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Good luck guys! Going to head in to bed a bit early, so I'll make it for roughly half of night 0. | ||
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If you are blue, do NOT claim unless it is absolutely necessary. (ie, you are medic about to be lynched) Be wary of fake claims by Mafia if the cop is dead. Always be confident in your analysis/voting so you don't look like mafia (I had trouble with this in my current mafia game.) Anyways, a list of people who haven't posted yet. 1. pHelix Equilibria 3. HardCorey 5. Sirael We want to hear from you, guys!  | ||
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Lots of discussion here guys... /sarcasm | ||
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On April 22 2011 14:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The game has started now at Night 0. You have roughly 24 hours to discuss in the thread a game plan/whatever you want before the day begins and you can actually start voting for a lynch. Mafia can also communicate privately during this time. You get a 24-hour grace period for discussion for plans/policies/poking inactive. Just because someone didn't die doesn't mean you can't discuss anything =/ but then again, we're all newbies so.. eh. | ||
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never take discussion hours for granted. just saying. | ||
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... though I doubt anyone from EST is awake. Anything you guys think we should discuss? phelix still hasn't posted yet. Come out, phelix! Don't be shy. | ||
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the usual proportion of blues:greens I am not sure about. I think it depends on the host and the game. Posting less is considered detrimental to ideal town environment, where everyone is posting and contributing. Posting does not necessarily mean that one is pro town, however. Being inactive let's mafia blend in and it is why inactivity is frowned upon. Inactivity isn't really a sure mafia tell, but it is considered anti-town/scummy behavior. Lies to catch mafia.. I would suggest reading some mafia games where there were fake roleclaims that contradicted behavior/posts or something like that. Mafia actually falsely role claims often if it will pay off, though it's usually a very heavily calculated move. A usual townie plan just outlines and establishes ideal town environment and some policies (no inactivity, lynch all liars, etc.) I'd start off by pressuring an inactive, who still hasn't posted yet... so ##Vote: pHelix Equilibria | ||
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We have four votes on you already, come. Make a hello post or something then we can move on with our town duties on catching scum. I suggest the rest of you post as well. We don't want to run a lynch the inactives spree over here. Keeping silent also makes you a suspicious character, whether blue or mafia. Come, join the thread! | ||
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##Unvote Now stay and contribute! :D And try not to spam, it's considered anti-town/scummy behavior. People might not take votes because they're not on the computer (time zone conflicts) | ||
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I'm a pretty terrible player, but this is a learning experience. Let's just try our best to learn, yeah?And it really is hard to have a discussion with so many people just disappearing.. So let's start off with some basic questions for everyone to spark up some discussion; I'm eyeing all the inactives right now. DO you think we should lynch an inactive day 1? What are your current opinions of the players in this game? Do you agree with following policy lynches as the game progresses? | ||
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In my honest opinion, cop should check an inactive. It'll turn out to three outcomes, probably 2 or 3 since inactives tend to often be blue roles/mafia Writing in first person, don't take this as me being cop or anything. 1) Confirmed townie. Oh well, let's hope I get a better result tomorrow. I can defend this townie to death because I know he's town. 2) Confirmed blue role. Nice! Now I know who the medic/cop is. I can act very vocal and hint for the medic to protect me or hint DT to check someone I wouldn't check in order to get 2 checks done in one night. 3) Confirm mafia. Well, now I have to tunnel him hard and hope town follows my analysis and lynches him. | ||
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Pressure vote. Who are your scum reads? What's your opinion on policy/inactive lynching? Who do you believe town should lynch on day 1? Do you disagree/agree with any of the opinions put forth by town so far? | ||
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OP has everything covered, usually. | ||
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you always want to check the game specific rules on the OP for day/night cycles btw. and so many inactives.. guess we're going to end up with a inactive lynch like this. sigh, that's not good, but whatever. | ||
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I'm on my iTouch right now so forgive this contentless post. I'm sticking with my vote on HardCorey since he's lurking hard atm, even with me pressuring him. | ||
