Pick Your Power Insane! - Page 3

On May 18 2011 14:26 Ace wrote:


If there is anyone that shouldn't be getting an investigation kit, it's you. You are on the Kavdragon lynch list.

On May 18 2011 14:28 Ace wrote:
Anyone not on the Barundar or Kavdragon voting lists.

On May 18 2011 14:32 KillerSOS wrote:



What's wrong with being on the Incognito list? I don't see how Kav flipping town proves you're a townie.

On May 19 2011 01:39 Ace wrote:


No, it's very valid. There has not been one credible argument against Barundar. Ever. Just because KavCaprio flipped Town doesn't mean Barundar is Scum. The Barundar train was terrible, just stop trying to pass it off.

As for the bolded don't try and say "this is what you were saying". It wasn't. If I wanted to say it or imply it - I would have said it. Barundar and KavCaprio could both be innocent. Then what? Why would the mafia have to be "persuaded" to do anything? It's two innocents. As long as no mafia die there isn't any WIFOM there. It makes excellent sense.

You and Incognito are the top 2 suspects. One for the KavCaprio lynch, the other for the Barundar train. This "Barundar was an alternative lynch" spiel is utter garbage. Show me just ONE credible case against him.

On May 19 2011 09:59 Ace wrote:


Who's acting irrational? You were on the wagon of a confirmed innocent and flip flopped on Day 1. Stop it.

On May 19 2011 12:05 Foolishness wrote:
At the end of the day yesterday, I just thought Incognito had a bad case of Pyrrhuloxitis and wasn't really mafia, since to me some of his arguments against Kav were lol. So I didn't change my vote off of him until the end, but I lost track of time because I was watching proleague. Shit happens. Now I'm not sure what to think anymore. At the very least, Incog's attitude does not help the town in the current situation so I will still be voting him unless new information surfaces.

And frankly, I doubt anything new will come up. If the vote checker checks some list (as planned) would you have them claim the results even if they aren't damning? We all know mafia spread out votes as much as possible, so they will probably get a 1/5 people are mafia in one of the lists. Well big freaking deal since we got a 1/5 chance of randomly killing a mafia with a lynch anyways. I fail to see how vote checking is going to get us anywhere tomorrow. This game has lots of good players, mafia aren't going to be stupid and lose because of a vote check.

If nobody else is going to try to do some normal, mafia analysis, we might as well just throw in the towel now. These vote checks which are going to return 1/5 are mafia aren't going to help anything until day 4 when we get a bunch more vote checks to properly nab the mafia. Game will probably be close to over by then.

On May 19 2011 12:21 Foolishness wrote:

And you've got loads of analysis Mr "let's wait for blues to win us the game"?

On May 20 2011 03:02 Ace wrote:


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Why are you always trying to force us with this "this role is a ridiculous option for Mafia" talk? I thought you and Radfield agreed that this was another role on the no-pick list?

See. This is what I don't get about you two. Both of you are going against your Day 1 plans. What gives Incognito? With Radfield I have an idea about his..."pick" and it has nothing to do with whats going on this game.

But now you're nuking when I could have sworn "nukes are bad" was a Scum move. So now if Chezinu flips town we waste a day on you, and if he flips Scum you just bussed a teammate and started a which hunt on 4 other innocents.

You didn't even discuss anything, or even claim before nuking (if your even America). How is that pro-town?

On May 20 2011 03:13 Node wrote:
Out of the five people on the Kav voting list, I'm most willing to believe that Chezinu is scum. But now I'm completely unsure about Incognito. I didn't think scum would be willing to risk choosing America, but at the same time I feel that it's extremely anti-town to force three kills in one day, especially when Chezinu might have died by Wiggles' hand, without discussing it at all in public.

And if Chezinu is scum, then we've got the mother of all WIFOMs on our hands as we wonder whether or not Incog bussed him -- and because we know (provided GMarshal's not in on this) there's another scum on that list, we'll lynch blindly and waste who knows how many days.

I can't take this move as being good for the town. Therefore, Incognito just got a lot more scummy to me.

On May 20 2011 03:11 Ace wrote:
Well, thats that then.

So why did you nuke Chezinu with no discussion from anyone else? That's a bit hasty isn't it?

