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On May 07 2011 17:55 DropBear wrote:
Node, you put out a call for subs. Is it possible to find out which players are requesting replacement and why? There are a lot of people lurking and this information is relevant.
Kevconsim requested a replacement due to a family emergency. I have not had any other requests.
Also, because we only had one replacement lined up, any modkills will be permanent. Oftentimes people who just poked their head in to post and vote on the first day simply don't bother on the second day. I expect a handful of modkills at the end of day, and I'd rather replace than modkill.
On May 07 2011 23:49 Kurumi wrote:
As a dead player I can PM other dead players,right?
Feel free to converse with anybody no longer in the game. Just don't do it anywhere players could potentially see it.
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EBWODP: Holy shit. When did so many people vote for me? Am I really your best lynch target? Unfortunately I won't have time to defend myself until late tonight (I'm stepping out the door as we speak) but notice that Cthsazsa sneakily bandwagoned himself already.
Go to hell scum.
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On May 08 2011 01:30 redtooth wrote:
EBWODP: Holy shit. When did so many people vote for me? Am I really your best lynch target? Unfortunately I won't have time to defend myself until late tonight (I'm stepping out the door as we speak) but notice that Cthsazsa sneakily bandwagoned himself already.
Go to hell scum.
I stated my reasons for voting for you, and I was the third person to do so. I would hardly call that bandwagoning. And if you really think that it is, the same came go to you too. You're just following AO and Conversion in their arguments against me so that the attention is diverted away from you, scum.
As for Jackal58's death. Of course that was no coincidence. The mafia is probably using me as a scapegoat. As far as I can tell, the mafia had two benefits from kill Jackal.
1, it would make me look mafia,
2, He was a more experienced player, and if he was removed than he wouldn't be a threat in the future.
Come on, think about it. If you were mafia, why the hell would you kill the person that was on your ass the hardest? That'll just raise even more suspicions. The Mafia is trying to get us to waste our day vote, just as you are trying to get us to waste time from scumhunting with rather useless topics.
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Just putting these here before Chaoser goes on his anti-Amber campaign. I would like to stress that Chaoser is tunneling me.
When did I ever tunnel you? I asked you to step up your posting and give better reasons to why you voted Kurumi. Your posts on him essentially boiled down to "I'm bandwagoning cause I'd afraid people will switch votes and get the lynch off of him" when really there was no need to, he was at 13 votes, the closest other lynch was at 4.
I also asked, which you then avoided, the question of, since you showed great scum killing abilities in Insane 1 (you even admit this yourself in a post) and so you are valuable, why haven't you given good analysis yet? Also, you said that you lurked a lot in Insane 2 when you were mafia, which is what you are doing here, can you please explain your behavior.
Please stop tunneling Chaoser. I'm not trying to point my FoS onto you, yet.
Then you say, stop tunneling me or else I will say you're mafia? How is that logical at all? What do you think about Irish? What about sinani?
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EBWOP:
Also, if that was the case, wouldn't I be voting on Conversion, the person 2nd to Jackal to be on my ass? Yes, he's raised my suspicion in Day 1, but I've altogether dropped that because you stand out a lot more as scum, and I'm confident that a day vote on you won't go to waste.
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I'd like to bring some lurkers to the attention of the town.
Lyter Lyter has a sparse 3 posts in the real game. He claims to be entirely new to forum mafia, so he might just be overwhelmed, but this is still a suspicious lack of activity.
+ Show Spoiler [his posts] +On May 04 2011 23:54 Lyter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 16:35 redtooth wrote:
To start off, let's have everybody answer the following question:
What is your mafia experience/backround like?
This can be experience in IRL mafia, approximate # of TL mafia games played, experience playing on mafiascum, "I just arrived from Noobtown", etc. Thanks! This is my first game of Mafia on a forum, I've played quite a lot of the Mafia custom on SC2 so I know how it works but I'd consider myself a newbie in a big forum game like this. On May 05 2011 17:29 Lyter wrote:
I'm not really buying all these random accusations flying around on day 1, maybe its just me, but I'd much rather see a night through so we actually have something to work with, at this point it is just pure guesswork imo. On May 05 2011 18:20 Lyter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 18:02 Forumite wrote:
It might be guesswork but we still get information out of it, information that will be important once the first lynch flips. Also we don´t have a "no lynch" option, someone HAS to die during day 1. Ah didn't realise someone had to die, time to do some thinking 
His vote went to Irish_Punk13.On May 05 2011 22:24 Lyter wrote:
##Vote: Irish_Punk13
Kenpachi Maybe I'm just not familiar with his play, but he's been playing a quiet "post a 1 liner every once and a while" style. Of all the lurkers, he has had the most contributions.
