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I'll just throw this out there, for those who doubt my lists. My list from day 3 was confirmed by the police radio, as is my role. You would think that if I were mafia I would have lied about that list and saved Ace, no?
Either way if chaoser wants to check me tonight he is more than welcome to. I'm sure it will set some people's minds at ease. I'd much rather he check one of kita or Eiii, but its up to him.
As to which list I'm going to check its between the Day 1 Barundar and the Day 2 KillerSOS list. I'll decide which privately in an attempt to keep the framer (if he exists) from influencing anything. Maybe its just me being paranoid, but the idea that the mafia failed to grab a godfather role seems preposterous to me, I would think it would be a high priority role for them...
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On May 27 2011 09:14 Radfield wrote:
You misunderstand GM. I don't think you're mafia, but I'm saying you could still be the mole. I don't think you lied about any lists at all, but keep in mind that last night(first night as mole) you did not use a list check, and instead role checked foolishness. Since the beginning of Day 3 you haven't necessarily done anything super pro-town(I haven't actually checked though, so correct me if I'm wrong).
You are confused about when the mole kicks in. The mole is inducted the dawn of day ( after night 2 ends). Today is day 4, yesterday was day 3, so I would have been informed I was a mole before I made my list check results public.
Its irrelevant though, not lying once in no way clears me, however, I am pointing out that it should at least lessen the possibility that I am a mole. Also as far as I know my lists are now retroactive, so it should be able to spot the mole if he voted in the list I am checking.
@Eiii, nice to know you checked me night 2, correct?
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Well, this might be my last post in life, but w/e. I'm exhausted after the last three or so days, and am going to bed, so I won't be around for the day post. If I die, well then gl town, win it for me. If I don't die then I'll reveal the results of my list check tomorrow morning, which should lead us to victory,
BTW chaoser, you should check one of Mepak, kita and Eiii, in my opinion.
Either way, going to sleep now, night everyone.
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Sorry, took forever to get up today. I checked the KillerSOS list, I got a result of 1 mafia, which means that of
meapak
radfield
eiii
kitaman
one is scum, and foolishness and bum are cleared. Also take a care full look at those chaoser threatened the most, because it looks to me like scum chose a gradual loss over an immediate loss, this means that funnily enough Eiii and kita are at the top of the list of people to lynch today.
I'll start with kita
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If you guys want to lynch me to confirm the check I'm actually ok with that.
The deal is if we do that we don't have enough lynches to kill everyone on my list, up to you guys, if you believe that my behavior post day 3 has been solidly enough town to believe me then don't and trust my list. If you think certainty is worth wasting a lynch then go for that, just remember whatever you decide don't change your mind later on, if you are going to trust me, then don't wait till we hit lylo and theres only one person left on a list alive to start questioning the list, lynch me now, when you can still sort of afford to.
On to why I pointed out why chaoser was shot instead of me, its because I find it really, really weird, I understand why it makes me look doubtful, and that was the only logical explanation that occurred to me.
Kita, why didn't you counterclaim when tnkted claimed medic?
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@Foolishness theres no way we *don't* have a mole
The police radio revealed that the killerSOS vote list had two mafia. Kurumi and tnkted were both on that list, they are both dead now. My second check revealed 1 mafia on that list. There *has* to be a mole in play.
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On May 29 2011 03:51 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 03:50 GMarshal wrote:
@Foolishness theres no way we *don't* have a mole
The police radio revealed that the killerSOS vote list had two mafia. Kurumi and tnkted were both on that list, they are both dead now. My second check revealed 1 mafia on that list. There *has* to be a mole in play.
"And for the last ability you may ask me how many mafia voted to lynch a specific person (cannot use this on mayor election)." So you're saying you got one, rather than three?
Should have read "one left" my bad.
the actual result I was PMed was 3/10 mafia, again if you have a problem with it, lynch me, I'm happy to go, with that if it will stop you people from doubting me already, just be sure you can kill the one scum out of four people with two lynches.
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On May 29 2011 03:57 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 03:55 GMarshal wrote:On May 29 2011 03:51 kitaman27 wrote:On May 29 2011 03:50 GMarshal wrote:
@Foolishness theres no way we *don't* have a mole
The police radio revealed that the killerSOS vote list had two mafia. Kurumi and tnkted were both on that list, they are both dead now. My second check revealed 1 mafia on that list. There *has* to be a mole in play.
"And for the last ability you may ask me how many mafia voted to lynch a specific person (cannot use this on mayor election)." So you're saying you got one, rather than three? Should have read "one left" my bad. the actual result I was PMed was 3/10 mafia, again if you have a problem with it, lynch me, I'm happy to go, with that if it will stop you people from doubting me already, just be sure you can kill the one scum out of four people with two lynches. Considering we have less than 5 lynches to deal with, why aren't you opposed to having yourself lynched if it means it decreases our chances of winning?