On May 20 2011 03:11 Kurumi wrote:
You listed me as invisible poster twice while I posted a bit,Your list was ALWAYS inaccurate.

On May 20 2011 03:43 Ace wrote:
Thing is I dont think you read a lot of posts except for the one post calling Chezinu out by dreamflower. You just so happened to nuke him without any discussion. For someone who's been calling himself the pro-town savior all game long that is VERY out of character.

On May 20 2011 15:18 Fishball wrote:


Just some follow up.

If what GMarshal says is true, and his list is not influenced by any other factors (Framer/Godfathers etc,), and also assuming he, himself, is not one of the Mafia on the list, we have two Mafia among the following five.
- Caller
- Incognito
- Chezinu
- Node
- flamewheel

If we do go with the route with maximum day kills, and the worst case scenario happens, as in both Chezinu/Incognito flipped Town, that leaves us with.
- Caller
- Node
- flamewheel

Now lets also assume that we used our Town lynch on a target outside of the check list (will elaborate later in this post), we will be on Night 2, and we have two Mafia among a list of three. At this point, we should have people use their investigative powers on the players remaining on the list instead of flat out killing them, based on the fact that we already missed twice from a list of five, and I'd rather not take anymore chances from the possibility that the list might be bad. If we don't find anything, we'll know this is a setup.

Everything mentioned above only applies if neither Chezinu or Incognito flips red.

Although I haven't cast my vote yet, from what I see in the voting thread right now, unless something dramatically comes up, the general consensus is that Incognito will be lynched. If this is the case, I rather have Mr. Wiggles use the King's lynch on Incognito right now. If he flips red, great; If he flips green, at least that will still give us 20 somewhat hours to discuss who we should be lynching next.

Now back to why I think we should be using our Town lynch on someone else outside of the list. If Incognito flips red, it wouldn't be the best course of action to use another kill on the list, since Chezinu's death is inevitable and have yet to flip. I'd rather have us start exploring elsewhere. If Incognito flips green, the same logic applies, along with the situation we will be in mentioned up top; Chezinu has yet to flip, and we don't want to dig too deep base on the off-chance that the list might be bad, whether it's fake or is a setup by other factors.

I also prefer Mr. Wiggles to use the King's lynch sooner than later, no matter who we decide to lynch. The sooner we're able to test the waters whether if a Politician exist in the game or not, the better. Yes, the Politician could choose to not use his power if he deems it is unnecessary or wants to lay low, but it's a still good indicator for Town, and it at least gives us a bit more time to prepare and discuss until the end of Day if a Politician do exist and used his power.

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So in short, if the general consensus is to lynch Incognito, Mr. Wiggles should be the one pulling the trigger. It's either having the results now or results later, and it can only benefit us if we act now.

On May 21 2011 01:54 Caller wrote:
My friends,
due to a variety of circumstances I've been away from the game. I've seen that we have a nice votelist and I'm curious why we're not using it to get two free kills and potentially secure the rest of the list.

You should always clear the list. Always. That's why I suggest doing the following:

We have Flamewheel (whom I'm pretty sure is town, with his past behavior, with him being shot and all(which I think makes sense given how there was only one death last night)), GMarshal (whom could be a tricky bastard, but I haven't seen his play style enough), Me, Node, Incognito, and Chezinu. Two of us are mafia.

Best thing to do is to kill two people on that list. My commitment timewise has gotten lower than I would've liked, so I volunteer to have myself killed so you guys have more certainty on the rest of those people. Lynch me, or, given the time limit, it might be easier just to have Wiggles shoot me.

Then you can kill Node or Incognito (personally, I suspect Incog more than Node, even with the nuke, as I smell a desperation bus) and we have a situation where we will know 100% if GMarshal is telling the truth or not. I see no reason for him to lie about there being more mafia on the list, so clearly if neither Incog/Node nor Chez is mafia then GMarshal should be killed tonight. If one of them is mafia, though, then you kill the other person. Two mafia easy, and makes whoever's still alive as safe townies. By getting rid of me we remove the uncertainty. Don't worry about losing my role, it's not a big deal to lose.

