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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Eternalmisfit
United States643 Posts
On May 12 2011 06:52 Forumite wrote: None of them had a really good reason to vote for the other, except "better you than me". EM said "I´ll vote for sinani206 unless I come back before night" sinani206 said "It looks like there is most evidence on EM" Interesting that you say so since I posted my reasons here. First analysis Then, I also clarified when you raised a question here and here: 1 2 Also, you read those posts very well since you questioned me on the initial analysis (to which I replied) and said I was building a case against sinani206 here: Forumite's post Whether you agree with my analysis or not, I believe I have posted my suspicions more coherently than Sinani's agruments against me. I also find it suspicious that you choose to ignore what you clearly read and commented on and summarized my vote as EM said "I´ll vote for sinani206 unless I come back before night" I am not 100% convinced that he's mafia but among the people I suspect, he is the most likely one. I am going to my reads on different players as well since it is quite likely I will end up getting lynched. Also, I won't be on again till much later. Town reads Sandroba - for obvious reasons at this point. Kenpachi - for obvious reasons at this point. DropBear - Townie claim, general posting, and tying himself so closely with myself. At this point, if I flipped red, he is nearly #1 target for next lynch. scum reads Sinani - voting patterns suggest that he is either disinterested townie or scum. It is unlikely that he is disinterested townie based on my above analysis but it is not a 100% read. Ilovejonn - If you leave aside the fact that he raised suspicion on me (which is why he is not being considered at the moment), he has shown rather scummy behavior i.e. suggesting he always gets town, claimed blue read on Amber (would suggest asking him why he thought so), weak FoS on me on Day2 start, trying to gain town cred based on a dead man's read. Conversion and Elmizzit - Textbook examples of posting w/o contributing. They also seem to be good at making themselves not noticeable. In fact, I don't recall anyone having analyzed their posting. Suspicious reads - not necessarily scummy jaminz - Missing from thread in general. Vote 1 was inexplicable since he knew Killer was Blue but still voted for him. Vote 2 was accompanied by contradictory reasons. He votes for Amber early so that is why I don't get a clear scum read but that might have been an attempt to bus Amber. redtooth - sudden decline in activity. Lot of people have been wrong in their votes (hell, I am a perfect example for it) but very few have shown such a sudden decline in activity. orgolove - He never explained why he switched his vote from Redtooth->Chaoser->Kurumi on Day1. His Day2 vote was on Amber which I why I am hesistant on this as a scum read. Null Reads Kitaman VarpuliS Impervious - mostly due to lack of sufficient posts to analyze Mig I am confused on my reads about Forumite, AirBladeOrange, Cthsasza, and Chaos13 but it is mostly a combination of mixed signals and gut feelings so I am not posting them here. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
I just hope I'm right this time. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
I say we keep EM around for another day or two, because I'm genuinely getting a town read from him, and he's much more active and helpful to the town. I really don't see how EM is a superior lynch. Cut the "his flip will tell us about ilovejohn" crap. I'm going to actually expand my list of people to vote for to include ilovejohn. If you want to know ilovejohn/EM's alignment, lynch ilovejohn. He's been less town friendly, and loosing him if he's town isn't as bad as loosing EM if he's town, which I think he is. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
Thank you for posting your opinions, and reposting the analysis. Solid read, especially who you think is what. Few (including me) come out with things like that. I´m getting more of a Town read from you than sinani206, so I´m keeping my vote on him. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
sinani206: 6 It´s a close lynch, but still many left. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
jaminz Conversion elmizzt Mig | ||
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
On May 12 2011 01:56 sinani206 wrote: I am really confused about everything that is going on. I have been reading the thread, but it is hard to understand something as unorganized as this. Maybe I'm missing something? I am not sure who to agree with. All of the accusations make sense. Eternalmisfit seems like he could be Mafia, and there is definitely good evidence to prove this. Ilovejonn claimed townie and seems suspicious, however he was also the one that first FoS'ed EM. I admit that my accusation of Kevconsim was quite stupid, reading back a few posts, but again, I hadn't seen the post about his emergency when I posted that accusation. Just because I am the easiest target doesn't mean you should gang up on me. In Sc2 Mafia, when the silent people get lynched, the loud ones turn out to be Mafia. lol obvious scum post + Show Spoiler + also, sc2 mafia.... autovote. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
