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On February 02 2011 19:02 Barundar wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 02 2011 18:50 CubEdIn wrote: Ok, NEWBIES, time for Cube to post.
Let's start by assuming Kav is not mafia (could be sk, but not mafia). If he is mafia then the whole census thing is screwed and we can just roll the dice when killing people. So let's remove that variable for now.
I freaking -TOLD YOU- that Nemesis was not scum. It was impossible, but you guys would not listen. That post he made when it was past lynch time in day 2 was super-town. But you bastards decided to kill him anyway. I am raging.
Now, about the bumatlarge situation, it's really FKING simple. (also wtf Kav @ saying we should lynch possible DT? you bonkers?) Here are the options:
1) bumatlarge is SCUM Let's start with this one because it's most fun. Why would scum push for someone to get lynched instead of using KPs on him? Well let's see, maybe they tried to hit him or role-block him and it didn't work. Not sure if they would get notified by this, but either way, that's the only possible reason. Which would mean that LD is indeed SK, and Mafia found him. We should KILL the SK as it clearly didn't help the town thus far, and if we let him live he will most likely get revenge on whoever he is pissed at *cough* bum *cough*. Please see PYP mafia that just ended where town kept presumed SK alive, see how good that did us. Now, in order to check bum, we only need one DT to check bumatlarge and Beneather. If they flip DT/vanilla, then we are a-ok!, if not, then we have cought TWO mafias at once. AND the SK. This is like, awesomest scenario ever.
2. bumatlarge is DT Then he is right about SK. He will help the town further on.
There is no reasonable scenario where LD is not SK. Really. It's a really dumb move my mafia to stick out their head like that if Lunar is just a townie they want dead. We will find out instantly during the night when the KP doesn't drop. Plus, nobody has claimed RB yet, that can mean that: a) mafia didn't use it to make lunar seem even more like an SK b) mafia used it on lunar and he's not claiming because it would prove he is SK c) mafia used it on someone else who's being a newb and not claiming.
Also, if any of the other DTs found stuff that is contradicting what bumatlarge is saying, say something. We'll have 2 mafias to lynch because of that, and you can get protection, assuming that you can prove your posts. Think well before claiming though. Do so only if it helps the town. So, let's draw the line and think of options:
1. We lynch LunarD: KP drops by one, we check for scum, and possibly have two more in the future 2. We lynch bumatlarge: SK is still alive, and we lose one DT. That's just DANDY. We hope that SK has more success in killing reds, even though statistically, he will do more bad than good until the number of town/mafia get to the same values.
And we obviously have to kill one of these two tonight, so don't go off bandwagoning on some dumb wild goose chase.
Rofl at delayed rage. Didn't feel like that yesterday? Where is that analysis you promised me? What do you mean? We only knew that he is not red when Kav posted census results. I tried to get him off the lynch several times but nobody cared.
As for my analysis, do you really want me to post that now, when we have a clear pick between two people? It was directed at GMarshall and it was about how I think it's 80% sure he is SK or red. Now I got my foot stuck in my mouth, but i'll still post it after we get rid of Lunar and see if he was indeed SK.
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Right, I'm lying. Because I didn't try to stop Nemesis lynch back from the first time he was on the line. I didn't need any posts, but the rest of you obviously did. That night post was not nearly as "absolving" as HIS post was. And nobody cared.
Besides, the night post was picking at Steelers, which was tied to Jackal58 not Nemesis. Are you trying to distract town from the problem at hand?
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On February 02 2011 22:57 Eti307 wrote: Brownbear seems to be really pushing for us to lynch LD... that's kinda suspicious to me.
If LD is indeed SK then he's a threat to mafia as well. He might decide to help town and hit the people with the most links to clues in night posts (and Brownbear can be linked to some)
Just a tought
Oh God, we did this in PYP mafia and it blew.
Look, nobody is saying that bumatlarge is not scum. He PROBABLY is. But they FED us a SK. And bum's claim can easily be verified. If he is scum we have SK + 2 scum targets. I don't see how that's a bad thing.