TLDR: Kill Me, Kill Incog or Node. Might be easier just to have me king shot at this rate of voting, but whichever. Clears up list entirely. If neither Incog nor Chez are mafia, kill GMarshal tonight/tomorrow. Else, kill the other of Incog or Node that hasn't been killed yet. Either way, rest of list becomes clear and should be saturated with medic protection.

And well if anybody is lying about their role you kill em. Lynch All Liars and all. Don't forget.

On May 21 2011 02:21 Barundar wrote:
Am I the only one annoyed at how full of themselves some of the veterans are? Caller asks to be killed because he doesn't have time to play, when there is a bunch of substitutes ready. Incognito thinks we should kill Ace even though he thinks Ace is town, after Incognito himself is dead. Foolishness and Ace has been gunning for Incognito all game long. And both Caller and Incognito thinks Flamewheel will somehow win for the town after they are dead.

1) We aren't killing people because they are on a list, we kill them because we think they are mafia. Everything else is a stupid waste of town KP.
2) We don't kill Ace just because he annoys Incognito. See above.
3) Veterans aren't going to win the game alone, this is not you vs. the world.

On May 21 2011 03:11 Ace wrote:
Well Chezinu is the obvious Scum for sure. He didn't even attempt to defend himself so that's 1 down.

I still think Incognito is the other Scum. I've already said it but I guess people expect some giant post which I won't do. It's very simple. Incognito has a role that was discussed earlier as a role a townie shouldn't have, and now he says "oh but Scum wouldn't be caught with this role, so it means I have to be town!" - um no. As I've always said Scum will do whatever they think furthers their win condition. If it means picking a role that shows up as Obvious Scum but they can WIFOM you to death and get away with it - they'll always pick it.

Secondly this is just too convenient. Like I said he immediately launched the nuke at Chezinu with barely any discussion about it. No one save dreamflower ever even brought up a case about him and then all of a sudden it's a "pro-town move to nuke Chezinu". Come on people read the thread because this is bad play at it's finest. If he really is pro-town then why didn't he wait for input from anyone else or even discuss the other suspects?

As for this lets lynch chaoser train it's the same thing as the Barundar train from yesterday. Shoddy reasoning and people not reading just going for the random lynch. Where is the analysis that chaoser is Scum?

On May 21 2011 04:42 Ace wrote:


wut? From Red Army Mafia



Town won that game with my help. You must be confused about what happened.

On May 21 2011 05:45 Foolishness wrote:

Odds are even better because it's 2/5. So far Chaoser is the only one that sheds doubt upon the validity of the 2/5 (more due to mafia intervention with a framer than he doubts GMarshal). With all the nice KP roles for the mafia I find it hard to believe they would pick framer. Especially since if they wanted to hide themselves they'd be picking the GF roles instead of framer.

As what Ace said before, we need to clean up the list now because the odds are better than trying to hunt in the town pool. I don't see how you can make an argument against this, especially since it's only day 2 (it's not like we got 5 days of analysis to try to pin down mafia).

Anyone who tries to vote elsewhere or make analysis on other people than the 5 (6) in the list need to be looked at carefully once the list is sorted through. All you're doing at the moment is distracting the town. If we just focus on the list we can hopefully nail the 2 mafia without suffering town casualties. These paragraphs and paragraphs of analysis against myself, chaoser, KillerSOS are just cluttering up the town at the moment, and the people making these are mafia in my head because they are just trying to get the town off focus from the list.

If you think I'm mafia, or chaoser is mafia, or whoever is not on the list, great. I'm all for throwing analysis around. But geez just wait until the list is cleared up and stop cluttering the thread. Summarize your suspicion in one sentence and focus on someone on the list.

And before you jump on me for not doing this, I have wanted to kill Incog since yesterday, same reasons as Ace has stated, and that hasn't changed. If there still is a mafia on the list after Incog and Chez are dead I want to kill Node.

On May 21 2011 05:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Incog's nuke also doesn't do too much to his credit. Let me say this: Killing Chezinu, like KillerSOS or other lurkers, is easy. It was an easy kill, because town was expressing suspicion of him and a desire to kill him with my king lynch. As well, he hasn't contributed much if anything to town so far, and was mostly dead weight. So, killing him doesn't take much thought to do.

That said, I don't think I'll kill Incog right now. I'd rather leave him alive, and at the mercy of the lynch.