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Just got to work. So I won't post much now. More to come tonight. I did get to skim through the thread a bit and I must say I love the idea of being placed in a cell with Jackal after what we did in Mafia 36.  But yeah I don't think "cells" are a good idea. If you are sharing sensitive information, mafia may know a great deal of it. If you are not, then they don't really have much use. Using the thread for throwing around ideas is much more useful as it can uncover scum faster in case of a slip. Also, Mafia could do things like killing one/two people out of a cell where there's no mafia, and if they flip blue then town will think that the remaining member(s) have to be mafia. And stuff like that. | ||
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I had a bit of time to go through the thread, and most likely I will be a bit more free at work today so hopefully I'll contribute more. But this is what I got so far: 1. Icemac vs Gmarshall. I don't think either of them is scum, and here is why: Gmarshall did play a bit different in Mafia 36, but the reason for that was, he was picked Bodyguard on day one. Which means that his place was safe, at least for the first few days. Nobdy was going to lynch him, even if several people would FoS him, which gives one a nice, safe place in the game. In this game, however, he does not have that advantage, so I think it's somewhat normal that he's a bit more touchy, a bit more aggressive, but at least he's trying to provide decent information and come up with a somewhat-well-though-out-plan. Basically, the only problem with his plan is that a bunch of the cells could be mafia-infested, but that can also work to town's advantage if the greens in the circle can figure out that the red is trying to play them. As far as nobody claims early, it should be ok, IMO. Besides, like LSB said, you can't really STOP any kind of town circle as long as PMs are allowed, so there's no reason I can think of to try to stop town this. At best, this is a more "imposed" cell that any player can embrace or ignore. I don't think it can be considered scummish. Icemac, on the other hand, is a smurf, so I can't know what he's usually like, but I'm guessing that he played with us before, and that's why he's being overly aggressive in some instances. I don't think that makes him scum though, especially if he played in Mafia 36 and he's got an idea about what GM "should play like", and isn't. If he didn't play with us before, he might just be a tad on the aggressive side by nature. I don't see why this is considered a bad thing, and I don't see why it's a reason to vote for him. To me, most of the things he said come out as being townish. Either way, it's not really a reason go wagon him no matter how you look at it, and I'm quite suspicious of the players that ganged him so fast. 2. LSB vs. Annul These are both quite experienced players, so I don't think you could get a "read" out of either of them. But it is reminiscent of the way LSB started out Harry Potter Mafia (when we were mafia together), and he was attacking RoL all over. Which lead to both of them being lynched and clearing up DrH of accusation for quite some time. Now I'm not saying LSB is doing this, I'm saying that EITHER of them could be doing this. Or they can both be town or both mafias. I know this is inconclusive, but my "bottom line" would be... don't go for either of them until there's further proof. If you don't know what I'm talking about, go read through the first two days of HP mafia. 3. Ser Aspi This is the most suspicious player to me so far, mostly based on one post: On February 24 2011 12:48 Ser Aspi wrote: cute way to sidetrack the debate off your scummy play. "HE POSTED LOGIC SMURFFFFF AHHHHH IGNORE ME" Sorry if I forgot about tl mafia and been busy playing at epicmafia and mafiascum for the past year. Naturally you don't actually respond to what I said. Even more interesting, a smurf would be someone more knowledgeable than a new player. For you to think that I am a smurf immediately means that you felt what I said had merit. Thus that means you know better, which means you are scum bullshiting. vote## Annul Im gonna knock you off your broomstick boy This is weird, really weird. Mostly because it came RIGHT after LSB made some decent points against Annul. If he wanted to vote for Annul he'd have had a lot of damn good reasons by just "believing" LSB's analysis. But instead he goes and basically OMGUS-votes Annul. Why on earth would you do something like that? Now, I'm not saying he's not right about the smurf/experienced thing on Annul, but he basically voted for him because Annul pointed him out for being a smurf, and he openly admitted that. That's most fishy to me, out of everything I read so far. The second suspect would be Jackal, but I doubt it's a good idea to lynch him over just two posts (like Ser Aspi too, actually). I don't find it odd that he's not being overly aggressive as usual, because it's very early in the game, but I do find it odd that he made the remark about the PM. That does seem a bit off-character. That being said, I don't have any idea of who to vote for actually, at least not yet. But I do know one thing: If Annul and/or LSB are not scum, they'll probably be taken out pretty early in the game, so I don't think it's smart for town to lynch either of them (especially not LSB, since he seems to be a target for Mafia early on when he's red, and if he IS mafia, then he has a pretty pro-town way of playing it, so I think it's safe either way). | ||
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On February 24 2011 19:56 Barundar wrote: @cubedin: You post alot but you don't really have anything to add. Your comments on my case was pretty light. That's because I think your case against him is pretty light. You're basically picking on the fact that he said he's not gonna post much. I know that that somewhat differs from his "usual" play, but we're just people, maybe he actually doesn't have time to post much. Heck, I said pretty much the same thing. I was busy so I couldn't post much. I don't see how that makes him scum. The FoS was a simple FoS, and the PM comment, I already said I find a bit suspicious, but that's about it. You can't really say that he's playing differently after half a day, come on, that's absurd. That kind of argument should come in after at least a few 'normal' days. And saying that I post a lot but don't have anything to add is somewhat insulting: I explained why GM is not to be looked at as scum just for that. I explained what I think about both newcomers/smurfs that were voted for. I explained what I think about LSB vs Annul and I drew attention to HP mafia where an argument like that worked very well for mafia, and why it should be avoided. I drew attention to the one post in this thread that seemed really suspicious to me. I gave my thoughts on Jackal's case. And you're sweeping that under the rug as being "lot of talk about nothing"? I read the thread and I expressed my opinions regarding the pressing issues of the town at this moment. What did you expect me to talk about? Lurkers? I'm ok with taking down lurkers as well. Always have been. | ||
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Who are you (Gryff) to tell me I have to change my vote? It's a game. It's definitely not LYLO. I can vote whoeverthehell I want. You disagree? Then try to get my lynch afterwards, but don't try and influence the vote while it's going on without any serious reason. You think it's scummy that some people can have their own opinion that's not similar to what everyone else says? How so? Is it not scummier to band wagon someone? That being said, I am going to bandwagon! But not because I don't have the balls to stick to my own choice, but because I found annul's downward spiral to be quite scummy. He seemed OK at first but then started to respond aggressively to the posts, which is exactly what I do when I'm scum. I still think that it's a bad idea overall to lynch someone with decent experience on day 1. I would much rather have annul as a day 2 lynch or so, but I already explained why I really doubt Icemac is town, and his posts made me think so even more. Also, RoL's intervention made me think that gryff (my 2nd in line choice, after S.A.) is town, because if he'd be mafia, the mod-intervention would be imba. And I know from when I was mafia in 36 that the mods posting in the thread is 90% to stop the town from taking the fast train to nowhere. That being said, I sure hope LSB is not wrong about this  ##Vote Annul | ||