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thanksI'll be on, but idk how my posts will be since they'll be coming from my iTouch. I'm not sure if I can do analysis, but maybe if I go to a library after school or something I can try. I'll be here though, don't worry. And the reason I'm putting this out is because my play from my iTouch.. well just look at XXXVIII. That was played completely from my iTouch =/ wow this took me 5 minutes to type.. lol. | ||
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1. pHelix Equilibria + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 01:50 pHelix Equilibria wrote: I see the deadline on the rules, but what is the rules regarding votes? Can the town change votes? Before the day is over. With a clear majority coming at me ? Eeek I am scared. Tries to establish himself as a scared townie, imo. Ambiguous statement regardless, either a scum move or an honest town statement. On April 24 2011 02:15 pHelix Equilibria wrote: Thank you sir. I got to say that picture of our town is pretty. That white sedan is mine on the left. My condolences to Qatol's son, really. It is sad to see drug addiction go untreated. ##Vote aScle I want to hear his voice! Attempts to pressure, no content in his posts. On April 24 2011 06:42 pHelix Equilibria wrote: After reading the above posts. I believe the silent ones are the ones to really look out for. I understand the time zone differences. But I would say out of the silent ones. The one that pointed fingers relatively early with no supporting evidence is more suspicious. Phoenix is right, aScle said one thing so far, but then again he looks like he's in a different time zone, so when he does say more than one thing, we'll see. ##Unvote ##Vote Jaminz Regurgitates ideas that have been said by a few other people in the thread. Either a reclusive townie or a dodging scum. No opinion yet since there are such a few amount of posts. 2. Rising_Phoenix + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 05:27 Rising_Phoenix wrote: I was just looking at it mathmatically. I know cop would have to roleclaim for the probability thing to work, but it was more of a probability discussion than a strategy discussion. If cop hints too strongly he's a cop than he's going to get whacked probably since he has the ability to really push people to make a vote. Soft defense of his post with statistics. Though it was baited by some other player, still trying to gloss over the fact that he has almost nothing to contribute. Try to do some analysis! It won't hurt. No opinion yet. 3. HardCorey + Show Spoiler + Hardcore lurker. Dodges attempts at discussion because "he doesn't know what to discuss." On April 23 2011 23:44 HardCorey wrote: So what would you say is your justification for voting on pHelix Equilibria? You know you're right though, not having posted seems like a good enough reason to kill them. On April 23 2011 23:48 HardCorey wrote: Although are we wasting our first kill by using it on a member that hasn't posted? I think someone who is the mafia would probably become more involved earlier. On April 24 2011 00:05 HardCorey wrote: fair enough. group mentality here I go. ##Vote: pHelix Equilibria Those were his last three posts. First off, he contradicts himself in his first post. "Not enough posting seems like a good enough reason to kill them," yet we have the perfect example of someone who is barely contributing to town. Second quote displays his uncertainty. Maybe his scum buddies are not active, so he didn't think about his first post as he was typing it. Third post has HardCorey blatantly stating that he is sheeping pHelix. Then he disappears. Strong scum read on HardCorey atm. 4. FezTheCaliph + Show Spoiler + I don't feel like quoting his posts since over half of them are just vote tallys. Might be a scum move by trying to contribute without actually contributing. You too, try some analysis. 5. Sirael + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 02:50 Sirael wrote: Then i'll make the start. Was outside the whole day chilling in the sun (still 25°C at 8 pm). As this is my very first game, i hope i don't make too many mistakes. Anyway GLHF to you all and let's hope for an interesting game. First post. Goes inactive for a loooooong time after that. On April 24 2011 18:03 Sirael wrote: So, my internet was dead as i wope up yesterday. Couldn't log in for the whole day. I already thought that i'd be modkilled by now  I'll try to give some of my opinions. At the moment, ignoring the actual vote counter, it seems like there are two vote candidates pushed by jasminz. First there's the inactive aka aScle. While lynching an inactive (for whatever reason he is) isn't the worst thing to do, it is by no means the best either. It essentially gives the mafia one free kill in night1. Therefore it should be our number one goal to just get everyone posted as much as possible, simply ignoring the inactive. In case of need we can still jump on him if we don't find a better alternative. Jaminz' second suggestion is basically the same only that Enervate postet a reason why he can't post. When I look at jaminz himself i get a bit confused. He gets in the game saying that he want's to improve his analysis(which he obviously did) and at the beginning of the game he seems quite depressed that there's not much posting going on. