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On April 11 2011 08:42 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 07:49 kevconsim wrote:
I think i have decided that the safe bet is too put gmarshal in their.
##Vote Gmarshal for mayor Oh yeah that just happened throwing it out there right now I THINK GMARSHALL IS SCUM, as well as a number of his voters including M0nsterChef, Kevconsim and Original name, although everyone in my first gmarshall vote count post is officially fos by me
I agree that all the random votes on me are fishy as hell, especially M0nster, they seem to me to be no effort votes. However concluding I'm scum from that is a bit of a stretch, no?
I mean by all means analyze the hell out of those votes, but if I were mafia my team would be voting for me at the last minute, and only after I saw their post listing "10 reasons why GM is a good mayor", certainly not these throw away votes.
Either way, please by all means analyze both my posts and the people voting for me, if nothing else you should realize I am playing to my usual town standards
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On April 11 2011 09:03 redFF wrote:
Care to tell me why you have so many votes by people providing little to no reasoning.
If I knew I'd tell you, look at my last post though.
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Oh, and I forgot, a huge deadly poke at all the inactive players, especially those who have only 1 or 2 posts to avoid being mod killed, need I remind you that if you don't post you are aiding and abetting the enemy and that constitutes treason, and I will hang you for it.
Don't make me actually go through and find your names, because I will... and you'll be sorry
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On April 11 2011 09:41 Kenpachi wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuys. dont ignore me and tell me how im lurking and shit  .. So, how many Assassins are in the game? Maybe if Protact dies, 1 less assassin for the remaining to hunt. Its beneficial for townie in a game with less KP.. I think Kita makes a good point about Protact in the late game (not too sure if it was mentioned before but it just struck my mind) Im going to go with GM cause im a sheep ![[image loading]](http://www.undertheiceberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/Sheep.jpg)
This vote makes me unhappy, I dont want sheep in the town, you dont send out sheep to fight wolves, you send out other wolves.
So please kenpachi, can you justify your vote in some way other that "I is sheep" ?
Also while we are at it, do you have any major scum reads at this point?
don't be a sheep, be a wolf
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A fair defense sir. I'm not accusing you of being scum yet, but I do suggest we keep our eye on you. Still thanks for taking the time to write a response to my accusations, nothing is more bothersome than when someone just blows them off and fails to respond ^_^
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First of all, let me say that those of you saying that you aren't voting for me because I have votes are being silly, but w/e. I'm playing to my usual town abilities, and while I may not be the best I assure you I am town. While you guys may find my PbP analysis of wiggles, lackluster, im at least trying to find scum. Also those of you linking me to ON and M0nsterChef are being stupid, they voted for me, for who knows what reason. I'm willing to lynch ON on the provided analysis, since it seems solid and he fits the description of the type of lurkers I seek to punish.
If he flips red you can feel free to scrutinize the hell out of me. If he flips green, well then I expect you to reconsider the intelligence of voting Protactinium for anything at all, although by then if the town has been foolish enough to vote him in it will be too late.
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Also Protac you seem pretty adamant that getting Dr.H elected over me is a better choice, because I am "failing to provide analysis" yet I notice that most of Dr.H's reads have been on "gut" rather than actually backed up by evidence.
You seem to be getting a little desperate, afraid to die perhaps? At this point nothing you say should have any credibility since you now *have* to get elected to win and you are going to promise us the moon and the entire scum team if we just shield you. Your actually make Kav's theory that you and Dr.H might be scum together a little credible...not that I believe it, you are clearly the assassin and just desperate to make your gambit pay off.
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So you guys want to lynch ON for information? You do realize that that is absolutely awful play, right?
Think about it, this is DAY 1 people are flip flopping right and left, we are surrounded by new players, they behave erratically so any information that lynching ON "reveals" about them is worthless . Lynching ON proves nothing either way, about me or any other players. If you people want to lynch him because you think he is a red, then thats fine, but lynching for information day 1, with no clearly drawn lines, and not much to go on is terrible, terrible play.
Come on people, lets lynch scum, not townies!
