EPTIt just seems like such a massive risk to take playing the assassins gambit when you already have such a powerful role.
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It just seems like such a massive risk to take playing the assassins gambit when you already have such a powerful role. | ||
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On April 13 2011 16:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: he has nothing to gain from this as scum it doesn't reek of anything besides you getting lynched He has nothing to gain from this as scum I agree, but he has a lot to gain from this if hes an assassin. In fact this is literally his only chance at surviving. Prot could be 100% right and coag is scum. But the problem is no matter what I feel like the best play for him will always be to role claim dt. However, if he was going to lie and role claim it makes sense that he would pick the person he felt was most likely to actually be scum. So basically if anyone wants to lynch coag that's fine but use prots arguments as the reason do not consider his role claim, there is just too high of a chance that he could be lying about it. | ||
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On April 13 2011 17:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: he has nothing to gain from this as assassin i thought about it. if you are assassin and we lynch you and he hits kitaman27 (or whoever he thinks is the next assassin) he's pretty much guaranteed to be killed that same night. if there are 3 assassins this would result in a TIE the only way this makes sense is if there are two assassins. if protact was assassin he would know that and lynching you is a way to get you killed without letting you take him down as well. That way he can win his game and he is transported out immediately. That plan is all based on him trying to wipe the assassins out in 1 night. But what if instead hes just going to try and get medic protection from us by role claiming dt and hitting a scum? That way he can hope we either lynch or the mafia hits the other assassins while he has protection. And if hes assassin he can use his actual dt check to continue the lie the next night. | ||
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On April 13 2011 17:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: what if monkeys fly out of my butt If he hits a scum and then gets another with his real dt check then what is the problem lol, that's great for us. I agree completely. That's why I am saying if people think we should lynch coag use analysis and use prots reasoning. Don't just rely on the supposed role check which it would make sense for him to lie about. | ||
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I am fine with people lynching coag but I want everyone to make their decision based on reason and not on a claim that has such a good chance of being untrue. | ||
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On April 13 2011 17:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Good now I know you're full of shit. Because I'm the veteran. And unless this is a no medic tons of veterans set-up, there is almost NEVER more than one veteran. Veteran is also the EASIEST and SAFEST fake roleclaim for mafia. bye coagulation  Well that makes it simple. Lynch Coag if he is veteran then the assassins will kill prot and we have to consider DrH. | ||
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On April 13 2011 17:35 Lemonwalrus wrote: he isn't risking anything, he can't be DT checked as long as a bodyguard lives. Not saying he is scum, but if he really believes that coag is mafia this is an easy way to try and influence town opinion to go with him, and it will be an exceedingly long time before anyone would know that his claim was fake. Right but if we lynch Coag and hes a vet it makes it a lot more likely DrH was lying to us. So at the very best the town would heavily distrust him and at worst the town might push for a lynch. | ||
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##Vote Coagulation | ||
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Coag and DrH have both claimed vet. The more likely it is we only have 1 vet the more likely it is that one of them is lying. Coag seems the more likely one to be lying since it would dumb for DrH to take the risk of fake role claiming when hes already in a position of power. Also Barundar mentioned that veterans are generally supposed to be more outspoken so that they can hopefully draw a hit and that seems to be exactly how DrH played. Anyway for now I will leave my vote on Coag. There's a chance he is lying about his role and even though prot is likely lying and is an assassin I think it was still in his best interest to try and call out a red. I would also be fine with having a vig hit coag if everyone thought it was likely we started with more than 1 vig. | ||
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On April 14 2011 19:27 Robellicose wrote: Still sticking with my lynch of Coag. I'm now not certain of GM's alignment any more, I could have sworn that he was town before but there's been a lot of mud slung both ways. If he pardons coag then he's red to me. If he doesn't, then he's probably town in my opinion. It would be suicidal for GM to pardon coag. Especially since just last page GM said he would never use his pardon for any reason. So even if GM is red I can't imagine he will ever pardon coag. | ||
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If you pardon coag you will 100% of the time get lynched next and even if you flip town we don't learn anything about coag other than you were suicidal and so he probably still gets lynched. Also you have mentioned LAL several times how about when you repeatedly said you would never use the pardon for any reason just like 12 hours ago? At this point I guess there is no choice but to lynch you but if you flip dt I am going to be fucking pissed. You would have let whatever ridiculous principles you think you have have completely sabotage and destroy the town. | ||
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That said, you probably have just enough time to use it on someone once. Once during the game, after night 2 (gotta lay low for a bit and let it all blow over, man!), you may choose to visit one unlucky soul and introduce him to the business end of your new banhammer So do the vigs have to wait until night 3 to hit? And if so do we consider lynching coag day 3? | ||
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On April 15 2011 14:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Vig hit coagulation watch bodyguards/medic DT LSB imo Vigs can't hit yet right? In the op it says they can't hit until after night 2. VIGILANTE: You've had enough of all this bullshit. You have raided the armory and stole one (1) banhammer. That was all you could carry, cause these things are freakin' heavy, man! Of course, you're keeping this secret until you use it, because the instant someone realizes you have a banhammer they'll confiscate it from you. That said, you probably have just enough time to use it on someone once. Once during the game, after night 2 (gotta lay low for a bit and let it all blow over, man!), you may choose to visit one unlucky soul and introduce him to the business end of your new banhammer. | ||
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And while it doesn't prove anything I voted for DrH for mayor and he only won by 1 vote. If I had stayed on GM he would have won mayor instead. | ||
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