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Why are making such a huge effort to appear pro-town chaoser?
Excellent question sandroba. I'm sure it's a question that a lot of newbies ask and I know I've asked it so here goes.
In the game of Mafia, yes town should be suspicious of all actions but there comes a point where it's no longer prudence and it's more paranoia. Look at the end of XXXVIII. Even though bum and DrH had proven time and time again that they were townie, at the end of the game, people still threw up weak "What If?" arguments against them. I, myself, was suspicious of Kavdragon for helping townies with his guide posts but was later explained to by Foolishness that Mafia would never go out of their way to do such a thing and when taken together with the rest of his actions, showed that he was clear green on Day 1.
So what I suggest for everyone, and this is what I do, is to open up an excel sheet or notepad and make down every instance you have felt someone was acting "green" or if they were acting "red". Slowly amass said list so that in the end you can have a picture of what people are doing. A player that has done green things all game is more likely to be green than to be red.
So the answer to your question is, if I'm town, how SHOULD I act? If being TOO pro-town is scum-like then well, lol, we're pretty fucked huh? All townies should want to look pro-town, because all townies can should be doing a better job at being pro-town than scum should. If every townie played pro-town and helped to develop a good environment (useful contributing, helpful advice, actively trying to scum hunt, using good logic) instead of one filled with fear, paranoia, and doubt, then catching mafia would be easy.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147475
Go read Ver's guide about creating a good atmosphere here. For insinuating that I'm scum cause I'm acting "too-townie" is ludicrous at best and character-smearing at worst. FoS on sandroba.
@chaos13...please answer kitaman's question about your statement. It's odd that you would say that about being associated with Irish. Townies should in general be ok with associations since they have nothing to hide while mafia don't want to be associated with each other.
FoS List-o-doom
Irish_Punk
sandroba
chao13
At the same time, I'll write more tonight after my final but I expect those people who've been on TL Mafia for a while to be contributing heavily and that means:
Jackal58
redtooth
aidnai
GGQ
Amber[LighT]
kitaman27
ilovejonn
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EBWDP:
So the answer to your question is, if I'm town, how SHOULD I act? If being TOO pro-town is scum-like then well, lol, we're pretty fucked huh? All townies should want to look pro-town, because all townies should and can be better at being pro-town than scum can. If every townie played pro-town and helped to develop a good environment (useful contributing, helpful advice, actively trying to scum hunt, using good logic) instead of one filled with fear, paranoia, and doubt, then catching mafia would be easy.
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I can't really tell if I didn't word it correctly or you purposely missinterpreted my question, so here it goes again. What I find suspicious is not the fact that you are trying to help newbies, which is indeed pro-town, but the fact that you pointed it out in your post. That's why I'm not suspicious of redtooth, but of you.
If your intention was really just helping out newbies you had no reason to say: "Look, helping out newbies is pro town okay?"
What you did was copying someone's behaviour which you felt was pro-town and then made sure point it out.
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So my question was: Why did you think it was necessary to point out what you were doing is pro-town?
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Why shouldn't I point out in my post that helping out newbies is pro-town? In the statement that I made, I mentioned redtooth doing it, not me. I think my posts do a heck of a lot more talking about my alignment than this one little nit-pick.
I didn't say, "look, helping out newbies is pro town okay? OKAY?!?!? NOTICE THIS!!!"
I said, I think redtooth has shown townie behavior and here is the reason why I think so (He was trying to help people).
I don't need to copy redtooth's behavior to be pro-town lol and I don't think our posting has been similar at all aside from the general undertone of "Help new townies." His advice is more general while mine is very much indepth and explanatory. Trust me, I highly doubt mafia would go out of it's way to arm the opposition with weapons that would make their life more difficult. Mafia would rather have half the players inactive and the rest having no idea how to actually play the game.
My advice has been solid. I have shown that I'm not afraid to be connected to multiple people.
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First and foremost, this is my 3rd game of mafia (Haunted, XXXVII, Newbie Mini Mafia). I've been town twice and a blue once.
I don' really have a good read on anyone so far, but I think redtooth and chaoser have both made big posts that kind of say nothing. Yeah, they're trying to stir up conversation, but it also just kind of clutters things up. I've only played 1 game before with chaoser, and none with redtooth. Last time I played with chaoser he also made big posts like those, but they usually had a bit more to say than his do now (last time he was town). I won't vote on anyone yet since I don't really have strong feelings either way.
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Drop Chaoser discussion as scum.
He will be probably shot this night because he is good at Mafia and is staying really pro-town.
It is good to see some lurkers waking up!
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On May 05 2011 00:56 Kurumi wrote:
Drop Chaoser discussion as scum.
He will be probably shot this night because he is good at Mafia and is staying really pro-town.
It is good to see some lurkers waking up!
Why? Why would you advocate dropping any discussions about who is scum? This post stinks like scum.
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On May 05 2011 00:56 Kurumi wrote:
Drop Chaoser discussion as scum.
He will be probably shot this night because he is good at Mafia and is staying really pro-town.