Because im afraid that every time we try to make a lynch out of that list the defense is going to be "oh GM isn't guaranteed to be town, so he could be lying, lynch him instead" I'm willing to deal with that, once, today, I'm not going to deal with that shit at close to lylo or lylo itself, at this point the mafia is going to leave me alive to keep from confirming the lists, so in order to avoid everyone making it an issue I'm willing to take the lynch. Or everyone can agree to not doubt the list and move on, one or the other, at this point the mafia is probably banking on getting the one or two people from the list other than themselves lynched and then lynching me at lylo. I'm not going to allow it to happen that way. Go for one or for the other kita, are you desperate enough to prove me right?
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fine, we can lynch Eiii. This game is solved now, we win anyway ^_^
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On May 29 2011 06:35 Foolishness wrote:
I have no idea why you guys are so ^.^ about the situation.
as long as we lynch into the list we got this game in the bag, if kita is the medic the mafia has no choice but to kill him, which means that at lylo the last person on the list is the mafia.
gg scum.
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On May 29 2011 06:42 Foolishness wrote:
In which case we might not figure it out on time.
If you think thats likely then lynch me today. The mafia is going to be arguing that line to try to avoid being lynched now that the game is solved, its their only bet at winning this. Look at my posts and general attitude post night2, if you think that makes me likely scum make a case and lynch me. It gives the mafia some odds of winning if we lynch me, so I'd rather avoid that, but I want to shut down the argument of GM's list is unreliable. Today. Either place faith in me or kill me, but I will not allow the mafia to try to break free any more. We win this game, today.
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Radfeild, the only issue I have with your plan is that there is no guarantee that you are not the mole, as a matter of fact I think it likely that Ace would attack you viciously if you were the mole. So that when he flipped you would have great town cred, its a maneuver I often use as mafia, and one that Ace used to set up a dichotomy between himself and Jackal58 in Sleeper Cell mafia, it worked fantastically there, so I have no doubt that Ace would certainly try to repeat the trick, basically Ace attacking you proves nothing, in my mind at least.
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On May 29 2011 07:25 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2011 07:23 GMarshal wrote:
Radfeild, the only issue I have with your plan is that there is no guarantee that you are not the mole, as a matter of fact I think it likely that Ace would attack you viciously if you were the mole. So that when he flipped you would have great town cred, its a maneuver I often use as mafia, and one that Ace used to set up a dichotomy between himself and Jackal58 in Sleeper Cell mafia, it worked fantastically there, so I have no doubt that Ace would certainly try to repeat the trick, basically Ace attacking you proves nothing, in my mind at least. That's true, but Ace would not check Radfield night 1 if he was the mole.
They had an NRA member, its possible he was making sure that Rad wasn't a DT or something. I don't think Ace checking him clears him, and if he did check him then making him claim makes perfect sense as it gives him an excuse for never getting shot.
I'm not saying Rad *is* the mole, but we cannot afford to clear him based on Ace's actions, at least in my opinion.
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On May 29 2011 07:59 Radfield wrote:
OK GM, I'm calling your bluff. We lynch you today to assure that the list is correct. I've gone through your posts and am building a case as to why I think you are the mole.
Foolishness is right, it's unlikely that Eiii would have sent in his kill but not his role check. Possible but unlikely.
##Unvote
##Vote GMarshal
I await with bated breath. Funny that as soon as I suggest you might not be 100% cleared you decide to "call my bluff".
Bring it on.
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I agree the mafia should have shot me. I have no idea why they didn't maybe they want to create a wifom scenario, maybe they thought medics would be on me, perhaps the stars weren't alignd. I have no way of knowing, ask Ace after the game is over, I'm sure he'll have an explanation.
The rest of your posts are "Accusing" me of asking questions to make people think. That is very damming indeed mr Radfeild. So asking questions and refusing to accept things like giving the mafia a door out make me scum? This case is as strong as the case against Orange (my) by Blue (sandroba) in experimental mafia, meaning not at all. I apologized for being late because it is my habit in games to be around for day/night posts, and I felt like I was robbing the rest of the town of valuable time to discuss said results.
Your case is laughable, lynching for information *is* bad play, I voted caller because there was evidence against him was damning, not for information.
You have no case caller, you are upset that I put doubt on your "plan", because for all I know you could be the mole, this overraction to my doubting you makes me suspicious of you. This case is less convincing than caller's case on Kav, and we now know that that was trumped up case. Bring better evidence caller, last time I checked asking questions and trying to avoid falling into mafia traps was town behavior. If I were scum I would have lied day 3 and would now have a larger team, rather than being on my own. You however claimed you would bus your whole team to victory.
If you are going to accuse me make your case more convincing than "he is apologetic and asks questions, oh and he is alive"
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On May 29 2011 09:19 Radfield wrote:
Another contradiction: he gives Bum a pass for making a pro-town move, and declares him a clear townie. Yet, he will not do the same for himself despite the fact that he made a clear pro-town move as well. Nor will he do the same for me, despite the fact that anti-town moves were made against me.
Bum makes a pro-town move = Sure Townie
GM makes a pro-town move = Not a sure townie
Care to clear this contradiction up for me?
Shooting a teammate as mafia is basically unheard of, no sane mafia player would do it when they could force us to waste a lynch on them instead. Its so strongly pro-town that its basically unthinkable to me that scum would do it
Telling the truth about a list check, while also pro-town is an order of magnitude different from shooting mafia.
