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Jackal58
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On March 01 2011 12:10 chaoser wrote: either a vigi shot and mafia only used 1.5 KP for 2 kills and used 2KP for powers or vigi didn't shoot and mafia used 2.5 KP for 3 kills and 0.5KP for Roleblock on LSB (if he really did get roleblocked) You missed an rb. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 01 2011 12:15 chaoser wrote: ... Then either someone is lying or there were 7 mafia 4 KP->3.5 KP->1 KP for 2 roleblocks and 2.5 KP for 3 kills unless vigi But that means they started with 4 KP...is that a normal KP to have? We would have lost 4 townies on night 1. OP alludes to the possibility of multiple godfathers in play. We need a vigi claim now. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 01 2011 12:20 chaoser wrote: even with multiple GF, lets say there were 2 GF, that would mean probs 3 regular for 3.5KP to start. Annul died, still 3 KP, only enough for 1 RB. I know. I'm going to take Gmarshalls advice atm. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 01 2011 13:04 LunarDestiny wrote: This post's purpose is to ask jackal to describe what he meant. If I respond to you now, that would just make my post pointless. I promise you (not going to forget this time), that I will give you an explanation after jackal respond to my post or deuceuo's post relating to this subject. ok? Respond to what? A pointless argument that I decided was a difference in opinion? Respond to a question I already answered? And then said fuck it when decon didn't like my answer? I felt at the time it wasn't worth having a pissing contest over. You just had an argument with gryff over alleged PM content. That's why I think it's a bad idea. But I said that already. Only scum would attempt to continue making an issue out of a non-issue. ##VOTE: Lunar Destiny | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 01 2011 19:47 LunarDestiny wrote: First of all, the pm thing I had is with Foolishness and I did not say his posting of the pm to call me out a bad thing. I am fine with it and glad to explain it. Now I ask you to give reason why you think posting pm is bad. To restate my question, give your reasons why posting pm is bad. Does the con outweigh the pro? (find my counter arguments from my post in the pm chain). This is just a simple question. Which I answered. Perhaps my answer was too simple. Posting PMs in my opinion is an easy way for scum to influence town. Particular at end game. That is "IN MY OPINION". If you disagree with my opinion fine. It's not worthy of an argument. Unless you are scum and wish to appear that you are contributing. Because that's all it is. Appearance. And ![[image loading]](http://www.powderblueorbit.com/2wm3x36.gif) | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 01 2011 23:52 JBright wrote: Well, that was something I wrote right before I went to sleep, so I wasn't going to answer any more until later. Going back to SA's axis of evil, I already gave my (non)opinion on LD, but what about Seraph? Since I haven't been too active myself, I can hardly point my fingers at another low activity player. He seems to come on in spurts during each day/night cycle and didn't have very much to say except for his latest post. I didn't think too much of it, but I suppose the part about the icemac analysis seems strange. There was only ~20 min before the end of voting, so who was he really trying to convince? Won't be reading this until at least 9pm Eastern, so I'll place my vote now. Since I've already thrown around some FoS, might as well vote for one of them. I believe that townies tend to play more aggressive in terms of scum hunting, so I'll keep my vote off GM and SA for now. If LD does post before voting ends, I could be persuaded to vote for him. I'll just go with gryffindor since he's the third of my gut picks. ##Vote: Gryffindor Of course we do. You don't have to hunt for your scum buddies. You get a list from the host. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 02 2011 06:21 GMarshal wrote: Yep, so I think its safe to assume that the vigi isn't going to claim (meaning there was no vigi shot), which presents us with an issue, either scum have 3.5+ kp or someone is lying... Was anybody role blocked during night 1? If somebody claimed it I missed it. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
Didn't have to be rb. Dammit GM you're scaring me. Wtf is this "Super Mafia"? | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 02 2011 06:52 GMarshal wrote: not that I am aware of, but they can still use kp to frame and cover, so that dosn't mean much, since I can't see what benefit you guys would derive from lying about being role blocked then I will assume you are telling the truth. My paranoid side thought LSB was setting me up for something. But nothing has come up in that area. It's been 20 hours since day post. If a vig shot he should have claimed by now. If scum was trying to set me up I think we would have seen the beginnings of that by now. So I'm going to go with the assumption that scum has 3.5 - 4 kp. That would almost certainly require multiple godfathers. Or a boat load of scum. Neither scenario is all that appealing. The only reason I can think of for either of us to lie would be to force town to lynch both of us to trade 1 townie for 1 scum. With the kp at scums disposal I can't even fathom why they would feel compelled to do that atm. Even if a vigi shot and has not claimed, scum would have at least 3 kp at their disposal. Of course the flip side of all this is either LSB or I or both of us is lying to appear to be town. Again with the kp mafia appears to be holding why bother? Analyze that Barundar!!! I'm going bowling. Sorry (apology, lynch him!!!!) I won't be back until tomorrow. If I post again tonight it probably won't be coherent.  | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
