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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On April 27 2011 06:47 Ace wrote: I'm not sold on lynching lurkers yet. I feel as if we've got more than enough information in 15 pages to do some suitable scum hunting. Well, convince me.....otherwise, this looks scummy as fuck. | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
Ace -- ofc. Never played with you, but everything I've read makes you seem like a strong player Jacakal -- very disruptive style of play, ever since insane 2 I've been thinking he could be really good on a scum team if he played right Tackster -- Partially because it'd be funny to make jackal bus him, and partially because his more calm and straightforward style of play would counter the more argumentative/'you suck' style coming from ace/jackal. Diversity is good afaik | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 27 2011 06:56 Zorkmid wrote: Well, convince me.....otherwise, this looks scummy as fuck. convince you of what? Over half the players in this game have posted at least one post of substance. Good - now you can scum hunt. Trying to lynch lurkers on Day 1 isn't always a good idea and depending on the setup is quite foolish. This is one of those setups. If you're an Agent lurking doesn't benefit you nor does it hinder you. It's not a scum tell and even in normal setups it isn't a scum tell. On April 27 2011 06:54 sandroba wrote: I would like to suggest you post your info right now, so it can be relevant to the current lynch. If you post it in a few hours, it's gonna make no difference, at least for today. There was enough time already for anyone willing to answer your questions to have done so. It's not relevant to the current lynch. It's relevant for Night 1 actions though. Don't worry it'll all make sense soon. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Let me clarify about scum tells since I know the inevitable is going to happen where someone ends up arguing a moot point. Day 1 scum tells are usually very weak. It takes either a monster slip, a role or information that can act during the day, or generating some discussion that ultimately splits the players into groups where there is a strong possibility that Scum is stuck in one of them. Lynching lurkers on Day 1 does none of this especially when the case against them is "you haven't posted enough". This would be fine if it happened in a newbie game since they tend to do ridiculous things like this because they don't know any better. Is this a game full of newbies? No. So pretty much everyone here knows that blatantly lurking as Scum on Day 1 would result in a suspicious looks. Secondly, and this is really important: There is no pressure on any of the lurkers to post Day 1. Remember what I said about information? Has any role information been created since the OP was posted that involves these lurkers? No. So it's not like they are running away from an accusation. So trying to lynch lurkers because you think they are Scum is a waste right now. If you want to lynch lurkers on the premise that they won't help us later on in the game then hey - go for it. But trying to point to them and say they aren't contributing so they are most likely scum is old meta. Everyone knows it so it's no longer relevant. | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On April 27 2011 06:20 Eiii wrote: I could, in theory, run through the thread and try to squeeze some sort of meaning out of the 5-20 posts everyone has made so far but I don't think anyone'd be better off for it. I understand that discussion like that is overall a good thing, but at this point I don't feel I could come up with anything that doesn't make me look bad :/ This early game time is by far what I'm worst at at the moment-- without anything having actually *happened* yet I have a really hard time seeing anyone as scummy or innocent. Of your list of three lurkers up there, GGQ is the most suspicious to me atm-- I remember him being fairly active in XXXVIII and very active in Insane 2, but so far he's made four posts, two of which have been about the rules/setup. Trying to chainsaw the lurker label on to me, nice. You literally just gave an explanation for why you haven't posted much, then said I'm suspicious because I haven't posted much. Give me a break. Not to mention, my post count so far in this game is very much in line with my usual play. I always focus on quality instead of quantity. For future referance, though, school's out and I'm working now, so I can only post between supper and bedtime. I'll try to keep activity up, of course, but my hours of access will be limited. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On April 27 2011 00:26 GMarshal wrote: Jackal, I like your accusation, however I would leave tnkted alone for now as if he has a weird role as he claims the mafia is much more likely to hit him You are approaching this like a regular game. Because of the agent mechanic, the other mafia don't know if he is mafia or blue, so they won't risk hitting him. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On April 27 2011 08:27 GGQ wrote: You are approaching this like a regular game. Because of the agent mechanic, the other mafia don't know if he is mafia or blue, so they won't risk hitting him. I disagree, I think mafia are going to hit him anyway, because his role has provided something they can all see as a focus point. Cell agents all vote together for who they want to kill, almost like a mini lynch, with no way of knowing who is scum or town, so they are going to go for people they perceive to be playing the way town would/not they way scum would. What kind of retarded scum would publicly breadcrumb? Therefore the agents will conclude he isn't one of them and kill him, since they know he isn't a member. My thought process if I were an agent at least. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
