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On April 14 2011 05:04 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 04:57 ilovejonn wrote:
Coagulation if you're playing pro-town, please come up with your analysis of who we SHOULD lynch instead. I know defending yourself is important but at least, like Kavdragon, post out all your thoughts when there is a high chance of you dying today. lol. Since when has Coagulation done analysis? Lynch Flamewheel. I don't see any benefit in keeping him alive
That's a wasted lynch. I see no benefit in keeping him alive either. Both scum and assassins have motivation to kill him. Let them deal with him. Let a vig shoot Coag. I'd rather lynch the mayor or the pardoner. Preferably GMarshall. Neither fill me with warm fuzzies.
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On April 14 2011 05:12 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 05:11 Jackal58 wrote:On April 14 2011 05:04 LSB wrote:On April 14 2011 04:57 ilovejonn wrote:
Coagulation if you're playing pro-town, please come up with your analysis of who we SHOULD lynch instead. I know defending yourself is important but at least, like Kavdragon, post out all your thoughts when there is a high chance of you dying today. lol. Since when has Coagulation done analysis? Lynch Flamewheel. I don't see any benefit in keeping him alive That's a wasted lynch. I see no benefit in keeping him alive either. Both scum and assassins have motivation to kill him. Let them deal with him. Let a vig shoot Coag. I'd rather lynch the mayor or the pardoner. Preferably GMarshall. Neither fill me with warm fuzzies. Can you link me an analysis of GMarshal/DocH? Because I'd rather not lynch a mayor this early in the game.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8775164
That's GMarshalls analysis of DocH.
I'll try to find more for you but I'm at work right now. Probably after I get home tonight.
I always explain my actions. Maybe not well and maybe after the fact. But I do.
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On April 14 2011 05:20 ilovejonn wrote:
Oh right, he will die if we don't medic protect him. That means we just need to shoot Coag at night, and for the mean time find someone worthy of a lynch that is not Coag/Protact.
Sounds like a good plan to me.
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On April 14 2011 05:27 Robellicose wrote:
I'm fairly convinced from reading everyone's arguments that coag is red, so I'm sticking with lynching him so we do not waste a vigi hit. I'm convinced of m0nsterchefs scumminess too, but I'd rather the lynch went on a mafia player who's being really active - if the mafia mouthpiece dies, others will have to start speaking up to derail our analysis, and it'll give us some good targets to pressure if a lurker starts speaking up after someone who's been active flips red.
Coag may be red. Entirely within the realm of possibility. What is entirely outside the realm of possibility is the scum team making coag some sort of mouthpiece.
Actually that would be hilarious.
FUCK YOU MORONS!!!!!! I"M SPEAKING FOR THE GODDAMN SCUM TEAM!!!!!!
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On April 14 2011 08:12 M0nsterChef wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 08:10 GMarshal wrote:On April 14 2011 08:06 M0nsterChef wrote:On April 14 2011 07:45 redFF wrote:On April 14 2011 07:38 M0nsterChef wrote:
If we lynch coagulation and he flips green, then do we automatically lynch FW?
Also: which people do you guys think deserve dt/ tracker checks? Why do you ask, are u dt/tracker? How about you post your opinions on anything for once. Do you trust Flamewheel? Do you think we should lynch coag? What do you think of the huge post i made trying to prove to other people you are scum??? You haven't made one post talking about your stance on any issues, come on!!! THIS GUY IS FUCKING SCUM I'm not scum. Wonderful defense, I love how you indexed it and everything so I could easily refernce the different points. Theres a well bodied accusation against you out there. Please try to defend yourself better than this. I'm a tracker. I tracked RedFF and he didn't go anywhere.
You're either scum or stupid.
Alright. I have been gently calling Coag and GMarshall scum since the beginning of night 0. A little more so today.
I gotta believe scum has seen this. Looking over the people we lost last night
I can't quite understand why CubeDin v1 who was just put in the game would have been killed over me.