It is good to see some lurkers waking up!
I got a final in a few hours so I won't be posting for a while but this post is interesting. Why should the discussion about me be stopped? If anything it should continue so as to shed more light on people's alliances/alignments SHOULD i get shot tonight. Gotta provide more substance in your posting besides "he's good at mafia and he's acting pro-town" How am I acting pro-town? What do you think about the advice I've given? What do you think about Irish? sandroba? chao13's weird post?
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On May 05 2011 01:00 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 00:56 Kurumi wrote:
Drop Chaoser discussion as scum.
He will be probably shot this night because he is good at Mafia and is staying really pro-town.
It is good to see some lurkers waking up! Why? Why would you advocate dropping any discussions about who is scum? This post stinks like scum.
Agreed. And with that, I'm off to finals.
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EBWDP:
Oh, and same questions to you Jackal
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On May 05 2011 00:19 Eternalmisfit wrote:
I am not too sold on lynching inactives in this large a setup but I do agree that we should keep tabs on who was actively posting and reading the thread.
People who are MIA till this point:
jaminz
VarpuliS
aidnai
Mig
Takuna
Amber[Light]
GGQ
Beneather
VarpuliS - I would like to hear your thoughts on posts till now. You were quite active as town in Surprising Normal Mafia and seems surprising to not see you post much here.
I don't believe that he is necessarily scum but in order to pressure him to post.
##Vote: VarpuliS
A reminder that there is, in fact, a voting thread here. I've seen a few people make votes here but not in the voting thread, and I'm not sure whether or not it's intentional. Votes made here won't be counted, ever. Just making sure nobody is confused!
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You keep doing it in all your posts! Either way I don't feel like you are a good day1 lynch, but I'd like your opinion on this wall of nothingness:
On May 04 2011 23:29 Rising_Phoenix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 22:11 Conversion wrote:
I played in two games, BrownBear's mafia game (if you could even call that playing) where I was town and DocH's newbie mafia where I was mafia. Still pretty bad at this game.
To be honest I really don't have any opinions on anyone atm. I still think there's too many lurkers. The only playstyle I'm somewhat familiar with is Phoenix's since we were scumbuddies in newbie mafia, but he's not posting. Come out, phoenix! Sorry I can't post while I'm asleep >.< Hi buddy! Also what's with all these vets posting huge guides of how to play the game? It's not like we can't read the guides already on this and other sites with useful information. We do need a leader to help lead conversation and we need to be certain that the person isn't mafia. I'm against a "day 1 inactive lynch" Unless we REALLY need to do it. Usually inactives are just disinterested townies, and if we go around lynching random people chances are we'll just hit a townie (simple math says 20% chance of mafia) I also don't see a point in talking about our previous games experience. Really it seems like an easy way to clutter a thread. If you want to see their previous games, go into their post history unless they have a smurf. It seems like we know the people with smurfs so does it really matter? And also isn't it illegal to have two accounts on the site? I feel huge day1 "newbies guides" are kinda useless and suspicious. While we definitely need direction, guides IN THREAD about how to play the game ore mostly filler. Most of what people said have been said are in guides both on this and other sites. I'm not saying it's suspicious but I am saying it's unnecessary and in general a pretty useless post.
This post is the scummiest I've seen so far. He shuts down all ideas as useless, states the obvious multiple times and he even feels the need of repeating himself to make his post larger. He closes it in a beautiful whishy-washy fashion.
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Chaoser,You wouldn't make any effort to defend Yourself if they were onto something,note that Irish backed off into the shadows,while You try to do something. You have two different approaches to play.
Sandroba tries to play the Town Hero,he "has" the sense!
Chaos13 does not know what is going on anymore.
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Oh,also I am voting on Irish Punk.
Funny how he and chaos have 13 in the end of their nicknames.
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kitaman27
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On May 05 2011 01:07 Kurumi wrote:
Chaoser,You wouldn't make any effort to defend Yourself if they were onto something,note that Irish backed off into the shadows,while You try to do something. You have two different approaches to play.
Sandroba tries to play the Town Hero,he "has" the sense!
Chaos13 does not know what is going on anymore.
Remind me, how do you know chaoser?
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On May 05 2011 01:01 chaoser wrote:
EBWDP:
Oh, and same questions to you Jackal
Chaos 13 and Irish Punk 13 are both new to Mafia. They have played a couple games on another forum that were full of entirely all noobs. So this is their first real experience with people actually jumping on anything they say to search for a reaction. As far as their alignment goes I really have no idea yet. If either of them are scum though we'll know shortly. I don't think either of them are capable of pulling off scum without lurking.
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I just note that his behaviour is different from Irish_Punk's and it looks pro-town,because of trying to make party going
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On May 05 2011 01:09 Kurumi wrote:
Oh,also I am voting on Irish Punk.
Funny how he and chaos have 13 in the end of their nicknames.
You remind me of a guy that voted for a player because she was the only girl in the game.
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I just find his activeness into lurking suspicious. Why would You stop contributing when You have nothing to fear of?
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