He put a placeholder on himself yesterday, and has voted for Forumite today.On May 06 2011 08:05 Kenpachi wrote:
vote Kenpachi
On May 07 2011 22:54 Kenpachi wrote:
##Vote Forumite
Irish_Punk13 He was put in the hotseat early by redtooths RQS/RVS FoS, noted the great posts of Kurumi, voted for AirBladeOrange, and then disappeared.
+ Show Spoiler [posts of note] +On May 05 2011 06:30 Irish_Punk13 wrote:
Okay, I saw that Amber quoted Chaoser asking why I acted the way I did when I posted the link to UG. I didn't mean to come off as being really defensive or anything, I was just trying to give you evidence that I do play with those guys on UG and make it clear that I didn't want to waste any more time on it.
I'm keeping my vote as is for now because I haven't found anything that sounds more suspicious than AirbladeOrange.
I'm going to go focus on my other game for now, and I'll get back to this in a bit.
On May 05 2011 04:22 Irish_Punk13 wrote:
Okay, for now my vote is going on AirbladeOrange for his last post. I don't like the fact that he's okay with the idea of lynching town. Kurumi is making some great posts so far, and I think he's most likely town based off of his actions so far. The fact that you think it's okay to lynch him tells me that you're probably scum, so I'm putting my vote on you.
His vote: On May 05 2011 04:23 Irish_Punk13 wrote:
##Vote AirbladeOrange
Takuna He has a total of ONE post in this thread. Granted, it was of higher quality than a number of posts I can mention (including most of mine  ), but it's still only 1 post.
+ Show Spoiler [Takuna's post] +On May 06 2011 02:13 Takuna wrote:
Hi you all, sry for late posting, but don't worry, now I'm here :D
This is actually my first game here at TL, i played it rl on a couple of (drunk) occasions.
Took quite a while to read the whole thread, so here are my thoughts....
Kurumi:
His average posts arent of a very high quality, but he did force a lot of statements about him by this, with actually should help town regardless of the fact if he is scum or not. But he should be more precise and futue and he is already trying.
Irish_Punk13/Airbladeorange
totally confused by this discussion now. They are cases, but non of them actually convinces me yet enough to lynch them.
For this day i will go with Cthsazsa, he was winding like a snake after being accused, for me the strongest case up to date.
##Vote: Cthsazsa
He did in fact vote for Cthsazsa. On May 06 2011 02:13 Takuna wrote:
##Vote Cthsazsa
Beneather Has maintained a 3:1 ratio of posts pre-game to posts in-game. ironically, two of his three ingame posts are are about lurkers and inactives. He voted at the last minute without making a post in the real thread.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2011 08:19 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 08:13 Jackal58 wrote:On May 05 2011 07:13 Cthsazsa wrote:
Why would we vote off inactives? We should leave them be. If they are mafia, well they aren't that much of a threat to us since they're not participating. On the other hand, if they're a townie then that'll just put a crutch in us. We'll lose a townie, PLUS we'd have wasted our votes.
People insisting that we vote off inactives just seems suspicious to me. Scum aren't a threat???? I know where my vote is going. Mafia slip :o Even if they do not participate in the discussion they still kill two of us. If they're inactive that means that they're lurking and don't want to get in to arguments to put suspicion on them so they do not get lynched. Pressuring inactives will make them active and find out if they're actually scum. On May 05 2011 08:24 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 08:22 Forumite wrote:
Of these three, I think we have the least to go on with AirbladeOrange, because he´s only got 4 posts so far. He looks more like a slow poster that made a few scumtells. Could you analyze these posts. So that we can see the scumtells you are telling us. We can't just bandwagon a guy just you say he has 4 posts and had a few scumtells. We need a little more than that. On May 05 2011 08:40 Beneather wrote:
An inactive person is someone who is not posting or participating in actions is your definition of inactive? I really doubt that the whole mafia team is going to be inactive. It only needs one person to send in the kills. Also, the Host would know that the mafia is inactive and would probrably have to restart the game. So when we here inactive we think of lurkers it's the most logical way to think.
