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Ok people. Here's the fucking situation broken out into it's various possibilities
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1) Prot is Assassin
2) Prot is Mafia
3) Prot is Blue
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Assassin
On April 13 2011 17:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Let me stress this again one more time.
The only way Protactinium can get a win off this play is if he and Coagulation are the two assassins.
This assumes that:
-Coagulation is an assassin
-There are only two assassins in the game.
I find the second prospect highly unlikely. In the event of 3 assassins, Protactinium is almost guaranteed loss.
I seriously doubt this is a bid for medic protection and honestly I don't care because:
a)In order to get the medic protection he'd have to be correct about Coag. This is a huge gamble.
b)This will still give him a real check on night 2 to use again in our favor, particularly if he strikes red with it. This benefits town.
However this play could also make sense under a third condition:
Protactinium and Coagulation are both red. An early bus like this puts Protactinium in a position where he is trusted and he could simply spend the rest of the game saying he never got another red check while busting out misleading analysis.
I find this very unlikely. Detective is imo the trickiest and worst claim for a mafia to make and he really had no reason to be desperate. If he wanted to avoid getting hit by assassins he could have just made a safe claim that's easy to fake like Veteran or Vigilante.
Mafia
He's either bussing a teammate or he's lying. If Coag flips red, awesome, we killed a read. If Coag flips green we know he's lying. Either way, we don't protect and let assassins deal with it. Cool? If he is mafia, he just died to night kills. Awesome.
Detective
People are saying his moves don't make sense when they actually do.
1) He claims assassin to draw out opposition against him from mafia/assassins
2) He "messes" up the assassin count to throw assassins off. At the same time, he gives a count to take mafia off his back. Why use a KP on an assassin when others will take care of him soon? (even so, it's not like they can do anything anyway Night 1)
3) He checks one off the list that appears of people who are 100% against him
4) He hits red, he tells town. EZ LYNCH
So whether he is assassin, mafia, or detective, all we need to do is lynch coag and don't protect prot for a win-win situation. If he's lying, he'll get killed by assassins since they wouldn't want to risk him actually being assassin. If he's telling the truth, we just lynched mafia, pat ourselves on the back. Either way we don't protect him and let assassins deal with it. Cool?
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1) Prot is Assassin
2) Prot is Mafia
3) Prot is Blue
;_;
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All the detractors really can't argue against
1) Lynch Coag
2) Don't protect Prot
Best Move For Town. Doesn't matter what happens, it removes WIFOM and it catches us atleast one red. If Prot is black he wouldn't be doing this.
If you're going to claim he's doing this all for the lulz then I'mma laugh at you because you're fucking scum for trying to push the point that he's playing a move that's less logical than the situation I've explained.
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On April 14 2011 00:32 GMarshal wrote:
I can argue against it!
Here is why: we have a *confirmed* liar telling us to lynch someone who you think *might* be lying, normally I would argue that we lynch the liar first and take it from there. But you point out that both are going to die is irrlevant, as policy we don't lynch on a liar's claims, period.
This is a waste of a lynch if coag is what he claims, a vet.
I have an alternate suggestion, ignore the two, have a vigi hit coag tonight, if his claim is false then coag is dead, wham we got scum, if he is telling the truth we have a confirmed townie.
In the meantime assassins take care of protac for us, no need to expend a lynch on a situation that is easily resolvable. Instead we can direct our lynch at a real scum supect, like M0nster or AO.
I think this is the best solution to the problem.
lol. Why is it a waste again? We get a 1 for 1. There's almost no way FW is assassin. The chances of him being assassin are so low it's not even feasible in my mind. If he is assassin this is the worst play ever and would only work out in his favor if coag is the only other assassin around.
But even considering that he MIGHT be assassin and that he is making the worst play ever, we don't protect him and it all sorts itself out by end of night. Liars shouldn't be trusted when they lead us into a mindfuck of a situation where the moves we make will have unclear results and the results are varied, some in out favor, some not. In this situation, every result is in our favor if we
1) lynch coag
2) don't protect prot
In that situation I say we do it
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Once again, the rewards we reap from this situation far outweighs the negatives
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At the same time, we should continue to scum hunt and I will be once I finish all my work today
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On April 14 2011 01:01 GMarshal wrote:
Why are you suggesting we waste our lynch? There is litereally no chance of prot/fw being dt. None.
fw is a vet, he knows what he is doing. What "advantages" does he gain from fakeclaiming assassin day 1? he "lures out reds?" He self proclaims his ability as a scum hunter yet he runs claiming a third party wincon? As a dt he could claim dt, get in office and rape scum with both analysis and his dt checks. Instead he uses a convoluted plan?
This is the same experienced player that then last minute voteswings a mayoral vote and gets a known town analyzer killed. A town member who was posting helpfully to new players, as well as analyzing people.
See what he did last day and what he’s doing now. He is gambling on getting med protection. His actions have shown he is in no means a dt. It is anti town to play the way he has and he certainly cannot claim inexperience.
In a setup with a known liar claiming dt and finding scum you lynch the accuser. Lynching the accused tells you nothing about the accuser. You always lynch the accuser first. Add in the rule of Lynch all Liars you have the person you should be lynching first.
Coag has also claimed a role that is provable with a night hit. Shoot him and get a confirmed townie to rally around! Mafia has to waste hits killing him, medics can prot him and we make the mafia uncomfortable. Seems like a better investment than lynching and moving on.
It makes most sense to
Lynch neither of them.
