. Well I can get WHY he's telling us. It's so that there's no surprises and we can control his lynch. If he claims too late then we might get suspicious. But now politician and possibly journalist can control him. He could even be red, kill someone we didn't pick, pretend he got controlled by a politician that might not even exist and then we're stuck in WIFOM and a wild goose chase. For now I think we need to focus on the people we were focusing on yesterday, that being Incognito and Barundar. If it comes to it, we can ask for the double lynch and then deal with it when it comes. | ||
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On May 19 2011 14:42 Ace wrote: Well as King he has to lynch, so this is for sure a double lynch. Damn, just reread it. So kingmaker is basically a compulsive day vigi that can make someone shoot for him. If Journalist can make people say ##lynch: Player then that's a crazy combo. | ||
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##vote: incognito for now. Let's see how Chezinu flip. | ||
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Assuming one of Incog or Chez is green and one is red, who is your other suspect out of the 6? Which players do you have a pro-town read on and which an anti-town read. If Incognito was day vigged today, who would your second suspect be? Probably dreamflower. Haven't read her previous games but her apologetic tone and her only posting to answer questions strikes me as a wee tad scummy. I'm sorry if you guys were hoping to be higher up on the draft order, though I must say I'm kind of glad that I ended up in the middle. I don't mind getting a slightly-less-controversial blue role, hopefully. I do apologize for not having posted a great deal since the game started. It's been a while since my last game of Mafia, and I feel extremely rusty and deeply unwilling to just post for the sake of posting when I really don't know what I'm talking about. I'm sorry that my posts often sound like other people's and frequently focus on roles, but the mystery surrounding the novelty of picking your own role has, admittedly, dominated my thinking. Her Ace write up I need to read over again but my original thoughts on it were that it was a bit silly saying that Ace was acting scummy by going after incognito but not chenizu. Chenizu is chenizu, just like Kenpachi is Kenpachi. They doing their dumb things are null tells and I think it's more important to focus on people who are acting scummy and actually trying to sway public opinion rather than focus on the ribble rabble like chenizu or kenpachi (sadly he is not in this game). I feel at the end of the day it really falls down to incognito v Ace and so far I agree with Ace. Though if Incog flips green then I'm going to be spending a lot more time on Ace. I don't want a Sleeper Mafia to happen where Ace just kept slipping through people's grasps. | ||
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On May 20 2011 10:57 Foolishness wrote: It is? o.O I'm keeping it updated for my records, and thought someone else might benefit from it as well. Assuming mafia did not pile up on the same number it will come in handy later. I sure as heck am not going to try to pass that post off as a contribution. Where's your big posts like in XXXVII where you destroyed my mafia team? I misses it =[. Are we really going to try to base a plan around rigging the votes and getting a votecheck? What happened to "let's treat this as a normal game until someone claims"? No plans for vote rigging or checking. Let's scum hunt. But where is it? You talk about not wanting to speculate about what potential imba combos mafia might have, ask chenizu for his step 3, post 1 liners about nothing in particular, mostly commenting on various things while adding in no input of your own. I think someone mentioned this but this whole post is one big piece of fluff. On May 19 2011 12:05 Foolishness wrote: I'm bored of listening to lazy plans of how blue roles are going to win us the game while people like Radfield slowly get others (scamp, deconduo) to claim their role in the thread. I almost feel like we should all just mass claim at this point to at least try to coordinate our blues instead of just hoping they do what we want while mafia probe people in the thread to figure out who to kill. At the end of the day yesterday, I just thought Incognito had a bad case of Pyrrhuloxitis and wasn't really mafia, since to me some of his arguments against Kav were lol. So I didn't change my vote off of him until the end, but I lost track of time because I was watching proleague. Shit happens. Now I'm not sure what to think anymore. At the very least, Incog's attitude does not help the town in the current situation so I will still be voting him unless new information surfaces. And frankly, I doubt anything new will come up. If the vote checker checks some list (as planned) would you have them claim the results even if they aren't damning? We all know mafia spread out votes as much as possible, so they will probably get a 1/5 people are mafia in one of the lists. Well big freaking deal since we got a 1/5 chance of randomly killing a mafia with a lynch anyways. I fail to see how vote checking is going to get us anywhere tomorrow. This game has lots of good players, mafia aren't going to be stupid and lose because of a vote check. If nobody else is going to try to do some normal, mafia analysis, we might as well just throw in the towel now. These vote checks which are going to return 1/5 are mafia aren't going to help anything until day 4 when we get a bunch more vote checks to properly nab the mafia. Game will probably be close to over by then. Ace, you are the one who said we didn't have much to talk about, and already had the max (or close to max) amount of information we could possibly get from day 1 prodding. I don't even expect you to still be reading this post. But if you want to sit around with your gun and let people like Radfield and Incognito mess up the town that's your deal. I got better things to do. You talk about blue hunting and not being preoccupied with roles but you go right back into talking about how everyone is talking about roles while doing no scumhunting of your own. You bitch at Incognito for "And you've got loads of analysis Mr "let's wait for blues to win us the game"?" while you do none yourself. You've been wishy washy even with your role talk, especially recently on the naming convention of the inventor and on whether inventor should claim or not, going from yes he should to I don't know. All you do when people address your non-scum hunting is to OMGUS them. Thanks to kita for pointing this out. After reading through foolishness' posts I can say he's playing nothing like how he did in XXXVII and he's been pretty anti-town. ##vote Foolishness | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973¤tpage=27#522 This? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973¤tpage=27#526 This? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973¤tpage=40#783 This? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973¤tpage=47#923 This? How about you prove your own usefulness. A lot of the charges you level at Incognito you yourself are guilty of. How are you being useful? You said dec was obv green and that you wanted to help lynch a more obvious mafia but you don't try at all to push for incognito's lynch. You make offhand remarks and you show support for his lynch but you never make a real argument for it even though you're one of the main people pushing for it. Where's the Foolishness from XXXVII? You're a good townie but a horrible mafia. Show me how good you can be or it's light out yo. | ||
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Once the 2 mafia in the list are dead I will gladly encourage you to repost your accusations against me (and I will gladly respond), but for now you're just distracting the town, which is exactly what the mafia want. If the list is reliable then I can agree to this. Right now I don't think it's reliable enough for me to trust it yet. I'm still going to pressure you to post like you did in XXXVII and if you don't I'll push for your lynch. Damn...i have a few more thoughts but i went to brush my teeth. I'll post again when I remember them. | ||
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On May 20 2011 18:16 Incognito wrote: My confidence on Chaoser being red is 95%. Not like you'll trust me anymore, but just sayin' Wait so why am I mafia again? Because I was inactive? You know, coag threw out numbers on why he thought I was mafia in toy factory mafia and never gave real reasons either. I ended up flipping green. Both you and bum have been doing that as well this game; I haven't seen a single analysis post on me from anyone. I was busy at the start of the game and tried to pressure GM like I did to Irish in XXXIX. He overreacted a bit and then explained himself well so I backed off. Now that I've caught up a decent amount I decide to write a big post on foolishness to pressure him because yes his posting IS weird and I get hit with the "you are scum" bat? Yeah the post was sudden but that's only cause I've finally read enough to have an informed opinion on what I'm writing about. How is that scummy? Until someone writes up a real piece of analysis against me I'm going to be sending my time looking at others. | ||
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Bus Driver Twice per game, you get to switch all actions on two players. For example, if the Bus Driver switches A and B, where A and B are players, and A is killed and B is role checked, A will be role checked and B will be killed instead. You may not bus drive yourself. If you are LSB, your action may randomly fail because physics just aren't that reliable. If you are RebirthofLegend, you can bus drive yourself. If you are tnkted, you may repeatedly bug me with questions until you get the answer you want. Ah ok, got it. So bus drivers can work in the day time too. Damnit. So can we PLEASE LYNCH INCOG TOMORROW??? He saw an excuse to fire off a nuke knowing that it would get bussed to their preferred target. | ||
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INCOGNITO (5): Ace, infinitestory, Foolishness, Chaoser, Barundar Ace, infinitestory, Foolishness, Barundar, one of them is mafia. I'm betting on it being Foolishness from previous posts. I haven't read anything since I last posted and probably won't have time till late tomorrow night due to previously stated personal reasons. | ||
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lol, well i figure it two ways. Either town lynches me or mafia wastes a shot on me. It's a waste since people already think i'm mafia. So they're just helping town clear the field and also confirming someone (bum) who I highly doubt was covered. So It'd be better if you guys let mafia just kill me. If they don't I have another night to check someone and whenever town does decide to lynch me, I will dump all of my info that I've checked. | ||
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5. Radfield 6. GMarshal [17][2] -> Mafia II DT 7. Deconduo 8. Foolishness [1][1] 9. bumatlarge [1][18] -> Bad Santa 11. Chaoser [2][2] -> Modern DT 14. Eiii [6][7] 16. Dreamflower [4][1] AKA MZ 25. kitaman27 [9][1] am I missing any others? | ||
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On May 25 2011 13:39 Foolishness wrote: Oh wait you didn't get on the police radio because you forgot to send a night action right? Yeah...and I checked bum and got Bad Santa and what do you know, I was right. | ||
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On May 25 2011 13:41 Foolishness wrote: So you're telling me Caller doesn't have a role (he picked inventor or chuiu jack)? Yes. I got a vanilla role check off him. Look, how would I fake a bad santa role check off bum? That's some crazy luck I would be going for if I wasn't actually Modern Detective. And why would mafia pick modern detective out of all the investigative roles? I got a vanilla mafia check off of him and I assume he was going for inventor. | ||
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1. Flamewheel - Chuiu Jack 2. Scamp [7][11] - Inventor 3. Caller [10][4] - NRA Member 4. Barundar [13][1] - Caller GF 5. Radfield 6. GMarshal [17][2] 7. Deconduo - vanilla 8. Foolishness [1][1] 9. bumatlarge [1][18] 10. Kavdragon [2][1] - vanilla 11. Chaoser [2][2] 12. Fishball [5][3] - Kingmaker 13. KillerSOS [5][11] - PYP tracker 14. Eiii [6][7] 15. Infinitestory [6][10] - Parity Cop 16. Dreamflower [4][1] 17. Mr.Wiggles [4][2] - NKVD agent 18. Original Name[4][6] - village idiot 19. tnkted [4][12] - bus driver 20. Chezinu - CPR doctor 21. Ace [9][11] - capitalist 22. Kurumi [9][x] - ackbar 23. Incognito[9][x] - America, fuck yeah! 24. Node [9][1] - Copycat 25. kitaman27 [9][1] | ||
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