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On March 25 2011 11:02 GMarshal wrote: cool, are we done posting pics of kittens? @Tackster if you had a confirmed red and a confirmed black which would you lynch first and why? @tnkted what two other players would you like to have with you if you were to go to lylo? (yes I *will* persist in asking random questions unless the discussion is going somewhere) http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8iQjWsbvQdY/TCSnhq3FDBI/AAAAAAAAAIw/eF_cIKq-Y_Q/s1600/kitty-cat-kitten-cute-picture-photo-playing-blue-eyes-yarn.jpg Now we are! Are you asking who I would lynch? Or what players I would want as the other townie? I would have either OriginalName and Mr. Wiggles with me, because Wiggles seems very reasonable and levelheaded, and OriginalName appears to have some sense of the clandesine about him. I'd rely on Wiggles to think clearly and ON to pull some crazy analysis out of his hat. Thats a difficult question to answer though. :/ | ||
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![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dxKLQB4ddx0/S_hsM7FRI0I/AAAAAAAAARY/YsoEk3VZmVI/s1600/macgyver.gif) I think they'll be better later, or they'll be amazing when all of them are together. I think if all of the items are combined they create SUPERITEM | ||
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On March 25 2011 19:42 CubEdIn wrote: While I do agree that there are a few players who look scummy, I would also suggest we put some hard pressure on the lurkers. Especially those who are also in the item game. I mean, yes, annul seemed very anti-town so far, and I would also get rid of such players, but he was trying to make his case and at least we have a lot of pages of posts to analyse, if need be. The quiet ones are always the ones that are hiding something. This. Amber[LighT] and Brownbear haven't posted much of anything, and i know that they both (brownbear at least) are usually pretty active. We could also put some pressure on lemonwalrus. As a matter of fact, lets analyze lemonwalrus. On March 17 2011 18:48 Lemonwalrus wrote: /in if you are even still letting people in? It is my first time, but I promise to read the rules thoroughly after class today and come prepared. He's a noobie. A green noobie (such as myself) would be excited about the game, and would be posting a lot. A blue noobie would sit back and lurk. We know he isn't a blue noobie because there aren't any in the item game. Therefore... On March 24 2011 11:39 Lemonwalrus wrote: Actually it is black and baby-blue. This is tl. Well this was an astounding contribution. Actually, GM called him out on it: On March 24 2011 11:47 Lemonwalrus wrote: Well, I think that the 'vote or no vote for day 1 lynch' platform is a moot point. Someone running with a day 1 vote could easily be mafia, since mafia would have a good shot at tipping the vote, especially now when there is no real suspicion on anyone. Then again they could easily be not mafia and just want to use the vote as a way to win the popular vote to make a vote for them seem like a vote for fairness. Similarly, someone running no day 1 vote could easily be mafia since, obviously getting a free kill day 1 is good for mafia. But they could easily be not mafia and just trust their own mafia sniffing capabilities better than that of the town in the case of a vote. So basically, as of right now, I have not seen any compelling reasons to vote for anyone, I'm gonna wait to see how the debates continue and vote for whoever I think has the strongest ideas for further down the road. Idk, this is my first game though, so maybe I'm thinking too hard about it. Waffling. He doesn't have an opinion. To give him credit, this is early in the game, but still he hasn't contributed anything. If he was really a noobie townie he'd be falling over himself trying to contribute something. But he doesn't, and whats more, his reasons for not contributing are very telling: he claims hes a noobie! On March 25 2011 03:09 Lemonwalrus wrote: Sorry about the one-liners from before...it is my first time, I didn't realize that was inappropriate. I promise to make all future posts of mine painfully and needlessly verbose. As far as the bum/not bum vote, I think bum is the best bet for the town for reasons that have already been discussed at length. (the biggest one for me being that I think if he wasn't blue by now one of the real blues would have surely counter-claimed) (If you are a blue and therefore know that bum isn't, please, there is no reason for you not to counter claim) So unless someone gives one hell of a compelling reason for me not to I intend to vote bum. As far as the irc channels goes, well, gather round fellas, because I may be new to mafia, but I am an old hand at irc. I think having an irc for this is a very bad idea. Basically, it is just a more fast paced version of the forum which, on the one hand i know we all think 'well that is good it gives the scum more of a chance to fuck up and reveal themselves when they are under the gun' but the thing is, everyone will fuck up sooner or later. I'm sure if we do an irc channel literally everyone that participates will, sooner or later, say something that convinces someone that they are scum. That is what happens when you are able to share information without thinking hard about it first. (for instance, look at my signature...do you think any of those guys (besides aesop) would have said those things if they had had time to re-read it before clicking a post button?) Also, I see a major component of the irc channel debate will be 'x isn't active in irc, he must be scum' or 'x is too active in irc, he must be scum' basically wifom madness imo, since with imperfect data either choice will put suspicion on a player and, since town outnumbers scum, more suspicion floating around should benefit scum. So I vote no on irc and yes on bum, and the above are my reasons. Why is he using his noobiness to explain why he isn't contributing?! A true green noobie would be trying to contribute his