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On April 14 2011 13:11 MetalFace wrote:
Prot lied. He either lied about being an assassin or lied about being a DT. I think it's the best policy of the town to lynch anyone who lies. This benefits the town because only townies can tell the truth the entire game.
As for who I think we should lynch otherwise, I'd say Rean. aidnai did a pretty nice analysis a while back. I think our next target though should have more to do with the results of Prot's flip and what happens at night. If Prot flips DT, then Coag will have a big sign over his head. If not, then we take a better look at anyone who supports Prot's lying ways.
Town lies too, and mafia are pretty capable of playing without exposing any lies they might need to make. I'm against lynching FW because we can just leave him to absorb multiple mafia and assassin KP tonight.
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On April 14 2011 14:07 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 13:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
How do you define lynch target? How many votes does a "lynch target" need?
Someone with at least 1 vote on them.
Thanks.
So, I propose that we always keep at least one vote on GMarshal. This means that if he ever pardons, and we don't agree with the decision, we can lynch him. No hard feelings. :p
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On April 15 2011 01:25 Barundar wrote:@Jackal: You have solid argumentation and clear opinions so far. I guess the moment you aren't obvious town we should lynch you asap  . I agree with your argument, my counter argument would be: But why did he pick out coag? He must believe in his case. That makes it worth listening to. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that one.
-Protac is an assassin
-He fake claimed DT
-He picked a person he thought was Red (maybe Black) to analyze
-He was hoping that if he flipped Red, he'd get medic protection because he's a "Detective"
-Everyone called bull-shit on his lie
-His analysis on Coag still stands, but his claim doesn't strengthen it
-If you're just voting for coag because of the claim, you're not playing intelligently (Not directed at you Barundar, just in general :p)
-Keep in mind he might think Coag is black, as if there's three assassins and not four, he can go for a tie tonight, which is closer to his win condition than losing.
-Vig Coag
-Find another scum for lynch
-If no scum can be found, or there's no case stronger than the one on Coag, Lynch him
-In point form for those who apparently don't like reading
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On April 15 2011 01:35 kitaman27 wrote:Suggestions?
I'm personally thinking aidnai might be scummy, I'm going to do an analysis, but basically he didn't contribute any opinions Day 1, besides a bit of back and forth on Kav and then giving Kav advice after he was already lynched, and hasn't done much Day 2 but post a list of new players with not many posts and say "scum" and do a weak analysis on Rean. The rest is just one-line spam. Not sure if people would be willing to lynch him, but I've got my eye on him.
If not that, then probably ON, though LSB has acted more pro-town in my eyes since he's joined, so it makes it a little weird. Serejai is a throwaway lynch.
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On April 15 2011 06:54 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 06:52 LSB wrote:
Happy birthday Protactinium!
And on a somewhat related note, lets lynch him. I've already explained why he's been lying over and over. I have no idea why people are trying to lynch coag.
Would you lose a DT over a Vet? Think about it, Protact is a waste of a lynch. Directs KP (black) to 1 person if Coag is town.
If we lynch coag and he flips red, it says nothing about protact's alignment, and we're likely to be in the same situation regarding him tomorrow. Lynching him is a bad idea too, as we're either lynching a DT (unlikely in my opinion) or an assassin (not so great for town still compared to lynching a mafia).
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That plan by LSB is blatantly anti-town. Switching votes.
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On April 15 2011 09:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:11 chaoser wrote:If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT This is true That's a good point. In fact coagulation being godfather would explain the major save. also I see absolutely no reason for you to tunnel coag unless you're the DT. If you're scum that only makes sense if you're busing him which is still a scum lynch for us. If you're DT it makes perfect sense. IF you're assassin it would have been easier to admit your lie and try a different bid for medic protection. Voting for Coagulation is the sensible thing to do. If you're wrong you're dead in the night anyway.
If coag is GF he would've shown up as Veteran to the DT check, like Trance just pointed out.
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LSB is anti-town. I think he's a sure Red.
GMarshal, I'm 50-50 on.
I'm starting to think Rean is Red.
Coag might be red, I'd like to see a check/vig.
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On April 15 2011 09:23 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
LSB is anti-town. I think he's a sure Red.
GMarshal, I'm 50-50 on.
I'm starting to think Rean is Red.
Coag might be red, I'd like to see a check/vig. I'd rather have a Coag lynch, LSB check/vigi. There's so much defense over coag himself where they're merely arguing against Prot's alignment and not the actual analysis. There's throwaway lines like "he's always spammy, this is how he is" etc. when really, yeah he's spammy, but it's a focused targetted spam. He'd be on someone's ass hardcore. But he hasn't this game. I haven't felt the need to be like god damnit coag, chill the fuck out that I usually do. He's playing different. Pretty sure at this point we all know prot is black and he's going to get shot to shit. Doesn't mean the theory of Coag being GF any less true. It lines up with why people are coming out in FORCE to save him.
Sure, it doesn't make much difference to me. The thing though, is, Coag has claimed vet, so a shot on him if there's an actual vig won't kill him, or will kill him if he's mafia. LSB hasn't claimed anything, and I doubt there'd be a third vet, so any shot on him is going to kill him. If he's town/blue, we lose an asset, if he's red no problem. DT checks are unreliable, because I don't necessarily trust that GM is a detective, and I wouldn't want another "DT" to claim, also not considering that LSB may be the GF.
So:
Coag:
If town:
Shot tonight and he'll live
If Mafia:
Shot tonight, he'll die
LSB:
If town:
Shot tonight and he'll die
If Mafia:
Shot tonight, he'll die
Is how it boils down for me. It depends if we can rely on a vigi also, though. Like I said, I wouldn't rely on "DT" checks.