So my traffic addled brain came up with two reasons. The first one is scum cannot build a bus today because they don't know each other. Except for one. This scenario would put why in the scum camp with Ace as the CL. It's the only bus scum can do. Why has disappeared. Ace has voted me because I'm scummy. The second scenario is this. I was talking to Coagulation before the game started about the people playing. Asking him for his opinion of those that I hadn't played with or played very little with. Most are names I don't know. Coag didn't know them either. But his assessment of Ace was much praise on his ability to play scum. He said he's one of the best. But that was followed by "But his town play absolutely sucks". So now I am torn between two options. I honestly don't know which scenario makes more sense to me. I really do hate day 1. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4222 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
I find it mildly amusing that I posted the names of three people as inactive and all three of them popped up sooner rather than later. Almost as if they were watching the thread... Ace, you say that lurking is "old meta" but I have found that in my experience even experienced players tend to lurk as mafia, since its simply much more comfortable/you are less likely to slip up, especially without a team giving direction/help I think many of these players might decide to lurk, or at least be mildly inactive. You seem to think jackal is scum, is there any other player you think is likely to be mafia as well? | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On April 27 2011 09:15 GMarshal wrote: @Jackal, Ace is a scary player on either side, mafia or town, his town play is not up to his mafia play, but thats because his scum play is miles ahead of what almost anyone can pull off. That was my impression as well but I think the only time we played together was in PYP II. I was lynched on day 1 so it wasn't very long. I basically sacrificed myself to prove that 1 of the 5 people above me on the draft list was scum. I was not scum then I am not scum now. I see no reason to be a sacrificial lamb in this game so I'm just a little bit irked. Hell the only time I've ever been scum was in LSB's Clues and Puzzles game. You know how that worked out for me. | ||
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Tackster
Ireland429 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
4. You may not vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. Kenpachi and Imprevious need to revote since they voted for themselves. GGQ, Mr. Wiggles, Rean, Eiii, Tackster, and Vain all need to vote or they will be modkilled. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
##Vote: Darmousseh Good night! :p (And thanks for the birthday wishes!) | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 27 2011 09:15 GMarshal wrote: @Jackal, Ace is a scary player on either side, mafia or town, his town play is not up to his mafia play, but thats because his scum play is miles ahead of what almost anyone can pull off. His ability to mislead and misdirect the town is something to be terrified of and if he is mafia we can expect him to be ready to start crushing the town soon, as a policy, every dt in the universe should be checking him. I'm not familiar with his town play other than "from this point forward I'll talk with my guns" and knowing Qatol was mafia in the one were Qatol was the scum mayor, that was the game where he did the whole "posters who are invisible to me" thing too. Overall Ace is a vet, no-one should underestimate his play, town or mafia. I find it mildly amusing that I posted the names of three people as inactive and all three of them popped up sooner rather than later. Almost as if they were watching the thread... Ace, you say that lurking is "old meta" but I have found that in my experience even experienced players tend to lurk as mafia, since its simply much more comfortable/you are less likely to slip up, especially without a team giving direction/help I think many of these players might decide to lurk, or at least be mildly inactive. You seem to think jackal is scum, is there any other player you think is likely to be mafia as well? If every game you go after lurkers then Mafia just won't lurk. We're speaking of Day 1 here and not further along in the game when at times as Scum it is a good idea to lurk. Either way I'm removing my vote on Jackal so no one does anything crazy since I think this isn't majority lynch and you can die with 2 votes on you. Beside jackal no one else is a major suspect to me. And yes my post is still coming in later. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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