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Honestly, I didn't think you were right, I thought it was just a grudge, but I was basing my reasoning on the fact that in HP you said that you get the town to win no matter if you're red or blue, which turned out to be true, so you know, hoped it worked here as well. As for my low post count. Sorry. I've just had a lot to do at work. An awful lot. And now it's Friday night (21:35 here), and I will shower, get ready, and leave to the mountains at 5 am because it snowed and I wanna go down a slope at least ONCE this year. So what I'm saying is, not only did I suck so far, but I will probably be AFK for most of the weekend as well. However, I will throw in an opinion or two, and I swear I'll get more active starting on Monday. | ||
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Here's a crappy cell-phone pic of yesterday! + Show Spoiler + I GOT TO SEE SNOW! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BSyWf.jpg) Now, to the issues at hand. Obviously, the most pressing issue is LSB vs Barundar. LSB: Mostly, the most trouble I have with this is that, if Barundar is right, we have to kill someone who really pushed a red on day 1. That's all. We shouldn't really do this. Here is why: - If LSB is town, and he's as good as people say he is, then he will be targeted by mafia, sooner or later. - If LSB is red, he already outed a team-mate. If mafia is as ballsy as Barundar says, then they might do something equally strange in order to clear LSB. In which case, it spells good for town. So I have no idea why so many people are going along with this. At least give LSB one-two more days and see how the game goes. You can't possibly want one of the more experienced players to die, after pushing a red, based entirely on "he could have played this exactly the same if he was red". True, but that's not a convincing argument. Not for me anyway. There are just two things that make me not dismiss this completely: 1. Harry Potter Mafia, when LSB seemed very, very pro-town in the thread, and he was scum. It can be said that he was Snape so he might have known he was ultimately town-aligned, but at the time he was in our scum team, yet he played very pro-town in the thread (or at least make it seem that way). This could be a more advanced version of that. 2. The "once he flips red" made it seem extremely confident. Which is a bit weird since it was day one. I don't think it's healthy for anyone to be that confident in day 1. Barundar: I don't know if Barundar is red or town, but I honestly don't think it is something that mafia would do. Let's think for a second here, take what Barundar said: The thing is, when someone plays as mafia, it’s hard to do analysis because you know that the person who you are doing analysis is town, so you have to make up stuff. It's kinda hard to make up so much stuff just to try and sink LSB, and even if you do (say, Barundar is red and LSB is town), then it doesn't make any sense because Barundar would die next night for sure, so it would basically be two mafia down just to kill LSB. So if he is red (and they want LSB dead), it's just a really bad move, because once LSB flips town, he's dead. If he's town, it's an even worse move, because if LSB is town, then Barundar will most likely get lynched as well, and you will have wasted two lynches, and two of the better players and get absolutely nowhere. So here's what I'm saying: 1. Think really well about who to vote for. 2. FoS on those who voted on LSB with saying "oh wow that was a good analysis" but didn't really bother to THINK about it and the other possiblities and the outcomes. I'm sure there's at least a few mafia among them who were oh-so-glad an experienced townie is being targeted. Here are a few examples: On February 28 2011 00:23 chaoser wrote: Epic post dude....I'mma put my vote on him cause there's no fucking way mafia would spend that much time crafting a post like that spanning 3 parts... Vote: LSB Yeah, that's a good freaking reason. Why would you bother thinking for yourself when someone posted a 3-part-post? No mafia writes that much! On February 28 2011 00:51 OriginalName wrote: I don't think mafia is beyond bussing d1 at all and I'm not prepared to let them succed for it HOWEVER we have to realize that if we get this wrong we are clearly on the wrong track and. Mafia probably just got some lucky snipes Probably has one experience player and a load of non-experienced players If anything I think the bus was instigated by the random vote on annul about mid way through d1 I like risks however so I think the Bus is definitly plaisable Therefore ##Vote LSB This seems scummiest to me: "mafia probably just got some lucky snipes" - something of a 'reverse-gloating', being happy with the kills but trying to look very pro-town by saying almost nothing. "Probably has one experience player and a load of non-experienced players" - umm, yeah, we can tell that based on... ummm.... ?! slip?! "I like risks however so I think the Bus is definitly plausible" - i like the risk of killing one of the best town players on the 50-50% he's red. (I'm saying 50-50 because he said it's "plausible", not likely or anything else) Of course, my whole theory tumbles if LSB is indeed red. But we are basing this solely on the idea that the mafia team pushed Annul to a lynch on day one, which is a massively ballsy thing to do. I'm not saying LSB is town, but at least give it more time to develop, just don't claim to him or whatever if you don't trust him. As for Jackal, I didn't think he was scum, and I wanted to post a few bits based on Mafia 36 that made me think it was unlikely that he is red, but then he gave up on Gryph and voted LSB based on the fact that it's either him or Barundar, again, being certain that one of them is red, which no player should do so early in the game. That's about enough for now, as I still want to look over the posts and see if I can find someone worthy of my vote. But unless something really scummy pops up, it's definitely not gonna be LSB or Barundar. Not this time band-wagon-man! | ||
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You are missing the fact that not only a mafia could use the list that LSB posted to get town to lynch certain people, like if they kill all but one players in tier 2, he would stick out as a sore thumb and town will most likely turn on him unless he's somehow cleared during the game. | ||
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On February 28 2011 06:02 Jackal58 wrote: First off. kevconsim - I'm flattered that you think highly enough of me to put me in your sig. Thank you. You must work on Madison Ave. + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2011 04:46 CubEdIn wrote: Hi again peoples. Here's a crappy cell-phone pic of yesterday! + Show Spoiler + I GOT TO SEE SNOW! Now, to the issues at hand. Obviously, the most pressing issue is LSB vs Barundar. LSB: Mostly, the most trouble I have with this is that, if Barundar is right, we have to kill someone who really pushed a red on day 1. That's all. We shouldn't really do this. Here is why: - If LSB is town, and he's as good as people say he is, then he will be targeted by mafia, sooner or later. - If LSB is red, he already outed a team-mate. If mafia is as ballsy as Barundar says, then they might do something equally strange in order to clear LSB. In which case, it spells good for town. So I have no idea why so many people are going along with this. At least give LSB one-two more days and see how the game goes. You can't possibly want one of the more experienced players to die, after pushing a red, based entirely on "he could have played this exactly the same if he was red". True, but that's not a convincing argument. Not for me anyway. There are just two things that make me not dismiss this completely: 1. Harry Potter Mafia, when