Vigi coag
Assassins will almost deff shoot prot, and we lynch someone that we aren’t relying on a third parties “word” is red.
Seriously is it that hard to see?
Nah yo, if you're mafia then this is the BEST reason to lynch coag. Mafia's best play if coag was mafia is to pardon him. We're forcing your hand if that's the case. Why put off something we're sure of. Why waste a shot on coag when we could use them on other scum?
As a dt he could claim dt, get in office and rape scum with both analysis and his dt checks.
You saw what happened to Pandain when he claimed DT. He was destroyed by town. A DT claim would cause massive scrutiny by all and in the end he would learn nothing. An assassin claim would only really cause scum, another blacks, and a few townies to be against him. It's a brilliant plan
This is the same experienced player that then last minute voteswings a mayoral vote and gets a known town analyzer killed. A town member who was posting helpfully to new players, as well as analyzing people.
If he thinks you're mafia then this play would make sense. Rather have a townie mayor make a mistake Day 1 Lynch than a mafia in office. You yourself even said that you might consider Kav as the day went on yesterday btw. You even said he was acting scummy and posting for the sake of posting with his "help". Are you backtracking that?
See what he did last day and what he’s doing now. He is gambling on getting med protection.
Whatever happens we don't give him medic protect. BAM. Resolves your issue.
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BTW, if you're so fiercely LAL, day one you would have said you were lynching pandain. but you didn't. =/ contradictionnnnnnn
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Also, @Dr.H I'm willing to consider a kav lynch, if you provide me with solid reasoning, I have a 70% town read on kav atm, can you point out what he has said that makes you think he is scum? It dosn't have to be terribly detailed, just the salient points of why.
Kavdragon- He has some really scummy posts, give him a looksee
Kav, are you aware that there is a guide that pretty much covers that?
Also I hate to say this, but that is a major example of a noncontributing post that looks like a fucking huge wall of text imo, because it is actualy irrelevant to the current situation, it in no way helps the newbies choose a mayor or make any major decisions at the moment.
I applaud the effort though, and I agree with the majority of the ideas contained therein
My only worry about you in power kav is that your 3rd party play in insane 2 was so good that Im afraid you could be scum and be getting away with it here.
Look at this wishy washy bullshit. You pepper, IN THE SAME POSTS, positions that Kav might be scum....OR MIGHT BE TOWN. And then you post this stuff:
This is the same experienced player that then last minute voteswings a mayoral vote and gets a known town analyzer killed. A town member who was posting helpfully to new players, as well as analyzing people.
Like you were compeletely against Kav's lynch the whole entire time. Yeah, ok lol
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On April 14 2011 01:44 Barundar wrote:
Will you two stop it please and start pressuring people that are content just letting you fight it out.
"It's forgotten"
- Vincent, Gattaca
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lolol wtf cubed you is dead
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CubEdIn the Nosy Neighbor is now dead.
Pretty sure you are dead Cubed...
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darmousseh the Tracker is now dead.
tnkted the Townie is now dead.
CubEdIn the Nosy Neighbor is now dead.
Pandain the Vigilante is now dead.
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On April 14 2011 02:55 kevconsim wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 02:51 chaoser wrote:
CubEdIn the Nosy Neighbor is now dead.
Pretty sure you are dead Cubed... Why would you want him dead if you are town?
wut lol. I don't want him dead, the day post said he was dead. I didn't see the second post by BrownBear saying that Cubed was AGAIN replacing someone else (Latrommi). I don't even remember who he was FIRST replacing. OP even says Cubed is dead lol.
Can the OP be updated to show that Cubed isn't dead, who is actually dead, and who Cubed finally replaced?
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Killing coag gives us no information, and I as a policy don't lynch for information, I lynch scum!
If lynching coag gives no information, how does that contradict with your policy stance of not lynching for information?
Sure theres a .001% possibility fw is a dt, but lynching coag proves nothing at all! even if coag flipped red, we still would have no idea whether fw got lucky/great analysis or if he is an actual DT, he has *lied* copiously, *nothing* he says can be believed.
More like 70% DT in my books based on what I'm reading in thread but besides that, are you saying that coag flipping red and us lynching him is NOT a good thing?
You know, I've done a decent amount of analyzing people's posts and I remember you were all for that in Insane 2 and not getting caught up in plans and whatnot. Why don't we let town decide and you can go analyze someone. I really want to see some.
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On April 14 2011 07:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 07:38 M0nsterChef wrote:
If we lynch coagulation and he flips green, then do we automatically lynch FW?
Also: which people do you guys think deserve dt/ tracker checks? It won't matter because he will die to assassins on Night 2.
That way we don't even have to waste a KP, lynch on him =D Blacks will take care of it for us just because there's a very high chance he's BLACK if Coag flips green.
If Coag flips red then yayyyy.
Either way we get rid of red/KP from the game
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1. GMarshal pardons coag.
We get two mafia. yayyyy
2. We had one vigi, he is dead.
Generally we try to play as if there are no blues. Blues help town win but town only wins by pulling it's own weight.
3. Flamewheel is bussing coag and if the stories I hear about his analytical skills are true, he proceeds to mislead the town all the way to a mafia win.
We don't protect him come night, he dies to assassins either way since they don't want to take a chance. Red either just lost 2 reds, 1 black just exited the field, or it's a 1:1 trade. (1:1 trade is actually bad for town in this case since a blue DT Prot would greatly help town but we can see when the time comes)
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a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue
b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS
c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal
d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST.
I did all of these too. Why don't you...
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(you have no idea how long I actually wanted to use that picture)
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