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 15:49 jaminz wrote: Should we just start accusing someone of being mafia to get people talking? I don't really know where to start the conversation. On April 23 2011 13:56 jaminz wrote: I don't think he meant we shouldn't discuss, I just think he meant that there's nothing really to talk about yet lol The first time I read those two posts I didn't really notice them but the more I think about it the more it seems like he doesn't want us to post that much. But maybe that's just me... He continues with doing what he joines the game for, analysing. So I guess he's quite safe for now, but you'll never know. I really don't know who I should vote for at the moment, maybe someone can give me a good idea? First paragraph basically explains why he was inactive. Fair enough, as we have a lot more inactives in this game. Very wishy-washy with his opinions. Indecisiveness is something a newbie scum player might display because of their inability to deceive town. Tries to pass off his opinion on jaminz as "confusion." This can be a future set up for his posts. Basically a big wall of nothing. No analysis, hardly any opinion, and a lot of wishy-washiness. On April 25 2011 06:26 Sirael wrote: I thought about him as a possible vote earlier today but I wanted to wait for his reaction. Because he's not reacting to your pressure at all, i'll simply add more. ##Vote HardCorey Sheep. This brings me to a slight scum read on Sirael. Do some analysis or contribute more, please. 6. Freestalker + Show Spoiler + Very strong town read on freestalker. I don't feel like quoting every single post he made, but he prods around and is generally promoting a good town environment. 7. Enervate + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote: If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious. ##Vote jaminz Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm. Incredibly weak and scummy defense after prodding him for inactivity. Basically putting out possibilities that people voting for him might be mafia, just because. No logic, nothing. On April 25 2011 05:14 Enervate wrote: When I said I was about to edit my post, I didn't mean I was trying to change what I had wrote, I meant I wanted to add the second sentence I posted next, because not double-posting is a habit I've had from posting outside of this thread. But here's my analysis: I am pretty sure Fez the Caliph is not mafia because he unvoted me. If he was mafia, he would have left his vote on me because it wouldn't look suspicious since other people are still voting for me. If we were both mafia, he wouldn't have voted for me in the first place. So, 3 out of 9 people (myself and Fez excluded), could possibly be mafia. aScle is suspicious to me because he goes from not posting much to jumping on the vote on me. I'm a convenient scapegoat. Jamin'z reply to my vote against him is interesting. If he was an innocent townie, he might accuse me of being mafia for voting him. But instead he tells me how I can get his vote off of me. Maybe because he knows I'm not mafia. And the only way he could know is if he was mafia. Rising Phoenix's post is also suspicious to me because he says he takes time to make thoughtful posts but also says he's too lazy to count the votes. And here's some good faith, I'll try and tally the votes. Phelix Equlibria - 1 Enervate -4 ascle -1 jaminz -2 hardcorey-1 (This actually took me a really long time lol. It's kinda hard with all of the unvotes. I think it's accurate, though.) Trying to contribute without actually contributing. They wasn't an ounce of analysis in his posts, just some opinions here and there. Add to the fact that he's vote tallying like everyone else is, trying to seem like he's contributing. On April 25 2011 07:18 Enervate wrote: Ok I guess I will follow the trend of voting for inactives as well. ##Unvote ##Vote HardCorey Sheeping, plain and simple. Try to explain your reasoning. Is it a pressure vote? Did you like the case against that certain person? Sheeping is generally frowned upon here and is considered anti-town(not necessarily scummy) behavior. 8. Conversion + Show Spoiler + Case against myself..? =p 9. Jaminz + Show Spoiler + Another player I have a strong town read on. Just look at the first major post in this thread. 10. vyro + Show Spoiler + Really inactive. Dodgy when he isn't. 11. aScle + Show Spoiler + Also another inactive. Pops up here and there and tries to blend in with town, imo. On April 24 2011 22:34 aScle wrote: And who exactly are these inactives you speak of? Pretty much everyone so far currently has made a post/posts indicating that they are in fact active. Might be a move trying to soft defend inactives. No read yet. | ||
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I still think HardCorey is the best lynch here. | ||
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Ideal town environment so mafia has to get involved. Most likely newbie mafias won't want/know what to do, so. Hopefully Corey will get lynched today. And it's okay to mislynch day 1. Most day 1s don't end up with a mafia lynch anyways. | ||
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Corey, on the other hand, is either lurking or not caring about the game. Both are detrimental to town, mafia or not. Since Enervate actually replied, albeit scummy replies, I have a feeling we will get a stronger read on him later on in the game. That being said, I encourage EVERYONE to post something useful to town. We can't have mafia blending in the background and 2-3 really active townies (jaminz/me/free). Mafia will just pick us off and town's inactivity will lead them to defeat. Let's start setting up an ideal town environment now so it doesn't screw us over later on. Don't let inactivity beat us. Does the night end at 1 AM EST? (Roughly 14:00 KST) | ||
