Additionally, if they don't attempt to pick a role at all, they end up as vanilla townie. 1/3 of the game in PYP1 was vanilla because of a combination of these 2 reasons.

Meapak_Ziphh

United States6785 Posts

May 11 2011 18:29 GMT

#163

Actually /out

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

May 11 2011 19:07 GMT

#164

yeah, I'm sorry about the premature /in, but it was suggested to me that PYP mafia might not be good for a newbie. --- edit: that means /out for me

Node

United States2159 Posts

May 11 2011 21:04 GMT

#165

Question: How does the Assassin interact with Traitors and Moles? Are they both considered "green" until they have been converted?

Actually, what are Moles considered in general alignment-wise? Do they ever become red? Do they start as green? Are they always something else entirely?

Qatol

United States3165 Posts

May 12 2011 02:06 GMT

#166

/out

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

May 12 2011 02:08 GMT

#167

On May 12 2011 11:06 Qatol wrote:
/out

O.O

Hope nothing sinister is going on...

tnkted

United States1359 Posts

May 12 2011 02:09 GMT

#168

On May 12 2011 11:06 Qatol wrote:
/out

On May 12 2011 03:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Actually /out

Node

United States2159 Posts

May 12 2011 02:12 GMT

#169

On May 12 2011 11:09 tnkted wrote:

Show nested quote +

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

May 12 2011 02:23 GMT

#170

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 12 2011 11:12 Node wrote:

Show nested quote +

Mr. Wiggles

Canada5894 Posts

May 12 2011 02:27 GMT

#171

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 12 2011 11:23 Kavdragon wrote:

Show nested quote +

Kenpachi

United States9908 Posts

May 12 2011 03:46 GMT

#172

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 12 2011 11:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

Show nested quote +

was looking to see how the most epic mafia players clashed in an epic set up..

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

May 12 2011 03:59 GMT

#173

On May 12 2011 12:46 Kenpachi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 12 2011 11:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

Show nested quote +

was looking to see how the most epic mafia players clashed in an epic set up..

That's not possible, you never signed up Kenpachi :p

BloodyC0bbler

Canada7875 Posts

May 12 2011 04:11 GMT

#174

As a general note, as I am on the banlist and unable to play I have asked ver if it's fine if I can do general level coaching for players interested.

Qatol

United States3165 Posts

May 12 2011 04:37 GMT

#175

On May 12 2011 11:08 GMarshal wrote:

Show nested quote +

O.O

Hope nothing sinister is going on...

No. This has nothing to do with TL.

Ver

United States2186 Posts

May 12 2011 06:08 GMT

#176

I'll answer all the questions in a sec, but from the looks of this, there will be 24ish people. As mafia count, including mole(s), is visible, (but mole count is not visible) we should discuss this pregame as quite honestly I'm not fully sure how to balance it.

5 Total mafia/moles, 1 kp?
5 total mafia/moles, 2 kp?
6 total mafia/moles, 1 kp?

Thoughts?

Radfield

Canada2720 Posts

May 12 2011 10:36 GMT

#177

Given the fact that there are over twenty roles with some type of KP, I think deaths are going to come fairly quickly in this game. Even without a Serial Killer or a Compulsive Vigilante, we still have 5 roles which can kill every Cycle: Inventor, America, Kingmaker, CPR Doctor, NRA Member. Given that, my thought would be to give the mafia 1 KP. Whether 6 or 5 Mafia/Moles I don't know though.

Kurumi

Poland6130 Posts

May 12 2011 12:37 GMT

#178

I'd rather see 6mafia/moles with 1 kp.
When the Draft starts? I don't want to miss it.
EDIT:
Mass killing during the night might end game quickly with wrong ideas from KP-wielding players or good,manipulative Scum team.

sandroba

Canada4998 Posts

May 12 2011 13:15 GMT

#179

I think this game is pretty much impossible to balance before you actually know the power roles for each side.

Scamp

United States1086 Posts

May 12 2011 14:26 GMT

#180

Difficult to balance, maybe, but not impossible. It's not unheard of to account for wild variation, and smart picking is factored into the balance. If one team simply picks way better roles than the other, for example, that's a problem with team balance and not necessarily game balance.

I think the problem with balance theory here is that this format is generally largely untested, and it's also quite difficult to apply the standard game to this one. In general, I'd say to err on the side of being advantageous to town. Therefore I'd say 1KP, which will give people with roles more time to use them and also may encourage people to try to get roles as well.