On May 12 2011 08:02 Varpulis wrote: yep. All I need is a reason that is a) your own opinion and b) not utter BS. Bad reasons are
The more effort you put into it the better. At this point I don't really expect much, because everything that there is to say about these guys has pretty much been said. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4221 Posts
On May 12 2011 08:37 sandroba wrote: EM, I changed my mind about you and if you are scum, you sure are doing a great job of looking inocent. I'm chaging my vote to sinani because he is more useless and after see your current post I'm convinced you can be a good asset if you are town. I just hope I'm right this time. Ok, what the hell? Within a few hours of his lynch, he starts to look useful to the town, and you decide to get cold feet all of a sudden? Do you not remember the shit he was pulling earlier? He actually asked a vigi to hit HIM, in what seems like a fairly obvious ploy to take pressure off of both him and GGQ (and GGQ was red if you recall). Among other things. He's been detrimental, until the last few hours, now he's trying to save his skin..... | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Sinani206's scummy post] + On May 12 2011 01:56 sinani206 wrote: I am really confused about everything that is going on. I have been reading the thread, but it is hard to understand something as unorganized as this. Maybe I'm missing something? I am not sure who to agree with. All of the accusations make sense. Eternalmisfit seems like he could be Mafia, and there is definitely good evidence to prove this. Ilovejonn claimed townie and seems suspicious, however he was also the one that first FoS'ed EM. I admit that my accusation of Kevconsim was quite stupid, reading back a few posts, but again, I hadn't seen the post about his emergency when I posted that accusation. Just because I am the easiest target doesn't mean you should gang up on me. In Sc2 Mafia, when the silent people get lynched, the loud ones turn out to be Mafia. It's scummy to me because
Is Sinani winning the vote now? With elmizzt I think it's 7-6 in favor of Sinani, with EM as a close second. Am i wrong? | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
@Imprevious The role PM thing is bothering me greatly. Think about it from a mafia perspective. Why would you consider posting your role PM and PM node about it if don't actually have the legit pm? | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
On May 12 2011 09:24 Impervious wrote: Ok, what the hell? Within a few hours of his lynch, he starts to look useful to the town, and you decide to get cold feet all of a sudden? Do you not remember the shit he was pulling earlier? He actually asked a vigi to hit HIM, in what seems like a fairly obvious ploy to take pressure off of both him and GGQ (and GGQ was red if you recall). Among other things. He's been detrimental, until the last few hours, now he's trying to save his skin..... Except that him "saving his skin" translates into pro town play, whereas Sinani's "saving his skin" translates into making excuses and claiming noob. Why would scum ask for a vigi hit on themselves? If the vigi listens, the scum dies, and if the vigi doesn't, then nothing is gained. I really don't see how that's scum play. I see it as a frustrated townie trying to prove his innocence. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On May 12 2011 09:32 Varpulis wrote: ninja'd Except that him "saving his skin" translates into pro town play, whereas Sinani's "saving his skin" translates into making excuses and claiming noob. Why would scum ask for a vigi hit on themselves? If the vigi listens, the scum dies, and if the vigi doesn't, then nothing is gained. I really don't see how that's scum play. I see it as a frustrated townie trying to prove his innocence. earlier, both EM and GGQ were Vig Hit targets. i chose the latter | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
what role is most likely EM? | ||
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sandroba
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Varpulis
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Impervious
Canada4221 Posts
Yes, it does look like calling a hit on yourself is a "frustrated townie" type move. At the same time, it was drawing attention away from GGQ, who was red..... And no vigi is going to hit anyone because they want to be hit..... It looks like it would be a gigantic waste of their ability..... I'm not sure about either of them. What I do know is that both seem scummy in some ways. And we learn more through a lynch of EM, because we can potentially erase ilj from our suspicious list. Because we accomplish more through a lynch of EM than through a lynch of sinani (I mean, from our limited knowledge), I can't see why you would want to switch right now..... If someone has better knowledge, and wants to share it right now, it'd help us greatly right now..... I'd be up for a switch, but not simply because EM has changed his posting ability in the last few hours. | ||
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