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On February 03 2011 01:58 darmousseh wrote: At the same time why the heck would they role block a bodyguard unless they were planning on hitting the mayor?
As far as I know, roleblocking BG doesn't mean he stops protecting the mayor. But, if BG is blue (like VIG) you can roleblock him and he can't use his power.
Also, you don't have to be blue to be targeted by RB. Mafia can't know who is who, and you get informed either way, right?
Now I don't know what to say about letting SK live. If the town is ok with it, I'll play along, but did he even admit he is SK?
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@ GMarshal: Nobody is worth more than a DT to the town. In fact, it's pretty much worth lynching LD just to get two reds, in the event Beneather + bum are scum, not to mention that LD is 90% SK no matter what bum's alignment is. Also, not to pick on Lunar, but why is he so valuable? Did he lead us to a mafia? Did he reveal things that nobody else could? As far as I can tell, he voted for both Nemesis and RoL, which, if you trust Kav (and you post like you do), were not red. I'm not saying he is a bad player, I think he's good actually, but you are suggesting that we kill a possible DT and keep an almost certain SK alive? How is that good for the town?
@BrownBear: I agree with most of what you said except for this:
1: Lynch LD 2: Kav checks number of SKs 3: Based on that info we lynch or don't lynch bum and beneather.
Why check the number of SKs? I get the logic of it, since we're not lynching Mafia, census for red will stay @ 5, but we should easily be able to identify if SK died based on kill power alone, during the night, no? Wouldn't it be better to check number of DTs or something? Maybe it flips 0 and then we're sure bum is scum.
The reason I'm saying this is because I believe that LD is SK, but I don't trust bum is blue. So SK number will probably return 0, but that won't give us information on bum and beneather.
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On February 03 2011 05:31 GMarshal wrote: I disagree with you I think more KP in the hands of the town are always a good thing (that's why we like having vigis),(this assumes town has good analysis, which given our track record, is a poor assumption) although your point about giving us more time is very valid. I think that just going to be a point of disagreement between us, for now I'll agree that killing LD is the best course of action, its not like he is going to flip for us anyway, we might as well hang the almost certain SK.
We should still discuss what we are going to do about bum, and how to check his claim.
That would be true, if you had good reason to believe town is great at hunting scum. Instead, where are we now? 12 green/blue + 5 mafia + 1 sk?
If we drop KP, we will have 2 deaths per night, TOPS. If we don't, then we'll have 3 deaths per night. Let's take the best possible scenario for your reasoning, and beneather+bum are both scum. We lynch one of them tonight, sk kills the other during the night, we'll have: 11 green/blue (1 died to mafia) + 3 mafia + 1 sk.
From this point on, SK is far more likely to kill town then he is to kill mafia, because, let's face it, these two hits have been handed on a platter if they're scum. So we'll have 2kp, one of which we sort-of control, and then get to one point where we have to waste one kp to get rid of the other kp.
On the other hand, if we get rid of SK now, and check on bum during the night, we can still get rid of all three of them with use of Vig+next lynch, and we'll get to: 10 town + 5 + 0 tonight => 10 town + 3 mafia (1 lynched, 1vig shot) + 0 before next night.
Which of these would you like?
11+3+1 or 10+3+0
Which looks better for the town for you?
Of course, this is based on a lot of presumption, and I'm not even considering the fact that bum could not be scum, in which case town has a DT as well.
Blah. I'm tired of explaining this, so I won't talk much tomorrow (as I got school stuff to do as well). I still believe LunarD is best lynch for town. If people decide to trust him, then we'll see what happens.
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IMO there's no good reason for anyone to hide being hit. The only people who have a reason to keep quiet when hit are SKs, and the KPs do not justify more than one SK. Which, by now, it's clear that it was Lunar.
Why I didn't bring up Insane? Well, first of all, PYP was like... last week, two weeks ago? Insane was what, October? I don't remember much part from me suspecting L and Ace, and Pandain winning in the end. If L did something similar, then he must've done it after I died, as I don't recall him being a 3rd party. I dunno.