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On April 15 2011 09:28 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 09:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 15 2011 09:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 09:11 chaoser wrote:If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT This is true That's a good point. In fact coagulation being godfather would explain the major save. also I see absolutely no reason for you to tunnel coag unless you're the DT. If you're scum that only makes sense if you're busing him which is still a scum lynch for us. If you're DT it makes perfect sense. IF you're assassin it would have been easier to admit your lie and try a different bid for medic protection. Voting for Coagulation is the sensible thing to do. If you're wrong you're dead in the night anyway. If coag is GF he would've shown up as Veteran to the DT check, like Trance just pointed out. Yeah, i just realized this. Good call by TranceStorm. Except TranceStorm didn't even fucking read the first 4 words. "IF I'M NOT DT".
And so did Dr. H, or else why would he call protac a DT. I'm just saying that protac is Black, there's no if about it.
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On April 15 2011 09:32 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 09:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 15 2011 09:28 Rean wrote:On April 15 2011 09:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 09:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 15 2011 09:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 15 2011 09:11 chaoser wrote:If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT This is true That's a good point. In fact coagulation being godfather would explain the major save. also I see absolutely no reason for you to tunnel coag unless you're the DT. If you're scum that only makes sense if you're busing him which is still a scum lynch for us. If you're DT it makes perfect sense. IF you're assassin it would have been easier to admit your lie and try a different bid for medic protection. Voting for Coagulation is the sensible thing to do. If you're wrong you're dead in the night anyway. If coag is GF he would've shown up as Veteran to the DT check, like Trance just pointed out. Yeah, i just realized this. Good call by TranceStorm. Except TranceStorm didn't even fucking read the first 4 words. "IF I'M NOT DT". And so did Dr. H, or else why would he call protac a DT. I'm just saying that protac is Black, there's no if about it. and another quality post by Mr.Wiggles once again doing nothing except stating the obvious.
Dr. H was mistakenly concluding that protac was the detective. Before he started trying to use that information to make decisions, I corrected him.
You seem like you're getting pretty desperate about something.
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On April 15 2011 09:53 LSB wrote:
Summary of the reasons why people are being pushed to lynch.
Flamewheel Lied about being DT. Is obviously ainitown
Coagulation Flamewheel said he is DT and check coagulation who turned up red
LSB Defends coagulation. Coagulation was checked by Flamewheel and is red. Therefore LSB is red.
All I can say is wow
I don't care whether or not you defended Coag, but you're pushing a plan that is blatantly anti-town. Lynching Protac is not the way to go about this. He's probably getting shot a whole lot tonight, we shouldn't use the lynch. That's why I'm voting you.
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Anyone voting for protact, please change off, it's a stupid lynch and a waste of your vote.
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On April 15 2011 10:18 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 10:17 kevconsim wrote:On April 15 2011 10:14 Protactinium wrote:On April 15 2011 10:12 kevconsim wrote:
I am a little bit confused right now. SO MUCH ARGUING + I am sick.
Everyone seems scummy.
##Unvote
##Vote Protactnium For being "confused" you sure seem to know who you're voting for...I'd vote Coagulation if I were you. Just go through my posts to see why. Ya know i started by doing that but i dont trust you. you dont trust the assassin and confirmed liar? SHAME ON YOU! You must be scum! horrible, horrible scum! Trust the liar, NOW! or he might tell the town he DTed you and make you out to be mafia!
GMarshal, going on tilt doesn't help you look town. Voting for him has nothing to do with trusting for him. Voting for him is silly. If you don't trust him, fine, but there's no reason to vote for him besides not wanting to take a position.
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On April 15 2011 10:21 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 10:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Anyone voting for protact, please change off, it's a stupid lynch and a waste of your vote. How about me? There are two people up for vote, me and coagulation. I don't want to lynch coag, and voting for myself is stupid
Then pick someone you think is scum. If you think protact is scum, sure, vote for him. But for everyone voting for him because he's an assassin, it's silly. Lynching an assassin isn't very great for town.
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On April 15 2011 10:25 Coagulation wrote:
I Think a pardon would clear this whole mess up.
Pardon whoever gets lynched Me or LSB
And watch assassin flip black tonight.
I can assure town he WILL flip black.
I think LSB is mafia. I won't believe you're town until you get shot/checked for sure.
Protac being black or not has nothing to do with it.
This makes it seem more likely you're scum, a pardon doesn't help us at all.
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On April 15 2011 10:29 Lemonwalrus wrote:
It is at least 3, I will have all the proof you need as soon as it is confirmed that this is against the rules and will get them modkilled.
Smurfs are supposed to have checked in with the host before the game has begun, so if it's true, then BB probably knows about it. Also, aren't strategic modkills not allowed?
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On April 15 2011 10:34 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 10:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On April 15 2011 10:29 Lemonwalrus wrote:
It is at least 3, I will have all the proof you need as soon as it is confirmed that this is against the rules and will get them modkilled. Smurfs are supposed to have checked in with the host before the game has begun, so if it's true, then BB probably knows about it. Also, aren't strategic modkills not allowed? its not strategic if hes cheating.
I guess, depends on if BB knows about it already or not, and what his decision is, then.
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On April 15 2011 10:38 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 10:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Saying this bullshit now instead of trying to help. Vote LSB. Protact agree's he's scum with me so why not kill this idiot now, have GMarshal check Coag and if GMarshal lies to save him then we can nab both.
I disagree. LSB is town. Until Coagulation flips red. Coagulation is THE lynch target of the day. Don't split the vote by voting LSB, that will just let mafia come in and switch the vote to a random townie.
What's the link in between LSB and Coag that makes it so that Coag's flip assures LSB's scumminess? I'm voting for him because he's pushing an anti-town plan, and ON was already scummy looking.
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