TL Mafia XXXVII

On February 20 2011 14:03 GMarshal wrote:


So, I wasn't in Salem Mafia, can I ask what we exactly we are being punished for?

On February 23 2011 09:22 LSB wrote:
Pre game yes, but its always good to lose that habit.

Plus not editing jacks up your post count! By the end of this game, you could be a zergling, or even a hydra!

Game starts 03:00 GMT (+00:00)

On February 23 2011 12:55 annul wrote:
it reeks of red because he is like "hey so theres weak powers in this game lol" which can only be known if he is a red, since if he was green he cant make that blanket claim and if he was a blue, he'd even be less inclined to make that claim

the only way he can do that is if he is red and he sees the red team has weak or no powers

On February 23 2011 13:17 annul wrote:
what?

that post makes no sense. like, i dont mean the logic, i mean the grammar (though the logic probably sucks too)

On February 23 2011 14:18 GMarshal wrote:


No, I'm playing different than when you saw me as a DT in a no flip game, its a completely different scenario, also I don't think I'm playing that different, but it is a different scenario.

You completely misinterpreted what I said about cells, I restated what i said about cells several times so if you read my posts you should have understood what the intention behind the cells was

now I have a question to ask you: what was the purpose of claiming vet? Now mafia won't hit you neglecting your usefulness as a hit absorber, also requesting claims is a scum tell. What plan are you going to propose next, perhaps a nice mass claim to make it easy on mafia?

You are setting off every alarm on my scumdar, my only defense of you is that I dont think mafia would play this badly

On February 23 2011 13:19 GMarshal wrote:
for arguments sake going to create analysis cells, use them for informational analysis
(even assuming I were scum there is no way) I could ensure each has a mafia member in it as there isn't enough mafia to go around (I am trying to put at least 1 TL vet in each) as the game progresses and people die we can have new cells form. (also you are free to create your own parallel cells)

1. Coagulation, LSB, gryffindor
2 GMarshal, seRapH, OriginalName
3 Mr. Wiggles, ICanFlyLow, kevconsim
4 Barundar, LastArgument , why
5 darmousseh, Ser Aspi, Kenpachi
6 Gofarman, chaoser, ohN
7 astroorion, CubEdIn, Jackal58
8 Beneather, annul, Conversion
9 icemac, Foolishness, LunarDestiny
10 deconduo, kitaman27, JBright

This is just a suggestion, but I think it is a good one, discuss

It leads to the sharing of information, which the mafia need in this setup to properly use their abilities of role reversing the town into submission, as opposed to straight up kill power.

On February 24 2011 01:48 OriginalName wrote:


-_-

On February 24 2011 02:21 Jackal58 wrote:

If he is a vet scum just have to do a role reversal on him and he's "hit" His claim makes no sense in this set up.

On February 24 2011 06:42 annul wrote:
actually in fact, the only way you can claim "ive been really scummy so far" is if you saw my play last night, and if you did, then you know i already explained that vote. interesting.

How the heck am I red? Just because I'm smart enough to take a bipartisan approach to day 1 and not listen to over analysis and red-analysis doesn't mean I'm scum playing the middle of the road.

Also, how is it that you can't correlate my idea with his cell idea? Just because we have cells scumhunting, doesn't mean we can't PM a confirmed on d2 or d3. I do not see how it is black vs white, when there is in fact a lot of room for gray area.

On February 25 2011 03:59 Jackal58 wrote:

When your parents caught you lying what was the first thing you did?

On February 26 2011 12:20 Jackal58 wrote:
Because it needs repeating.

+ Show Spoiler +

1. Barundar attempts to redirect the lynch off of annul

Priority 1: Automatic night 1 snipes if possible
These players are proven scumhunters
LSB
Foolishness

Basically if we are going to lynch a priority 1 person, the analysis must be far better than a priority 3 person, because if we're wrong, that would be far worse for the town.

I don't agree with you LSB, Jackal wasn't an easier choice than Gryf or icemac. I think at that point, no one had voted for Jackal yet, so for mafia to start a completely new bandwagon instead of using one that already had a decent amount of people in it is weird and not what mafia would do.

On February 27 2011 05:11 LSB wrote:

So what do you think about the actual list?
You haven't commented if its a good idea or not. Ad Hominem arguments don't count.

In addition, how is the list consolidating power? It's not reliant on me at all, in fact, the purpose of the list is so that when I'm dead, people will have an idea of what the mafia is doing and what to pay attention to.