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Alright people, time to seize the reins! We've been arguing in circles and thats allowing scum to hide in our midst, not only are we intimidating the new players, but we are allowing scum to through around FoS and create chaos, this is hurting us as we've been both fostering inactivity and allowing scum to hide behind phrases such as "I support Dr.H because he looks town". These bland statements dont form real opinions and allow scum to hide. People who have been downright insulting to other posters have not helped our case at all (Dr.H, Jackal, I'm looking at you). I'm rather aggravated by this atmosphere of non-cooperation and anger that these players have fostered upon the town. Also its pretty clear that the arguments for who should be mayor have been walked in circles, by now if you aren't aware of each of our platforms you need to go back and read the thread. So in the interest of forcing some of these less... vocal player to respond I've come up with a series of lists.
Presenting GMarshal's Lists of Life
Medic List - These are players who I see as essential to town success, players I think scum are likely to be trying to kill, since I doubt we have more than three medics I'll make the list contain 5 players, enough to avoid overlap, I also wont be including myself in the hope that I will have a couple of bodyguards covering for me, but otherwise throw me on please.
chaoser- it could be that I am just partial to him, but this man has a head on his shoulders, if we can get him into the lategame I would be overjoyed
DropBear- the guy is really new and seems to be trying, ideal target for an intelligent mafia to hit
redFF- I know he is new, but he has been vocal and trying to get the town to do what he feels is right, scum might feel pressured by his being vocal so giving him a shield is a good idea
Tackster- yes, I know he's been quiet, but he was really, really pro-town in Insane 2 starting day 2, so I'm hoping he is just having a delayed start this game
Jackal- yes, jackal, he has great endgame play and people dont credit him enough for it, if I get to lylo I want him with me
DT List -these are the people I find scummy enough to merit investigation, so please DTs send a check his way and see what they come up. Add me if I'm not elected, really all mayoral candidates need a check
Coagulation-He is freaking unreadable, give the man a check
Kavdragon- He has some really scummy posts, give him a looksee
Dr.H- he is hard to read too as he is an usually aggressive player , likely to be the GF if scum though, so take your results with a grain of slat
Pandian- "I'm a DT, Wait, no I'm not!" enough said
aidnai- has been lurking I expected more from him, I would like to know his alignment
Monster- nothing needs saying (i think he is a better target for trackers though)
ON-nothing needs saying
Trackers-trackers are special in the sense that they can track scum and not get a result if the scum isnt being sent out to preform the hit. Any inteligent mafia team is going to be sending out its less experienced, and thus less likely to be tracked players to preform the hits, so even if they are tracked they are less of a net loss for the scumteam. So this list contains mostly newbs and inactive players
Lemonwalrus
M0nsterChef
Serejai
Mig
TranceStorm
Eiii
Monster
Watchers- you guys are like medics who catch scum, so you need to threaten the scum by watching vocal and active players. Look at the medic list and use that
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Oh, and I just realized something, kitaman should be shot by vigis stating night 2 because he is running for pardoner, I just re-read the description and the pardoner is horribly, horribly anti town, it makes the day end on no lynch essentially giving the mafia a free night. I say vigi and not lynch because its too easy a bandwagon to policy lynch someone, it gives us no real information on the lynch.
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On April 12 2011 02:31 TranceStorm wrote:
So GMarshal, according to your plan, if a detective/tracker/watcher found something suspicious, should they claim it in the thread or keep the information hidden? Since there are roleblockers a detective/tracker/watcher who reveals himself will become useless afterwards.