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and you're right vyro, I probably got a little carried away in my analysis. But this is how the game should be played. We're all relatively new; just because inactives don't put in the effort to try and be better at the game does not mean people who are trying (ie, me) are going to drop the regular scum reads because of their relative newness. And the key difference between you and some other inactives' behavior and HardCorey's behavior is that he just disappeared. That means he's really being detrimental to town if we ever do get into a LYLO/MYLO situation and we have to second guess. He's not beneficial to town in any way possible and it's not a bad idea to get rid of him with all the inactives running rampant. This ties in with the reason I don't want to vote for Enervate. He actually replies, so we can get a stronger read on him as the game goes on. If you have a better argument for someone else, by all means post your analysis. I recommend, however, that you don't sheep someone and state your reasoning on voting for x person. | ||
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Each to his own, I guess. I'm sticking with HardCorey. | ||
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Don't get too taken aback by this guys. Blue roles don't win games, effective discussion and lynching win games. Blues being sniped/mislynched kill town morale, but an active town > blue roles. Remember, blues should only supplement town's analysis and lynches. Extremely disappointed at HardCorey's play though. sigh. | ||
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Medic should use his power at his own discretion. Discussing during the night is generally frowned upon, unless it is analysis (I think Ver does this). Feel free to discuss whatever, I'm going to hit the bed. Sooo tired. Let's hope we catch scum on our next lynch. | ||
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Good night, guys! | ||
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Does night end at 11 PM EST? | ||
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I think it's a good 24 hour discussion period; others don't think it's that great. It's completely opinion based. | ||
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I'm going to school right now (spring break's over). I'll probably drop by a library to make a case against Sirael, Enervatw, and vyro after school | ||
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I'm 100% going to a library tomorrow (closed today, fml) to do some analysis. I hope no one gave up yet =/ Stay active! Bait people to talk and all that. FoS on Enervate and Sirael right now. Enervate for his rather poor, scummy defense and Sirael for hardcore lurking. | ||
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This is from my previous post. 7. Enervate + Show Spoiler [Old analysis] + On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote: If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious. ##Vote jaminz Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm. Incredibly weak and scummy defense after prodding him for inactivity. Basically putting out possibilities that people voting for him might be mafia, just because. No logic, nothing. On April 25 2011 05:14 Enervate wrote: When I said I was about to edit my post, I didn't mean I was trying to change what I had wrote, I meant I wanted to add the second sentence I posted next, because not double-posting is a habit I've had from posting outside of this thread. But here's my analysis: I am pretty sure Fez the Caliph is not mafia because he unvoted me. If he was mafia, he would have left his vote on me because it wouldn't look suspicious since other people are still voting for me. If we were both mafia, he wouldn't have voted for me in the first place. So, 3 out of 9 people (myself and Fez excluded), could possibly be mafia. aScle is suspicious to me because he goes from not posting much to jumping on the vote on me. I'm a convenient scapegoat. Jamin'z reply to my vote against him is interesting. If he was an innocent townie, he might accuse me of being mafia for voting him. But instead he tells me how I can get his vote off of me. Maybe because he knows I'm not mafia. And the only way he could know is if he was mafia. Rising Phoenix's post is also suspicious to me because he says he takes time to make thoughtful posts but also says he's too lazy to count the votes. And here's some good faith, I'll try and tally the votes. Phelix Equlibria - 1 Enervate -4 ascle -1 jaminz -2 hardcorey-1 (This actually took me a really long time lol. It's kinda hard with all of the unvotes. I think it's accurate, though.) Trying to contribute without actually contributing. They wasn't an ounce of analysis in his posts, just some opinions here and there. Add to the fact that he's vote tallying like everyone else is, trying to seem like he's contributing. On April 25 2011 07:18 Enervate wrote: Ok I guess I will follow the trend of voting for inactives as well. ##Unvote ##Vote HardCorey Sheeping, plain and simple. Try to explain your reasoning. Is it a pressure vote? Did you like the case against that certain person? Sheeping is generally frowned upon here and is considered anti-town(not necessarily scummy) behavior. + Show Spoiler [New Analysis] + On April 24 2011 05:18 Enervate wrote: Ok I'm checking this thread now. I don't have that much time to