On February 27 2011 10:57 icemac wrote:

Oh boy, if ohn is mafia and i'm town, i'm going to quote the hell out of this afterwards.

On February 28 2011 03:33 kevconsim wrote:
life support?

So you agree with my response that his analysis is based on WIFOM.

On February 28 2011 04:21 LSB wrote:

He's town because he wrote a lot?

On February 28 2011 04:38 LSB wrote:

Seriously, I'm really not liking what you are trying to pass as arguments.

First you claim that Mafia work a lot less than town, and that Barundar posted a bunch of long posts makes him green.
This is a silly argument that doesn't merit my response.

Secondly, you claim that I'm not responding to Barundar well, without actually answering any of my responses. In case you haven't noticed, I still have not seen a critisim of my responses from you. You are making a case out of nothing.

Thirdly you take a whishy washy position that looks good regardless of who gets lynched.

This isn't a direct FOS, but I don't believe your intentions are so pure.

Your attack is all WIFORM: You are saying "hey what if LSB was scum", well he would play that way. Only problem is it is a complete misrepresentation, my scum play and my town play are completely different, here is a link for how Incog describes it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190444&currentpage=21#415

On February 28 2011 02:04 LSB wrote:

Hey guys, lets just use our lynch on Barundar, once he flips red, I'll be cleared.

Ezpz.

In addition, this is the same problem with Barundar's push against Jackal58,

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 28 2011 02:10 LSB wrote:

Go lynch Barundar and once he flips red that will be my defense.

On February 28 2011 04:59 GMarshal wrote:
Ok, at this point I dont believe either Barundar or LSB are town, Barundar because of his analysis and convictions, LSB because he seems to be playing pro-town, knowing LSB's general scum style however its not impossible for him to be scum but if he is he is almost guaranteed to push a scummy plan or lynch sooner rather than later, why take a huge gamble on lynching a great player who seems pro-town when he is likely to screw up as scum and get lynched later?

On February 28 2011 12:27 Beneather wrote:
Voting for yourself doesn't prove he's innocent, people vote for themselves when they don't know who to vote for. It's just a way to keep them from being modkilled. I have been inactive because of stupid english assignments. I'll be more active tomorrow on the day. :D

On February 28 2011 12:56 Foolishness wrote:
Oh whoops I miscounted one, somehow I thought it would have been tied.

Points still stand though. You can't have a bandwagon in 30 minutes. Even me trying to bandwagon in 5 hours is a huge stretch.

On March 01 2011 00:38 gryffindor wrote:
Also, I knew the list I made was completely randomized, whereas GMarshal had admitted to tweaking his.

Is it sad that I am almost as afraid, if not moreso, of dying to a terrible vigilante shot?
@Vig, if you are going to hit me, claim in thread beforehand so you can be clear and lead a lynch tomorrow.

On March 01 2011 01:43 gryffindor wrote:
ack, i forgot about that extra mechanic
claim in PM to me

On March 01 2011 01:43 gryffindor wrote:
ack, i forgot about that extra mechanic
claim in PM to me

On March 01 2011 11:57 LSB wrote:
I was role blocked last night.

On March 01 2011 12:01 GMarshal wrote:


This is interesting, it hints at mafia having 3 kp or else they cannot afford to rb anyone.

Also do any vigi's claim to have shot last night? because if you did then we know that mafia spent a whole KP doing something else, if no-one claims the vigi hit then we have to work on the assumption that there wasn't one. Also gryff you seemed pretty convinced you were going to die...

On March 01 2011 12:07 GMarshal wrote:
O.O then I believe CubEdIn was a vigi and shot last night as he told me in PM that he was particularly suspicious of ON, its possible it was someone else or that one of you is lying

On March 01 2011 12:17 Jackal58 wrote:

We would have lost 4 townies on night 1.
OP alludes to the possibility of multiple godfathers in play.
We need a vigi claim now.

On March 01 2011 12:22 Jackal58 wrote:

I know.

I'm going to take Gmarshalls advice atm.

On March 02 2011 00:38 LSB wrote:
I don't get the LD lynch.
Am I reading it right, or is it all based on one PM? (And also how LD is a bit more inactive than usual?)

Roleblock: Cost .5KP blocks a player from using his power during that night. Player is notified of being role blocked.

On March 03 2011 03:51 GMarshal wrote:
Its day 3 and LSB isn't dead, this to me is incredibly suspicious, usually I wouldn't go after a major player like him, but seeing what he flips will tell us alot about other peoples alignments, specifically chaoser, barundar and bumatlarge. Lets see what LSB flips, shall we?