It depends on the nature of the discovery and on the person who makes it, for example if a DT checks a newbie and discovers he is red it should be easy for him to push for the lynch without having to claim, but say someone like ON who already looks bad checks Kav, then if he wants to get him lynched he has no choice but to claim pretty much. Im willing and happy to trade a newb dt for a vet scum. Generally if you discover something press for the lynch and only claim as a last resort
Trackers are going to have an interesting time, if they follow someone to a target and the target dies they dont know for sure what is going on. My suggestion is to hold on to that information and follow the target again, if people who he visits keep dying then you know he is scum. Again I'm rellying on the persons discretion and ability to notice patterns, a tracker is a harder role to use, but it provides more reliable information and can potentially unmask the godfather
Watchers like trackers have a hard time if 7 people visit your target one night, and the target dies then claiming will probably expose a few blues, which would be bad, ideally the watcher watches a hit where only scum hits someone and then has to act like a dt, weight his possibilities of getting the target lynched without claiming. Again this is up to the players discretion, its a judgment call, he has to weigh whether he is outing any blues with his claim and whether its worth the sacrifice.
As for the outrage at my medic list, I want to hear who you guys would rather have on it, thats half the point of my list.
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On April 12 2011 02:36 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:30 kitaman27 wrote:On April 12 2011 02:25 GMarshal wrote:
Oh, and I just realized something, kitaman should be shot by vigis stating night 2 because he is running for pardoner, I just re-read the description and the pardoner is horribly, horribly anti town, it makes the day end on no lynch essentially giving the mafia a free night. I say vigi and not lynch because its too easy a bandwagon to policy lynch someone, it gives us no real information on the lynch. LOL. So you agree with my policy enough to vote for me and now you are calling for a vig shot? You really are a dirty politician  I ran specifically for pardoner because it is horribly, horribly anti-town. If I win, I guarantee that mafia cannot reach LYLO a day earlier. If you want to address any of my stances so far, then I'm open to discussion, but to call for a vig shot without providing reasoning is scummy. Furthermore, your buddy Chaoser ran solely for pardoner too. Surely, you want him lynched too if your reasoning is consistent? HAHA medic protection? Either that post was not well thought out or you have an ulterior motive against me.
Chaoser retracted his candidacy fairly early, and I've been getting a fairly steady town read off of him, you were also the first person to run for pardoner which suggests to me that you realized its power pretty much off the bat, both chaoser and I thought that what pardoning did was get the second highest vote count player lynched, as opposed to just ending the day.
Also you neglect the rest of my post, what do you think about the medic and DT lists?
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Yes, Vig Kita, I'm also thinking about having the pardoner lynched immediately upon seizing power, depending on who landed the role, since it is a free extra night for the scum, no amount of stopping bandwagons is worth giving the scum a free night of kills. I'm still toying with the idea, as it really depends on who lands the role.
Onto what makes me suspicious of Kita, Dr.H calls him out on it quite early, kita makes some very general remarks on the mayorship "scum might run", "mayor is powerful", etc. He then starts tunneling on Dr.H insisting he is scum
On April 11 2011 06:50 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:37 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 06:34 AirbladeOrange wrote:On April 11 2011 06:32 redFF wrote:
We need people who are obviously not going to be elected to either do a large post to cement their bid for mayor with solid reasoning or to withdraw their bids. It seems like the only people have have a chance at winning all fit this description. Do you care to call anyone out or elaborate your thoughts? It's more for later on in the mayoral race when there are people who still only have 1-2 votes. Kitaman hasn't really had any strong support so far and i haven't really see him argue for his candidacy. I'll happily argue anything you want for my candidacy. The fact that I'm not getting support shows that the mafia has no interest in backing me. Why would they want someone who is pro-town, when they could elect an assasson or someone like DrH who is always the center of attention. To summarize campaign for pardoner so far:-We should prioritize pro-towness as our biggest reason for voting for mayor. -I consider myself a pro-town player. With the exception of my single scum game, there have been more than a couple votes against me over a 10+ game period. When I'm town, I'm almost never in the lynch discussion and that's something you want with your elected officials. In addition, I'm not afraid to speak my mind and I've proved from past games that I'm not one to suddenly go inactive for days at a time. -I will argue to sway the lynch against innocents so a pardon is not even necessary. I will only use my pardon in obvious bandwagon situations. I do not believe the pardon should be used on a whim, as we valuable information to analyze. -I am completely against an assassin in office. The fact that everyone thinks we can manipulate an experienced veteran to do our bidding is not well thought out. He does not have the town's interests at mind and should not be elected. He is getting far too much support, which should concern everyone. -I've been backed by GMarshal as his running mate, the person who has received the most votes to this point.