LSB seemed very, very pro-town in the thread, and he was scum. It can be said that he was Snape so he might have known he was ultimately town-aligned, but at the time he was in our scum team, yet he played very pro-town in the thread (or at least make it seem that way). This could be a more advanced version of that. 2. The "once he flips red" made it seem extremely confident. Which is a bit weird since it was day one. I don't think it's healthy for anyone to be that confident in day 1. Barundar: I don't know if Barundar is red or town, but I honestly don't think it is something that mafia would do. Let's think for a second here, take what Barundar said: The thing is, when someone plays as mafia, it’s hard to do analysis because you know that the person who you are doing analysis is town, so you have to make up stuff. It's kinda hard to make up so much stuff just to try and sink LSB, and even if you do (say, Barundar is red and LSB is town), then it doesn't make any sense because Barundar would die next night for sure, so it would basically be two mafia down just to kill LSB. So if he is red (and they want LSB dead), it's just a really bad move, because once LSB flips town, he's dead. If he's town, it's an even worse move, because if LSB is town, then Barundar will most likely get lynched as well, and you will have wasted two lynches, and two of the better players and get absolutely nowhere. So here's what I'm saying: 1. Think really well about who to vote for. 2. FoS on those who voted on LSB with saying "oh wow that was a good analysis" but didn't really bother to THINK about it and the other possiblities and the outcomes. I'm sure there's at least a few mafia among them who were oh-so-glad an experienced townie is being targeted. Here are a few examples: Yeah, that's a good freaking reason. Why would you bother thinking for yourself when someone posted a 3-part-post? No mafia writes that much! This seems scummiest to me: "mafia probably just got some lucky snipes" - something of a 'reverse-gloating', being happy with the kills but trying to look very pro-town by saying almost nothing. "Probably has one experience player and a load of non-experienced players" - umm, yeah, we can tell that based on... ummm.... ?! slip?! "I like risks however so I think the Bus is definitly plausible" - i like the risk of killing one of the best town players on the 50-50% he's red. (I'm saying 50-50 because he said it's "plausible", not likely or anything else) Of course, my whole theory tumbles if LSB is indeed red. But we are basing this solely on the idea that the mafia team pushed Annul to a lynch on day one, which is a massively ballsy thing to do. I'm not saying LSB is town, but at least give it more time to develop, just don't claim to him or whatever if you don't trust him. As for Jackal, I didn't think he was scum, and I wanted to post a few bits based on Mafia 36 that made me think it was unlikely that he is red, but then he gave up on Gryph and voted LSB based on the fact that it's either him or Barundar, again, being certain that one of them is red, which no player should do so early in the game. That's about enough for now, as I still want to look over the posts and see if I can find someone worthy of my vote. But unless something really scummy pops up, it's definitely not gonna be LSB or Barundar. Not this time band-wagon-man! Here's my problem Cubed. Everybody expects me to tunnel. They call me aggressive. I'm damned if I do. I'm damned if I don't I understand what you wanted to link in XXXVI. My persistent vote on you. The difference between then and now is then I was positive you were on the red team. Now I have no one individual I can point at and say "you are scum" Not yet anyways. Barundar believes me to be scum due to my not tunneling. If you read the games I've been in til late game that "tunneling" hasn't started until about day 3 or so. We are still in day two. We have a pissing contest between two people that fervently believe the other is scum. I am vacillating between believing that either they both are or neither are. I honestly don't know yet. What I do know is I am surly incapable of pushing for a lynch on gryffindor. deconduo is the only other person here that I can see that would keep their vote on him til the end of day. I do know that I am going to change my vote back. I have seen enough from both of them to believe it to be at best a 50/50 shot of hanging another red. I don't like 50/50. ##UNVOTE: LSB ##VOTE: gryffindor I'd rather lynch a 100% confirmed liar. Oh, no, you understood me wrong. I was going to say that you had some moments in Mafia 36 where you were very pro-town. I found similarities here as well, and I was thinking about writing those in order to back you up as being town. BUT, your vote towards LSB made me think twice. I'm not saying it makes you scummy, I'm just saying that I'm not very keen into backing you up anymore, because I very much disagreed with your move. Also, I was going to post this sooner, but now I'm even more annoyed. What the fk Kenpachi? You always make me go WTF when I play with you. Can you please explain, how did your vote on Barundar make sense? If he was red, would it make sense that two reds die to kill LSB? Wouldn't it be easier to just triple-stack him and get it over with? And now you're saying "well it could be this or that, we should think about it!". I don't think you're putting too much into this game, as you only seem to be posting controversial things. I know that sometimes your approach works (like say, voting for a bunch of people to get them to talk), but you also do a lot of things that make no sense whatsoever to me, like voting for Barundar. The only way that Barundar is scum is if he devised a way to lynch LSB and then come out as town (like hope that a DT checks him and he is Godfather), otherwise, it's a 1-1 trade for mafia which just doesn't make sense, because if LSB flipped green, then the town would 90% sure turn on Barundar. That being said, still have no idea who to vote for. I would vote for OriginalName because of the reasons mentioned in my previous post (bussing LSB with no explanation), but I was thinking of voting for icemac in day 1 as well, and I think LSB is right about not splitting votes. | ||
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Now I really don't know who to vote for. | ||
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DI'JA LOGIN WITH THE WRONG ACCOUNT? DI'JA? I looked over the past few pages 5 times, and nobody really sticks out as scum. Icemac is more scummy than either LSB or Barundar in my eyes, but not enough for him to deserve a lynch. Can't I just stick to OriginalName? | ||
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Why wouldn't you?! He's been nothing but scum this whole game. Practically half of his posts are unfounded votes. I demand he dies! @ Barundar: I know you're willing to die, but what if you're wrong and you're both green? That would screw up the town big time. Don't you agree? All I ask for is a bit more time for us to draw conclusions. @ LSB: I am 100% against Barundar lynch. If I had to choose between you two (if there were just us 3 left in the game), I would choose to lynch you. But I'm 90% sure that he's town, and I'm 70% sure that you're town as well. So basically, you're asking me to vote for icemac, so that I take a stance. Even though I would pick OriginalName over most everyone else, based on that one post alone. | ||
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I guess that I'll vote for him as well, as I want to sleep, though the only thing that I can base it on is the fact that annul had the chance to try and shift his lynch on him and chose not to do so. But it's all too wishy-washy if you ask me. ##vote icemac | ||
