EPTpeople to keep alive:
gryffindor
foolishness
coagulation
kenpachi
ser aspi
leaning town:
lunardestiny
LastArgument (you're thinking, WUT?, but i'll explain if questioned)
MrWiggles
leaning scum:
GMarshal
The guy voting annul
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
people to keep alive: gryffindor foolishness coagulation kenpachi ser aspi leaning town: lunardestiny LastArgument (you're thinking, WUT?, but i'll explain if questioned) MrWiggles leaning scum: GMarshal The guy voting annul | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
the fact he is pushing ANYONE is better than being inactive and not held accountable | ||
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gryffindor
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Him making a far-reaching case on me reads as town. Sure, his case is weak, really weak, but the fact that he would pressure/prod/poke at me with an unjust case/misrepresentation is more easily done from town than scum. Scum know I'm innocent, whereas it really feels as if he doesn't know i'm innocent, or else he wouldn't be making this case on me. He'd be saying, "oh, yeah, gryf is town" or he'd be saying "I like Foolishness's post about the guy voting Annul, but I'm not going to vote him. Instead, I'm going to vote GMarshal for rolefishing" -> Easy bandwagon That is how scum play, they look for very weak reasons to hop onto town bandwagons/mislynches @LD: likely to be town Ser Aspi attempted to make a well formulated case after putting an FoS out on me. I'm not mafia, so if he was mafia, I would expect him to have done that differently. It could be WIFOM off of an associative tell, but I'm not sure if he's good enough to do that. Given that I doubt he wasn't genuine, and I like that he is attempting to create a bandwagon, I'm comfortable with him in my town category. I didn't want to just put "town", as it can be misleading. People will be moving up and down on my list as their play improves/degrades. Coagulation I do not want rid of because of his activity. He is also, if mafia, someone who would possibly incriminate his teammates on accident. I have placed him into the "i don't want them lynched" or "probably town" category because of his lightheartedness, prompt responses to all questioning, and how he answers them fully if he knows to. Kenpachi feels like what I've seen of his play as town. Was he not town as the mayor last game of TL Mafia? Perhaps I should have had him in my "leaning" category. Noone is perfect! On February 23 2011 16:29 Coagulation wrote: Im as pro town as it gets baby I wouldn't say that | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
On February 23 2011 16:52 LunarDestiny wrote: @gryffindor You are saying that Ser Aspi read you as mafia and tried to convince town and not sucessful in doing do. While I agree that mafia won't recklessly risk themselves at leading lynches, I believe that they want to form a quick bandwagon on town. But you also said Ser Aspi tried to create a bandwagon which is what mafia wants to do. That should be a scum tell instead of a defense why he is town. No, he made a well formulated case (on someone else, the person he is voting...),"after putting an F.o.S. on me" should then read as "after making a post addressing inconsistencies he had with me" This isn't what happened, either, so not only are you not brushed up on the topic in the voting thread, apparently you don't read the one with words in it either. You have moved down my list, to somewhere in between neutral and leaning. Shape it up or ship it out. | ||
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On February 23 2011 16:58 Coagulation wrote: this early in the game.. and with this level of pressure... mafia tend to wait and jump on town formed bandwagons.. i cant see mafia rising up and starting a bandwagon at this point. why are you taking a point i made and regurgitating it off as one of your own? you've just moved down my list to neutral | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + people to keep alive: gryffindor foolishness kenpachi ser aspi leaning town: LastArgument (you're thinking, WUT?, but i'll explain if questioned) MrWiggles neutral: coagulation leaning scum: lunardestiny GMarshal Lynch, Lynch, Lynch: | ||
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On February 23 2011 17:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Yeah, there's a lot of accusations flying around already that mafia can choose whichever to bandwagon. What I'd watch out for, is people who start to heavily push someone else's suspicion of a player, or who start to tunnel really hard.From my experience, this early in the game, that can indicate scum. QFT It is relative to who, though. Certain players doing that would be null | ||