Same with tnkted. He did a lot of analysis but most of it's wrong because he doesn't understand the mechanics of the game.
Both GMarshall and Coag know that once I start calling somebody scum I don't quit. If either were scum I gotta believe I would be dead rather than Cube and Twinkles (Miss you my love).
Rean didn't post a lot in Insane. I was actually surprised he turned up blue in that game. But his posts weren't bullshit laden cesspools.
Serajatroll is another one I would love to lynch. Neither are town oriented. They both play the idiot card. I would rather see either of them go. Neither are an asset. Both are very likely scum.
I'm going to vote for Rean.
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On April 14 2011 08:29 aidnai wrote:yeah, probably just a newbie mistake. For any others out there--don't roleclaim to defend yourself unless your lynch is imminent. This was a mistake because there are no votes on him yet and there's 30+ hours left in the day. We don't even get definitive info on redff  But it is less likely that he's scum...
Or they're both scum
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Pandain maybe because they didn't know wtf he was.
Or maybe scum were as curious as the rest of us as to what he was.
I dunno.
The only one that makes any real sense at all as far as active townies is Darm.
Maybe they were just randomly searching for a bodyguard.
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On April 14 2011 09:22 LSB wrote:I have a neutral read on Rean, however I'd rather lynch Rean over Coagulation.
I'd rather lynch your mother than Coag right now.
I have the utmost respect for FW and his analytical skills. However he lied. His gambit failed. He lied. His motivations are obscured by his lies. I cannot accept anything he says. And to base a lynch upon his "analysis" or anything else he says is fucking stupid.
I've run gambits before. More than once. Every time I have I fully expected to be lynched for my troubles. I accept that fate if I don't pull it off. I never lied in my gambits. I may have posted things that were unverifiable. I may have pissed a lot of people off in the process but I never lied. The only thing any townie can maintain a hold on is his or her own credibility. If you throw that away you're on your own.
Would you guys listen to Pandain if he called somebody scum right now? (Ya I know he's dead) It's the same thing. We need to move on and push people that are lurking.
Rean
kevconsim
TranceStorm
Eiii
urashimakt
Lemonwalrus
Milkyst
DropBear
The_Roist
jaminz
DarthThienAn
AirbladeOrange
MetalFace
M0nsterChef
Serejai
Mig
aidnai
Conversion
I'll bet you 20 bucks there are 6 scum in there. If not more.
Protactinium has been awfully silent since his declaration. Wtf is up with that.
If he were a DT he would be in here defending his claim
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On April 14 2011 09:26 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 08:57 GMarshal wrote:
conclusion: is the mafia team retarded? or just slow on the uptake? The missed all the good analysts and people with thread presence and went after people who weren't doing much. While im glad the missed all the people posting alot of analysis, I have to suspect that they don't enjoy a very strong leadership.
This bit was particularly interesting. The only reason I can see for being openly rude to the mafia team is in trying to endear yourself to the town. A townie could have reason to do this, sure, but I find it would probably come more naturally to someone who felt obligated. It's also interesting because, as night fell, you came out with a pretty specific list on who you wanted blues to go to work on. When no one really responded to it, you attempted to prompt responses to see whether other people were in agreement. I felt that was really anti-town because it would help mafia know who to avoid wasting KP on or getting caught killing/drugging, and who to hit: the "less important" individuals. I think it might be worth noting.
I'm openly rude to scum all the time.
Fuck you scum.
See.
Occasionally I've been rude to fellow townies as well.
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On April 14 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote:
Oh that reminds me I still want famewheel to respond to my question of what was the exact result he got back for coag.
Jackal, I propose we pressure the following five:
TranceStorm -because one of the dead suspected him
AirbladeOrange - because I think he comes off as scummy
Mig
jaminz
kevconsim
then if we get responses that satisfy us we move onto another set of five.