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Radfeild, I don't want to die, no sane town player does, its a waste of a lynch. its something I'm ok with if mafia might use me as an excuse to get away, basically I want this issue of "is GM town or not" dealt with today, if that means lynching me then I'll deal with it. Basically if we don't lynch me the game is solved and we win, if we do lynch me theres an uncertainty factor, I'll take a sure win over uncertainty any day.
Also its my duty as a townie to defend myself, just look at XXXIX where townies just "shrug their shoulders" and die. That is not acceptable as a town play, sorry, but I will defend myself to the bitter end, that way the town can look over the list and be "hmm who insisted GM be lynched and bought the mafia a chance at winning?" and will have something to work with, considering they are going to need it since the game won't be solved.
No hard feelings if you decide to go this route, but I want the town to lynch you next after I flip green ^_^
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On May 29 2011 09:37 Radfield wrote:
All of a sudden because I attacked you I am now more scummy than Eiii or Kitaman, the players you were pushing as likely scum just a moment ago. That might just be the definition of an OMGUS.
Sure its an OMGUS I agree, but its correct, since its a reaction to me casting doubt on your 100% towniness. Mafia love to work with "hey guys, I'm guaranteed town!" notice how I told everyone to doubt me anyway, the only guaranteed town is that proved by a DT or one who kills mafia, everyone else is simply more or less likely to be town.
Oh and there was no contradiction with me voting Caller, I had one list with a top suspect and a list that had been narrowed down to one player who had to be scum, I was lynching someone I knew to be mafia and saving my other suspect for later while calling it out in case I died.
Kita, I went for you because of the players on the list I thought you the scummiest, I didn't provide an analysis because I felt it wasn't needed, as long as we lynched from the list we were golden. It was my belief that Rad was about 70% town. His "perfect plan" however threw that perception I had out the window. Sorry but both you and Eiii were lurkerish in my mind.
Either way let the rest of the town choose how they win or lose. Will they follow my plan and have a guaranteed win? Or will they give the scumteam enough wiggle room to save themselves?
I cannot predict which path they will take, but I will be upset at the town if they manage to botch this game after all the advantages I handed out and with an insane number of information roles.
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On May 29 2011 10:13 Radfield wrote:
So your assertion is that instead of lurking my way to victory, I decided to go on a random rampage against a random townie(not even the consensus scummy townies).
Plan a) Lynch Kita, then kill foolishness, then lynch eiii, then kill bum. Now all i have to do is outtalk meapak into lynching you, which I can almost assuredly do(I just build a massive case today, why not wait till two days from now).
Plan b) Stick my neck out and spotlight myself in an attempt to kill GM, (which would then solidify the list) instead of going after two extremely easy lynch targets in Kita and Eiii.
Is this your reasoning for thinking I'm scum, because it's awful.
If you flip green(5-10% chance) then I'll happily defend my actions from the wrath of the town tomorrow. But I am about as certain on you flipping red as I get.
Beutiful misrepresentation of what happened. Here let me explain what *actually* went down.
"GM claims a 4 person list, 3 lynches to win. Alright, the plan is to kill outside the list and at lylo lynch the last person on the list"
"shit someone in the list claimed medic, I have to kill them, which means I need a new plan! I know, I'll kill kita or GM and make a plan that makes the town waste a lynch on the other one, rather than using him to kill the last person on the list at lylo/making him the lylo target."
So you propose a plan that makes you survive endgame, by lynching me. When I call you out on it you make a really weak case calling me scum. Its not a gamble, you absolutely *need* to get the town to lynch outside the list to survive. Then you go with "well at least his list is confirmed, sorry town, but we cannot lynch me if we want to win" to squirm out of death.
Its a brilliant plan, and probably the correct reaction to kita claiming medic, but I'm not letting you get away with it.
If you are town then I don't know what is going through your head.
@Town: You are at a juncture! Either lynch into the list and be guaranteed to win or lynch me then radfeild, and if rad is being an idiotic townie, find yourself at lylo, with two suspects. Its your call.
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On May 29 2011 10:21 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +Oh and there was no contradiction with me voting Caller, I had one list with a top suspect and a list that had been narrowed down to one player who had to be scum, I was lynching someone I knew to be mafia and saving my other suspect for later while calling it out in case I died. So why did you directly contradict yourself: Show nested quote +"If the DT would rather do something else then we probably have no choice but to lynch Caller tomorrow, which I would rather not do, as lynches for information are terrible play. " This is not " saving your other suspect". You went from opening the day by voting to him, to all of a sudden not really wanting to vote him off, despite the fact that it's YOUR listcheck. Not only that, but you add as an excuse that "lynching for info is a terrible play". Exactly at what point did lynching caller go from being about him being scum, to being about information?
I *would* rather not lynch for information, but it was necessary we had to prove it one way or another, it is bad play but it was necessary, which is why I wanted a dt check, which we got, which proved him to be red.
I don't see the contradiction, something can be bad play by policy and still be necessary
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