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On February 23 2011 17:20 chaoser wrote: Can you explain why this is a bad idea gryff? Your previous posts on why it's bad (weird, can lead to role reversal) don't really cut it. Roles aren't being revealed and people don't have to follow the list. Isn't it just making this 30 man game into many team mini games? Also, would being in a group with a mafia help a townie or not? More interactions in a more private setting might mean more likely for mafia to fuck up Easily. It leads to the sharing of information, which the mafia need in this setup to properly use their abilities of role reversing the town into submission, as opposed to straight up kill power. If they know you are a Veteran, they can make you a PGO We don't need cells, we have claiming If you want scumhunting, do it yourself The general plan for a town in a whisper/PM setup is 1) Wait on a confirm 2) Massclaim to the confirmed 3) Profit | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
On February 23 2011 18:01 LunarDestiny wrote: Ser Aspi attempted to make a well formulated case after putting an FoS out on me. This is exactly what you said. Then you say that it isn't what happened exactly. So you put in misinformation on purpose to catch people off guard. Also you can get away with it because afterward you say that it is done on purpose. If your kind of play is classify as a pro town move, then mafia can use this excuse to slip away after getting caught. Your posts got a lot of lies in them if you keep this up. I know there are pro town lies but consistent lying will just degrade the value of your posts. You just typed 3 paragraphs about how I didn't correctly use a comma, and you are still misrepresenting what I said; learn how to read. | ||
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On February 23 2011 17:46 chaoser wrote: Except in this situation if the groups are known publicly, then a blue getting dicked over by role reversal will immediately give town two very big suspects in the form of his circle mates. There's some pitfalls in the plan obviously, but i can see it working if we play it right. It cuts down on lurking/inactivity too and that's usually a big help. Also, why am I not on your list =[ Do you have a plan for town and can you comment on foolishness' statement about now anyone asking for his opinion means they're mafia? it's hard to read you i guess i'll put you in neutral? everyone else is just a lack of a good read, so neutral sorry. I believe what you're talking about would just lead to WIFOM. Lurkers/inactives will be that way regardless of what cell they're in. I don't see how that is a valid point. | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + people to keep alive: gryffindor foolishness kenpachi ser aspi ohN leaning town: LastArgument (you're thinking, WUT?, but i'll explain if questioned) MrWiggles neutral: coagulation chaoser leaning scum: lunardestiny GMarshal Lynch, Lynch, Lynch: accidentally "edited" a post a page ago, however, I didn't change a single thing intentionally. It was a mistake, as I was just retrieving that list to update it. @ohN, reaction test | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
Mafia will bandwagon, or let town vote town. They're not going to stack votes unless it is Lylo and they absolutely have to. They'd rather sit back, and let us tear each others throats open, which we are doing by not coming to a mutual understanding that we are just not understanding each other. I didn't mean to feed you any misinformation, and I felt it was a misinterpretation... first on your part, and then on mine realizing that you sort of understood what I meant. I'm taking our argument to be town on town, due to the sheer amount of confusion I have in what you're trying to say exactly. Do you agree with me that our arguing could have simply been a misunderstanding? | ||
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On February 23 2011 23:13 GMarshal wrote: If you want feel free to RNG the groups, I just made it so each group had at least one veteran player so that new players could get good feedback, if you want you could slide one of the columns up or down a random number to change the groups around also I have issues with this post of your gryffindor, 1 it looks suspiciously like the plan that ended up with town getting raped in salem, 2 what benfit do you get from a mass claim when the DTs can be easily fooled? All the other roles don't require any kind of exposure as Vigi and Hatters can use their own discretion and medics should have clear cut choices. What does mass claiming to a "confirmed" (you still haven't set out a mechanism to confirm a townie) do for them other than expose them to getting hit by mafia? Also I agree that if you want scumhunting you should do it yourself, but like many other things it benefits from peer review, again this is partially to stimulate activity as in PM games newer players often feel left out of the backstage conversations