I don't thing half of them understand the concept of pressure. Either with votes or FoS in the thread.
Hell jaminz and Mig might end up getting modkilled.
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On April 14 2011 13:18 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 13:14 Protactinium wrote:On April 14 2011 13:11 chaoser wrote:
Everyone switch your votes to GMarshal, otherwise he will pardon Coagulation and this lynch is going to be wasted.
...did you...did you really just say that? You're switch targets from the person you "checked and flipped red" to GM? If GM pardons Coag we still get two mafia. Man...losing trust very very fast lol That's not the thing. Look at how far out the Mafia team, GMarshal included, is willing to stick their necks to save Coagulation. Who are these people you are referring to that you believe to be mafia?
I would also like to know that.
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On April 14 2011 23:24 CubEdIn wrote:
/facepalm as to how lynch got horribly derailed.
Guys. Keep it together.
Keep it together where?
On Coag?
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On April 15 2011 00:45 Barundar wrote:I don't like that you refuse to have an opinion on coag either. Like chaoser said, him lieing or not holds no relevance for his case.
Bullshit. It makes everything he says suspect. As far as I know he pulled Coags name out of his ass.
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On April 15 2011 01:06 Barundar wrote:
@GM Doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on him, coag's meta is no where as solid as a player like Ace. You just ignored that I critized your analysis of AO and went on a rant about coag, I guess you are more touchy on the last issue?
@Jackal Yeah we don't have to believe his DT claim. His arguments are like any other arguments though, you either agree or disagree. LSB lied so much in last game that I stopped looking at the arguments against chaoser and just wanted him dead, which turned out to be a huge mistake as you know.
I know. And I'm waiting for somebody to tell me how hard I'm defending Coag. I'm not defending Coag.
I'm completely dismissing what Proact says. He has an agenda that is neither town nor scum. I honestly have no idea what we get lynching Coag. I just feel that doing so furthers the agenda of another unknown quantity in Proact and I think we should all avoid it.
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On April 15 2011 01:25 Barundar wrote:@Jackal: You have solid argumentation and clear opinions so far. I guess the moment you aren't obvious town we should lynch you asap  . I agree with your argument, my counter argument would be: But why did he pick out coag? He must believe in his case. That makes it worth listening to. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that one.
Sorry. You'll have to wait for another game.
As far as picking Coag goes - My best guess is you pick the guy nobody can analyze to further your DT claim.
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On April 15 2011 04:47 Rean wrote:
Why, are you letting your scumbuddy's revenge-kill? That's just BM man :<
You tell us. What are you guys going to do tonight?
Seriously. If Coag flips green or blue I'm gonna mount your ass on my wall as a trophy.
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On April 15 2011 04:55 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 01:23 GMarshal wrote:On April 15 2011 01:06 Barundar wrote:
@GM Doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on him, coag's meta is no where as solid as a player like Ace. You just ignored that I critized your analysis of AO and went on a rant about coag, I guess you are more touchy on the last issue?
@Jackal Yeah we don't have to believe his DT claim. His arguments are like any other arguments though, you either agree or disagree. LSB lied so much in last game that I stopped looking at the arguments against chaoser and just wanted him dead, which turned out to be a huge mistake as you know. Well what am I going to say about your criticism of my arguments? You brought up no real points other than its "bashing" not much I can reply to that, now is there? I could argue the point, but anyone who reads the analysis can come to their own conclusions, there's no need for me to get upset over it ^_^ I dont follow what you are implying about coag's meta, as far as I know every game I have played with coag he has played exactly the same. Either way, its irrelevant, we are either going to hang him today or have him shot tonight, that will clear up the situation wonderfully. In regards to protacs arguments, which seems to be what really concerns you; find that much of what protac says seems to make sense to me, his arguments are persuasive, I even agree with some if his points, and then I remember it coagulation I'm talking about, the guy who ten minutes into the day in Guts and Glory suicided into our medic, the guy who claimed medic to LSB in XXXVII based only on his gut. So yes, I do find the liars arguments persuasive, fw is a great poster and I find his analysis to be excellent, if he had tried this on almost any other player I would probably be waving a pitchfork and going for the lynch of his chosen target. Is that enough of an opinion for you? Anyway I'm done discussing coag, if you guys want to lynch him then do so, otherwise a vigi will shoot him tonight (assuming we have any around). I'm off to class, I'll be back later to scumhunt. After refusing to address my actual points, the pressured pardoner finally concedes that the analysis is strong. Yet he doesn't want to vote Coagulation. This is a mafia who doesn't want to commit to bussing a teammate. Anyway, due to the lack of votes for GMarshal, I'm going to switch back to Coagulation. When GMarshal pardons though, don't be surprised.