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It's night time, so I don't see the point in arguing much, but I do wanna say something. Foolishness picked on me for having an unhealthy attitude, and I agree. However, I disagree with your post and analysis (which I consider quite good, and even if I didn't, I would at least consider your stance as one of the most experienced players) coming 2-3-4 hours before nightfall. I understand that one should take time to consider positions and such, but for me at least, it's very hard to stay up so much just to reconsider my vote. (12 is like... 5 or 6 am here). So what I'm saying is, I don't like this instant-bandwagon coming on 2-3 hours before night. If one is to shift a lynch, it's best done with at least 6 hours before tally. I mean, day lasts 48 hours and it seems that it all comes down to the last 2 or 3, which is unfair towards those who are not online at the time, and also somewhat detrimental to the town, because I assume that at least the mafia is active enough to take part in such votes and shift the lynch in an unwanted direction. I'm just ranting because I didn't want to vote for either LSB or Barundar, and I choked. Next time I won't and I'll keep my vote on my suspect (who was OriginalName at the time), even if I'm the only one voting for him. Carry on. | ||
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On March 01 2011 14:16 Coagulation wrote: also LOL @ mafia spend kp on Kenpachi That's exactly what I thought when I read the post. And no, I did not shoot Original Name. GM is right though, I did suspect him a lot, mostly because of that bus-vote on LSB, but I didn't shoot anyone. If I were a Vig, I would save my hit for someone more important, who I couldn't get lynched by making a case towards the town. | ||
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I watched him from a scum perspective, and he was a bit of a thorn in our pawn. This game, however, I barely noticed him. Still, I expected that if he were scum, he would have become more active once the FoS was pointing at him, but he hasn't, so I'm not completely dismissing the possibility that he's simply being less active for this one. But yeah I do agree with one thing wholeheartedly: get the lurkers to talk. Someone in PM told me that people might be lurking due to the fact that they're medics or such and don't want to be sticking out, but mafia already knows who's mafia, so the green/blue lurkers WILL stick out like a sore thumb to them, especially if they don't start talking and town doesn't cast any blame on them. See Mafia XXXVI's Mr.Wiggles and BrownBear for example. At the end of the game I had to guess who medic was, and I picked one of these two. BB was medic and Wiggles was Mason. And it was obvious because town was protecting them. So, yeah, bottom line is, get everyone to talk. Let's start with... ohN. Are you even part of this game? | ||
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If you are all correct, and you are saying that mafia only used ONE role-block, then why are we instantly assuming it was LSB who lied? I am only asking because I see no good reason for LSB to lie, other than to semi-confirm himself as town. I'm just saying, if I was red, and I wanted to pull something like this, I wouldn't be claiming Role-Block from the first few hours of the day, I would wait and see if nobody else claims, because it's "unsafe" to do that so early. The only way I see it is if he saw 3 kills and figured that mafia don't have any more KPs to use. Not that I have anything against Jackal, I really don't, but I don't know why people are hating on LSB and nobody is really pushing Jackal. | ||
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I don't think Jackal is particularly suspicious, I find that other players are suspicious for not trying to make a case against Jackal as well (particularly bum & chaoser). | ||
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Two games ago, someone said to me (I dunno if it was Barundar or LSB or someone else, doesn't matter), that you have to lynch for information. Who do we get most information out of? I would guess Jbright because it gives us more information on the people "tied" to him (Seraph and LD, was it? Or someone else I'm missing, I didn't have time to go back through the thread all the way). | ||
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On March 03 2011 05:18 Barundar wrote: And one more thing cubed, why would you want to lynch Jbright over seraph, who has a few analysis he hasnt responded to, and is leading in votes? What do you actually think of Seraph and LSB? Either is fine with me. Be it Jbright, Seraph or Chaoser. I chose Jbright because I saw a post where someone was grouping them together (JBright/Seraph/LD i think but I can't find it right now). I need to look through the thread again, but it was basically saying that if one of them is red it's highly likely that all three of them are. If it comes to it, I'll look, but, as I said, I'm ok with either. And to a lesser extent, I'd be ok with LD, but he seems to have picked up his posting a bit so I'm not willing to peg him as scum just yet. I am very much against the LSB lynch though, since he's one of the more experienced players, and people seem to be quite quick at jumping on the wagon. Bumatlarge made some interesting points, but it seems that we are dismissing the day-1 lynch which was largely attributed to LSB. Of course you can say it was luck (as he was probably gonna buss annul anyway), or that it's a complicated mafia plan, but the fact of the matter is that it got us a dead mafia. Also, Barundar, you're saying that you want to be lynching the mafia, but are you 100% LSB is red? Are we going over that whole "nobody should be sure" thing again? | ||
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On March 03 2011 05:56 Barundar wrote: LSB attributed it to LSB. I picked up on an obvious flaw in your argument. You basicly said: I get the argument and I think that one of them is red. But I think someone should have raised suspecion against Jackal as well, so I think we should lynch Chaoser. How does that even make sense? If you believe the argument, then you should be discussing Jackal and LSB, yet you don't seem to be willing to do that. I never said I was 100 % certain LSB is red, but I never stopped hunting for mafia, or talked about lynching for information like you You misunderstand. I said that I get the argument that one of them could be red, since we don't get where the extra action comes from, but I am suspicious of the fact that people are so quick to jump on LSB, and not Jackal. I don't think that Jackal is red, and I don't see why LSB would claim being Role-Blocked. I never said I'm 100% sure that one of them is red. If LSB flips green are we lynching Jackal, based on your argument? I'm not "discussing" Jackal and LSB because I already said (and not once) that they seem town to me. Albeit there's a lot of WIFOM that can lead to LSB being red. No actual proof though. | ||
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But I agree with Foolishness, mostly. I don't think that lynching one of the two will automatically confirm the other though, I'm just going with what people have been posting in the thread so far about them. I feel rather left out actually, since I've only been PMing GM, I feel I'm only part of half the game. So I'm gonna go wash up and think about who I want to vote between Jb, Seraph, or LastArgument. I'd most like the lurkers to be mod-killed actually, but I got this urge to sheep Foolishness whenever he posts (no joke). | ||
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I went with Foolishness' idea and thought hard about the two: Seraph and JBright. There are more reasons to pick Jbright though: 1. His inactivity (I found like 12 posts of his, as opposed to 29 of Seraph, I don't know if I counted right but that's half the posts either way), I know this doesn't mean much but it's a start. 2. Coag's reasoning: He brought him up early, then others have been brought up. It's pretty clear that this mafia team is not defending their members, since Annul's lynch went pretty easy, but derailing lynches is a must if they want to survive. I'm inclined to think this can also be a clue. 3. I have looked at Foolishness' analysis of Seraph and I'm not convinced. It's basically a posting habits analysis, and albeit pretty conclusive, it doesn't necessarily mean he is red. Yes, he's behaving oddly, but not scummier than JB. That being said though, even if Jbright flips green, I think it's a good idea to get rid of Seraph tomorrow (meaning, not lose track of him after nightfall). I went back a good number of pages and didn't find any relevant clues that the two are tied together, so I don't think that they are very much connected by anything other than WIFOM. Or, if a vet wants to shoot someone, I think he would make a better target than LSB. My two cents. ##vote JBright | ||