As for bum's analysis, I'll get to it later on, or during the night. I just can't right now, I have a final exam tomorrow morning, and after that I'll be somewhat free.
Either way, I did skim through it, and I believe that the reason he's pushing me is because I kept saying he's most likely scum in my crusade to get the SK lynched. I still believe that, by the way, the only difference between him and SK is that he can easily get checked out during this night (by census, DTs, etc.).
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SK cannot be role-blocked.
And if you were RB last night, it only means that bum & beneather are scum, and that's how they figured out LD was SK.
That makes it easier. Lynch LD tonight, vets, kill bum & beneather.
EZ PZ.
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On February 04 2011 06:59 Coagulation wrote: wait wait wait.
hold on. this could be purely speculation still. Lunardestiny could be capitalizing on a chance to avoid getting lynched today by just telling us this because it will get his ass off the line.
Think about it. What reason does LD HAVE to DENY that he was roleblocked. OF Course hes gonna say he was roleblocked to get off the block. Whether he was or not.
Hm, I guess that's true.
But what are the odds of Beneather (who's been targeted by the town, and who bumatlarge "confirmed") getting Role-Blocked on the same night that SK got revealed? Slim.
I don't see why this should change anything though. KILL THEM ALL!
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Wait what the heck just happened?
I thought we were lynching LunarD regardless of whether or not bumatlarge was scum, that was the whole freaking point of my mile-long posts explaining the maths behind this.
So we went from lynching 2 mafia and sk, and leaving the reds with 1kp, to lynching only the mafia and leaving the anti-town with 2kps? And you guys think that's an awesome idea?
Oh, and because I went to sleep and didn't change my vote like you did, I'm scum now, according to LD? That's fking rich. Even though I constantly pushed the idea of bum being scum and nemesis not being scum, I'm red!
Yes, LunarD, I still want you dead. Deal with it.
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On February 04 2011 11:21 LSB wrote: Modkill SiNiquity too!
Is SiN dead or not? It says he will be modkilled in the voting thread.
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On February 04 2011 07:59 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 07:55 LunarDestiny wrote: LunarDestiny (8) bumatlarge Kenpachi Divinek Brownbear CubEdIn Eti307 Beneather Barundar How sure are you about cubed? In mini mafia he was playing ridiculously scummy but ended up being town.
Ridiculously scummy? Are you fking kidding me? All I did was find clues that pointed to Dr.H, and tried to defend myself from the clues that were so "smartly" tied to me:
"Uhhh.. Raiden is god of thunder so uhh... this picture has snow in it so... uhhh... I guess that snow, is sorta-like-an-element, and thunder is... also an element (?!?) so, steps in snow can easily point to Raiden!" "Town: Yeah that's brilliant. LYNCH!"
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I'm not "attacking" you. I just don't see how is it in town's best interest to "double-lynch" when mafia KP will be 1 and there's like 10-3-1 scenario.
Statistically speaking, we are far more likely to be taking down town. And even if we don't, I dread the day when town will have to waste both kps (vote to lynch SK), because that will be an awesome day for the remaining mafia.
But if town trusts their scum-finding skills (which I wouldn't, based on what happened so far), then by all means, we'll keep you alive and you can go around whacking reds.
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On February 04 2011 17:04 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 16:45 CubEdIn wrote:On February 04 2011 07:59 darmousseh wrote:On February 04 2011 07:55 LunarDestiny wrote: LunarDestiny (8) bumatlarge Kenpachi Divinek Brownbear CubEdIn Eti307 Beneather Barundar How sure are you about cubed? In mini mafia he was playing ridiculously scummy but ended up being town. Ridiculously scummy? Are you fking kidding me? All I did was find clues that pointed to Dr.H, and tried to defend myself from the clues that were so "smartly" tied to me: "Uhhh.. Raiden is god of thunder so uhh... this picture has snow in it so... uhhh... I guess that snow, is sorta-like-an-element, and thunder is... also an element (?!?) so, steps in snow can easily point to Raiden!" "Town: Yeah that's brilliant. LYNCH!" That was not the evidence I came up with.
