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Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 29 2011 01:29 GMT
#2641
But there was plenty of people saying i had the gun in thread.
and not to mention i accidently slipped and said i had the gun in thread also.
Are u suprised mafia covered all bases?

thats all that happened MAFIA COVERED ALL BASES like a good mafia team would.
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
March 29 2011 01:29 GMT
#2642
On March 29 2011 01:04 tnkted wrote:
Alright guys. Prepare for EARTH SHATTERING REVELATIONS

I know what happened last night. But first, a confession: I am the bus driver.

Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 17:21 bumatlarge wrote:
Excellent, sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but I have access to a DT within my circle. We checked lemonwalrus. He came back blue police force

While that makes no sense whatsoever since blues cant be in the item game. And of course he is not in my circle.

He has to be the GodFather


Last might my action was to bus Bum and Lemon. I didn't know what item lemon had. I figured jackal was mafia and was going to shoot tack, while the rest of the mafia killed lemon and coag, thereby winning mafia the item game. I didn't know that jackal had died, and I didn't know that lemon was bulletproof. So the reason that bum's check came back as blue is because he was checking himself.

Now, why would i switch bum and lemon, you might ask? Well, Bum is invincible. As long as his two bodyguards are alive he can't die. That means I could switch him with anyone and that person would live because all hits would be deflected off bum. Obviously I can't ever make this maneuver again because GM is dead and its too risky if the mafia gets the other bodyguard, but it was a good oneshot effort and would have won us the item game if mafia had tried to win it all at once. This maneuver had the happy side effect of confirming bum as blue, so yaay! I trust you again bum, I secretly figured you were scum for awhile.

So if I am the only bus driver, what happened last night? It would be stupid for there to be two bus drivers in the game. How was coags kill switched to annul?

Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 15:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Found it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172696&currentpage=42#840


Mind Controller - You may change the target of another player's night action to a player of your choice at night.

I remember KJ guessed who the medic type role was then used it to give the mafia a bunch of free protections.


Mind control. Coag was mind controlled to use his item on annul instead of on Tack. Thats why the post is written the way it is. I mean, read the damn thing. It's all about how he 'was confused as to why he was standing in front of annul'. Go read it again, it makes way more sense for it to be mind control. Also, the bus driver wouldn't have been mentioned elsewhere in the text if that had been what I did. Had that been my move, the bus driver wouldn't have been mentioned at all.

You guys are also missing the fact that Kav claimed somebody hit him last night. Thats an extra KP we haven't accounted for:

1. towns kp used to kill tack, shifted to annul
2. another random kp used to kill annul
3. KP used on GM
4. KP that failed (look at the DP again)
5. KP used on kav???

Mafia's Plan
Now before we delve into 5, lets examine 4 for a minute. GM is deader than a doornail. I have reason to believe that annuls role (outside of the item game) was bodyguard. I think last night the mafia hit GM and bum and used mind control to switch coags hit onto annul, therefore allowing them to kill the mayor and win the IG in one swoop. Coag would be dead due to the bomb, and the only people left in IG would be Jackal and Tack and Lemon.
Mafia almost killed bum, and I accidentally saved him by switching him and lemon.


0_0
How fucking lucky did town get last night?


We still haven't accounted for 5, or for the direction of black's kill. Black must have hit annul; that would explain why there were two kills in the same place. Why would black have hit annul? He was out of the item game, and everyone thought that annul's item was going to go off. I do not know this yet. I suspect bum has more ideas about this than I do. I do know that the reason why annul's item didn't go off is because he was stealing Tack's item during the night. That explains why annul has the mood ring and not Tack.

Now for the KP used on kav. What happened? Lets look at this list again, and I'll show you what I think happened:

1. towns kp used to kill tack, shifted to annul
2. another random kp used to kill annul
3. KP used on GM
4. KP that failed
5. KP used on kav???

There was no KP used on kav. There weren't enough KP in the game for that to happen. What happened was, my switch of lemon and bum saved bum's life from being ended and thats what the failed KP was: They managed to hit a bulletproof lemon instead of a suddenly weakened bum.

Kav claimed a hit in order to A) bring himself into town's good graces and B) to stop anyone from wondering if Bum was the other target. Kav is Mafia

Now who could possibly have orchastrated this plan from the mafia's perspective? such a person would

1. have to be in the item game
2. have to have known that coag was the one who was gonna hit Tack, not jackal

The only people that fit both of those descriptions are Lemon, Jackal, and Coag. Lemon is probably clear thanks to my breadcrumbing plan from earlier. He could easily not be, however, probably thanks to myself switching him and bum and accidentally foiling the DT check (sorry!).
Coag is definately a green thanks to breadcrumbing earlier.
Therefore, the true battle of red is between Lemon and Jackal. Both of them have much to gain if town lynches Tack, and both of them already think that Tack is the mafia. The question is which one of them is more scum than the other, and which one is playing the other for a fool.

Personally I believe Jackal is scum. I had a FOS on him early in the game and he hasn't done much to change my mind. He failed my breadcrumbing test after refusing to participate, he has tunnelled players multiple times, and chainsaw defended virtually every single accusation against him. This entire plan is exactly the sort of thing he'd cook up; killing everyone but himself and Tack and somebody that aggrees with him (lemon) and then convincing town that Tack had murdered everyone in the night and lynching him.

