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On May 19 2011 13:38 Fishball wrote: Please refresh my memory, if you did announce your role. You're the Chuiu Jack, no? So if you used your veteran ability last night, what is this "clue" thing you are referring to right now? His veteran ability is identical to Caller Veteran, which receives a clue about the attacker. | ||
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On May 19 2011 13:43 Eiii wrote: I think it's pretty likely the second KP came from mafia as well. The hits went to the #1 and #2 drafted players and I don't think flamewheel was a huge vig target or anything. Because Scamp was the mafia hit for sure, right? (actually, if one of the hits was a vig, I think it would more likely be Scamp. I do agree that both hits were mafia, though.) | ||
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On May 19 2011 13:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: And guys, I'd just like to let you all know I'm king today too. :p What is this supposed to mean? If you were king yesterday, you would have been forced to publicly lynch someone, and that clearly didn't happen. | ||
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On May 19 2011 14:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What? I wan't king yesterday, I'm king today. Ahh, that "too" registered in a funny way in my head. | ||
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Also, Can the journalist force Mr. Wiggles to ##lynch a certain target? | ||
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On May 19 2011 14:29 Eiii wrote: Can you explain what you're thinking here? Scamp was assigned the inventor role, he didn't make any sort of indication that he wouldn't take it, and then took it and played pretty normally. I don't see why anyone but mafia would off him :/ Scamp didn't claim his inventor role + somehow a bunch of people marked him as suspicious. Still, I'm not saying that Scamp was killed by a townie hit. At least, I hope no townie was dumb enough to. | ||
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On May 19 2011 15:00 Caller wrote: infinitestory the main problem with your analysis is that it seems a little bit too perfect. Almost as it if was a bus attempt. I'm not sure why, but I get that vibe for some reason. Probably will make a more rigorous analysis later today. If this analysis is bulletproof enough that it looks like a bus attempt, that only makes me more confident. It's definitely not perfect, nor is it a bus attempt, though. I can't explain him tunneling on the vote rigger / m2dt combo, as I stated in the analysis. As for this being a bus, I've been questioning Incog's posts since he first said KillerSOS was mafia way back when, and I don't reckon the mafia would start orchestrating a bus before the pick order comes out. Incognito's not exactly a prime choice for a bus either. | ||
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On May 19 2011 16:06 flamewheel wrote: Untrue for two reasons. Assume Mafia stole Inventor using the Thief. What happens then is Scamp would show up as vanilla in the flip. Furthermore, his invention could not have been made or given to anybody--the Thief prevents the usage of the role before it is stolen at the end of the night. Does anybody else care who Scamp gave the invention to? I'm worried that if the recipient claims, he'll be killed before he can report the invention's results. I think we can be certain it's a pro-town function, so all I can say is: To whoever received those glasses, please use them with the utmost judgment. | ||
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On May 20 2011 02:28 Incognito wrote: See? Something turned up. Given how the last few pages turned out I'm pretty confident the recent posters are town. I wouldve expected maybe 1 player on the Kavdragon lynch to actually be mafia, but I guess there's two. At this point, my guess is on Chezinu and Caller. Feel free to lynch me. But I seriously doubt you'll be able to, once I do the exact opposite of what the mafia would want to do. ##Nuke Chezinu Everyone should agree that getting rid of Chezinu is a pro-town move. Especially now that there is a vote check on the Kavdragon lynch. Now seriously, what mafia would shoot into a vote list that has 2/6 red on it? Unless of course I am conspiring with GMarshal to screw over the town, this doesn't make any sense. But then again, conspiring with GMarshal doesn't make too much sense either if I'm announcing that option. Furthermore, it makes no sense for mafia to take America. Especially after Radfield proclaimed it an anti-town role. But if you think about it, its the most transparent role in the game. There's no way for me to hide from a misuse of the role, and its not like I can use it to kill blatant townspeople without significant backlash. Frankly put, America is a ridiculous option for mafia. There are way better KP roles for them to use. So feel free to pile your votes on me now. Nobody else type the nuke command. When Ver confirms that a nuke has been launched, you can all take your votes off me, ok? I'll be back later with some more thoughts. + Show Spoiler + Funny thing I saw a couple days ago in the news: "IMF chief's arrest stirs up anti-Americanism in France" Seems fitting, huh Radfield?  I don't believe in changing the accepted "alignment" of the America role as soon as you've got it. If you really believed this as a town member, you should and would have posted it back when we did picks, when America was generally accepted as a banned role. Methinks this is a hastily concocted argument designed to make this action look as pro-town as possible, especially in lieu of any discussion on who to target with your nuke. On May 20 2011 11:47 chaoser wrote: Yes. I shelve my suspicions of Incognito for now. Where's your scum hunting foolishness? