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On May 19 2011 13:39 infinitestory wrote: His veteran ability is identical to Caller Veteran, which receives a clue about the attacker. Ah, I see. I have yet to digest all roles  | ||
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On May 19 2011 13:47 flamewheel wrote: Duh. I'm saying if the copycat is town he needs to claim. If not and inventions still flow, then it's just one more piece of the puzzle that becomes known. Not necessarily. If the Copy Cat is Town and claims, unless we're going to devote our resources and protect him 24/7, he would likely die. To be honest, I don't have a solid solution for this either, but just throwing it out there. | ||
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On May 19 2011 15:05 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I still get to type my lynch in the thread regardless of if there is a politician or not. If who I type to kill is not dead at the end of the day and someone else is, that confirms that there is a scum politician present. A townie redirecting is stupid. The politician can't make me type things, he only changes where my votes land from the role description. I'm also going to fully comply with the town on who to lynch. So if any surprises happen, it's scum involvement. There was also always the threat of kingmaker/politician, and kingmaker/journalist combo, and this way town knows what's going on. This was the most transparent way to go about this, by claiming at the start of the day, and not waiting. This way we have the most time to discuss and decide what we want to do with it. If you're scum and your team has the Politician, you can still "comply" with the town regarding the lynch and have the Politician redirect the kill. All that I'm saying is it doesn't necessarily proves your innocence. | ||
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On May 19 2011 15:34 Chezinu wrote: H\e,y G[u[]y.s W/.e ne';eds t[o b{e e}xtr{e;m>e.l<y c9a)r(e%f#u$l a!b-o_u,t t^h*e e~x`p&l#o@s?i\o|n=s+. 0oes & (L)(0)(L) @ f;l.a*m;e',w-h=e)e-l f{o{r b#e%i!n@g t$o%o#w&n v8e5t3e6r0a1n a4s6 a8l2w4a5y7s-. Y U STILL SO MAFIA | ||
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On May 19 2011 20:24 bumatlarge wrote: I agree with rad that wiggles should probably kill someone soon. Don't think wiggles is scum, so I'd say use your best judgement wiggies! (CHAOSER) Read Infy's analysis on incognito, im not really sold yet. Incog told me things I didn't know. I feel that indicates him as town more then not. He is being extremely wishy-washy with his voting, but I've been ignoring that I suppose. Don't really know how he plays, I just hear he's good. He helped at first but lately with picking candidates and stating reasons we haven't been on the same page. And Ace seems like obvious town at this point. He's a rolechecker, and all the roles I went through with that are just way too pro-town, and for him not to be a rolechecker, both he and rad would have to be scum. That said, protect Ace! I'm very curious as to what rad is since he isnt voterigger. AGENDA MUCH? I thought me and Ace made it pretty obvious. On May 19 2011 22:04 GMarshal wrote: Ok, its time to bag some mafia, I'm the Mafia II Detective and I vote checked the Kav wagon. There were 2 mafia voting for Kavdragon yesterday, which means that out of 6 voters KAVDRAGON (6): , GMarshal, Caller, Incognito, Chezinu, Node, flamewheel It's funny that 2 of my suspects I gave to BC are on that list as well. | ||
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On May 19 2011 23:03 Kurumi wrote: Does Kingmaker override the role the person had? Or is it just an addition? What? Kingmaker is just like any other role. Do you mean will being made "King" override the role of a player? If that is the case, I'd say no. On May 19 2011 23:03 Kurumi wrote: Lurkeys should act soon in my opinion (Chezinu,Fishball,Eiii,Flower's post are not enough I think,deconduo,OriginalName) You're useless now and this does not make You scummy so fast,but at least suspicious and little anti-town. I am dissapointed that Fishball did nothing after my accusation on him and prodding him to actually do something,while my vote did not do much I feel it was justified. Unless you didn't read any of my posts last night... never mind. And why would I even bother "responding" to your accusations? You can think whatever you like, but it's deemed pointless to me. But hey, at least I'm talking to you right now. | ||
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On May 19 2011 23:47 Kurumi wrote: Yeah I meant person made King. Well Your Bulletproof people list makes some sense and might be useful later. You started to making stances a bit,still Your posts are small. This is a slight improvement,though not "something"(like a big insight into someone) I think You're on the right track in my eyes to start appearing Town. I don't fully understand Your dont-respond-to-attack technique,but looks like You know what You're doing,still I will keep my eye on that. Now I should go back to more past things,not the recent. I just noticed you're like the more adorable version of orgolove. I also like how you capitalize all "You/Your/You're"; No, I'm not making fun of your English. Your post just made me smile, in a relatively good way. | ||
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On May 20 2011 02:39 GMarshal wrote: Are you high? Inventions do what their description states nothing else, otherwise who knows what shenanigans people could up to with inventions. Unless you know something about the glasses we don't. Either way we have bigger fish to fry than that. Anyway if incog is America as he claims I can't see him being mafia, it seems like it would be the crappiest role for the scum team to pick, ever, mafia don't like powers that require for them to post in thread. Of course maybe he is just a *really* ballsy mafia. Either way I reserve judgment until we see if the nuke goes off. If Incognito is Mafia, that is like the perfect cover for him. "The most dangerous place is often the safest". This is a game of Mafia. | ||