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On March 03 2011 08:39 Barundar wrote: #Vote Seraph The case against seraph is a lot stronger than against Jbright. How so? I'm not mocking, I'm genuinely asking, because I've been over the past 10 pages or so and I think JB is much scummier. | ||
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On March 03 2011 08:54 Barundar wrote: I feel like the Jbright analysis is based more on "scumslips" than actual behavioral analysis. Quite contrary to the conclusions drawn by Ser Aspi, I don't see Jbright answering as a pressured scum. His silly reasons and distance from the game tells me bored townie rather than scum. On March 03 2011 08:56 deconduo wrote: I really dislike it when people tell me I have to vote for one of XYZ. However I agree that the votes are too spread out at the moment. Given a choice between those three I'm going to stick with my gut from yesterday. Unvote ##Vote LSB So, at first you agree with me that it's suspicious that people bussed LSB, while ignoring Jackal, which can mean that at least some of the mafia were happy he's being targeted and jumped on board. But then you go like 'fuck it' and vote for him anyway. And voting patterns don't mean much, especially if you point them out so soon, so that Mafia will know to start switching them up the following days. | ||
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On March 03 2011 08:57 LastArgument wrote: I'm heading out for a bit and just got home from work and should be back before voting. However, until then. ##vote Jbright Phew, that's good. And here I was thinking you won't post anything of use. On March 03 2011 08:54 Barundar wrote: I feel like the Jbright analysis is based more on "scumslips" than actual behavioral analysis. Quite contrary to the conclusions drawn by Ser Aspi, I don't see Jbright answering as a pressured scum. His silly reasons and distance from the game tells me bored townie rather than scum. That's true, but Ser Aspi made equally reasonable posts about JB as well (in day one as well as day two). I don't particularly like the guy, but he did bring up some good points, and he seems to think that both are scum, if anything, JB more than Seraph. I suggest we get rid of both, and whoever wins the tally gets lynched while the other one gets vig-shot. But I am sticking with Jbright for tonight. The fact that a bunch of alternative suggestions popped up makes me think Coag may be on to something. On March 03 2011 08:56 deconduo wrote: I really dislike it when people tell me I have to vote for one of XYZ. However I agree that the votes are too spread out at the moment. Given a choice between those three I'm going to stick with my gut from yesterday. Unvote ##Vote LSB So, at first you agree with me that it's suspicious that people bussed LSB, while ignoring Jackal, which can mean that at least some of the mafia were happy he's being targeted and jumped on board. But then you go like 'fuck it' and vote for him anyway. And voting patterns don't mean much, especially if you point them out so soon, so that Mafia will know to start switching them up the following days. | ||
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However, as I said before the lynch, we should not lose focus on either of the two. Also, I think we should have a short discussion of who the Vig should hit (IF he were to hit someone tonight). Do we have a solid target for a vig hit? I'd like to see people who are lurking go belly-up, JBright included. I also don't like how Gryph is adding himself on the medic protect list just because he voted for both scum. I mean, I know it's up to the medics in the end, but I find that that move was almost as to say "I'm confirmed town". Right now, I'm not putting it past anyone to be red, as Mafia seemed to have no issue with busing so far. | ||
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On March 04 2011 01:43 bumatlarge wrote: I assumed when he said round-up, that you could get 4 kills if it was at 3.5. I didn't think you could throw in two roleblocks and squeak out 3 kills with 3.5. You want to take this outside bro? Ok but why would mafia RB two people and kill three instead of killing four at this stage of the game. Am I missing something here? | ||
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I will respond to this first, even though nobody followed-along. I don't want to be accused of trying to sweep it under the carpet. On March 04 2011 08:11 why wrote: Day 1: All throughout Day 1 Cubedin tries to say that annul isn't the best lynch while at the same time making sure he joins the wagon once it reaches the sweet-spot of after the point of no return but before it look way scummy to join the wagon. He also refuses to commit to an opinion. I always try to vote once, as I don't like changing my vote. That's why I do it in the last 12 hours of the day or so. Also, during the last 4-5 I am most likely asleep, maybe that's why I hit the "sweet spot" you are mentioning. But it was the first day, and nobody out-right defended annul, so you can't really say that I'm mafia because I soft-defended him. I defended others as well, and I always went on the idea of "let's not be 100% sure, because we can't ever be sure". On March 04 2011 08:11 why wrote: and also attacks the latest addition to the annul bandwagon, Ser Aspi, with this: Ser Aspi, I don't like. Mostly because he's being very quiet and just comes up with a FoS + Vote. Nobody is questioning that, and that always made me suspicious. However, he did pin down Seraph, so i'm fairly sure he is town at this point. I never really FoSed Jackal though. Not intentionally anyway. On March 04 2011 08:11 why wrote: The points he makes are fairly valid, but he is clearly arguing against the annul lynch at this point. Note that he also throws 2 FoS's around (on Ser Aspi and Jackal) and then backs off them by saying that we should vote for people off one or two votes. In other words, he is being extremely indecisive and wants to leave his options open. Definitely something a scum waiting to see how the wind blows on annul would post. (sorry about not reply directly under some posts, I'm trying to hurry-up here, but I think this is understandable) On March 04 2011 08:11 why wrote: Note that he spends the first half of the post getting worked up about being told he should bandwagon. I interpret this as the real CubedIn, he doesn't like to bandwagon unless he has been convinced that the vote is best for town. Then, as he himself acknowledges, he goes against his own tendencies to vote for annul even though he still doesn't think its the best lynch: So, why would he do this? Well, one explanation is that no one is scummier exists (although I think he says in the quote above that icemac is more likely mafia than annul, pretty sure there's a typo somewhere). The better explanation that fits all the data is that Cubed is mafia and wants to get on the annul bandwagon since it is really likely annul will be lynched. You're half right here, but you're taking it out of context. I did this not once, but twice. The day 2 vote was not one of my primary targets either. If you'll look at some posts you'll see that I stated that I find others (OriginalName, Chaoser) scummier, but I didn't want to have vote-spreads. Now I admit I was wrong about ON, and probably Ser Aspi, but even if I would have gone with my guts and voted for them, you will have said that I tried to keep away from making a decision. The same goes for day 3. I wanted to kill one of JBright or Seraph. I thought there is more proof pointing towards JBright and I explained this, thoroughly. I never tried to soft-defend Seraph, or derail the lynch. In fact, I went to bed quite early, and the votes were almost even. I expected vigs to hit the other target anyway (and I actually asked for this in the thread), so I didn't really care who was being lynched. Also, I might remind you that you