If GMarshall pardons coag we have two successive lynches lined up. 1 if we have a vig with half a brain. Plus you'll be gone. Town win-win-win.
Pardon him GMarshall.
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On April 15 2011 08:31 TranceStorm wrote:
I just got back to this thread, and jesus christ I have missed so much. Personally, I feel that Serejai is definitely mafia because of his almost complete lack of comprehension in his posts. If you read his comments in some other threads, they seem rational and well thought-out as in he was definitely trying to understand the situation at hand. Here, however, he doesn't act like he's actively trying to understand whats going on and blatantly makes statements that defy logic What motivation would he have for doing so if he were town?
From my cursory glance at the thread, no one has seemed to step up and deny that Serejai is probably a mafia, but everyone seems to glide over the issue to focus on other lynch targets. I think this is currently misguided, we can't know for certain if any of those people are mafia or not so we should wait for a few more night actions. On the other hand, we have an almost guaranteed mafia in the form of Serejai. The likelihood that Serejai is mafia is far greater than that of any of the other players, each of whom seems to have lots of supporters and detractors.
Coming from a guy that makes the minimal amount of posts.
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On April 15 2011 08:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 08:37 TranceStorm wrote:On April 15 2011 08:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 08:31 TranceStorm wrote:
I just got back to this thread, and jesus christ I have missed so much. Personally, I feel that Serejai is definitely mafia because of his almost complete lack of comprehension in his posts. If you read his comments in some other threads, they seem rational and well thought-out as in he was definitely trying to understand the situation at hand. Here, however, he doesn't act like he's actively trying to understand whats going on and blatantly makes statements that defy logic What motivation would he have for doing so if he were town?
From my cursory glance at the thread, no one has seemed to step up and deny that Serejai is probably a mafia, but everyone seems to glide over the issue to focus on other lynch targets. I think this is currently misguided, we can't know for certain if any of those people are mafia or not so we should wait for a few more night actions. On the other hand, we have an almost guaranteed mafia in the form of Serejai. The likelihood that Serejai is mafia is far greater than that of any of the other players, each of whom seems to have lots of supporters and detractors. I think Serajai is definitely town aligned. I have an issue with Serajai that must be resolved with the mod first though. Really? If you read his posts, they just seem to ignore all possible notions of logic meaning that he is deliberately putting on this facade of being new. No person would ever say that they believe that someone is correct because their icon is that of a DT unless they were deliberately acting in an illogical fashion. Yes, I think he is town aligned. No one is taking his posts seriously, he isn't doing anything to affect the lynch/mislead town, he's essentially just posting jokes. It's hard to read that and I think there are bigger fish to deal with. i.e scum actively trying to mislead lynches/town i.e lsb
Entirely within the realm of possibility. I have had a feeling since roles went out that coag was scum. If coag is I think it's pretty certain GMarshall is as well. The only thing that pisses me off is this whole thing has been orchestrated by somebody with a 3rd agenda. And I don't know for sure exactly wtf it is. I feel like I'm back in insane. I also feel like I'm being manipulated. Goddamit Flamewheel. Why did you have to go and pull a Pandain. 
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