His vote: On May 06 2011 09:23 Beneather wrote:
##Vote: Kurumi
My vote's going to Beneather, because he gave absolutely no reason for his vote and jumped on an easy bandwagon. If he starts posting, I'll switch to Jaminz, for exactly the same reason.
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Ok, I've changed my mind.
I think we should save the redtooth discussion for another day and focus on the more obvious ones, like cthsazsa, irish and amber.
Seriously Amber[Light], how hard is it to give an opinion on something instead of listing all the possible scenarios? Your posts are extremelly filled with fluff and very defensive. Your huge ass response for chaoser FoS was not needed at all. All I can read from your post is I'm a great scum hunter, you shouldn't kill me now because I'll have all scum on day 3. Also in this post:
On May 07 2011 07:48 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Once day hits I'm going to post a bit more on the Kurumi aftermath. I just want everyone to be aware that we should not be in panic mode at this point. Mafia wants us to be fighting, trust me it's so easy when mafia can just sit back and relax while the town self-destructs. That lynch is going to compound over the next few days.
You seem pretty sure you are going to survive the night, don't you?
FoS: Amber[Light]
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As interesting and useful as it may be to study who all might or might not be scum based on the posted content alone, I think it is also important to consider why would scum target the three people whom they killed last night.
KillerSoS is not a surprising kill since he had slipped up that he was blue which was further brought to notice by a prominent post by jaiminz and subsequent post by chaoser. This made him a clear scum target. Apart from that, he did not make any strong analysis.
However, the killing of both Jackal and aidnai seems surprising to me. There is always a possibility they were selected randomly by scum but there are some common links between the two deaths. Neither jackal nor aidnai made strong suggestions of being a blue from their posts. The common link between the two was both were confident that Kurumi was obv-town (which turned out to be correct) and both of them did, in fact, suspect Cthsazsa at some point of time.
Apart from this, Jackal mostly spent time tunneling Cthsazsa and made a list of 4-5 suspicious people at the end of night. This, in fact, may be a legitimate reason to kill him if he had fingered multiple people correctly in that list.
On the other hand, aidnai’s death has perplexed me a bit. His three main contributions have been going after Irish, defending Kurumi, and supporting redtooth’s argument. None of them, by themselves, seem strong enough to dictate a kill choice.
Regarding Redtooth
Based in view of these aidnai’s death, I am not sold to the idea that redtooth is scum. The main argument used against redtooth is that he trying to derail town discussion and decrease town activity by trying to enforce a series of rules and standards. Aidnai was the only one who was in complete agreement with redtooth.
If you were redtooth and scum at the same time, and your goal was to decrease town activity by enforcing these standards, would you decide to kill the only person who whole-heartedly supported you on your endeavor.
Apart from the derailing the discussion argument (which I thought of as a valid one), the entire suspicion case against redtooth seems weak.
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Can you explain the series of these three posts. They are in complete contradiction with each other. Care to explain why you thought redtooth was scum, town, and scum again in that order? I have not seen any convincing arguments either way from you for this chain of posts.
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I think people need to think more about their votes. Sure you guys suspect redtooth, but like he said, is he really your BEST lynch for the day? Remember our most important KP comes from our votes. If you do not entirely or at least have a very high probability of thinking he is scum, I'd suggest reconsidering your vote to someone who you think has a higher chance than redtooth being scum.
Today however, my vote is going on Beneather based on 2 quotes.
On May 03 2011 06:44 Beneather wrote:
Really looking forward to playing this game :D lol. Going to be extremely active (:
On May 05 2011 08:19 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 08:13 Jackal58 wrote:On May 05 2011 07:13 Cthsazsa wrote:
Why would we vote off inactives? We should leave them be. If they are mafia, well they aren't that much of a threat to us since they're not participating. On the other hand, if they're a townie then that'll just put a crutch in us. We'll lose a townie, PLUS we'd have wasted our votes.
People insisting that we vote off inactives just seems suspicious to me. Scum aren't a threat???? I know where my vote is going. Mafia slip :o Even if they do not participate in the discussion they still kill two of us. If they're inactive that means that they're lurking and don't want to get in to arguments to put suspicion on them so they do not get lynched. Pressuring inactives will make them active and find out if they're actually scum.
The dude was seriously pumped before the game and even said he'd be extremely active. Once he got his role he became a total lurker. As pointed out by someone else, most of his posts talks about lurkers and inactives yet he does not consider himself being one! Extremely suspicious to me. Seems to me he does not know what to do after getting the scum role and just pretends to be away.