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973¤tpage=27#522 This? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973¤tpage=27#526 This? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973¤tpage=40#783 This? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973¤tpage=47#923 This? How about you prove your own usefulness. A lot of the charges you level at Incognito you yourself are guilty of. How are you being useful? You said dec was obv green and that you wanted to help lynch a more obvious mafia but you don't try at all to push for incognito's lynch. You make offhand remarks and you show support for his lynch but you never make a real argument for it even though you're one of the main people pushing for it. Where's the Foolishness from XXXVII? You're a good townie but a horrible mafia. Show me how good you can be or it's light out yo. Please, guys, stay off Foolishness a little bit. The two accusations on him are: 1) he's acting different from normal and 2) he's posting with very little content. 1) This could be valid, I don't know. Please remember that relying too much on this got Kavdragon mislynched. 2) isn't even particularly well-directed. There are a lot more under-the-radar posters (dreamflower, Eiii, KillerSOS especially), as others have said. If anyone wants to do an analysis that isn't 90% meta, be my guest - Foolishness isn't on my radar. On May 20 2011 00:13 GMarshal wrote: Who cares about "safety"? I thought we were here to lynch scum, which is by definition not "safe". Your wording jumps out at me, in a negative way. Do you mean that you think incog is more likely to be mafia? Right now I'm leaning Node as one of the mafia, his lurking behavior is extremely suspicious to me. Id *really* like it if we could have wiggles lynch Chezinu as analysis isn't going to get us anywhere with the "content" of his posts, and frankly I'd rather not have to worry about him being the bomberman and accidentally saying his codeword. Agreed. Looking for the safest route isn't really a pro-town attitude. I'd say I'm reading too deeply into this if not for KillerSOS's past actions (including the mostly unexplained vote on Barundar, iirc) | ||
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On May 20 2011 13:50 infinitestory wrote: I don't see any way to stop the America nuke, so there's no point keeping anything at all hidden. If you're town, and you didn't get a role, you should tell us what you went for; if you did get a role, please claim. And as for Martyr, I think it only stops lynches, and the nuke doesn't seem to qualify as a lynch. If you play LoL, it's like how you can't cleanse a suppress. | ||
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On May 20 2011 13:48 OriginalName wrote: Another easy conveinience is Incogs nuke on Chezinu. He gets a suspect in a group of suspects then shoots him to mske him look pro-town despite some very convincing evidence against himself. In all honesty we are likely being distracted at the moment and should be lynching him regardless, However we could also no-lynch and just have wiggles kill incog. Im not quite sure who it was that said bussing is an ineffective stratagy, but i couldnt agree less however bussing is generally much better when your trying to avoid being detected in the first place. Bussing Chezinu to save Incog really isn't worth it however if it had been the other way around who knows. Tldr: Lyncg Incog with kingmaker lynch, hes trying to save his own ass. On May 20 2011 03:39 Incognito wrote: Just think about it for a second. Its pretty obvious that even if Chezinu flips mafia, people will still be skeptical. Like has been said many times, bussing isn't really that effective for mafia. If Chezinu was mafia, why would I bus him? >____> | ||
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Of course not the scummiest in my eyes, but pretty suspicious. | ||
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On May 21 2011 00:28 Barundar wrote: The problem with the incog bandwagon since day 1 has been noone really took responsability for it. It has been several weak votes votes that simply met little resistance. Yesterday i kept hoping for ace or foolishness to point out what exactly it was that deemed incog mafia, but they never did. Both of them also switched votes (or in foolishness' case tried) near the end indicating a nowhere near strong case. Today it has been more of the same, with suspicious people like chaoser simply requesting that we stuck to discussing the same targets as yesterday. When incog claims america he is met with an attitude of "you knew you where gonna be suspicious, so you picked the most obvious role no mafia would pick to fool us. Calling your bluff!", which is obviously a bs WIFOM argument. The problem with this statement is that Incog's logic for rationalizing his America pick is even more WIFOM to begin with. Also, I took responsibility for the case against Incog when I posted this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973¤tpage=46#917 I do, however, agree that Incog’s reaction was very pro-town. I’m sticking to my analysis, though. Bumatlarge, why did you pick Watcher? It’s so terribly vague that I can’t help but feel it’s useless. Feel free to prove me wrong. On May 21 2011 03:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hi ppl I love you. Hi, but On May 16 2011 14:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Amazing day post Ver  That’s so scummy, you even used the lurk smiley!!111 My reads on the Kavdragon list: GMarshal – That M2DT claim is pretty sound. I’m not going to forget the weird Kavdragon vote switch, but in my mind, the rest of GMarshal’s actions have been relatively pro-town. I think he’s town. Chezinu – So I asked him to help out Town by claiming. No response. I’m guessing he’s a mafia who’s given up on life. Node – Haven’t seen a solid argument against him; the