Well, whatever evidence you came up with, turned out to be incorrect. No? >: P
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On February 04 2011 17:48 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2011 17:08 CubEdIn wrote:On February 04 2011 17:04 darmousseh wrote:On February 04 2011 16:45 CubEdIn wrote:On February 04 2011 07:59 darmousseh wrote:On February 04 2011 07:55 LunarDestiny wrote: LunarDestiny (8) bumatlarge Kenpachi Divinek Brownbear CubEdIn Eti307 Beneather Barundar How sure are you about cubed? In mini mafia he was playing ridiculously scummy but ended up being town. Ridiculously scummy? Are you fking kidding me? All I did was find clues that pointed to Dr.H, and tried to defend myself from the clues that were so "smartly" tied to me: "Uhhh.. Raiden is god of thunder so uhh... this picture has snow in it so... uhhh... I guess that snow, is sorta-like-an-element, and thunder is... also an element (?!?) so, steps in snow can easily point to Raiden!" "Town: Yeah that's brilliant. LYNCH!" That was not the evidence I came up with. Well, whatever evidence you came up with, turned out to be incorrect. No? >: P Yes the evidence was wrong, but my analysis of your play wasn't. You play town incorrectly in order to give yourself an advantage since no one can analyze the difference between your mafia and town since you are overly aggressive. If you had simply said "Well yeah, but I think there is better evidence elsewhere" then I might not have spent as much time analyzing you and spent more time on clues to find the right mafia. The fact that you acted so overly aggressive made me think that even though the clues weren't as good as they should be, your play was terrible and you made everyone turn against you. I feel sorry for mafia if you are mafia since you constantly make yourself a prime target and bad for the rest of us who are trying to play the game in order to win and not play to improve your own "meta-game". You've been a lot quieter in this game up until this point which makes me suspect you are mafia.
Actually, no. I've been just as aggressive this game when people have placed blame on me for silly reasons. In the other game, I was accused of "forging" clues, when the clues I picked as to be aiming at Dr.H were far more reasonable than the ones you guys picked as pointing on me. But I guess that it's easy to just bandwagon someone you're not sure of and go "oh... he's too aggressive, it's as if he doesn't want to die!", then to actually think and take all things into consideration (like how I didn't vote in Day 1 and risked being lynched, people don't do that if they get mafia, because the game is more interesting).
But I digress. Point is, so far, your analysis on me was flat out wrong. As it is during this game as well. You suspect I am mafia because I'm being quiet, but you're downright dismissing the facts that - i tried to stop town from lynching nemesis, and I was the only one to do so - i figured out that the most likely option is that LD is SK and bum+beneather are scum since he posted the "DT check"
Go see HP mafia to see how I handle myself as scum. Or don't.
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On February 04 2011 20:22 Barundar wrote: For tonights actions, please protect GMarshal. We need Kav alive.
In case I'm dead tomorrow, I think the remaining 2 mafia can be found by analysing who pushed the Lunar lynch.
I also pushed the Lunar lynch. I still am. But I did so by saying that EVEN THOUGH bum+beneather are probably scum, we should still get rid of ALL THREE OF THEM. And it was pretty easy to see if bum/beneather was scum with a simple dt check on either (or both, worst case scenario).
And just in case you're not realizing this, the only way for LunarD to win is to knock over townies, not mafia. If both him and the town miss lynches/shots, you might get to a situation like 5-3-1, where town will be forced to pick between lynching SK or killing off two people and risk getting to 3-3-1, in which case SK can start offing mafia.
I'm just saying, I don't see why a town SK would help the town eliminate all the mafia and then sacrifice himself. It's a sure loss, and it's pretty much against the "spirit of the game", meaning, he's not playing to win. At least that's what I would do if I were sk, kill beneather tonight, then try to kill as many townies as I can without looking conspicuous.
But obviously you guys know better.
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Kav, I understand that perfectly well.