Who do we see supporting jackal on this? Who is supporting jackal even after Bum accused lemon?

Rean and Decon. Scum. Coag. Played for fool.

Coag, you even said that the only person who could have fooled you was jackal. Its whats happening right now, don't you see?! If you have more info (ie, dt check) I would release it right now.

Therefore, mafia list:

Kav
Rean
Decon
Jackal



And bum, I'd be very very careful with how you act from now on. I suspect the rest of my bus driving will be blocked by red/black, so I won't be able to save your ass again.



I'm quoting this because I think some of you need to reread it (looking at you bum). Mindcontrol is the most logical way for the hit to have been shifted.

Specificially (bum being hit notwithstanding, apparently that never happened), Tack can not be guilty because he thought Jackal had the gun. If Tack was mafia he would have mind controlled Jackal to kill annul and not Coagulation, who really had it. The hit was redirected to annul because everyone thought annul had activated his bomb out of rage. If things had worked differently, this would have worked perfectly for Jackal: Coagulation, the only other vetran in the IG would have been dead, Annul would have been dead, and the only people left in the game would have been Lemon, who already agreed with Jackal that Tack was the mafia, and Mafia, who the town suspected already. Jackal would have screamed bloody murder, saying that mafia must have bussed the hit to annul, and that we must lynch Tack immediately.

However, this theory is dependant on the fact that black must have hit annul; otherwise, why would red have wasted two KP there? The only reason that they would have MC Coag was because they knew he had the gun. Therefore they knew exactly who was going to get shot with it. Why waste another of their KP on annul, and risk one of their lives to the bomb? Obviously they didn't. Black did.

So if you have evidence that it was RED that hit annul bum, you'd better explain.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
March 29 2011 01:30 GMT
#2643
Coag, I think most of us figured that you had the stun gun because of what you posted.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
March 29 2011 01:31 GMT
#2644
Okay so since every has been arguing and are convinced enough to say that Coagulation's shot was redirected by mafia. Has anyone ever argued the point that if Tackster was scum, he would have told his team to use the Mind control on Jackal instead of Coag? The only way they knew Coag had the shot was if Jackal/Lemon was scum. Maybe I'm tired and may have missed a few posts but someone address this point?
Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
March 29 2011 01:32 GMT
#2645
On March 29 2011 10:29 Coagulation wrote:
But there was plenty of people saying i had the gun in thread.
and not to mention i accidently slipped and said i had the gun in thread also.
Are u suprised mafia covered all bases?

thats all that happened MAFIA COVERED ALL BASES like a good mafia team would.

Okay somehow you read my mind and I assume this is your answer to my question that I have not even posted. I will still let others see this point though.
Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
March 29 2011 01:34 GMT
#2646
If somebody could write up a post that compiles all of the recent important posts so that people that don't have the time to wade through 80+ pages could read up and respond, that would be great.

We're looking for:
day/night posts
Large sections of analysis (what i just posted up there for example)
Slips/tells
Different people's scumlists
etc

and etc. things that generated discussion such as ROL's fake hit on Annul that confirmed him town.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 29 2011 01:35 GMT
#2647
Specificially (bum being hit notwithstanding, apparently that never happened), Tack can not be guilty because he thought Jackal had the gun. If Tack was mafia he would have mind controlled Jackal to kill annul and not Coagulation, who really had it.


This is wrong

Mafia wants to take the gun not play games with the person who has it.
think about it
is priority 1 having the person shooting kill someone else with it OR
is priority 1 GETTING THE FUCKING GUN AND SHOOTING WHOEVER THEY WANT.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 29 2011 01:39 GMT
#2648
Specificially (bum being hit notwithstanding, apparently that never happened), Tack can not be guilty because he thought Jackal had the gun. If Tack was mafia he would have mind controlled Jackal to kill annul and not Coagulation, who really had it.


Actually this is wrong. Mafia covered all bases. They stole had Tack steal from Jackal and they mind controlled Coag. That makes it so that no shot could land on Tack.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
March 29 2011 01:40 GMT
#2649
I'll be back in a little while. I need to chill out/I have a migraine. I don't know what to say on what's been posted thus far, but I have more pressing issues irl.
My school just came out with a contingency plan for my semester and I'm so upset. I just want to get back to class and finish my semester asap. At least it won't be cancelled. See you guys later.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 29 2011 01:40 GMT
#2650
On March 29 2011 10:39 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
Specificially (bum being hit notwithstanding, apparently that never happened), Tack can not be guilty because he thought Jackal had the gun. If Tack was mafia he would have mind controlled Jackal to kill annul and not Coagulation, who really had it.


Actually this is wrong. Mafia covered all bases. They had Tack steal from Jackal and they mind controlled Coag. That makes it so that no shot could land on Tack.

Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
March 29 2011 01:40 GMT
#2651
I think Coag's point is saying that mafia was smart enough to tell Tackster to steal the gun from Jackal preventing him from using it as well as gaining the item, but also in the off chance that they knew Jackal did not have the gun also use Mind control on Coag.

