EPTit really just depends on how you use it, and the commitments it takes to do it properly. Usually the commitments outweigh the benefits, so it shouldn't be done.
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gryffindor
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it really just depends on how you use it, and the commitments it takes to do it properly. Usually the commitments outweigh the benefits, so it shouldn't be done. | ||
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On March 01 2011 23:52 JBright wrote: Well, that was something I wrote right before I went to sleep, so I wasn't going to answer any more until later. Going back to SA's axis of evil, I already gave my (non)opinion on LD, but what about Seraph? Since I haven't been too active myself, I can hardly point my fingers at another low activity player. He seems to come on in spurts during each day/night cycle and didn't have very much to say except for his latest post. I didn't think too much of it, but I suppose the part about the icemac analysis seems strange. There was only ~20 min before the end of voting, so who was he really trying to convince? Won't be reading this until at least 9pm Eastern, so I'll place my vote now. Since I've already thrown around some FoS, might as well vote for one of them. I believe that townies tend to play more aggressive in terms of scum hunting, so I'll keep my vote off GM and SA for now. If LD does post before voting ends, I could be persuaded to vote for him. I'll just go with gryffindor since he's the third of my gut picks. ##Vote: Gryffindor I have actually been defending most of the bigger wagons to people in PMs. 1) why did you feel the need to use parenthesis here? I have only seen scum do that 2) why would you vote for the 3rd of your gut reads? That looks suspicious. @LSB 1) why are you defending LD? 2) you cut out the pimp shoes 3) I feel like you are fake-defending JBright to cover up your actual wanting to keep LD alive | ||
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On March 02 2011 03:45 LSB wrote: The lynch sucks Again, I feel like its another "iceman" esq lynch. This time I don't even think he supported Annul. OK? speaking of iceman, both of these guys were on the iceman wagon, but not annul. How do you defend that? He's voting me, why wouldn't I want him lynched? How about you actually interpret the post properly, and realize I want you to contribute more than posting pointless one liners. I sent that PM to someone proving I had sent it to you. Deconduo, did I send you that PM before Coagulation posted it? The reason I push this last point is because you are essentially strawmanning here by not addressing my real issue with that vote... the fact YOU HAD NO REASONING WITH IT. On March 02 2011 07:32 bumatlarge wrote: Considering all the games in the last few months where I survived past night 2 I've been scum, isn't this a good thing? ;D I like this post a lot though, I'll be using the voting pattern list you made. You should have seen the picture of his computer, lol he said "i have way too much time on my hands" ! On March 02 2011 09:01 LSB wrote: I agree 4 KP is overpowered, but I do believe that Jackal is telling the truth. I still think we should lynch Barundar. My points about him forcing analysis still stands. Or we should check out the Iceman lynch day 1 to see if it was actually a bus by mafia. check out the iceman lynch... day 1... to see if it was a bus... ? excuse me? Also, considering both you and Jackal have essentially claimed power roles that can be roleblocked, you all need to fully claim. You all will be role reversed anyways, and with LYLO only 2 lynches away if we hit MLs sadly, it is time for claims from you two. On March 02 2011 09:04 LSB wrote: If we trust Annul, and assume that there is one godfather. 4 Mafia left, 1 of which is godfather That leaves mafia with 2.5 KP. Which is a bit suspect, especially since 3 people died night one. A more standard setup would be 6 mafia, 1 of which is godfather 5 Mafia left, 1 of which is godfather That leaves mafia with 3 KP. Mafia would have used all their KP on hits night one, meaning if they roleblocked both me and Jackal, that means a vig should have hit. I don't even see how you could believe there are only 4 left. Possible given all the mechanics, but that seems a bit low. Maybe they balanced it out expecting all the modkills that always happen?  