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Chezinu and Incognito are on my list, and this was prior GMarshal submitted his check list. It wasn't exactly a random vote that I put on Chezinu on Day 1. In fact it was this exact quote that alerted me. + Show Spoiler + It's might seem too subtle for most of you, or maybe we just share a different point of view, but to me, a pro-town player would never ask such a question. As for Incognito, a lot of you have already pointed fingers at his play, so I don't really have much to add on that. Now what Incognito is arguing does makes sense to a certain degree, but I also don't have time to discuss this any deeper for now. I'll try to add a bit more when I get home tonight. | ||
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On May 20 2011 06:47 Radfield wrote: Speaking of Ace, why the hell are you softballing suspicion on me over my role? If you know my role, you know EXACTLY why I didn't follow my own plan. Fishball, assuming you rolechecked me(which you are insinuating) can you back me up that a) you know exactly why I did what I did, and b) there is no reason to be suspicious of me not taking VR. If you keep this up Ace, I'm probably gonna have to make an all-caps angry role claim.... Ace role checked you, not me. I was able to take a solid guess at your role based on what I see on the table, and have decided not to talk about it at this point. | ||
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On May 20 2011 13:50 infinitestory wrote: I don't see any way to stop the America nuke, so there's no point keeping anything at all hidden. If you're town, and you didn't get a role, you should tell us what you went for; if you did get a role, please claim. America might be able to stop the nuke himself, but that wouldn't make sense if the Politician has bought his vote, because that would just void the Politician's power every time. Unless it was made that America can only stop the nuke if the target was his call, and not the Politician's. This would be a question for Ver to clarify. But in reality, it really doesn't matter, as Incognito would have to choose to stop nuke from hitting Chezinu, which I don't really see happening for many reasons. Whether or not America has the ability to stop the nuke, Chezinu is likely to die. So the maximum kills we can get during this day cycle is three. - Mr. Wiggles uses the King's lynch on Incognito. Incognito dies immediately. - Incognito's nuke lands on Chezinu at the end of day. - Town lynches one more at the end of day. | ||
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On May 20 2011 14:12 Fishball wrote: America might be able to stop the nuke himself, but that wouldn't make sense if the Politician has bought his vote, because that would just void the Politician's power every time. Unless it was made that America can only stop the nuke if the target was his call, and not the Politician's. This would be a question for Ver to clarify. But in reality, it really doesn't matter, as Incognito would have to choose to stop nuke from hitting Chezinu, which I don't really see happening for many reasons. Whether or not America has the ability to stop the nuke, Chezinu is likely to die. So the maximum kills we can get during this day cycle is three. - Mr. Wiggles uses the King's lynch on Incognito. Incognito dies immediately. - Incognito's nuke lands on Chezinu at the end of day. - Town lynches one more at the end of day. Just some follow up. If what GMarshal says is true, and his list is not influenced by any other factors (Framer/Godfathers etc,), and also assuming he, himself, is not one of the Mafia on the list, we have two Mafia among the following five. - Caller - Incognito - Chezinu - Node - flamewheel If we do go with the route with maximum day kills, and the worst case scenario happens, as in both Chezinu/Incognito flipped Town, that leaves us with. - Caller - Node - flamewheel Now lets also assume that we used our Town lynch on a target outside of the check list (will elaborate later in this post), we will be on Night 2, and we have two Mafia among a list of three. At this point, we should have people use their investigative powers on the players remaining on the list instead of flat out killing them, based on the fact that we already missed twice from a list of five, and I'd rather not take anymore chances from the possibility that the list might be bad. If we don't find anything, we'll know this is a setup. Everything mentioned above only applies if neither Chezinu or Incognito flips red. Although I haven't cast my vote yet, from what I see in the voting thread right now, unless something dramatically comes up, the general consensus is that Incognito will be lynched. If this is the case, I rather have Mr. Wiggles use the King's lynch on Incognito right now. If he flips red, great; If he flips green, at least that will still give us 20 somewhat hours to discuss who we should be lynching next. Now back to why I think we should be using our Town lynch on someone else outside of the list. If Incognito flips red, it wouldn't be the best course of action to use another kill on the list, since Chezinu's death is inevitable and have yet to flip. I'd rather have us start exploring elsewhere. If Incognito flips green, the same logic applies, along with the situation we will be in mentioned up top; Chezinu has yet to flip, and we don't want to dig too deep base on the off-chance that the list might be bad, whether it's fake or is a setup by other factors. I also prefer Mr. Wiggles to use the King's lynch sooner than later, no matter who we decide to lynch. The sooner we're able to test the waters whether if a Politician exist in the game or not, the better. Yes, the Politician could choose to not use his power if he deems it is unnecessary or wants to lay low, but it's a still good indicator for Town, and it at least gives us a bit more time to prepare and discuss until the end of Day if a Politician do exist and used his power. So in short, if the general consensus is to lynch Incognito, Mr. Wiggles should be the one pulling the trigger. It's either having the results now or results later, and it can only benefit us if we act now. | ||