And so because of tnkted's bus our DT couldn't even get the role of Lemon.

God why must so many things happen. So much wifom makes me think so hard about who to place the vote on.
Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
March 29 2011 01:42 GMT
#2652
Can you please just trust me on the annul hit. He was shot before coag's shot hit him. I'm not allowed to explain it. Plus, the same mysterious sources that told me annul got shot by scum, also tells me scum is desperate, and is fairly certain they won't win the IG.

Tackster being the prime suspect and that coming out does not surprise me. I'll be putting my vote on tack for now.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 29 2011 01:44 GMT
#2653
On March 29 2011 10:42 bumatlarge wrote:
Can you please just trust me on the annul hit. He was shot before coag's shot hit him. I'm not allowed to explain it. Plus, the same mysterious sources that told me annul got shot by scum, also tells me scum is desperate, and is fairly certain they won't win the IG.

Tackster being the prime suspect and that coming out does not surprise me. I'll be putting my vote on tack for now.


When was this said?

if theres a timestamp we can compare it to the time when people started backing off of me.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 29 2011 01:46 GMT
#2654
On March 29 2011 09:55 orgolove wrote:
I just read over most of the thread and the voting thread. Nothing in the thread 100% proves Tackster is red, as bum claims. In fact, the past ~30 or pages have only cast increasing doubt on coagulation's insistence... Tackster can't be a red. the only advantage of Reds and Blacks are information. But he did not know that coag was actually the one with the gun. All discussions about how his play of stealing rather than using the mood ring aside, I cannot understand why so many votes are still on Tackster.


Just going to quote this since it's basically him 1) defending Tack and 2) Yes, he didn't know. Either Jackal or Coag could have been using a gun. So Tack stole from Jackal and then mafia mind controlled Coag. That way Tack would be safe from hits.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
March 29 2011 01:48 GMT
#2655
Ok, first of all, calm down coag. You aren't helping anyone by getting emotional about this. I believe you're town but you have to give my view a chance alright?

Mafia wants to win the item game, yes? They didn't have enough KP to end it last night, especially with lemon protecting his vest. So the only thing they could do was kill as many people strategically as they could, and then the following day claim that they were right all along and lynch somebody. They wanted you dead man. You were supposed to die last night when annul's bomb exploded.

With you dead, the only people in the item game would be Jackal, Tack, and Lemon. What do you think would have happened then? If annul or you was the mafia town would win. But neither of you are the mafia.

The fact is, the hit wasn't bussed from Tack to annul, because then Tack would have taken annuls hit. YOU were bussed (or MC'd) to annul.

It doesn't make any logical sense for Tack to have orchestrated this, because he didn't know that you had the gun. Nobody knew that you had the gun; you guys covered that really well in the thread. I certainly didn't pick it up, and I pride myself on reading everything carefully. Tack, had he been mafia, would have undoubtedly placed the mind control on Jackal, not on annul because he thought that jackal would have been the one to kill him. He would have killed jackal off, not you. But that didn't happen; Tack couldn't possibly be mafia.

Your vehemance in insisting that Tack is in fact mafia tells me that you know something you aren't sharing. Did you use your role (not item, ur alignment checking role) on Jackal and find him green? because that would change everything. If you did, what item did you destroy? Could it have been the hot potato?

You checked annul last night, didn't you. Thats why his potato was destroyed.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 29 2011 01:50 GMT
#2656
listen

Priority 1 for scum is getting the GUN
NOT throwing abilities around on it and hope that it hits someone.

Its not hard to understand this.
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
March 29 2011 01:51 GMT
#2657
Ok bum, I'll trust you on the annul being hit by red thing.

That changes things dirastically however. What it means is that black must have been the ones who used MC.

Yeeeeech. Now things get messy. If black used MC then they must have know that Coag had the gun. Coag, did you or Jackal or Lemon tell darm that you had a gun?
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 29 2011 01:52 GMT
#2658
and no i didnt use my role.
i cant steal an item and shoot at the same time
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
March 29 2011 01:52 GMT
#2659
THEY GOT THE GUN. THEY USED YOU AS THE GUN. YOU ARE THE METAPHORICAL GUN, IN THIS SENARIO

HOW DID THEY KNOW WHO HAD THE GUN COAG? Explain me that. HOW DID THEY KNOW?
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 29 2011 01:53 GMT
#2660
On March 29 2011 10:51 tnkted wrote:
Ok bum, I'll trust you on the annul being hit by red thing.

That changes things dirastically however. What it means is that black must have been the ones who used MC.

Yeeeeech. Now things get messy. If black used MC then they must have know that Coag had the gun. Coag, did you or Jackal or Lemon tell darm that you had a gun?


NONONONO they didnt "KNOW" i had the gun they did it "IN CASE" i had the gun.
WHY WOULDNT THEY COVER ALL BASES???
WHAT PURPOUSE WOULD THERE TO SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACCOUNT FOR UNKNOWN SITUATIONS AND COVER THEM?
no i didnt tell darm anything
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