His point that he has no backing for mayor is... lacking... if he is in communication with a scumteam then he can happily make them wait to vote to emphasize this point. Point 2 is decent, but I generally frown on too much focus on the meta. Point three is laughable, all pro-town players will argue against lynching innocents, and here he still maintains he might use the pardon as long as its "no on a whim". His final two points are irrelevant.
So basically he is running on a campaign made of fluff trying to grab a power role, and saying he might make use of it. If he had said he was going to categorically not use it I'd be happier, but it seems that as the thread progresses he is warming up to using it
Every other one of his posts is against the assassin getting elected into office, which is curious to say the least. I agree with his stance on that but he seems deadset against it, dedicating almost all his effort to stopping his election
Theres something off about kita and his attitude towards wanting to get the pardon worries me
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On April 12 2011 03:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
gmarshal what about pandain? he faked a DT roleclaim to get the role of pardoner. he announced in his post (on page 35) that he was running for pardoner, not mayor. why vig kitaman27 over him?
is it because kitaman27 has been on the money with his logic and scumhunting ability or?
Pandian should be vigied too, I assumed that was factored in everyones calculations by now, the only reason why we *might* keep him around is if his blue claim held true, I mentioned I subscribe to LaL, by my account pandian should die too
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On April 12 2011 03:06 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:41 GMarshal wrote:
As for the outrage at my medic list, I want to hear who you guys would rather have on it, thats half the point of my list. Not outrage at all. Actually I'm a bit flattered. But I got ask also - Why Tackster? He has been absent this entire day 1 so far. He may actually be in danger of being mod killed. I'd have to go back and verify that. Dunno if he's posted since the day post or not. But he certainly hasn't posted anything noteworthy yet. I don't get it GMan. And poor Tack might get a complex if he thinks I'm bagging on him. But I'm not. I just wanna know how you can say he's medic protection worthy when he hasn't even posted yet? And redFF. - I don't get comfy vibes from him man. I don't know what it is but he's not town like I'd want town to be. He's more like somebody else's mouthpiece. I'll give him time to grow on me but right now he makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
I thought Tack played a really, really solid game in Insane 2 and I'm kind of banking on him doing what he did there and showing up with a massive pro-town post before the day ends.
Is there anyone else you'd like to see included in the list? Anyone who you think is on one of the other lists who dosn't merit it?
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On April 12 2011 03:20 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +As for the outrage at my medic list, I want to hear who you guys would rather have on it, thats half the point of my list. My problem with it is you list a bunch of players, who are very unlikely to get targeted unless they spilled their role. Mafia hit priority is people who can sway town opinion against them first and foremost, and secondly blue sniping. Inactives aren't going to sway anyone. A bunch of the players you have on the list are not likely to get targeted by mafia, simply because they aren't that active. I do like that you want to use the list as a discussion point, it's exactly the kind of pro town play I would expect from you, but you didn't bring it up like the list was for discussion - I thought it was part of your campaign, and on that side of things I'm much more interested in hearing some names for your lynch if you get elected, than how you will lead the town after you have been elected. I do think it is a good idea to get some idea about who the candidates find are scummy and who they think are town, and medic/dt lists are a great tool for that.
The complaint against my medic list is fair, I put those players on there that from my perspective looked like town and thus were likely to be targeted by scum. The only exception is Tack (See my reply to Jackal). The issue with many of the players who currently hold "town influence" is that they could easily be scum, thats why they are on my DT list. I was considering including some of them on both lists, but I thought this would generate more discussion.
So, who would you place on the medic list? and why?