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On May 20 2011 16:15 Barundar wrote: In my opinion use the kingmaker lynch and the nuke on the same person. If not, if one of the targets is mafia, and the other isn't, we risk that the one on mafia is redirected by politician on to a townie. If we mislynch on top of that, we have killed 3 townies in one day while mafia only killed 1 townie at night. Ver can the Kingmaker lynch and/or America nuke be redirected by Politician after they have been set off? I'm leaning town on Caller and Fishball, so it's between Node and Incognito for me regarding the second mafia, and I think Node has been the scummiest poster of the 2. ##Vote Node Chaosers sudden vote on Foolishness seems strange, so does chaosers suspect list. Why would he suspect dreamflower if he hasn't even read her posts? It doesn't really give me confidence he is actually looking for mafia. It's weird that you would think of it that way. If you read the the role description again, the Politician can only change the choice of the target prior to firing, not after the nuke is in the air. Now that the nuke is in the air, the Politician can only buy the King's lynch, or some random dudes vote for our regular lynch, if this role exists in the game. | ||
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Politician As a person used to getting your way by any means necessary you may PM me during the day to buy a player's vote. You will have the ability to control where that player's vote is placed. They will of course lose control of their vote. Their vote will show up as voting where ever you want it to be via PM to me. If you happen to buy America's vote, you can also use their nuke power if they have not already used it for that day and it will appear as them doing it. Also, if you buy the King's vote, you will have his lynch as well. If you happen to buy the king or America you will be informed if you can use their power. America Congratulations, you have bribed your way to becoming President of America! You have unlimited nukes at your disposal, however, they can only be used during the day phase and you can only use one nuke per day. Also, because congress is a bunch of fat cat geezers, if the politician buys your vote and you have not already used your nuke for that cycle, he can also nuke a target of his choice and he makes it look like you did it! (however he cannot make you shoot yourself) To nuke, you must type ##nuke player. You must nuke 12 hours or more before day ends. Nukes land at the end of the day. Kingmaker You are the Kingmaker, the power behind the throne. Every night you must send me a Private Message with a list of names to be made king. The highest person on the list not to be killed will be made king. The King will not be informed of who you are. You also can not choose any player you already made King unless you cannot fulfill your role otherwise (i,e only a few people are left whom you've all made king). You can't nominate yourself to be King either under any circumstances. The King is essentially a day vigilante who must type ##lynch player at some point during the day to kill someone. If the king's vote is bought by the politician, the politician also controls the king's lynch. Power behind the throne, neh? | ||
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On May 20 2011 17:00 Barundar wrote: Cheers for clarifying. Will the King be notified if his vote is bought? Yes, also answered already. On May 20 2011 07:42 Ver wrote: If a nuke has been launched I will announce it and its target at either around the 24 hour mark before the lynch or the 12 hour mark, depending on when it was launched. The nuke, if launched, will land right after the lynch. No the politician is entirely private. They pm me who they want to control. If they control the king (or america), I will let them know that they have his lynch available to use and must use it (assuming he hasn't used it). The King will be informed if the politician controls him (as would anybody). The politician vote shows up right after they use it. | ||
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On May 20 2011 18:03 Incognito wrote: Instead of discussing "if I flip red" or "if I flip green", can you at least TRY to analyze what I am? I mean, its not that difficult. Even though I made my point as clear as possible, you still don't seem to get it. I only listed the steps the town should take, if they are going to lynch you. What your alignment is not directly relevant. | ||
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On May 21 2011 00:28 Barundar wrote: My opinion is: we hit mafia with chezinu. At work and I don't have much time to reply in detail to you guys, but this sentence just made no sense whatsoever. It's like saying, "Let's hit Town with Fishball". | ||
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On May 21 2011 02:21 Barundar wrote: Am I the only one annoyed at how full of themselves some of the veterans are? Caller asks to be killed because he doesn't have time to play, when there is a bunch of substitutes ready. Incognito thinks we should kill Ace even though he thinks Ace is town, after Incognito himself is dead. Foolishness and Ace has been gunning for Incognito all game long. And both Caller and Incognito thinks Flamewheel will somehow win for the town after they are dead. 1) We aren't killing people because they are on a list, we kill them because we think they are mafia. Everything else is a stupid waste of town KP. 2) We don't kill Ace just because he annoys Incognito. See above. 3) Veterans aren't going to win the game alone, this is not you vs. the world. Not all of them are hug-gable teddy bears like me. | ||
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On May 21 2011 03:11 Ace wrote: No one save dreamflower ever even brought up a case about him and then all of a sudden it's a "pro-town move to nuke Chezinu". Regardless of what Chezinu flips, I was first to accuse him! Although I didn't really slap a case on him. | ||
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