don't really know if JBright is scum or not. If he flips red, your whole argument goes down in flames. On March 04 2011 08:11 why wrote: To start with, CubedIn needs to make a vote at this point because he is leaving for the night. As mafia, he needs to vote for JBright at this point because it was close between JBright and Seraph. Of course he could just be a town voting for the wrong person. However, this explanation doesn't hold up as we realize that Cubed can't come up with many reasons to vote JBright. Reasons 1 and 2 are both questionable reasons at best and 3 is essentially saying why Seraph isn't likely mafia. Never does Cubed actually come up with a reason that JBright is mafia based on JB's actual posts, when this is the first thing a townie would do. And then, in the last paragraph, Cubed says that we should continue to look at Seraph after the lynch. This covers him in case Seraph dies and makes him sound like he was almost suspicious enough of Seraph to vote him, but was just a little more suspicious of JBright. In other words, it is a way to distance himself from his own opinion. Again, I never said that we should not vote Seraph. I tried to explain why I voted for Jbright, but you are saying that the reasons are not solid enough. What exactly would you want me to post? I have no actual proof that either of them is mafia. I went through the thread, I read the accusations on them brought by other players, I counted their posts, etc, and I found JB to be the better lynch. On March 04 2011 08:11 why wrote: And here Cubed pushes for JBright a bit, but again not hard enough to arouse suspicion should Seraph get lynched. For someone who thinks that a Seraph/JBright lynch is pretty much a wash, he seemed to be pushing for JBright pretty hard. Conclusion: Cubedin acted the same in both scum lynches: holding off until the last possible minute to give a solid opinion while subtly defending the scum. He then makes the best possible mafia vote. It could all be coincidence, but given his posting I think he's probably scum. If it were day, I would vote CubedIn. Here is where you kinda twist things around: I never said that the lynch is a wash. If anything, I was claiming that both of them are scum. I guess that if JB flips red, I'm somewhat cleared, but even without killing JB you should realize that that's the "timing" I have for votes in all mafias so far. I just don't like being wishy-washy and voting for someone unless I'm trying to vote for pressure not vote for lynch. But you are right about one thing, I may have looked like I'm subtly defending people. I will try not to do that in the future, and be either completely for or completely against. | ||
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First of all: regarding the cells: I am not good at playing a PM game. You can ask everyone to come out, the only one I talked to via PMs was GMarshal. I would much rather post everything in the thread. The only other PM I got was from gryph: who are your town reads/scumreads? who would you be happiest lynching of your scumreads? why? I didn't bother replying, as it was a PM that had no essence. He's not sharing any information, and just asking me for my "reads". If I want to post something about someone, I'll do it in the thread, thank you. Also: On March 04 2011 17:48 gryffindor wrote: hey, what's funny is I was going to just type "GG" if i died. great minds think alike, bro. Again, trying to be subtly associated with Foolishness. I am also believing if I die, you all should investigate the JBright wagon. Because we know Jbright is green and we should lynch all who voted for him? Cop/Detectives, it is time to claim, in my honest opinion you have had multiple nights of investigations to make clears creating town clears is very pro town, and will help us Yeah, no. Detectives should only claim if they found one scum (considering there are what, 4 more left, if there were 6 to begin with? it also explains KP (3 scum = 1,5kp + GF = 1 kp, total 2,5KP - 3 kills). So it would be a trade for a detective for a scum. Even better, detective should claim to one person whom he trusts the most via PM. That person can just post what the detective said. He will have to post it even if he's mafia, otherwise there will be a lot of suspicion on him. Statistically speaking, DT has a better chance of claiming to town. If he openly claims, then he's most likely dead, even with a medic on them (because let's face it, I'm pretty sure Foolishness was protected, but he died anyway). So no, you seem awfully scummy to me at this point Gryph. As for the lynch, I will take my time before voting (lololol), as I'm more confused as to why mafia chose to go for bumatlarge. As much as I'd like to jump on LastArgument, there's a chance that he's just a townie who got green role and got really bored, and just stopped caring. The only think that makes me vote for him right now is the fact that both Foolishness and Ser Aspi picked him. If anything, the fact that he "failed to vote for either mafia" makes me think he's town, as Mafia bussed Annul, and perhaps Seraph as well. | ||
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On March 04 2011 13:12 LastArgument wrote: for all the excitement from this game and looking at the last page and seeing two giant writeup's on me I am amused. One of you guys / mafia failed pretty hard. I took a hit last night. So here's the thing: a) He's lying to prove himself as town - unlikely, unless he's playing the "let's hope town thinks there's one missing KP" b) He's telling the truth, thus he's a vet. (I really, really doubt medics would protect him). So either: medics did not protect either of the three, or, there was a vig going for one of them, and the mafia stacked Foolishness. I find it really hard to believe that mafia did not stack Foolishness. Unless they KNEW medic was not on him. Did any medic claim to anyone and told them who he'll defend? If so, you should really consider that mafia knew you were not on Foolishness. | ||
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On March 04 2011 21:02 Barundar wrote: How does that sentence even make sense?  That's the first time I hear you say that it was a bus? Care to elaborate? You fishing for medics? Really, I'm having a hard time understanding your "confused" posts. You are confused that bum got killed, but you aren't confused mafia decides to hit a guy who by means of posting during the night was almost guranteed to be a topic today. And you seem really willing to believe him to boot. Way to take everything out of context buddy. On March 04 2011 21:02 Barundar wrote: How does that sentence even make sense? I don't understand why they chose bumatlarge. What's not to understand? If I were mafia I would go for a lot of other people, like Ser Aspi, LSB, GM, LunarD, etc. Heck, even you would make a better target. I need to go over bum's posts to see what he did to piss them off. That's the first time I hear you say that it was a bus? Care to elaborate? What? I said they bussed annul before. The fact that: - nobody defends x - x wins lynch - x flips red Indicates a bus. The fact that it was apparently tied, (7-7?!) means that probably mafia have chosen to throw him under. Or are you saying that everyone who voted for Seraph is cleared? And 4 of those who voted for JBright are scum right? You fishing for medics? Yeah, because that's what I said: If so, you should really consider that mafia knew you were not on Foolishness. Not claim, but think that WHOEVER YOU TOLD WHO YOU ARE DEFENDING, might be Mafia. I never said medic should claim and I never, ever, ever encouraged anyone to claim. But I guess that's your definition of being "aggressive", putting words in someone's mouth... well you know what I mean. but you aren't confused mafia decides to hit a guy who by means of posting during the night was almost guranteed to be a topic today I only noticed that he got hit after I posted the first who things. And you seem to be awfully sure that the mafia hit him. How so? I don't see any reason for mafia to hit him, especially since Foolishness just posted about him (Ser also). I believe it was most likely a vigilante. Why are you so quick to dismiss this? I was just considering the option of mafia hitting him, in light of the 3kps being distributed evenly. But unless a medic informed someone of who they will protect I really have doubts that mafia would just shoot Foolishness once, as, of all people, he is by FAR most likely to be protected. But ok, let's just put our heads in the ground and have no vigs claim, no medics think about maybe they are trusting the wrong people, and assume that mafia is not thinking their hits through. | ||