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On April 12 2011 03:28 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 03:17 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 03:06 Jackal58 wrote:On April 12 2011 02:41 GMarshal wrote:
As for the outrage at my medic list, I want to hear who you guys would rather have on it, thats half the point of my list. Not outrage at all. Actually I'm a bit flattered. But I got ask also - Why Tackster? He has been absent this entire day 1 so far. He may actually be in danger of being mod killed. I'd have to go back and verify that. Dunno if he's posted since the day post or not. But he certainly hasn't posted anything noteworthy yet. I don't get it GMan. And poor Tack might get a complex if he thinks I'm bagging on him. But I'm not. I just wanna know how you can say he's medic protection worthy when he hasn't even posted yet? And redFF. - I don't get comfy vibes from him man. I don't know what it is but he's not town like I'd want town to be. He's more like somebody else's mouthpiece. I'll give him time to grow on me but right now he makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. I thought Tack played a really, really solid game in Insane 2 and I'm kind of banking on him doing what he did there and showing up with a massive pro-town post before the day ends. Is there anyone else you'd like to see included in the list? Anyone who you think is on one of the other lists who dosn't merit it? I'll be honest with ya man. This is day 1. If you want me to put together a list of who I would like to see at endgame I can do that. Unfortunately probably half of them will be scum. You really called it though. I'm much better at this game after day 2 or 3 than I am at the beginning. But I just don't understand how you can say "Tack played well last game so I hope he does again this game" I agree 100% with you that he played well. Hell I should be more aware of that than anybody. I got him lynched. But that doesn't mean he's town in this game. I have seen nothing from him to evaluate or analyze. Wanting him to have medic protection with the info you have either means you're naive or you know his alignment. And there is only one way you could know his alignment.
I was actually kind of hoping that his name coming up would make him post, but you are right, its a really basless call if you only analyze the stuff going on in this game and don't look at the meta. I would remove him, but if I didn't make mildly controversial calls, well then there wouldn't be much to discuss no would there? ^_^
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On April 12 2011 04:00 redFF wrote:
Oh my bad.
You sir, have you seen my list? What do you think of it? Do you believe you merit a medic? Who is on the DT list who needs not be there? And who isn't that should?
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Kita my case on you boils down to this, you've done exactly two things all game, run for pardoner and fight against an assassin for pardoner, while both those things as pretty neutral you haven't done anything else, no scum hunting, no analysis, just those two things, blindly. I thought that a player like you would be hunting scum, not just trying to deny them a role.
And now I put out a list in an attempt to foster discussion and you just ignore it because you are hurt that I think your play is off
also
This is 100% anti-town. If you want to remove the pardoner's power, have him pardon your first lynch. Your method reduces the number of people alive, regardless of whether or not you think he is scum.
you don't say? I always assumed that lynching someone kept them around, isn't the goal of lynching mafia to reduce the number of them that are alive? Do you prefer that if elected I dont lynch anyone and instead hold hands with the electorate and sing kumbayah while the mafia team shoots at us?
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On April 12 2011 06:31 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +Marshal and Dr. H both being mafia? I don't know how plausible that is but it could really throw us for a loop and is something we should keep in mind. I know I don't have sound examples for this but all the major candidates seem to be good players and it could easily throw newer players like myself off. I just wanted to let everyone know I'm trying to think about this and this is what's on my mind. Instead of fear mongering, why don't you tell us why you think either of them is scum? My preference is town mayor and Protac pardoner, but I don't want to plant my vote on a third party in case something crazy happens while I sleep. If kita was actually running for mayor he would be my pick, since unlike GM I find Kita has actively been trying to push inactives and question people. I have to vote before I go to bed, so GM I'd like to hear who you anticipate on lynching if you get voted in. DrH is still (probably) ON?
I'm not 100% sure yet but probably one of these inactive people who are posting without contributing, someone like Serejai who's only post was a troll post with no content or AirbladeOrange who so far has failed to actually contribute.
Kita, I retract my accusation of you, it was kind of a dick move on my part but I wanted to see how you reacted to some pressure, since I felt that you hadn't been subjected to any real scrutiny. Sorry if I made you angry, but I had to see how you reacted to something like my attack. I do think you are acting pro town, and I don't actually want a vigi to hit you, but I felt that I was being passive with my scum hunting and wanted to see your reaction. Once again sorry, but if anything your defense has solidified your towniness in my eyes.
I still want a vigi to shoot Pandain though ^_^
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