ass off (like I am right now) instead of coming into the thread, posting unhelpful bullshit like this. Also notice how one small paragraph in that 'significant post' as chaoser calls it immediately below is actually related to the topic at hand (bum), and the rest of it is devoted to an entirely tangential vote on the IRC channel. I'd say, purely line for line, only a forth of this post is actually analysis, and its analysis that had been done by six other players by the time he posted it. Then, when he gets called out for waffling, he posts this. On March 25 2011 03:17 Lemonwalrus wrote: wtf the more i post the more i get crap for not posting, what do you guys want from me (((((Also I hadn't even thought of the impersonating people on irc thing that GMarshal brought up in his post. That is yet another convolution that irc will bring to the process. (although if we caught someone impersonating it would make it pretty obvious they were scum...so a potential for reward if a scum were to be so bold as to impersonate someone) I think the real problem with the irc is that there is such a thing as too much information when you are trying to make a decision. If we have pages and pages of posts and pages and pages of irc logs to go by, 2 sides could make bulletproof arguments for one person being scum/not scum, and it could be almost impossible to tell who was right with any sort of objectivity. Also....picking through irc logs sounds really tedious. I know that has no importance in the function of the game, but I just feel it will be less fun with a mountain of irc logs...and I kinda want to have fun. IRC IRC IRC. No discussion on bum, no discussion on kav. He has no thoughts other than IRC (which a noobie mafia would obviously not want) and a rehashing of a rehashing of bums position. And this is his last significant post in this topic! his final post says something like, "I decided not to post until roles were given out. The last ten pages in this topic could have been replaced with a kitten playing with yarn." I wasn't convinced he was mafia before I started this post but I am now. BURN THE WALRUS  | ||
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On March 26 2011 01:11 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 25 2011 23:32 tnkted wrote: This. Amber[LighT] and Brownbear haven't posted much of anything, and i know that they both (brownbear at least) are usually pretty active. We could also put some pressure on lemonwalrus. As a matter of fact, lets analyze lemonwalrus. He's a noobie. A green noobie (such as myself) would be excited about the game, and would be posting a lot. A blue noobie would sit back and lurk. We know he isn't a blue noobie because there aren't any in the item game. Therefore... Well this was an astounding contribution. Actually, GM called him out on it: Waffling. He doesn't have an opinion. To give him credit, this is early in the game, but still he hasn't contributed anything. If he was really a noobie townie he'd be falling over himself trying to contribute something. But he doesn't, and whats more, his reasons for not contributing are very telling: he claims hes a noobie! Why is he using his noobiness to explain why he isn't contributing?! A true green noobie would be trying to contribute his ass off (like I am right now) instead of coming into the thread, posting unhelpful bullshit like this. Also notice how one small paragraph in that 'significant post' as chaoser calls it immediately below is actually related to the topic at hand (bum), and the rest of it is devoted to an entirely tangential vote on the IRC channel. I'd say, purely line for line, only a forth of this post is actually analysis, and its analysis that had been done by six other players by the time he posted it. Then, when he gets called out for waffling, he posts this. IRC IRC IRC. No discussion on bum, no discussion on kav. He has no thoughts other than IRC (which a noobie mafia would obviously not want) and a rehashing of a rehashing of bums position. And this is his last significant post in this topic! his final post says something like, "I decided not to post until roles were given out. The last ten pages in this topic could have been replaced with a kitten playing with yarn." I wasn't convinced he was mafia before I started this post but I am now. BURN THE WALRUS So since he's not you he's scum? Since hes not acting like I would (as a new player) hes either blue or scum, and since hes not blue... How about you tell me what you think new players act like in their first game when they're green? you've probably seen your share of new players. How do they act? Lemonwalruses behavior this game is competely nonsensical to me, and if he was green i'd be the other person in this game that understands his position. | ||
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Although, I suppose that its difficult to analyze noobies because they tend to act in unpredictable ways (as ziphh points out). Ok, I'll retract my accusation. But lemonwalrus... I'm watching you. I AM THE EGGMAN | ||
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Well, thanks for the complement, but unless i created this smurf account in september and JUST got access to the mafia forum, its pretty likely that I'm not a smurf. | ||
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@coag: how did you come to the conclusions on that list? @ lemonwalrus: i didn't have a problem with posting kittens and things myself, if you remember. My suspicions were based on the fact that you hadn't contributed anything meaningful analyitically to the town yet. | ||
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I'm really hesitant to use it right now though, because its kind of a one-and-done sort of trap that relies on people be unaware of it before its sprung. Its been laid carefully however. I'm just not certain that day 1 is the time to use it. Lets give it some time, and if nobody can come up with a confirmed (or nearly unanimous confirm) i'll reveal it later. | ||
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