check this thread on the weekends. I usually check during class. Don't vote for me. This screams template for his future behavior (lurking, etc.) He doesn't even make any substantial posts AT ALL after he states this. You would think a town would want to clear himself after you almost got lynched, but this is basically the image Enervate is trying to feed town (inactive, busy). On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote: If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious. ##Vote jaminz Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm. He's actually contradicting himself here. Take his words, "vote for other people?" Guess who he voted? A townie. jaminz, just to try and get the town's attention away from him. A bunch of useless logic trying to dictate town how mafia would act. Why would town care how mafia would act? We're all newbies, we don't have a strict sense of someone's mafia meta here. And out of the "3 people" that voted him, he votes jaminz, the one who is pressuring him the most and probably (number of games wise) the most experienced. Very suspicious On April 27 2011 01:28 Enervate wrote: Ok I thought we weren't supposed to post in this thread during the 24hr night. Interesting turn of events. Right now, I get the feeling vyro might be mafia. He made his response to Jaminz's death really quickly, and tried to explain how the mafia could be framing him before anyone even accused him. This all coming from a player that says he is really inexperienced. I also think Rising_Phoenix might be mafia. I'm least likely to be killed by the mafia since everyone thinks I'm mafia. And they want me to get lynched. No one has tried to defend me yet or even divert suspicion from me, so I think that should suggest to you I don't have ties with any other players right now, like mafia would. More thoughts to come in about 4 hours. First paragraph basically says "Okay, here's another excuse that I'm lurking hardcore and now I'm trying to pass it off as my lack of comprehension. Let me accuse other people without making any analysis and point fingers so you guys try to get your attention off of me." And newbies tend to respond quickly to any pressure on them, so your argument of "coming from a player that is really inexperienced" does not work. If anything, this would brand him as a newbie townie since mafia wouldn't carelessly reply on a whim. Second paragraph repeats the same thing he did in the first paragraph. His last line is golden. He promises to post more thoughts in "4 hours" but never does. He obviously wants to get by town's lynch by contributing the least possible amount. If he isn't scum (99% he is) I don't know what guides he's been reading. This is some uncharacteristically poor town play in that case, even for a newbie. Verdict - Scum | ||
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This guy is scum. Lynch him. ##Vote: Enervate | ||
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The logic was that you should be able to point out mafia simply by analyzing posts. Think about this game. We're not learning how to depend on cop to try to scumhunt, we're trying to hone our analyzing and discernment skills in order to improve. That's why I was pressuring EVERYONE to be active, or at least post regularly. In that case, the most suspicious player will arise from DT/Cop's judgement. Obviously failed due to rampant inactivity, even up to now. Even the most active/experienced mafia will slip if he posts too much, therefore we can point out inactive mafia much easier with cop's power. If the said active mafia goes inactive, lurks, and makes dodgy posts... well, there's your lynch. This is why I said check an inactive. Also, the iTouch thing is in case someone like free asks me to do analysis. I'm taking time out of my personal life to go to a library to make longer posts and analysis to benefit town. It's just to clarify that I can't make long posts/analysis etc. Don't read too much into it. | ||
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2 mislynches already. Sighh. And don't quit mafia enervate! Come back whenever you have time | ||
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But this inactivity is really pissing me off.. I thought we'd have people to, you know, try and actually play and improve. Looks like this would have been the ideal situation. And Sirael didn't even vote(?) Fuck. At 4:3, every vote counts. How are we going to ensure a mafia vote if people just sheep and someone doesn't even vote? GG town, I'm done making useless analysis posts. I'm just going to vote on gut feeling starting day 3. | ||
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2. Rising_Phoenix 3. HardCorey 4. FezTheCaliph 5. Sirael 6. Freestalker 7. Enervate 8. Conversion 9. Jaminz 10. vyro 11. aScle | ||
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HardCorey lynched Night 1 jaminz shot Day 2 Enervate Lynched Night 2 Sirael modkilled, Vyro shot. Total casualties: 5 6 people remain, 3 are mafia. Looks like GG town. =/ | ||
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too late.GG town. inactivity was the death of you, tbh. =/ | ||
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there'a our quicktopic if anyone cares. we revolved our plan around shooting jaminz and freestalker and winning off town inactivity.  | ||
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Hope you guys play some other games here! | ||
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