and post less for that reason, its extremely frustrating in that situation. Also assuming the setup is 5-7 mafia they still have 3-4 kill points which is average for a 30 person game, this means that they don't need to use their role reversing powers successfully to win, they just need to slaughter the town, if they can do that by using role reversal then it will be faster, but ultimately they don't have to. TBH I think you are town, I just think your plan would cost us the game if we were to follow it Actually, I disagree with you COMPLETELY, which is why i'm not only keeping you as my top scumread, but keeping my vote on you as well. The level of bullshit that you are trying to pervade into people's minds is astonishing. You, in a PM setup, are against claiming to people who are confirmed? How anti-town can you get? You then go onto say that I haven't provided any ways of confirmation, when we have Detectives, Vigilantes, and Medics. Detective checks we will have to take with a grain of salt, considering kill power vs lawyering/framing, but we will be able to judge that BASED on that kill power in and of itself, the vigilantes should be calling shots tomorrow on D2 for the 2nd night, earning medic protecting, and the medics should be able to whisper their saved players... all of these things can confirm people... problem? What does "being left out" of the PM game and its frustration have anything to do with scumhunting, or lack thereof? I'm not following your train of thought here. They won't have over 6 mafia, and they won't have over 3kp. There is no way it won't have 6, with 2-3KP. That's how it will be, or else it won't be balanced. I'd also ask you to completely abandon any idea you have for "creating cells" when it is d1 in a large game in which we will get confirmed townies. On February 23 2011 23:25 kitaman27 wrote: PMs are a town weapon. The fact that multiple people are discouraging their use is concerning. Town should be able to extract information from mafia, not the other way around. You force the scum to give an opinion when you directly contact them 1:1. People complain that mafia have too much influence through PMs. How about you use that against them and identify the motives behind what they are saying instead? I don't like the idea of being told which two people I should talk to, but I certainly wouldn't advocate keeping all discussion in the thread. I take it you didn't read my strategic post On February 23 2011 17:26 gryffindor wrote: The general plan for a town in a whisper/PM setup is 1) Wait on a confirm 2) Massclaim to the confirmed 3) Profit This is how you play The amount of misinterpretation/not seeing the whole picture/poor play (at the least) here is really startling me I also find the "PMing about spam" to be offensive. If someone has a problem with spam, please step forward and address the town. If nothing new was being brought to the table, or arguments panned out, I would understand, but we are coordinating what to do as a town. Basically, I would like to formally complain about the people complaining about the activity - If you can't handle the game, replace out in my opinion. You signed up for a mafia game, didn't you? Thanks! | ||
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United States524 Posts
From my interpretation, they use KP nightly. Address RoL here if you need it to be addressed, publicly, asking him in the thread - I've pestered him enough. I love discussing the possible setups with you, but it is really giving you an easy way out of actually scumhunting, so lets direct the power roles less and actually try to scumhunt, ok? I'm also taking a break from posting | ||
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United States524 Posts
On February 24 2011 06:29 annul wrote: also hi. am out of class now why arent we killing chaoser or GM? im gonna go ##vote chaoser now myself. Annul is teamed with gmarshal. When mafia fos someone d1 and vote someone else they are teamed with their fos. On my phone, will catch up more later. This is a huge slip for d1 though, two scum caught possibly. | ||
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On February 24 2011 10:22 icemac wrote: Also, I just want to say that these cell things is either big balls move by mafia or the workings of bad play. Agree. Vote gmarshal with me, he is the one who had the.idea | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
On February 24 2011 10:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Quoting so it doesn't get buried. What do people think of this? I find it very interesting for sure. Would any more experienced player like to point out if this is a slip, or if gryf is misleading town? Go to mafiascum Type in common tells in the wipi search Go to mafia tells Go to the d1 section Congratulate me, and realize I'm pro | ||
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