people who say Node is scummy seem to be using the same logic as against Foolishness, which I don’t buy. No read. Caller – Has been posting with a pro-town attitude, even if not much. I think he’s been doing his best to lead the town in the right direction, especially by focusing us down on this list (Even if we RNGed it, 2/5 is WAY better than 6/23, and it helps to keep the town from getting distracted like on Day 1) @Accusations on Chaoser: I thought the Foolishness wagon was bad, but up until Bumatlarge’s post, I saw no valid reasons provided for accusations against Chaoser. Bum does have a very legitimate point with Chaoser’s defensive attitude, although to be fair Chaoser has been taking a flood of shitty accusations. I see so many people saying that “his general posting style” indicates scumminess and saying he doesn’t require an analysis. I want to see one, or I’m not buying this. To avoid being a hypocrite, here goes nothing yet again: KillerSOS First thing I notice when I filter KillerSOS’s posts is that he has around 35 posts. Except, I’m pretty sure this post alone is bigger than all 35 of his put together. I'm sorry, but I am really going to have to draw conclusions on thin evidence (although the absence of evidence will turn out to be evidence, in this case). Jesus Christ, this guy REALLY doesn’t like posting anything long. Or valuable, as it turns out: Around number picking time: On May 14 2011 10:28 KillerSOS wrote: Well I'm going with two mid range numbers. Dare you to guess them. This post actually didn’t raise any flags by itself. However, what did raise a flag for me is the fact that he picked [5][11] in the end. 5 is NOT a midrange number. This tells me one of a few things: 1) he’s trying to deceive everyone, 2) he doesn’t really care about what the town knows, or 3) he couldn’t settle on numbers before posting. The first two are pretty scummy, so I’ll go with the third one for benefit of the doubt. On May 16 2011 16:15 KillerSOS wrote: I also believe that clashes in numbers won't be that useful this early in the game. I'm sure that the mafia are smart enough to grab some top slots, while at the same time randomizing the other half of their members. One odd aspect of this post is that he assumes the strategy he states is “smart.” He’s clearly put at least some thought into mafia number picking strategy. There are reasons for picking all low numbers and reasons for going all random, as well as a million other strategies. But this one is smart. The reason I’m reading into this so much is because there is almost nothing to fucking read into at all. On May 17 2011 03:10 KillerSOS wrote: I think it's fairly obvious that you are just spitting out nonsense. Would you like to explain yourself? Kinda like an OMGUS, except without votes. Instead of explaining himself, KillerSOS redirects attention onto Scamp himself in a pretty antagonistic way. I really do NOT like the attitude of this post. KillerSOS has no reason at this point to be so virile at Scamp; there aren’t any strong accusations. On May 18 2011 14:10 KillerSOS wrote: Wow, that was a quick swap to Kav. Makes me a bit nervous. On May 18 2011 14:13 KillerSOS wrote: Well that was unexpected. ..Not This is after the Day 1 Lynch. This pair of posts gives me bad vibes, as if he was watching the lynch closely and didn’t bother to post until 1 minute before the Day post. By the way, his last post before these two was 22 hours before. On May 18 2011 14:32 KillerSOS wrote: What's wrong with being on the Incognito list? I don't see how Kav flipping town proves you're a townie. This is actually a legitimate post! I’m proud. On May 19 2011 03:44 KillerSOS wrote: Yeah man, knowing the lynch on Kev was wrong automatically makes me suspicious. Or it could just make me intelligent, who knows? Once again, a passive-aggressive response to town pressure. A response without a response. KillerSOS is trying to shuffle off accusations without saying anything for himself at all. On May 19 2011 14:36 KillerSOS wrote: Why would you share that you are king? That's a dangerous thing to tell us. This is very true. KillerSOS is the first to bring up that revealing kingship is dangerous (namely because of the possibility of a day roleblock and journalist). He’s clearly thought about the consequences of the Kingmaker, although that doesn’t necessarily mean from a mafia standpoint. But even so, he does enough thinking to come to this conclusion, and gives a barebones statement like this? I don’t like KillerSOS’s policy of hiding as much from town as possible. On May 19 2011 23:07 KillerSOS wrote: Is it not a safe bet to ride the "Lynch the Incog" train? He was already a high profile target Day 1 and really hasn't done anything to improve his image. If we take what GM says at face value we are getting great odds at a mafia lynch. The only issue is that even if the lynch flips blue that doesn't prove anyone else red at this point. There are no real connections between any of those players. His last post in thread. That’s THIRTY-THREE AND A HALF hours ago. On top of that, as I said before, the attitude of taking the safe route and trying to ride bandwagons is absurdly scummy. Conclusion: This guy has SO many posts that literally add nothing. A bunch of them aren’t even relevant to gameplay, and some play Captain Obvious. When pressured, KillerSOS either goes straight into full-on aggressive defense, or turtles for thirty hours. Neither is a pro-town response whatsoever. I don’t think he can provide an inactivity excuse, since his votes have been rather timely. KillerSOS is actively trying to minimize himself as much as possible, to a ludicrous degree. I don’t even think a scared townie would go this far. I was going to put all his useless posts into a spoiler dump pile, but I decided it wasn't worth the effort. | ||
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