From my point of view, you are being misleading. You claim a guy bussed yesterday, and he counterclaims you. You claim you were roleblocked today, and a guy counterclaims you, which is even fishier given the amount of kills last night. Do you not see how your play so far could be detrimental to the town? I hope you do. On March 02 2011 09:17 LSB wrote: Why was the first to point out Icemac, coincidentally he did this after my assault on annul. At the same time though, he wasn't really a annul supporter and did attack him a few times. This reads as, well, he made a case... at the time we lynched mafia... but he's not that suspicious, you guys! i swear! If I had to vote right now, it would definitely be on you. I was going to urge you/jackal/jbright to actually get on a relevant wagon, but I am considering making one myself. You really need to full claim. On March 02 2011 11:53 Jackal58 wrote: JBright is town. kevconsim is scum. Don't even ask me to explain, analyze, prove. It is what it is. UNVOTE: LD VOTE: kevconsim He was on the annul wagon, and at a very good time to not be scum. You NEED to explain. I'm not ASKING you to explain, I'm telling you. I'm pretty sure he is town. I'm going to Vote: LSB until I can see that he rectifies the situation with having been counterclaimed on consecutive days, although on d2 it was hardly legit as there wasn't a conspiracy. | ||
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Time to claim, folks, since you stupidly outted yourselves. | ||
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On February 24 2011 10:24 gryffindor wrote: Annul is teamed with gmarshal. When mafia fos someone d1 and vote someone else they are teamed with their fos. On my phone, will catch up more later. This is a huge slip for d1 though, two scum caught possibly. Sup | ||
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I agree with the above 1.2.3.4., and I would like to add the fact that Barundar picked up on him claiming both to be roleblocked, and to be a townie. That seems like a townie wouldn't be informed of that! | ||
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Also, even if that is the case, why would scum waste a roleblock on a townie? | ||
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The votes are pitifully strewn about, and I fully expect a lot of wagon hopping in the next couple of hours. We need to form an active-person-voting bloc. I was imagining this in my car. Myself, Foolishness, LSB, Deconduo, Barundar, Cubedin, LunarDestiny, Jackal, Bum, Ser Aspi, Chaoser ^I am not happy with any of these lynches, although I would consider LSB because of his anti-town player d2+, even considering his "pro-town" play d1, even if he has cognitive bias in relation to how terrible it was due to him eventually being on a scum wagon. What about ohN? Guy has been seriously lurking. | ||
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it says "THE godfather represents 1kp", also there will be 6 in a game this size. So, we should have 4 at .5, and 1 at 1, meaning 3kp 3 deaths, either a vig isn't claiming, or someone is lying Eventually, if a vig doesn't come forward, we need to lynch between Jackal and LSB. Maybe even if a vig comes forward, if we determine they are scum collectively as a town. | ||
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On March 03 2011 05:02 CubEdIn wrote: Let me put it another way: I don't think Jackal is particularly suspicious, I find that other players are suspicious for not trying to make a case against Jackal as well (particularly bum & chaoser). I, for one, don't see a reason why he would counterclaim here as mafia. It feels way more town to create a potential counterclaim and lynch one or the other scenario in which you've caught scum if a vig doesn't come forward given the likely amount of mafia, due to balance On March 03 2011 05:22 LSB wrote: In addition, if I was mafia, why would I claim to be roleblocked? It would only cause more suspicion to myself, especially since (assuming Jackal isn't lying) Jackal would also be claiming The reason why I claimed to be roleblocked is because it is standard practice for town to claim when they are roleblocked. In addition, I'm disappointed by the day 3 lynch. When we have very attractive scum such as SeRapH, instead people decide to 'vote for information'? Lynching for information is horrible. What useful information would you guys get when I flip green? 1) I wouldn't be as suspicious of LunarDestiny for defending you in the post above this, or of Cubedin for posting that he wanted to lynch for information, which you have been holding onto like that chick held onto that wooden door in the movie Titanic. LSB, you know, maybe it's time to let go On March 03 2011 05:24 LSB wrote: I didn't talk with Seraph, but Gmarshal did say he had a conversation with him. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/iTVAK.jpg) that's seraph? Saying we should ignore annul? NM, I'll wait up on you until tomorrow LSB, you just gave me a better candidate On March 03 2011 05:36 Coagulation wrote: I just want to point at that I STARTED THE DAY WITH VOTE ON JBRIGHT People followed and he had a good amount of votes and suddenly suspects are being brought up left and right now THE AMOUNT OF SUSPECTS THAT POPPED UP FOR DEBATE SO EARLY INTO THE LYNCH INDICATES JBRIGHT IS SCUM. um.. Foolishness's cases on LunarDestiny and Seraph preceded your voting, nice try LSB being up for lynch is from d2 as well, and he has been counterclaimed on roleblock you're reading too much into this, bro On March 03 2011 05:41 Coagulation wrote: HEY Barundar I GOT MY EYE ON YOU AND YOUR AGGRESSIVE SCUM PLAY Also, that's actually a mafia-acronym! IGMEOY: ACE On March 03 2011 06:44 deconduo wrote: I was just about to say that theres a lot of lurkers, especially ohn and LA. Yeah, I'd be happy if it shifted onto them, but we don't get a lot of information out of their flips. Since I was fairly certain GMarshal was annul's buddy from d1, and he is defending Seraph while subversively trying to get me lynched through even posting those inane PMS which are illogical and trying to aim at a ML, so if or when Seraph flips red we lynch GMarsh On March 03 2011 09:02 chaoser wrote: please post more lists that have no meaning because they take out all the context. HOW IS A VOTING BLOC MEANINGLESS OR OUT OF CONTEXT? On March 03 2011 09:09 deconduo wrote: I like lists. I'm not very good at doing huge long analyses on people, so I look at little things that other people tend to gloss over. Like voting patterns. Like what wagons people were on and why they changed. In this case, the three of you have voted the exact same way so far in all lynches. Might be a coincidence but what harm does it do to post it? FYI you are one of the few people I have pegged as probably town. Also its not out of context because there is no context. It is what it is. and that's legitimate scumhunting in my eyes. at least, even if YOU can't use it for scumhunting, it really helps players like me who look for associative connections. I doubt all 3 of them are scum, though. I believe kevconsim is the bored townie in that bunch. Typically, mafia actually try not to wagon too hard, unless it gets close to mylo/lylo (like foolishness said, when they know they can win that day or the next) | ||
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also, people who are active can be held accountable. Mafia want us to think that If we leave you/LSB, for instance, we always have a 50/50 scumlynch based upon how many scum are obviously left in this game (5) with the possibility of godfather(s) However, given that line of that, what if mafia decided they DIDN'T WANT A GODFATHER AT ALL? Cover: Cost .5KP makes a player appear as townie 1 night cycle. .... actually, it appears they HAVE to choose one Godfather: Night 1 mafia must choose their Godfather(s). The godfather(s) will then choose what role/alignment they will appear as for rest of the game. If not chosen will be RNG'd. The Godfather is worth 1KP. This leads me to believe that there might be two mafia factions, or a Serial Killer There are a lot of explanations EBWOF5: I'm going to join you on Seraph. I didn't like his PMs trying to get Gmarshal to lynch me, and I'm sold both him and GMarshal are mafia. Possibly with LSB. I'm also pretty sure there is a Serial Killer or a 2nd mafia faction, if a vig didn't hit, unless LSB/you are lying. If this game is following the standard for TL mafia games as I know it, though, Mafia should be at 3kp, giving them an opportunity to roleblock and be at 2.5, meaning 3 kills still. Therefore, they COULD ONLY HAVE ROLEBLOCKED 1 PERSON. That being said, we need to end this KP speculation... I'm so flip flopping on a few things. | ||
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JBright is a really easy mislynch, although I didn't like his parenthesis, I really want GMarshal implicated as I'm fairly certain he is scum, and I really, really, really liked the Seraph wagon in comparison to the amount of active-scummy players who I want to keep around for now like GMarshal, and surprisingly, recently, Cubedin. The players on the Seraph wagon feel less scummy, it was a vote under at 6 vs the 7 of JBright, who I feel might be a mislynch, so I evened up the Seraph wagon. Jump on in, the water's fine. | ||
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at first, i didn't like coagulation's unvote, but I do now | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + jk  BTW, GMarshal defended him, and I picked up on GMarshal being scum with Annul a week ago, on the 26th of February. He is our next lynch. | ||
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On March 03 2011 12:43 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I made a mistake Night 1 with the role PM's which made the mafia not realize that their KP rounds up. This cost them the ability to use a power. To compensate for that Night 2 I gave them an extra .5KP ....................................... AND THIS IS FAIR? You just completely made me believe LSB or Jackal had to be scum because of that, yet you didn't clarify what you were doing before you did it? Half of my posts today have been influenced by that. This is terrible........... | ||
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