Don't even ask me to explain, analyze, prove. It is what it is. UNVOTE: LD VOTE: kevconsim | ||
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Jackal58
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On March 02 2011 12:07 LSB wrote: Are you in contact with a DT or is this based off of analysis? It's based off of 50 some years of people trying to blow smoke up my ass. He's scum. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 02 2011 12:13 LSB wrote: Interesting uhh explanation... How about we just kill Barundar? Because I'm not convinced Barunder is scum. kevinconscum is. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 02 2011 16:15 gryffindor wrote: LSB/Jackal, care to give a reason not to fullclaim, as you've already outted yourself as power roles, and mafia will be able to use role reversals on you (therefore, it might be best to submit no actions during the night, informing the moderator you don't want to use actions if you are a role that it will directly affect. The only roles you can be are Cop/DT/MH/Vig/Doctor, all of which will probably be role reversed, unless you are mafia. Time to claim, folks, since you stupidly outted yourselves. I'll bet you searched your parent's bedroom for your Christmas presents too. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 03 2011 01:23 gryffindor wrote: Thank you, deconduo I agree with the above 1.2.3.4., and I would like to add the fact that Barundar picked up on him claiming both to be roleblocked, and to be a townie. That seems like a townie wouldn't be informed of that! You are informed of being role blocked whether you have a role or not. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 03 2011 03:11 gryffindor wrote: How would you know that? It makes no sense to work that way. Also, even if that is the case, why would scum waste a roleblock on a townie? You would have to ask RoL or Meapak why that is. It has been that way in every game I've played so far. How does scum know what a persons role is? All they know are their scum buddies. I could claim to be Madonna but that doesn't mean I am. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 03 2011 03:52 chaoser wrote: If that was the case then RoL would have written that in the OP. Or told them in their little scum meetings. Wouldn't be the first time an aww shit was discovered by the host as the game got started and changes were made. XXXVI comes to mind. Regarding the mayor being immune to role blocking. Kav was a medic protecting his bodyguard. Ya that rule got changed. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 03 2011 05:01 CubEdIn wrote: Ok I understand all the analysis, but you're missing one point: If you are all correct, and you are saying that mafia only used ONE role-block, then why are we instantly assuming it was LSB who lied? I am only asking because I see no good reason for LSB to lie, other than to semi-confirm himself as town. I'm just saying, if I was red, and I wanted to pull something like this, I wouldn't be claiming Role-Block from the first few hours of the day, I would wait and see if nobody else claims, because it's "unsafe" to do that so early. The only way I see it is if he saw 3 kills and figured that mafia don't have any more KPs to use. Not that I have anything against Jackal, I really don't, but I don't know why people are hating on LSB and nobody is really pushing Jackal. I considered not claiming it at all. But then I decided that it would be better if town knew. It does a few things. Forces a discussion of scum kp. Forces a discussion of what advantage it would give to either LSB or I to claim RB. At the time I made the claim I thought LSB was lying. Now I'm not so sure of that position. Even if he was that would mean scum are sitting on 3 kp. If so they will still be able to kill 3 of us tomorrow night. I see no advantages to scum for lying. Why bring that kind of attention to yourself? I dunno. Maybe I'm thinking to hard about this. The only possible reason I can see for scum to claim a fake RB is to create a scenario where both people that claimed get lynched. Trading 1 town for 1 scum. If mafia team is still capable of killing 3/night they have no reason to trade. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 03 2011 06:05 CubEdIn wrote: You misunderstand. I said that I get the argument that one of them could be red, since we don't get where the extra action comes from, but I am suspicious of the fact that people are so quick to jump on LSB, and not Jackal. I don't think that Jackal is red, and I don't see why LSB would claim being Role-Blocked. I never said I'm 100% sure that one of them is red. If LSB flips green are we lynching Jackal, based on your argument? I'm not "discussing" Jackal and LSB because I already said (and not once) that they seem town to me. Albeit there's a lot of WIFOM that can lead to LSB being red. No actual proof though. Because a good portion of day 2 was consumed by an LSB vs Barundar pissing contest. Plus he's probably better looking than I am. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 03 2011 06:18 GMarshal wrote: Alright, LSB requested that I please post my PM conversation with seraph, so I decided there would be no harm in doing so, keep in mind this conversation took place in the firs 3-4 hours of the first day + Show Spoiler + Original Message From seRapH: Well I hit a pretty number so I'll stop posting in the thread and move to PMs ^_^ Anyways, what's your take on chaoser and gryffindor? + Show Spoiler + Original Message From GMarshal: chaoser is an active poster, so even if he is mafia I would let him be for now, as he is likely to slip up later, right now I want to see who is going to be inactive and pressure the hell out of them. gryffindor sets off my scum radar because of his vet claim, especially after I said not to claim, however I just don;t think he would be stupid enough to post that if he were mafia. annul is annoying me due to what I see as his intentional stupidity, which could be a scum tell, coag is being his usual unreadable self, so I may consider proposing him as a lynch target your thoughts? + Show Spoiler + Original Message From seRapH: Chaoser strikes me as a panicking scum, but I could be wrong. Selfish townies like staying alive too. At the very least he's made my list to watch. Gryffindor is either really bad or is playing a game with some sort of intricate plan. I'm looking at the setup though, and I don't see how a mass claim could benefit town within reasonable probability. Honestly, I'm really afraid of annul, since the two games I've played with him he's been godfather XD. And both times he's won. So who knows. If he starts an unreasonable bandwagon though I'm going to push for his lynch. Coag I've learned to ignore. If we really get nothing better at the end of the day though may as well kill him because he really won't be giving us anything In any case, we have a lot of time. We should be able to dig up something better than coag. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From GMarshal: The thing with Chaoser is that he gets targeted day1 almost every game so he takes poorly to it, I'm in a PM circle with him however and he seems like he is pro town at the moment, however I will keep my eye on him. Gryffindor i dont understand, he is top of my scum list ATM, there is no way claiming vet is a good idea, and I honestly don't believe him, mass claims generally don't help town except in really specific setups, so it wouldn't help here Annul I haven't played much with so I'll believe your read of his playstyle when you get one, I actually really respect coag's scum hunting abilities, despite his occasional slip up (Guts and Glory, ugh >.<), so if only for that I'd like to keep him around barring any solid scum reads today I'm going to go for an inactive/lurker lynch however we still have 46 hours or so, so we'll have more to analyze tommorow. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From seRapH: Oh ok. Not too familiar with chaoser, first game with him (I think?). You're in a whole circle with him? Huh. Well I'm sure you know what you're doing. Gryffindor... His votes thus far have been on who? Foolishness and you? He's piling on the scumminess. The only thing he's got going for him is that no one's even trying to defend him. But maybe his scumbuddies just haven't had time to voice themselves. And conversation two on 2/26/11 18:25 + Show Spoiler + Original Message From GMarshal: So, since you seem to be shy of posting in the thread or something I thought I'd PM you So, what are your thoughts on the current situation? + Show Spoiler + Lol sorry I'm not exactly on top of my game right now There is definitely experience in the mafia. If annul gave up because his team sucked it was not because everyone on his team sucked. Look towards veterans and good players, at least one of them is scum, I wouldn't be surprised if it were someone who's usually much more active too. Who are you thinking about lynching, or are you content with staying back and watching people's reactions for now? I might have to end up trusting your judgement by the end of the day, depending on how sober I am in 48 hours >_> + Show Spoiler + At this point I want to see how people react to pressure, I'm starting to light a fire under the inactives, (i've PMed most of them), and the OMGUS by gryff was really suspicious. Also cube is lurking which is really rare in him, so I would look to him as a potential scum. I can understand being busy on a weekend, (I have exams next week, its going to be glorious -_- ) so no worries, we still have 48 hours to see how things play out So yeah, nothing in there that I see as incriminating, in fact I think it points at seraph being town. Thoughts? First thought is if you, LSB and Seraph are all scum this means nothing. I'm not pointing an FoS at anybody I'm just not interested in reading PMs | ||
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