But to say that I'm scum because I didn't change my vote, even though I said I'll be going to sleep due to schoolwork, is kind of a stretch. And I'm not talking about you, but at least two people accused me of that.
Meh. Anyway.
If mods dismiss LD these would be like.. the best 24 hours that town had in this game by far.
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Ahahahahaha.
DON'T DO IT LUNAR, THERE'S MORE TO LIFE THAN SHOOTING PEOPLE!
Can you consider becoming a shaolin monk?!
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On February 05 2011 13:20 Kenpachi wrote: wait a second, is it possible for LD to be a mafia acting as SK?
Yeah mean, here's what happened: Mafia decided... hey... it's been a lot of time and we're still 5 people, why don't we do this: Bum: I'll claim DT, and claim that LD is SK, and then claim Beneather is Vanilla. LD: YEAH! that sounds awesome, maybe the mods will make it so I manage do /dodge lynch and maybe the town will keep me alive forever, even though I'll never be able to prove I have an extra KP. Beneather: LOL that's fine with me I'm BG I can't die ever for I am BG.
Chorus: That way, all three of us will be in epic sh*t! That'll make the game more interesting! /dance
On February 05 2011 13:26 Jackal58 wrote:But one of our scum is. Indiana Jones. In a cave. With bats. Proclaiming we are all going to die.
Mebbe prove it!
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On February 05 2011 22:19 Jackal58 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 05 2011 18:25 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 13:20 Kenpachi wrote: wait a second, is it possible for LD to be a mafia acting as SK? Yeah mean, here's what happened: Mafia decided... hey... it's been a lot of time and we're still 5 people, why don't we do this: Bum: I'll claim DT, and claim that LD is SK, and then claim Beneather is Vanilla. LD: YEAH! that sounds awesome, maybe the mods will make it so I manage do /dodge lynch and maybe the town will keep me alive forever, even though I'll never be able to prove I have an extra KP. Beneather: LOL that's fine with me I'm BG I can't die ever for I am BG. Chorus: That way, all three of us will be in epic sh*t! That'll make the game more interesting! /dance Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 13:26 Jackal58 wrote:On February 05 2011 12:59 Kenpachi wrote: no im not romanian But one of our scum is. Indiana Jones. In a cave. With bats. Proclaiming we are all going to die. Mebbe prove it! Working on it. + Show Spoiler +On January 24 2011 11:01 Node wrote: Day 1 It was just a movie scene, just something from a scary film. A bad dream. This couldn’t be happening. I should explain. I thought this pointed at Mr Zergling. But it doesn't really does it? It points at your movie scene. And you are explaining that "We're all going to die". + Show Spoiler +On February 02 2011 11:25 LSB wrote:Day 4 One place that I refuse to go. It is the caves. Those lightless caverns. I’ve tried avoiding it. So does this. The scene in your profile is from the Temple of Doom. Indy is trying to persuade whatever the chicks name is to enter the cave to throw the lever and save them.
Yeah that's nice and all, but if you'd pay a bit more attention to the last few pages you'd realize that the 1st person narrative in the clues so far have been about the SK. It was the SK that killed deconduo and the aldo. Unless you mean that the SK had a clue that was referring to me somehow... o_O
As for the first night, I guess that kinda makes sense, if you consider Indiana Jones to be a scary film. It is a tad of a stretch though
But heck, I've been hanged for less. *cough* mini mafia *cough*
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On February 05 2011 21:35 Barundar wrote: Any objections to kill lunar today? It will lower the kp we face, and the alternative is we lynch a mafia, leaving lunar to hit town, since hitting the last mafia would end the game.
Also, no, we shouldn't kill lunar today. LSB clearly stated that Lunar can commit suicide. Lunar said he wanted to "retire".
So technically, there's no reason to waste a lynch if Lunar just offs himself. I guess it's still a sort-of a risk, if he decides to kill someone for the lulz, but even in that case, he might hit a red, and we can lynch him afterwards.
Worst case scenario, we just lose a townie.
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