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If you were mafia and you wanted to kill Foolishness, would you only use one KP? I don't know who's putting you on Solid town, as I didn't hear people around here coming to defend you at any point. I'm just saying, you're not addressing any of the accusations I made recently, you're using pure WIFOM "If I were mafia, would I not shift vote"??! Well I don't know man, is JB green??!? Because if they're both red it doesn't really matter who you voted for, right? Cuz I'm sitting here trying to defend against people that automatically assume that JB is green/blue, and I have no freaking idea why that is. | ||
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On March 05 2011 05:37 LSB wrote: Oh I feel dumb, Seraph would have been modkilled anyways so there would be no real reason to try to off Jbright, besides just killing one more townie. I am confused, AGAIN. Why is this? If Seraph would have been modkilled, why would we vote for him? How does Seraph being red prove Jbright is town? I'm seriously asking, since a lot of people have been going on this already, and I fear I missed something. Regarding the vig hit: - why not claim sooner? - why not Barundar? I get that you called for another vig to hit him, buy why not do it yourself the day after you saw that nobody did. You were arguing with him, you called for vig, no vig shot him, you called for vig again, and decided to shoot someone else? I'm sorry, but that just doesn't make much sense. Why did everyone shift focus off Kev? is it because he said "I am townie"? Bottom line is this: If nobody else claims vig shot on LA, I am 90% sure that LA is town. This is because mafia had NO REASON to hit him as Ser and Foolishness just posted about him. So it was a vig. If it wasn't LSB, and you're not claiming, then you're playing badly, because you're letting LSB confirm himself as town. True, there might be a big evil plan by mafia, and have them both lie, but it would be extremely risky, as another vig could finish LA off or hit LSB and then they would lose two players (even if there's no lynch). So it doesn't make much sense. So, as long as there's no other vig, we can assume they're both town. The only think I really don't get is why did LSB choose LA when he wanted to off Barundar all this time? This is fishy, but I'd rather hear "I had my reasons" then "I didn't wanna stack". Please. | ||
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a) Mafia did it - makes no sense b) Another vig did it and is keeping quiet - makes even less sense. I get that LSB's defense doesn't look good, but that doesn't mean he's red. He might just be trying to justify the fact that he did something stupid. Also, @ why, thanks for the shout-out, lol. | ||
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So LA decided to try to get off lynch by claiming he got hit and LSB decided to claim he was the one that hit him? We're going back to "extremely risky" strategy. Especially since there's just 4 scum left. But ok, I guess it's a possibility. | ||
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On March 06 2011 06:06 Ser Aspi wrote: 3 Here is the kicker. After all the bullshit you say about being decisive, after all the suspicion and doubt you put on all these dumb townies throughout the game, you don't say a damn word about cubedin (might as well air all the dirty laundry now) or kevconsim. Cubedin has made multiple 8 paragraph posts which boil down to "I dont know anything and dont have a real opinion about anyone," while nobody in the game has successfully forced a strong opinion out of kevconsim despite multiple thread and pm attempts. And GUESS WHO FELL ONTO THE JBRIGHT TRAP? Chaoser, cubedin, kevconsim. It's just a coincidence right!??!? RIGHT???? No fucking way scumbo. Right. You "made a trap" within the town-circle, and are raining down upon whoever voted for JB, even though you gave reasons to lynch him yourself. I'm sure there were only mafia outside your circle, right? I made posts and I explained why I chose JB, I always pushed that both be killed, if you don't believe me, fine. It's pretty obvious someone role-checked JB and he flipped green or blue, and now you're acting like a wise ass because you know that, while other people in the game do not. But fine, go ahead and lynch me for that. I'll die with a smile on my face when you see what I flip. I won't even try to defend myself against this. But trust me, when I'm mafia, I care enough for the game as to not get trapped in the wrong band-wagon. I learned that the hard way in Harry Potter. As for now, I'll go with Jackal and vote Chaoser. I've posted things against him in the past, and I already told you that LSB and LA are 90% town. But of course, you should consider this a bus-vote. ##Vote Chaoser | ||
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On March 06 2011 07:31 Barundar wrote: Coagulation suddenly deciding to join the game, or cubedin suddenly showing decisiveness by voting chaoser, changes nothing for that opinion. EXCUSE ME? I RESENT THAT! I'm not showing decisiveness, this is the regular time of voting for me. Also, I've been poking at chaoser repeatedly during this game. And if I have to choose between him and LSB, it's not even a dilemma. | ||
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On March 06 2011 08:49 GMarshal wrote: I know, the point of this is that before we knew that it was not necessarily a mistake to want to lynch LSB based on the information we had at hand Oh I see. Well, I agree that the wagon on LSB doesn't prove much, because LSB has been targeted many, many times this game. So I kinda get why people would pick him over LA. It's just that chaoser has been far more aggressive than anyone else, and he's had some shifty posts in the past (see vote on LSB in day 2, with no real arguments). Well, off to sleep now. | ||
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That was a desperate attempt to keep lynch on LSB. Almost too desperate, compared to what happened so far in the game. Makes me think that GM/Barundar could just be really stubborn townies. But on the other hand, the mafia would put up a fight when there are only four people left, so at least some of the "anti-LSB" band must've been red. I'm still highly suspicious of gryffindor and kev atm. | ||
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I also agree that you've been right a couple of times in this game. But then again, that's not real proof because it's really easy to be right as mafia. You just have to know how to ration it out. I was just suspicious of your actions in which you are putting yourself in the same boat as the veterans, without actually contributing in the same way that they do. Either way, I think that what you just did is incredibly dumb. | ||
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A few thoughts before I hit the sack. 1. Lol @ mafia hits. I'm trying to figure them out but I can't. I was thinking that gryph might be a vet and he's trying to defend Coag with his claim, thus my overzealous reaction, but apparently mafia either wanted to make sure they get their kills in, or they are insane or something. 2. I was wrong about JBright, my bad >.> 3. For today, I'll most likely go with Gryff. He's been one of the people I suspected early on with the "forced-alliance" with Foolishness that I've been posting about. I didn't get to read everything yet, but did anyone point out that he called medics to defend him at one point? If he's a vet then why the hell would you wanna use up medics? And if nothing else, I've been following LSB and Jakal, I ain't about to stop now while the steamrolling is going good. 4. A question: I see that it's being debated that LD is GF. Does that mean he's confirmed townie or something? I mean, I get when you suspect someone to be red but suspecting as GF means that he's been found green/blue, right? I totally missed the part of the thread where that happened, or I'm just too tired. I hope I'll get in tomorrow a lot sooner and contribute to the lynch, but I'm pretty sure I'm not gonna change my vote. ##vote Gryffindor | ||