Also chaoser you neglected to consider that perhaps mafia is only allowed to kill up to 3 people per night.

##Unvote Jbright
##Vote LSB

On March 03 2011 06:55 deconduo wrote:


Again the point is not whether or not you are more suspicious than LSB, but that chaos and bum completely ignored the possibility of it.

On March 03 2011 09:01 deconduo wrote:
Just a note:

chaoser: annul, icemac, JBright
Cubed: annul, icemac, JBright
kevconsim: annul, icemac, JBright <- new player I think but serious lurker. votes without explaining.

On March 03 2011 11:43 ohN wrote:
Oh man i was so busy these past few days and i completely forgot i was playing. D:
##Vote: ohN

Sorry, I'll catch up asap.

On March 03 2011 11:50 Jackal58 wrote:

Encouraging people to smoke a doobie in a game that already promotes massive paranoia.

This is scum right here folks.

This doesn't say much in itself because other members of the town have the same thing going for them (hi chaoser!).

On March 04 2011 12:19 Foolishness wrote:
GG

On March 04 2011 13:00 Jackal58 wrote:

We'll get them for you Bum.

On March 04 2011 13:12 LastArgument wrote:
for all the excitement from this game and looking at the last page and seeing two giant writeup's on me I am amused.

One of you guys / mafia failed pretty hard. I took a hit last night.

I am now going to begin my massive writeup on who I suspect this game, and I should have it up before bed in a few hours.

On March 04 2011 13:24 kevconsim wrote:
Too bad im not mafia! so it will take 3 days for us to win

On March 04 2011 13:52 LunarDestiny wrote:

You shitting me? 30 players setup, 4 mafia.

On March 04 2011 13:55 kevconsim wrote:
I am a Townie

Lets move on to day 2.

On February 27 2011 14:44 LunarDestiny wrote:
Back. Catchup time...

So mafia are targeting experienced players like they always do.

People are talking about annul's lynch and there is a bus on annul. First of all, I don't think mafia would sacrifice one of their member to make others more safe. So those who voted annul early or greatly accused him aren't likely to be mafia. Those who jump onto the bandwagon or voted late without giving good reasons should be looked at.


Post doesn’t say much other than recap generally what everyone was talking about, fairly useless.

On February 23 2011 15:46 LastArgument wrote:


As you asked what I found troublesome about this post.

as per the town guide found
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188179

You did what would be as general talking. Rather than being specific with the use of the roles you mention you instead mention generalities. It also a post that lacks emphasis on the fundamental skill in which it has been suggested towns need to play by which is behavioural analysis. This and factoring in your earlier claim makes it seem fairly odd no?

On February 28 2011 04:42 LastArgument wrote:
I have spent some time trying to organize my thoughts and here is some of what I have thought on. First off two players stand out more than others to me.

Icanflylow(now bumatlarge) and LSB. I know LSB has been analyzed by barundar. There is however one post that strikes me as particularly useless made by LSB that should be used as a reason for an obvious lynch.




This post ranks players in three catagories.
1 being the “top players”
2 being ones who have experience or shown to have it
3 being people who have less experience than 2
4 being new players.

However, if you start reading the post more carefully, you will realize it’s a post indicating how the mafia “should” hit people to avoid off the radar. Now, a mafia reading this post now knows how to properly divide hits to maximize the team from dying. It doesn’t directly say how we should be saving those people, or how to analyze them. (note: he makes a short post on “how to use this list” right after but essentially says its useless till day 4-5).

This list didn’t provide people who should be dt checked, it didn’t provide a list of who should be medic protected. It instead provided a long post that doesn’t help the town as much as it helps mafia. Why make a post as town that shows activity but barely helps the town at all? This could be a lack of experience on my part, but it surprises me this post was made without further detailing or breaking down of how the town can use the information aside from “bide and wait till people die to pin the reds”


Bumatlarge




This is his second post in the game, he clears one player of suspicion, FoS two players, one of which is responsible for the most pro town idea this game. It isn’t much to go on, but based on all the pages the thread has, the only thing he was able to comment on was the annul lynch? And do generalization FoS on players without anything solid?

Seems off to me.