On the second quote, notice how Cthsazsa raised a lot of suspicions as being scum. If we look at it this way, Beneather and Cthsazsa being on the same scum team, Beneather calling Cthsazsa on the mafia slip was like a little reminder from a person on your team. "Hey you slipped better watch what you say next time!" And then who does he decide to vote on at the end of the day? Kurumi! The easiest wagon to go on. If he thought Cthsazsa was scum, why didn't he decide to vote him?
##Vote: Beneather
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@ilovejonn It's funny how you say that redtooth is not really our best lynch for today (and I agree with you) and then go ahead and vote for beneather.
1) The guy has posted very little, so there isn't a lot of material to analyse.
2) He voted for kurumi without any reasoning close to the deadline. As mafia, he would know kurumi was town, so he probably wouldn't do it. Seems like a stupid move as mafia to me.
3) You think he's conected to cthsazsa and they are both scum, so why don't you vote for the more obvious scum cthsazsa?
Do you think beneather is our best lynch today?
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@chaoser are you planning on posting any further analysis about Amber[Light]? I'm torn between voting him or cthsazsa right now.
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On May 08 2011 01:52 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Just putting these here before Chaoser goes on his anti-Amber campaign. I would like to stress that Chaoser is tunneling me. When did I ever tunnel you? I asked you to step up your posting and give better reasons to why you voted Kurumi. Your posts on him essentially boiled down to "I'm bandwagoning cause I'd afraid people will switch votes and get the lynch off of him" when really there was no need to, he was at 13 votes, the closest other lynch was at 4. I also asked, which you then avoided, the question of, since you showed great scum killing abilities in Insane 1 (you even admit this yourself in a post) and so you are valuable, why haven't you given good analysis yet? Also, you said that you lurked a lot in Insane 2 when you were mafia, which is what you are doing here, can you please explain your behavior. Show nested quote +Please stop tunneling Chaoser. I'm not trying to point my FoS onto you, yet. Then you say, stop tunneling me or else I will say you're mafia? How is that logical at all? What do you think about Irish? What about sinani?
Amber has been skimping by on almost nothing and acting very scummy as can be seen in my previous post. As such,
##Vote: Amber[light]
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Yes, I think it is better than redtooth. I've never played with redtooth and I don't know if he is really good at this game, but from the tone of his posts I definitely do not think he is more so mafia than Beneather/Cthsazsa. Reason I voted for Beneather instead of Cthsazsa is because Cthsazsa is actually posting more the more he is being pressured. That will allow us to see if he is indeed scum or something else. My voting of Beneather is based on his huge contrast in activity levels and based on that I feel he is the best lynch for now. I can't say for the remainder of the day that things might change based on more posts, but for now yes he is my best lynch candidate.
Also I don't understand your point number 2. If he said he thought Cthsazsa was mafia why would he not vote him and vote for someone he thinks is town? Once Kurumi flips town wouldn't that look bad for him if he was mafia? And if you think its a stupid move for mafia, are you saying there are 0 mafia on the Kurumi wagon??
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On May 08 2011 03:35 sandroba wrote:
@chaoser are you planning on posting any further analysis about Amber[Light]? I'm torn between voting him or cthsazsa right now.
Yeah, for now, my vote is on him. Waiting for more posts from him at this point.
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Seems to me beneather's wagon on Kurumi was to please the majority of the people in the case Kurumi actually flipped scum, therefore he did not vote on his only explained scum choice, ie; Cthsazsa.
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@ilovejonn no I'm not saying that. I'm saying that cthsazsa was never in any danger of being lynched and kurumi's lynch was pretty much garanteed when he voted for him. If he wanted to avoid suspicion he would have placed his vote on cthsazsa instead. That's why I don't feel it's very likely he is mafia.
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On May 08 2011 03:43 ilovejonn wrote:
Seems to me beneather's wagon on Kurumi was to please the majority of the people in the case Kurumi actually flipped scum, therefore he did not vote on his only explained scum choice, ie; Cthsazsa.
So you're saying beneather's vote on kurumi is affected by him hoping kurumi would flip scum but if beneather was actually scum then he'd already know that kurumi wasn't? I'm confused by this logic. How can beneather be scum if he's basing it on "in case kurumi actually flipped scum"? He would already know?
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Oh, I see what you mean. I've read the post wrong. My vote still stays on Beneather based on huge activity level difference. Until he comes in and posts I have reason to believe he is lurking scum.
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Yes yes. I am getting myself confused as well. = =
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