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Why ask for medic protection? Really. So far you've claimed: medic/vet/green. None of these roles are actually worthy of medic protection. What the hell? Detective, Vig, maybe even mat hatter early on would be ok. But you ask to be protected as medic/vet/townie? Really? And you're accusing others of atrocious town play. Well if you actually flip townie or vig or even medic then you are the one with the horrible town play. That's the way I see it. Town resources should be used to their best ability. Asking for protection without a very good power role, or a damn good reason (like knowing for sure you'll be hit) is dumb. | ||
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What the hell. I couldn't sleep, woke up, decided to browse TL and saw a PM from Gryph. So lynch isn't done yet? Well, either one is fine with me, but I suspect gryph a lot more at this point. Here's why: You explained why you claimed medic, that's fine, but it's not what I asked. What I asked was: Why would you ASK FOR MEDIC PROTECTION while not having a strong power role? Honestly, there are only two acceptable answers for that a) I'm scum b) I'm a bad town-player. I'm inclined to believe b), based on Ser Aspi's indications (that he chose seraph out of us three), but I want to hear an explanation first. You got 10 minutes. | ||
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I trusted LSB from the get-go, he was one of the initial guys who pushed for Annul, he helped town push for Chaoser, and he was basically very pro-town from the start imo. He's been on the right side too many times, and was power-pushing people, unlike the other who were quietly voting. Now, take the "list". Him and Foolishness were primary targets. I'd have added Ser and Barundar to that list, or really close behind. For you to ask for medic protection just because "you're THAT good", seems just wrong. And you know what, for someone who thinks he's awesome at this, you sure lied your ass off. | ||
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##Vote: oHn I'm gonna agree with LSB on this one, sort-of. You may be a bad townie, but we're not in a position to miss lynches. | ||
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On March 09 2011 13:13 gryffindor wrote: I wish I would have just let you all lynch me :p Me too. Well this blows. I think there should be strict punishment for going belly-up due to inactivity on the last few days of the game, without at least announcing it. This pretty much screwed the entire game. That being said, the fact that both ohN and gryph were town made me facepalm irl. I still don't get how is it a good move to ask for medic protection, and then manage to get yourself off a lynch, only to get modkilled after the other guy flips town. That's splendid. I couldn't screw town more if I tried. /rage ...but at least I guess Jackal will feel less angry when he wakes up. | ||
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What I meant was: How is it a good move to ask for protection as vanilla townie. Not to mention claiming stuff over and over, splitting the town in half over trusting you, etc. Meh. Moving on. I'm gon' go sleep. | ||
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But yeah, I was also leaning into Kev/LD, out of the ones who are still breathing. Also maybe GM, but I'll discuss more after night post. | ||
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I mean, would I kill Ser Aspi after he posted that I should die? Whatever, I'll tell you right now that I won't bother arguing much about it, you can go over the posts yourselves and make up your own mind. You're basically lynching me because of JBright, which is a vote I gave before I went to sleep and then people kinda moved over to Seraph. I voted for Annul and Chaoser. If I were mafia I'd have switched to Seraph since he died anyway. But, again, it's your choice town. We got this far, and I can't prove I'm townie other than my post history. All I ask is that you make a decision for yourself. If you think I'm scum, then lynch me, but I've been pro-town this whole game, even if I was wrong now and then. I'm not asking you not to vote for me, I'm just asking you to think for yourself and not go with the wagon. As for me, since I'm pretty much picking between LD and Kev, I'll probably stick my vote on one of them. LD has been lurking a lot, which is pretty different from the way he's usually playing as town or sk (see previous games). He might be busy, but in this whole game he didn't bother to make a case against anyone, which is very suspicious for a player of his caliber imo. ##vote LunarDestiny | ||
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"Putting doubt out there that jbright was really town, trying to distract us from the mafia stacking on jbright to avoid the seraph lynch." ...and then killing Jbright to prove myself wrong. Am I brilliant or wut? Ok I'm done, need to get back to work, more on this tonight. | ||
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So yeah, I was thinking that I shouldn't give up and try to convince town that I'm town. Thinking that if I'd give up then it's considered anti-town play. But I can't, really, the reasons why people are voting for me are part WIFOM. I get Ser Aspi, and I get why. I'll try to do better in the future, post less and more to the point. So, again, I can't really give more proof than to ask you to read my posts again (or just the examples Ser Aspi pointed out, assuming that those are some of the "worst"), and think about whether they were sincere or mafia trying to blend in. I'll go to bed now. Good luck with the lynch and during the night, as I might not be able to post tomorrow until very late, or not at all. Peace. | ||
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I was like wtf I'm not that! How did I not know. I wish I could tell you: do you NOOBS seriously think that I would kill Jackal and Ser aspi after they both said "umm, if i die kill cubedin", but... there's no mind games in TL mafia, people just follow whoever they trust, no matter what they do in the endgame. That being said, if I get mafia any time soon, I'll totally bus my entire team so I'm #1 scum hunter, and then win the game all by my alone. Enjoy losing, town. You kinda earned it. | ||
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IF I DIE, KILL GMARSHAL! | ||
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I say we go with Kev and declare me the absolute winner. Thank you, thank you. | ||
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Yes, we were favored, and yes, I didn't contribute much in the mafia thread. But it's the 4th time in a row I get scum and I'm sick of making stuff up to post that looks pro town, only to be outed for trying to be too pro-town. And I was the one who said Ser Aspi was a smurf, mostly because of all the sheeping that was going on. You said that we couldn't counter-argue him and foolishness, but the fact of the matter is, all they did was post the analysis, and most of the town, being clueless, sheeped along. When they were wrong, the town was wrong. When they were right, the town was right. Props to them for being good scum hunters, but there was no arguing with the town when all of them would switch their votes in the last 3-4 hours of the day. LSB did good as well, and others too, I'm not trying to take away the victory from anyone, but out of the 30 people, I felt as if we were only fighting 5 or 6. Anyway, if the setup would've been open, we could've just taken down foolishness ser aspi and lsb sooner, but we were thinking that there are 3 medics or so given that we started with 3,5 kp. It doesn't matter that none of them were blue, but the town would've been really toast if it wasn't for those three, imo. | ||
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