Talking about issues that allow mafia to easily blend in

On February 25 2011 04:59 LastArgument wrote:
I will be voting Icanflylow until a more suitable target can be brought up. As of now there is too much on either side of the fence to lynch one of gm/annul/chaoser/ice whereas icanflylow has posted once in the thread jumping on a bandwagon and not providing real input into the game. This vote may change depending on arguments brought forward, however 1 post to poorly justify ones vote on a bandwagon seems far to scum like to ignore at this moment.

If he has been active in pm's someone let me know so that my view of him may be changed, but as of right now he seems the least contributing member of the game.

##vote icanflylow

On March 03 2011 08:57 LastArgument wrote:
I'm heading out for a bit and just got home from work and should be back before voting. However, until then.

##vote Jbright

On March 05 2011 07:16 LSB wrote:
Um... why would I shoot Barundar if another vig was going to do it?

Keep in mind Jbright, when posed with the alternative of Icemac, got almost no support day 2. Yet suddenly when he was up against the alternative of Seraph, he got a lot more questionable voters with bs reasons and we very narrowly lynched Seraph.

The guilty part is you trying to subtly deflect the annul lynch, while hiding that you are trying to do that. This isn't " i dont think annul is a good lynch," which anyone mafia or town could say. This is "i secretly dont want to lynch annul but i dont want you to know that so im going to but maybe just maybe we can have him as a fallback option aka if my team cant get another suspect up there."

On March 06 2011 06:24 Jackal58 wrote:

LA is not confirmed in any way shape or form. I was aware of who LSB shot well before LA claimed to have been hit.

On March 06 2011 06:34 Ser Aspi wrote:
Nothing you say matters. We both know that what I said is true. Now you are getting scared and your demeanor has changed completely. That wasn't in the script now eh?

Your choice is to squirm and reveal the last mafia member or take this like a man and hope that guy can save the game. Your call brodooski.

Because LSB lied about who he hit for reasons known only to LSB. LSB believes LA is town for reasons known only to LSB. I know that LSB hit bumatlarge. I know a medic absorbed a hit on LSB. Why LSB is trying to get himself killed instead of LA we don't know. This is not my opinion alone. There are others involved that cannot speak or town is truly pooched. But you know most of this.

On March 06 2011 06:46 Jackal58 wrote:

I'm not asking anybody to believe LSB. I'm asking town to trust me. A variety of blues have. I gave you 2 confirmation options. Neither will confirm anything other than LSB is a vigi or that I'm a vanilla townie. I would prefer if town needs to go that route that they lynch me. Because lynching LSB will allow scum to exploit an apparent confirmation of LA. That is a lie.

I am their mouthpiece because I am just a vanilla townie.

On March 06 2011 07:53 LSB wrote:

So mafia decided to hit Foolishness, Bum and also some random dude named LA? All to attempt to confirm LSB?

I'm more inclined to believe that Annul is town. Oh wait, he flipped red.

So your saying that the Mafia somehow convinced LA the vet to claim that he was hit?

On March 06 2011 08:08 LSB wrote:

Your argument was that if LA is town, I am not confirmed. And now you admit that if LA flips town, I am confirmed.

On March 09 2011 11:55 LSB wrote:
You are an anti town player and causes more damage than help to the town. Someone mafia wants to keep around.

PL BM EZPZ

On March 09 2011 22:58 gryffindor wrote:
No, Jackal, I don't blame you. You're not an idiot, you're just playing the game.

On March 10 2011 08:30 kevconsim wrote:
Now im positive that Jackal is town for reasons i am not allowed to discuss.

If we should claim to anyone i guess it should be him.

On March 13 2011 02:50 OriginalName wrote:


Auto-lynch Pandain D1?

On March 15 2011 11:17 Kavdragon wrote:


Actually I had Foolishness pegged as scum early on, and you as the most obviously town player for almost the entire game.

On March 15 2011 11:27 GMarshal wrote:
so chaoser, town circle again next game? I won't trust you this time though

On March 15 2011 11:35 kitaman27 wrote:
Grats town! ^_^

I would be interested to hear the mafia strategy as they probably had the least amount of thread presence I've ever seen.

Thanks for hosting RoL/Meapak.

darmo 10

02-24-2011 04:15 PM ET (US)
Hey guys, sorry i'm so busy, the survivor game takes up a lot of time. I agree with the LaL policy as it is very rare that a townie needs to lie. Yeah, not sure about jackal either, but it's really hard to go off anything yet. I'm always really confused on day 1. Do we plan on claiming to each other? If one of you guys are scum, then that could spell disaster for the rest of us.

On March 15 2011 12:29 chaoser wrote:


The slip lol